In addition to have male, female, female to male and male to female we've also new gender labels like gender fluid, bi-gender, demi-gender (demi-boy, demi-girl, demi-X), agender (No gender), pangender, gender queer etc. None-binaries are all none-traditional genders. Often these people also have sexuality other than straight, gay and bisexual too.
I'm wondering what your opinion on it is, if pupils in school should be taught about it and if it's too confusing. Is it confusing for children too, or only the older generation? #Transgender#NoneBinary#Genders If you're curious about these gender identities, it do exist an own gender wiki.
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My opinion: People should be allowed to do what they likes to and it's their freedom. But I finds all these labels confusing and I think it can confuse children and teenagers too who's trying to find their own identity. More than 10 genders makes a lot of confusion.
Do you think the transgender movement have gone too far?
Yes it has gone to far. First and foremost the fact that we know with absolute certainty that their are only two genders, not once has any scientific research shown that their is any thing more or less then two genders. Two, transgenderism while existing (according to research they found neurological differences in the brains of non transitioned transgendered people that match the gender they identified with) is exceedingly rare making up less then 1% of the population. So forcing this on children who have not yet matured and thus have no real notion of what gender truly means at that point (as they have not hit puberty where most of the changes start occurring) it is going to be incredibly confusing and serves absolutely no purpose. Its like discussing polio in depth with them, they are more then likely never going to meet a person with it and it will have no baring on their life in any way so why waste the time? This is in fact worse as your adding confusion to the issue by implying that gender is fluid when it is not, by trying to force them to function differently then what they are biologically predisposed towards thus increasing their unhappiness. If when they have gone through puberty and they have had significant counciling done to show that they are in fact transgender then fine they and their parents can research it and discuss it and decide what they need to do, but before that point your putting added stress, confusion and problems on a child that doesn't need it and isn't prepared for it. You might as well force a child in kindergarten to decide what their future occupation will be, its simply not something they should be dealing with at that time. In many cases we can safely show that transgenderism, when found in children that young is being forced on them by their parent because again, they don't even know what it means to be a person let alone one gender or the other.
@JenSCDC Did I at any point claim that transgenderism isn't real? No, no I did not. So what is with the link? Because I said that a child who can barely speak should not make decisions that will adversely affect their life? Your aware that about 20% of those who transition regret the decision? So again, screwing with a childs life by expecting them to make life altering decisions when we don't even allow them to make decisions on when they should go to bed or what they can and cannot eat is absurd. Again, if after much counciling and seeing a professional it is deemed an appropriate response and the person in question is old enough to make decisions on their life (I personaly would say about 15 to 16 years of age would be about old enough to make those kinds of decisions) then that is fine, but before that point its absurd and again, its a rare condition that does not need to be shoved down every child's throat just because PC culture demands it.
@JenSCDC I'm sure your source isn't bias either, though my source has multiple links to multiple studies by multiple people so it wouldn't even matter as the other sources check out. Also, again, I have not once claimed that transgenderism isn't real, in fact I outright stated that their is a clear difference in brain structures, what I stated was having a child make that decisions when we don't trust them to make any other decision is wrong, studies show that most grow out of their "dysphoria" and in many cases the so called "dysphoria" isn't even real, its forced on them by parents. Its horribly damaging to do that to some one (their is a reason why so many serial killers where dressed as girls and treated as girls by their mothers). All I'm saying is lets wait until they can have the capacity to at least grasp the consequences of life changing and potentially life ending procedures. When a simple thing like that illicits such a response, you know your dealing with a zealot.
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i feel like in 10 years will look back on this as a bit of a confusing time. personally am tolerant of whatever a person wants to be for the most part. i don't understand a lot of the labels thrown around and i don't have to.
to say it's gone too far would only be true if people were being hurt (disenfranchised, oppressed, etc)... i imagine people said the same thing in the 60s and 70s when homosexuality, bisexuality, etc came more into the public consciousness and looking back we wouldn't say it went to far it just was something we weren't accustomed to wrapping our heads around
I love the transgender and freedom of expression movement. I wish this would have happened a long time ago. There have been suicides and lifetime pain associated with people not understanding. I feel like this movement happened way to late and should have been much earlier. I am a straight. With a heart for the transsexual and drag communities. I feel I relate with them the best. Yes, all of the labels are confusing so why don't we just call everyone human with different sexual desires and interest. I have family members that are bisexual. The heart wants what it does. No one should be shamed for being normal. Society put people down for to long and called them names, beat them, exorcised and "prayed" for them, outcaste them, and made them monsters or "dirty". For what? It was cruel and unfair. All people deserve love, faithfulness, truth, sincerity, and equality. No matter what the "gender" or "sexual orientation"
... just because I am straight and prefer men. Does not make someone who is gay and also prefers the same sex wrong. It's about time we have a movement and no I don't think it's gone to far. Can be annoying at times. Like anyone you give and inch and there is a mile taken. It's human nature. But, the short answer is nope. I think it's a beautiful things to be free.
I'm aware to some this is offensive, but transgender is a mental issue. You're born the way you are for a reason, no mutilations will change that. Chopping off your dick/doing god know's what to your vagina does not change your chemical makeup. Every cell in your body is filled with your chromosomes, XX, Xy, and you cannot change that. Wrecking your body and then getting pissed that someone doesn't accept your pronouns or doesn't want you sharing a bathroom with them bc you're just a botched M/F is selfish and wrong. SORRY NOT SORRY
@HungLikeAHorsefly I just discussed my issued with transgenders at the core, from there you can infer my response/feelings towards the infographic and answer to the quesiton
Had you understood the infographic, or the transgender community at all, you'd be aware that it isn't about one's chemical makeup and nobody thinks it is. That's why we differentiate between the concepts of "gender" and "biological sex".
Let me drive this point home a little more: biology - the science of chromosomes and chemical makeup and all that stuff folks like yourself enjoy talking about - is the science that defines what a human male and human female are. It is not the science that defines what a man and a woman is - that'd be psychology and sociology. So a biological or genetic based argument on this subject is moot.
It has become the trendy in-thing to be a new gender. I am a "Lolly lickin' loli that likes dick, especially when eating pizza and drinking a glass of gin and tonic!" There! That is a new one!
Of course it has gone too far! What does it matter to anyone else what YOU label YOURSELF as? It is personal and private. Do not like being male or female gender? Tough. You look male or female. The rest is irrelevant to anyone else!
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Come on, down voter! Tell me what you think! How are YOU going to communicate to me what you relate to? If you look like a guy, I will call you a guy. For any other label, please wear a fucking big sign roung your neck! "I am a gender fluid demi girl, but only when there is a "Z" in the month"!
I actually happen to agree with you here. I remember a couple of years back when things were just coming out into the open. Seemed everyone I met was pansexual and genderfluid, and I can tell the difference between real ones and fake ones.
So yes, it's cool to be a pansexual genderfluid person these days.
I just don't understand why people get riled up over this. Somebody wants to call themselves "gender-fluid" because that's how they feel? Good for them. I have no problem with that, it doesn't concern me. I might not understand why "gender fluid" means but that's completely irrelevant because it's none of my business anyway. It's kinda like when conservatives get angry over people being gay. Like, why do you even care? It has nothing to do with you.
I think it's ironic that some right-wingers claim they don't care about gay or transgender people but they spend about 2 hours a day screaming and swearing about them. Personally, I never even think about this issue, unless I come across a question like this on GaG.
Hopefully it will die down in a few years. I certainly don't think it should be taught in school beyond maybe psychology when discussing mental illness.
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Though I would, as curtesy to them, call them as whatever pronoun, I personally don't think transgender is a thing or logical.
Like for one, an argument/explanation trans activists give for transness is what I'll call the "wrong brain theory". This is the idea that a normal person with normal male/female or x-y/x-x chromosome pairs, who is not intersex, can have organs of the opposite sex. This claim is scientifically impossible and illogical because in order for one to be born with the "wrong" sex-determined organ, their chromosomes, responsible for sex organ development, would have to not be "normal" or would have to deviate from the norm, as it does in intersex individuals
Secondly, another explanation they give for transness is that without the "wrong brain theory" someone who feels they are a certain sex they were not born as is that sex their gender dysphoria makes them think they are. Now this argument is metaphysical and that's a simple reason why this argument is unscientific/has no rigid measurable or reproducible scientific basis and shouldn't be forced on anyone. No one should be coerced into living according to any particular individual's or group's metaphysical beliefs, such as the trans ideology. But since they force these metaphysical and scientifically unmeasurable beliefs on everyone, they have gone to far, in my opinion
I'm not a fan of all this nonsense to do with "gender identity"... As far as i'm concerned, it's just people looking to be unique as possible and not fitting into stereotypes. Calling yourself a demi-queer-pangender asexual girl doesn't make you any more special than anyone else, it just makes you look like an attention seeker who's trying too hard.
If this madness continues, soon our genders will sound a little too much like a basic white girls Starbucks order 😂
I think that they should teach children that these sort of people do exist, but I do not think that schools should teach that being trans or identifying as another gender is a good thing.
I think anything that people feel is being pushed on them they aren’t going to like. This is all so new and just became acceptable. People feel inconvenienced by them because a lot of people think they are asking for special treatment and maybe battling the persons way of thinking. Like the whole bathroom thing. I think people are ok with you using whichever bathroom you want as long as you look like that gender and once you don’t it confuses people. I think people are putting religion and the lgbt in the same category of “do what you want but don’t shove down my throat.”
Also a lot of people are called homophobic or transphobic if the disagree with them on anything which is annoying personally. I was called transphobic because I wouldn’t date trans people and fetishizing because I like penis and don’t focus on dating just anyone for love regardless of genitals. I mean I don’t care but you can see how it all can be annoying. I personally think that being trans is ok but being a trans woman/man and being a cis woman/man are too different things.
Personal expression and personality are not part of your gender. And just because "gender wiki" says something else does not make it true. Not saying that is what you are saying it's just something I'm pointing out.
There are two genders, two genders that people can transition to. Though that is not the answer to making those people happy.
The whole transgender thing has gone WAAAAYYYYY too far. In reality it's an issue that affects a very small minority, however people are treating it as if it affects 99.99% of people.
You've got loads of trendy leftie students (bloody students...) protesting about treating these 'transgender' people. A teacher in the UK got suspended over calling a couple of female students girls. Seriously. THEY BLOODY ARE GIRLS!!!
The whole thing just makes me want to scream. They even think that people who (quite correctly) believe that there are two genders, and not 437, are 'transphobic'.
I'm sorry, but transphobia is a fear of vans/other light commercial vehicles. It comes from 'phobia', meaning fear and 'trans', meaning transit van.
I personally don't like how gender is a thing. The problem with it is that people are trying really hard to fit into a category of a type of gender. We live in a society were you can't really do "feminine" actions or have feminine mannerisms, without being categorized as a female. One of the best examples of being at peace with your gender and sex is probably a "tomboy" someone who dresses in guy cloths, and does heavy lifting and things that are usually categorized as Masculine actions, yet they never claim to be male. They are just females doing whatever they want, and that what I feel everyone should just accept.
However society isn't kind to people with this sort of identity, so them transitioning is probably the best with the society we have now.
in my opinion there are 2 genders, male and female. then there are people who have genderdysforia which is a disorder that prevents you from identifying with the gender you are born with. to help people identify with themselves and their body, they often transition into the other gender. these changes involving change once hormone balance, removing or adding breasts and change the genitalia to represent the other genders. these changes make a person completely sterile.
I do agree that all these extra genders are completely rubbish, but transgenderism is not. in my opinion we shouldn't teach children these things till they are at least 14.
Yes, I think it's absolutely nuts and the nuts are winning. Like a lot of movements, they target the children. And these ideologues have succeeded in getting their warped world view into the schools in many cases. So you've got a lot of what would otherwise be normal, healthy, well-adjusted children having their psycho-social development messed up by this fruitcake ideology.
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I did write a big ass paragraph. But I thought it was too long and got off point many times.
Long story short, yes, it has gone too far.
People only care about what you are, what you do and what you identify as... when you shove it in their face.
Example: "Oh my god, did you just assume my gender?" (Not everyone does this I understand that, just a stereotypical example)
To be offended by someone who assumes that everyone is a standard human being of "You are male, therefore you are male, and you like boobs." or vice versa with female, is just not worth stressing themselves out over. You can't be offended by someone assuming what is perfectly... well, normal.
Now for any of you who may get annoyed by my opinion... I don't care what you have to say if you wish to argue with me. And the reason I remain anon is because I don't want the triggered people to message me and get all !!! with me.
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Also didn't read the description until now... the way the world is going. It should be taught in schools yes. Because like it or not, this IS the normal now, and the more people ignore that fact. The more these people of none standard genders and sexualities are going to feel supressed.
Either pay no mind to it or treat it as normal. Best way to deal with any problem relating to what people are.
Anything that spreads awareness and kills ignorance is welcome in my opinion. Acknowledging transgender people as real people and trying to understand them is not “too far”. I think it will also mediate some of the hate crimes transgender people experience (trans women in particular). These concepts of identity, expression, sex and attraction are intuitive
The whole point of the Transgender movement in my opinion (I dont know what their views are really since I was never interested) is that gender are more complicated than simply "Man" and "Woman". It is not they that are pushing to strictly categorize everything into neat little boxes but to express that it is individualistic. It is only "Going too far" because you can't let go of old stereotypes and clearly defined genders. It is far easier to just let people be people.
Those labels have nothing to do with the transgender movement. Transgenderism is the belief that you are the opposite gender and want to transition to that gender in order to feel right in your own skin. These other labels were made up by people who are not transgender, but either wanted to feel special and different, or really have some other kind of body dysmorphic disorder.
EVERYTHING is going to far. It's confusing young children and their force feeding down your throats. Yet complain how 'religion' is the one that's doing it. This is a sick world we are living in.
I don't care what they want to sell people. THEY'RE ALL CRAZY. Only an idiot and naive people would believe anything they tell you and you want to know why you have problems in your life. This is a psychological issue besides a spiritual issue. People who have anchestors who messed with witchcraft, eastern stars, astrology [horocopes], etc ended up with those unclean spirits and cursed the future generations with that, besides mental disease. God does not make mistakes. We do. Whether I chose to have sex or not, I know he made me a female and a female belongs with a MAN. How the heck is a child going to tell you what they are when they can bearly navigate the world and the things within it, unless they were born with such knowledge or an adult told them before they got access to any form or media to learn it. ridiculous. Even most children knows something isn't right in the brain with people who actually believes in this nonsense.
I do not believe it has gone too far at all. Its just people giving a name for how they feel.
However I do believe that if there was never forced gender roles in the first place and the only differences between men and women were just their bodies (Instead of the belief that boys can't like this, only girls can, and vice versa) then there wouldn't even be any of this in the first place.
Not a good point. Gender is not forced. There are certain roles that have been pushed like men have to be macho and aggressive or women have to stay at home and cook but this is not attributes of one gender.
Men and women think differently and use different parts of the brain to find solutions. This is something we've known for years. Gender roles society has created are bad, gender itself is not. Being a male and having "feminine" interests does not change your gender.
@SirRexington Society has pushed it so far it has been forced. If a boy picks up a doll, people yell "GAY". If a boy wants to wear a dress, people make fun of him. Society has pushed this so far that if you like something the opposite gender likes, you must not be a true member of your own sex. Women were forced to stay at home (if they worked they were not paid much at all.) Women were forced to practically be owned by their husband. This still happens today (more so in less developed countries, tho the wage gap is still existing) Gender roles were very much forced. They aren't as much today but the mark left in history from this stays into modern day
In America and most Western countries this is simply not true. Women have more opportunities to grow and be equal than ever before. The women own the house house hence the term "what the wife says, goes" and as statistics have proven time as time again, the wage gap is a myth.
"The wage gap" is a myth in the western world, it has been all but proven it is down to lifestyle choices that women make less money, fewer working hours and more holidays etc. Now a days more men are being bossed by their girlfriends than girlfriends being bossed by their boyfriend! its so clear that women wear the pants in most relationships and men just do what they are told like little pussy cats.. your argument is pure and utter tosh!
Also the whole dress thing? Dresses were meant to emphasize a woman's curves to an exaggeration. Men do not have curves, clothes are made different for different body tules even within their own genders. Also, they Scottish love their dresses. Just make sure to call it a kilt
@SirRexington, nowadays the gender equality have improved a lot in the Western world. But gender equality don't exist in every countries and not every Western countries have always been like how it's today.
@SirRexington Yes, women are much more equal now. But the wage gap is still there, and there is still sexism. We can go on about that but that is not my main point in this. My main point is that it was EXTREMELY enforced in the past, and that has left a mark that continues on today. Women are looked down upon if they do not want to be a stay at home mother. If they do not want to be a mother at all they are thought to have something wrong with them (And do not try to deny this. You may not have seen it but I have experienced it in my own life, as have many other women)
To be honest, I think it is just a normal thing for people to think it's weird if a man or a woman doesn't want kids - I don't think that is strictly just towards women. I am sick of this feminist attitude that we aren't strong, we are always bullied, we dont get this, we dont get that, men keep us down! nonsense - we ARE strong and we can go achieve whatever the hell we want to achieve and bash any barriers that stand in our way down. Empower each other, don't sit and feel sorry for yourself.
There are very good reasons why societies created gender roles. Only 4% of women can even meet the male minimum standards for the military. That isn't even taking into account if these women get pregnant. A woman trying to keep up with the men physically, is at risk for destroying her own reproductive system, do to the stress she is putting on her body just to keep up with the men.
Gender roles may be less important with modern technology, but humans are a sexually dimorphic species. It makes no sense that we would never have developed gender roles. Gender roles were important to the development of society, as shown by the fact that there are no great matriarchal societies that ever formed. The matriarchal societies that do exist live in horrible conditions, and aren't invaded and destroyed, only because they have nothing worth taking. There are differences between men and women, and enhancing those differences with social pressure has helped society develop to this point.
@Maddie03 I agree. Everyone has to fight and standup to be what they want. It'll take time and money, the government should make it easier, but it will hopefully happen.
@Maddie03 Its not just a "weird thing", people have bashed women down for not wanting children. They have told me and other women I know that there is something wrong with out minds, we are not mentally right. They say women need to stop leaving the house because its not right for them. Don't say this isn't real because I know it is and I have experienced it. The feminist attitude IS that we are strong. The feminist attitude is that even though men in the past have kept us down, we will take down the barriers. The feminist attitude is calling out men and women on being sexist. The feminist attitude is to stop sitting down feeling sorry for ourselves, and to create a more equal world.
Without feminists, we still wouldn't have the right to vote. Without feminists, marital rape would still be legal. Without feminists, we wouldn't be able to get an education.
Dont bash down feminism because you think you don't need it. You enjoy the benefits that hardworking feminists earned for you.
Yeah those people are douchebags i don't know what else to say. They will always be douchebags. Women just like anyone else should be able to do whatever they want in life as long as it's not impeding on another person.
Heck, I want a woman who doesn't want kids cause I hate kids.
Feminists WERE needed to get equality when equality wasn't here, it is now here! females can do ANYTHING that a man can do (physical stuff aside) so why is there a need for this group that is just an embarrassment? they make up things about wage gaps which is more or less proven to be false, they say there should be more women in education even though there are actually more women graduating than men, they say there should be more women CEO's in the ftse 500 companies but they aren't enough who actually want the job or are qualified for it - when women have something to fight for that is actually legit THEN get together and fight for it. Don't make stuff up.
@Maddie03 Women are raped and harassed and in schools, we are told to cover ourselves so the boys aren't distracted. We are taught to hide our bodies and boys are rarely taught that they should just not rape. Wage gap does exist and there is proof of that. (Also its not just women who are paid less. Men of other races are as well.) Women are shamed for wanting their hair too short and shamed for not wanting to marry or have children. Not by all men but by many men, and even some women too. Feminism wouldn't still exist if women were not oppressed. Feminism doesn't even exist just to help women either. When are more mens shelters for domestic violence going to come up? (Feminism says we are equal, society says men are stronger so why would they need shelters like that?) When will men who are raped be taken seriously? When will mens bathrooms have changing tables for babies? Feminism is a long ways from being over with.
Men are not told to rape? come on now you are just being silly and I do not need to even read anything else you say because that comment is absolutely ludicrous!! you have NO shame and i am embarassed to share the same sex as you
@Maddie03 That is not what I meant. Men are told not to rape, yes. But are they told it every day of their lives? Are there schools holding sex ed classes about how terrible it would be for them to do that? No, but women are told every day of their lives to hide their body to stay safe
You are told everyday how to keep safe and stop yourself from being murdered to the best of your ability but you aren't lectured everyday not to murder people! Do you know why that is? because hardly anyone is a rapist or a murderer.
Everyone knows right from wrong, you just can't control EVERYONE and that very tiny % of people that are murderers and rapists can strike at any time to anyone, so its up to YOU to make sure you are as safe as you can be, thats why there isn't lectures on dont rape and dont murder. Not because its ok for boys to rape if they want but girls need to not show any leg or they might be seen as looking for it.
@Maddie03 If someone is murdered, do you say "Oh, he should've been less murderable"? If someone is drowned do you say "He was swimming earlier that day, he must have liked it!" Look up rape court cases for longer than 2 seconds. Look at how many times the rapist gets off the hook while the victim is blamed
Simply because rape is hard to prove and there are plenty cases where women have cried rape when it wasn't so yes women have to take blame for this as well!
were you there? do you know what actually happens? ... then how can you make a decision! you cant! Rape is a horrible crime and everything that can be done to stop it should be done but putting innocent people behind bars because there isn't enough proof and the feminist group want to make the figures look better just isn't the answer.
Putting innocent people behind bars is terrible and should be prevented. But keeping everyone out of jail is not the way to do that. I wasn't even speaking of the falsely accused ones going to jail. Im speaking of the cases where the judge uses the victims clothes to say "he couldn't control himself". Im talking about how a young girls "mature looking body" is used against her. I'm talking about the thousands of rapists who walk around free to do as they please without consequence, while the women they humiliated are left with shame
Show me the case where the judge lets a man off because "he couldn't control himself" due to what the female was wearing or because the young girl had a "mature looking body" .. I don't believe for one second that these people were let off because of these statements! What should be done to prevent rape in your opinion that isn't already being done? I may ask this as a question actually.
That was underage age sex, rape because of her age but it was consentual. The law did state that he had to know she was underage and she did obviously not look underage. If she didn't want to have sex why did she consent?
the judge also jailed him and she actually says women are at greater danger of being raped if they get drunk and aren't in control of themselves, which is 100% true - this is the type of stuff that must stop if women are to be taken seriously!
@Maddie03 Where in that article did it say she consented? I've read several articles on that case and not once did it say she consented. It said her rape case was dropped. HERS, SHE FILED RAPE
If she didn't consent then he would have been done for rape because she didn't consent, he got let off on a technicality within the law that stated he must have known she was underage before having sex and due to her looking older than her age, he got away with it. If she had been violently raped then that part of the law wouldn't have made an ounce of difference.
@Maddie03 Im trying not to get angry at you because I know when I was 13, I acted the exact same way and argued the same as you. I realized how wrong I was soon but it took a bit. Rape is never the victims fault. If someone was drunk and while they were drunk their car got stolen, would it be their fault?
@Maddie03 No, the law lets off so many rapists so often. She did not consent. She filed rape. She was raped but the courts decided her boobs were big enough that it didn't matter. This is why feminism exists
im not 13.. don't try make this about age i agree with you that rape is horrible and it needs to be dealt with better but HOW? these articles you are showing me i actually have to agree with how they turned out.. apart from the boy who filmed the girl because i can't read that 1 for some reason
That had nothing to do with him not being able to control himself. It read "her figure exempted him from blame as he “could not have known” how old she was". That man did not put a knife to her throat and rape her. He simply made a mistake because she looked older than she really was. Are you seriously suggesting putting men in prison, because he that information was withheld from him? That would be as bad as arresting a mailman for drug smuggling, because someone shipped some drugs in the mail. If you don't know, then you can't protect yourself.
@Maddie03 If your not 13 Im going to guess you are either younger or a creepy old person Because if you were not one of those two then lying and saying you are 13 literally serves no advantage at all... in fact people will take you less seriously.
Anyways, If you agree that rape is okay if the woman looks older than she is, or if you agree it is the victims fault if she gets raped while drinking then... You need to get a reality check
@Maddie03 SHE FILED A RAPE CASE SHE WAS A GIRL WHO RAN AWAY FROM FOSTER CARE AND A MAN OFFERED HER FOOD AND DRINK SHE WENT TO GET FOOD AND WATER BECAUSE SHE WAS HUNGRY THIRSTY AND ALL ALONE AND SHE GOT RAPED
"statutory rape" there, if you are an expert then you should realise what that means, that there was no violence, no forcing just the fact she was underage.
@Maddie03 Once again, that does not say she consented. statutory rape means sex with a minor. Okay lets look at this. Lets say the sex was consensual. She was in a foster home so she has no parents (Caring for her at least). She wanted the sex. She did not get pregnant. This means that in order for a rape case to start, she had to file for a rape case. If it was consensual, that case would not have been started because you don't go to the courts and go "I decided to have sex with a dude and I would like to file rape!" She was a runaway, hungry and tired. She never consented and if she had consented at least a few articles would've said that she consented
or she thought this guy is going to look after me ill give him some sex then when he told her he didn't want a relationship she decided yeah he raped me, you dont know exactly what happened so you simply cannot judge! the man didn't know she was 13, he also didn't know she was homeless and from foster care.. its ok making decisions afterwards when everything is out in the open but you cannot say people are guilty when they thought they were perfectly within their rights to do what they did.
you think i am disagreeing with you, i am not! i agree totally that rape needs to be dealt with and anyone found guilty should be in jail for a long long time but you are pointing out these cases and only looking at them from one side and you just can't do that in a democratic society
@Maddie03 Alright Ill look at it from the mans side. He found a girl who he did NOT know was homeless (apparently according to you) and decided "she needs a place to sleep right? cuz girls who are not homeless need a place to sleep at night" That seems odd... He must have known she was a runaway if she needed a place to stay! But if you find a runaway... aren't you supposed to report that to the police?
Or he from his point of view he met this girl in the park who seemed into him and wanted some sex and a few drinks.. he didn't know she needed somewhere to stay, he didn't know she was homeless. You are making it up to suit your argument and in a court of law you can't do that, you need to look at both sides equally
@Maddie03 If you are homeless you do not look all fresh and nice. You have old clothes on and no money. No makeup and no nice hair. Maybe she looked older than 15 but there is no way she looked like an adult that is impossible. Most 16 year olds couldn't even pass for an adult. So this man saw someone who probably looked in their late teens, who had old clothes on, no makeup and probably at the most, just brushed hair (if she had a brush). And decided to offer her a place to sleep and food and drink. CLEARLY he knew she was not just out for a walk
@Maddie03 Once again, please calm down a bit. You are resulting to insults again. Don't tell me I know nothing, that is rude and immature.
Anyways, alright fine. Lets say she has access to a shower, makeup, and freshly washed clothes because we know homeless runaways have access to that, right? She may have looked older than 13, but there is no way she looked 5 years older than her age. So here is a girl who is probably still in school - but above the age of consent - so I shall offer her a place to sleep, and some food and drink because thats a normal thing to offer girls out on a walk who aren't homeless?
I am not insulting you, when I say you know nothing, I am referring to the case - you don't KNOW how old she looked, you dont know what she was wearing, when her last shower was, if she had make up on, brushed hair etc. You aren't privvy to that information, so you can't just assume things. The article states he asked her back to his for "drinks" that usually means alcohol, he asked her back to his house for a few drinks not because he thought she was homeless but because he thought she was interested in sex with him.
@Maddie03 Alright so lets assume she's a homeless runaway but looks GREAT. There was NO WAY at all that he could've known she was homeless Minimum age of drinking in Sweden is 18. There is literally no way a girl could look above 18 at age 13. Her body may but her face? No way at all. So he was still committing a crime of offering alcohol to a minor.
it actually is, if you are on trial for one crime you cannot be punished for another.. unless they start another case, presumably they didn't see a case to answer so didn't bother,.
@Maddie03 my issue issue is that chart up there. If ALL those people were rapists as in they were all proven to be, why were they not jailed. It shows they were not convicted so how can we say for sure that they were...
@SirRexington While that is a good point, the chart even has unreported rapists on it, which is crazy. There would be no evidence of a rape even happening, so there is no telling how many unreported rapes actually occur. It is clearly based on some man hating feminist propaganda, which seeks to brainwash young girls, such as this young lady, into the cult of feminism. What feminists have been doing is changing the definition of rape, so that even if a husband sleeps with his wife after she takes some cold medicine, it can be counted as an unreported rape, whenever feminists do these types of surveys. Feminists commonly count women as being raped, even as the woman denies ever having been raped. To some feminists, all sex is rape, so it really shows how they twist their studies to get such high numbers of "rapists". Even of the reported but not prosecuted rapes, roughly 40% of reported rapes turn out to be the woman lying, which is why a lot of reported rapes are never prosecuted.
I think it has gone overboard when you have people being fired over "misgendering". Why should anyone give a shit what you call yourself? That's for you to decide. It gets really annoying when people call themselves all those new terms because it is trendy when there are people that actually identify as these things. Nearly every woman I saw on OKC was a pansexual genderfluid non-binary manic pixie.
I think before we go teaching this in schools, we need to have the psychological and social science communites weigh in on the matter. That is, to separate what's actually a sociological/psychological phenomenon versus what's just a cultural thing.
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It goes beyond just wanting to be left to live as they please. It has become about telling others how they must behave. Like making a big deal about "misgendering" even when it's unintentional.
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@JenSCDC Well aren't you just the kind tolerant little liberal? No one is being impolite by unintentionally not calling someone by their preferred pronoun. What's wrong with getting over yourself and stop expecting the world to be all about you. Go take your medication, you must have missed a dose.
I think the whole thing is going overboard. In my opinion it shouldn't be taught to young kids, but this is what a lot of people want even in very high places who actually have a good chance to impose it on society. I do believe that everyone should live how they like as long as they aren't harming anyone, but on the other hand society needs to have a standard.
its not that these are new identities, its just that back before the 20th century these were not accepted. Now that they are, people who still hold beliefs from the time before, are angry and prejudiced against people now who are okay with how they feel and identify
The fact that trump signed a law allowing healthcare workers to refuse to treat people based on the sexuality or gender identify, means we have more work to do.
Among the things my friend enjoys more in Russia is that there you don't have people throwing their genders, sexual orientations, and other things in your face.
They shake your hand and say "I'm Michael" , not "I'm gay".
I don't think the Transgender Movement has gone anywhere. Aren't they still demanding what they wanted all along, the right to choose their own gender?
This post triggered me I identify as a agender otherkin non-binary communist
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you can either be one or the other not neither not in between. if you don't like what you were born as you can change to the other. gender fluid is not a thing non binary is not a thing pan gender or agender or whatever its called is not a thing
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Do what you want as long as it doesn't bother me, What ever you do don't shove your views in my face because I really don't care.
No. Gender is very complicated when you get into sociology.
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Doesn't bother me what they do, but I don't wanna learn about it simply because it just doesn't make sense to me. But I have nothing against people who feel that way.
In the transgender community "male" and "female" refers to the biological sex, while man and woman refers to the gender the person identify themselves with. But some people says "male to female" and "female to male" because it's the sex/gender the trans person wants to be.
so you can never change whether you're a male or female because its the sex you're born with. okay. and technically when people say male to female they mean man to woman, right?
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