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Do you believe in "Innocent until proven guilty" or "Guilty until proven innocent"? (Page 2)
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Innocent until proven guilty obviously, however in reality, for the most part, it's innocent until proven guilty, however I think in people's minds, if there's a high profile case of accused sexual assault for example, people have the idea of guilty until proven innocent, that person is stained with that accusation by people even when they're proven innocent, so in instances like that people are in the mindset of guilty, even thought they are proved innocent
Your a murderer, there prove your innocence there a 1 in a million chance I'm wrong by your logic.
The problem with guilty until proven innocent is that you are inevitablebly going to convict inoccent people for crimes because they can't prove their innocence, how would you go about doing that? I'd rather a million guilty people got off than one innocent person gets sentenced to something they didn't do.
The idea of guilty until proven innocent is what fueled the Salem witch trials and numerous other atrocities. What if you broke my heart or were a business rival? I could simply accuse you of a crime to get revenge or give myself a leg up in business.
I study law so I believe in innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way and people will believe whatever someone is accused of if they want to believe it. The reality of it is that there are 2 sides to every story and some people are vindictive. Reasons why vigilantism is a crime in and of itself, to stop people taking the law into their own hands and stringing up an innocent man.
Innocent until proven guilty. Because I'm not a dunce.
The point of innocent until proven guilty was so no torture would be allowed that would cause accused to admit to crimes they didn't commit. That's what happens when you assume guilt until innocence is proven.
Guilty until proven innocent would be an extremely unjust system. We can all be glad the justice system in place in most countries is the other way around.
"Believe"? It is the core principle of law. You can't just have one person come out an accuse someone and send them off to jail. There must be some proof of a crime occurring and show this person did it.
That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.~Benjamin Franklin
The assumption of guilt taints the notion of a fair trial.
I think it depends on the person. Their background, of their trying to improve their life, and the circumstances around it. Witnesses also matter but sometimes witnesses lie too.
How so? We kind of need concrete reason to assume guilt in something, correct?
For example, what kind of person would be assumed guilty?
Gupi is basically begging to make false punishments, it's really easy to get someone in a legal battle, very abuse able.
Iupg is fair while it may be slower in terms of justice but it's much fairer, it's less abuse able and less false punishments.
I'm ALL about innocent till proven guilty.
But to be very honest and blunt, as a black American, I don't feel as if I get that luxury 100% of the time.
Wow! You're a whole heap of stupid and moronic, all wrapped up in a shitball of inbred idiocy. How did you get to be SO EXTREMELY STUPID. Presumption of guilt means if a cop decides he doesn't like your face, he can just KILL YOU and say afterwards he presumed you were guilty of mass murder.
No it doesn't. Losing the presumption of innocence does not equate to turning the police into executioners.
@Sixgun77, moron. Presumption of guilt is an argument from ignorance, a philosophical concept in which a thing is assumed to be true because not proved false.
Opening with ad hominem, nice. Did you know that's considered an automatic loss in a debate?
While your last comment is true, your idea that presumption of guilt would allow police to kill someone because they don't like their face is not.
For that to happen, police would ALSO need to be given the authority to decide sentences, which is currently the job of a judge.
@Sixgun77, okay, cite the legislation that mandates an "automatic" loss for anything in "a debate". Now, show that we're even IN a debate rather than just shooting our mouths off on a silly-ass web site.
As for the police having authority to sentence and execute on the spot, in the USA, that is not actually determined on a de facto basis. So long as the cop can say "I was SKEERED fer mah life!"...
Innocent until proven guilty. Having it the other way around is objectively malicious no matter the crime, as it means that a mere accusation made can ruin a person's record or life. Thankfully though, that never happens.
(Oh wait...)
People are not usualy trained to prove anything, so even in case of non guilty person, this person under stress could easily appears as
2nd points many cops are corrupted, in case a criminal paid him to put on jail, you'll have no options...
Innocent until proven guilty of course. Any one can get unlucky and be falsely accused of something the didn’t do.
American Forefathers thought was, it is better to let 100 guilty go free than to imprison a single innocent. it is the back bone to American law.
Innocent until proven guilty. Because otherwise just anyone could be send to prison without any good evidence. And this would not be DEMOCRACY anymore but a DIKTATORSHIP
*Dictatorship friend
Yeah sorry, this is not my native language. And the last time I really used it to writte something was 6 years ago
Police can be very lazy. They will pin some crimes on anyone that can fit the profile,
The presumption of innocence is the cornerstone of the American system of justice. Let's keep it that way.