Do you consider yourself to be patriotic?

Do you think over devotion can be bad? (not being nationalistic, but just taking a hell load of pride in ur country) Do you think its fair to say it creates further divisions among countries?
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oops forgot to say, pls mention which country ur from too

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  • No, I don't consider myself patriotic.
    I'm from Switzerland. Am I *happy* and *grateful* to have been born here when I could have been born in Somalia or North Korea? Absolutely.

    But pride? Why should I be proud to have been born on this patch of dirt right here rather than on that patch of dirt over there? Not only are political borders highly arbitrary, my birth location was also very much coincidental. I didn't achieve or do something special to become a Swiss citizen - I was simply lucky.
    Now, some people might say that they are proud of the historical accomplishments of their nation but again, I feel rather detached from those things. I'm not among the "heroes" of my country; I didn't participate in writing the constitution or in sparking the reformation in Europe, or in building the magnificent public rail system or in fighting for civil rights during the General Strike in 1919. I'm not even related to those people as far as I know. I'm literally just some dude.

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    • Oh and I think at @tartaarsaus made a good point about feeling connected to people. In my case, I do feel connected to SOME Swiss people but not to all of them. And that's an important point here. For example my wife and I literally come from the opposite sides of the planet, yet we felt very connected to each other soon after we first met. In the same way, there might be guys or girls in Argentina or Vietnam or Iceland or South Africa that could all become close friends of mine. I might easily have more in common with those people than, say, with a 70-year old, very conservative, catholic mountain farmer in central Switzerland.
      Of course culture does play a role in how well we can connect with people. But I also think that political borders deceive us into thinking that everyone inside of them fits together and everyone outside of them does not fit in. When in reality, we are all human beings, with hobbies, interests, desires, character traits etc.

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    • @TheUglyMan
      No, I find local patriotism just as strange as national patriotism. Of course I feel connected with my canton and especially with my city; and I love living where I live; but I wouldn't call that "patriotism". For me, what is typical about patriotism is that people usually can't explain why they love their country (or region), they just do. We all know the phrase "cuz 'Murica!" That, for me, is patriotism: I love my country because... reasons... and things.

      Personally, I try to be more objective than that. I praise my country (or canton/city) for things they do well in my opinion and I criticize them for things they do bad. And the kind of love I feel towards my city isn't what I would call "pride", it's more an appreciation for the good things about it.
      I have lived abroad twice (one time in America and one time in South Korea) and both times I felt the same feeling for those places/countries I was living in. There were things I liked and other things I didn't like.

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  • I'm Norwegian.

    I won't say I'm patriotic, but I do have some nationalistic tendencies. It's not like I think my country is always the best one or perfect, but I think it's a very great country and the development is fantastic. I often think it has come very far; more than many other countries. I'm proud of the politicians and the activists we've that worked for universal health care, free education, gender equality and rights for the disadvantaged.

    As a human being I'm not perfect. I do have prejudices and I do judge other countries. I can think some countries are either too conservative, having bad laws or silly traditions. I do often wondering how people can live in such countries and if they can be happy in them. I won't say I'm the most extreme ones. I believe countries should work together in a peaceful way. I'm against invading other countries, closing the borders totally and discrimination.

    Do patriotism and nationalism divide people? Yes, it does. If someone thinks their country are better than others, it may end up with them discriminating foreigners and treat them badly. Certain people are very cruel and mean toward immigrants. That makes them upset, so the citizens and the immigrants may end up in a bad conflict. If citizens in a country says their culture and country is better, they would off course get reactions. Some people sees themselves as superior and refuses hiring foreigners although they're skilled in the required languages.

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  • Im from Scotland. Id say im patriotic in the sense that I want what is best for my country and its people but im not blinded by patriotism. I think too much devotion does create a hostile environment, even just within the country itself. It blinds people to facts.

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  • Mas o menos.
    I love my country and think it鈥檚 one of, if not the, best in the world. I admit that we have many problems of our own though.

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  • Not really

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  • I consider myself to be patriotic and I'm very proud and grateful to be an American. I think it's a healthy thing, and I even think nationalism can be a healthy thing. Countries evolved for very good reasons, and it's normal and natural that the citizens of a country would want to put their own interests first. I assume that countries other than my own do that (as they should) and I want my country to do that as well.

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    • isn't that just asking for conflict? everyone putting their own interests first. i understand its natural, but ideally, wouldn't we be better off without it?

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    • Nationalism can be healthy when it serves as motivation to protect the way of life of a country. I think Hungary is a good example. There is a strong feeling of nationalism among the Hungarian people that has led to them wanting to preserve their national identity in the face of the EU's demands that Hungary open its borders. And that sentiment has resulted in the election of leaders who have stood up to the EU and said (on behalf of their people) "no." I think that is a very healthy thing. The people of Hungary look at what has happened to countries like France, Germany, Belgium and the UK and they don't want that to happen to their country. They want to survive as the Hungarian nation for the Hungarian people. I think that is very healthy.

    • fair points, thanks for the input!!!

  • Perhaps, for both (biracial Japanese/American mix), and no. I don't think it creates divisions among nations unless your nation is imperialistic and just trying to conquer nations left and right (I definitely don't agree with all wars of both of my nations). Yet most developed nations don't fit in that category. It's the repressed and backwards nations that start shit either by mistreating their people or outright launching attacks across the border.

    Relatively free nations tend to form alliances with both another, just as is the case of the two nations where I have citizenship. Japan used to be an imperialist nation ruled by an emperor, but the US had the bright idea of dropping an atom bomb (which I agree was a great idea). Then Japan submitted to the superiority of the US with an unconditional surrender, and now the two nations are "good friends".

    Meanwhile if you look at some shitty third world country, many hate developed nations, and it's because they're shite with shitty starving people and dumb cunts running the country who think giving freedom to people is a bad idea.

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    • I might have pissed off both some Americans and some Japanese saying the atom bomb was a good idea. But from the American POV, I've seen interview of veterans from WW 2 and from their POV, the Japanese were insane at the time. They couldn't starve them. They kept fighting at 800kcal/day. They were fighting to the last man standing who might go kamikaze. Meanwhile from the Japanese perspective, they were being fed propaganda that if they lost the war, the Americans would rape their wives and kill their children. So the atom bomb seems like a decent solution in that case. And the result was great, now Japan is a developed nation instead of some backwards nation still lead by an emperor, and allies with the US.

      About the part with developed nations, when's the US going to go with the UK or Australia? Probably never, because developed nations in general don't start wars with developed nations. It's the repressed nations where the people aren't free where all the trouble starts...

    • ... and they're also the leaders when it comes to abject poverty throughout the world. So I'd like to see repressed nations become free by whatever means possible.

    • Like take any country which wants genuinely to fight to the last man standing. There's no winning such a war short of killing every man in the country. But target their women and children and you destroy their whole incentive for fighting in the first place. And I think that was a good idea. I'm surprised it's not utilized more often.

  • I don't feel proud being Dutch so nope. I'm not patriotic and see no reason why I should be. I don't feel 'connected' to the Netherlands nor other Dutch people.

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    • is the connection thing a result of the not liking the country?

    • The quality of life is very good, hasn't got to do with that. It's just that the only thing I share with other Dutch people is paying taxes, a language and a passport.

      I'm also not a fan of how we semi-immigrant people are not seen as Dutch when it eventually comes down to me being Dutch or not.

      I don't see why I should feel any differently.

  • Yes, I do. I believe this country can be (and is when it is) great. However, there are people in this country who are either accidentally or intentionally turning this country into a joke, based off of what they say or do. Yes, over-devotion IS bad. It's called Nazi Germany (or for those of you technical people, "blind nationalism"). No way should a country get to the point where they do whatever the government says or does, at least without checks and balances. Governments are run by people, and people are flawed. There must be as close of a perfect balance between government and it's People as there is. The US still has work to do. Do I think the US is the greatest country in the world? It used to be and it should be. But currently, I'm not so sure. You can be patriotic without causing chaos with other countries. It's called keeping your pride in check. We shouldn't allow our pride to get to the point where we are starting up/inciting unnecessary wars. Unfortunately, it seems like we are already doing that and have been for a while. Like I said, the US still has work to do.

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  • Im from the us. I voted for trump (still think he was the better choice and if your gonna hate save your breath) and I'm planning on getting a tattoo on my forearm the timber rattlesnake tattooed coiled with bullbriars and a tattered union flag hanging in the bullbriars est 1776 on my wrist with the 2nd amendment on my forearm up by my elbow. I'm highly patriotic and super pro 2a.

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  • I'm a combat veteran, so I've been a patriot. Currently though, I can't stand our Government (US) and haven't been able too for almost a decade. They use our soldiers as Mercenaries for Banks and Corporations. They are also leading our country into total ruin and eventual collapse. As it stands, if the modern capitalist model does not change globally, We may become extinct within the next 100 years.

    That's why I pursue Artificial Intelligence and Robotics now. I think that is the only way to save our world from Capitalism, automation. I also don't believe in Nations or Countries, but in a global community now. I firmly believe that all people deserve food, education, Healthcare and housing as a birthright of being human.

    The time has come for us to stop wasting our resources on Killing and warfare, and start spending on uplifting our world from poverty, famine and disease. We have only two real futures ahead of us, destruction or evolution. I hope we chose evolution, but it's roughly a coin toss right now.

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  • I'm from America and I'd rather be Irish. So no, I'm not very patriotic. If anything, I'm pretty embarrassed being in America because of Trump.

    "Build a wall!" "No more immigrants!" Trump is an idiot. He's pretty much just asking for trouble, which I'm pretty sure he is.

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  • I'm glad to live in one of the (objectively) best countries in the world. But no I'm not really patriotic.

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  • Im this

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  • I do. At the end of the day I'm glad I'm an American. Are there things I wish would change? Yes. But one thing about America is the fact it IS always changing and is possible to achieve it.
    I think we have a lot of people who are not only patriotic but so against their own country that it creates this negative atmosphere and weakens the country as a whole. But while I feel this way, I also don't harbor negative feelings towards people of other countries like governments seem to try to do. I may not agree with communism, but I wouldn't wish harm on Russians.

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  • No, I'm anti-patriotic, anti-authoritarian, and I believe that patriotism is a brainwashing tool to control the simple minded.

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    • I bet you're fun at parties

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    • anti-patriotic, anti-authoritarian, misanthropic, left-libertarian, market anarchist, antitheist, MGTOW, existential nihilist. (According to profile too).

      Not being funny.. But.. Is there even any point of being alive with a mentality so fucking bleak as that? You seem to hate everything and everyone and your ideology you favour would involve the world going to shit.

      Again, Have fun at your party of uh.. I don't know.. i doubt even suicide cults have parties depressing enough for your beliefs, but, you do you brah.

  • No I am not patriotic towards my country. I am more patriotic towards the world as a whole.

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  • Yes, and on the whole, patriotism is a good thing. It is an appreciation for what we have been given by those who came before us. It is regard for those whom we live with. It is the virtue of gratitude, married to the desire not to destroy because something is imperfect, but to improve where we see the need for improvement.

    It is also, ironically, a link in the chain to love of our fellow man. As Burke said, "To be attached to the subdivision, to love the little platoon we belong to in society, is the first principle (the germ as it were) of public affections."

    Like any virtue, it can be perverted and distorted. However, that does not negate its virtue. It merely requires, as with all virtues, that it be exercised prudently and thoughtfully.

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  • The idea thats being implanted in our minds to not be proud of the good of your society is cancerous and more importantly dangerous. So yes, i am proud of the things my country does right, i am proud of Western Culture and i think we should take back the aspects of it that we have lost to this endless indoctrination that we are allegedly awful.

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  • You don't choose the country of your birth. It's good to appreciate what your country has if it has a good system in place and is good to the people (good healthcare, education, etc), but overall patriotism segregates the world. Even in sports people will kill you in another country if you say you support another team. It's crazy.

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  • I am fiercely patriotic regarding my country. More lately as I see our British Values being eroded constantly. We are not a perfect country, no country is, but have a lot of values and achievements that we should be very proud of, not to mention an indigenous working class population that have been totally betrayed by successive treasonous governments.

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  • Yes, I am quite patriotic I vote, I serve on juries, I pay my taxes, I dialogue with my elected representatives, I engage in activism.

    Yes, I think it can go too far, especially when what you start wanting is to destroy the fabric of society.

    USA

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  • Americans don't understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism is being proud of your country and it's harmless. Nationalism is thinking your country is better than all the rest, that you're superior because you come from that country. Nationalism leads to fascism, it's very dangerous to the world, and many Americans adhere to nationalism.

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    • Ploopkppoplolookno things. But I'm proud of my country and the soldiers and people who fight for it. My country isn't perfect! and we have some iddloooo

    • Ok lol! I'm not sure how that weird stuff was typed in my reply. So after you lol like I did please disregard it.

  • I'm from Greece and although I love living in such a beautiful country I'm not specifically proud of it. Yes, many Greeks are patriotic af because of all the struggles we've been through (with ottomans etc when freeing our country required extreme dedication to it) but I often find myself wishing I was born somewhere else. Extreme patriotism can create divisions among countries but just loving your country is ok I guess.

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  • Hey I'm from Canada. I think it's fantastic to be patriotic. I think it's great to hear how Americans or Quebecois are very proud to be a part of their country/province. However, I feel like some people, because of their patriotism can't appreciate other countries. All of a sudden, theirs is the best and all the other ones are shit. That's when I see the divide happening. I wish everyone could just love each country for its uniqueness while loving their own.

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  • If patriotism is defined by pride, then no. I cannot be proud of something that I didn't accomplish. The fact that I was born and raised here is mere coincidence. I could have been born and raised anywhere. So my pride would be completely arbitrary and pointless.

    I do love my country though and want it to improve.

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  • It's 50/50 with me and how I feel about my country. Love certain aspects of it like the royal family and the culture and I'm extremely lucky to live to such a privilege country such as England but I feel like my country is being torn apart and ruin by are politically correct government who live in a bubble and it's really heart breaking to see my country being turned into a shit hole, full of crime and unemployment, things are never going to be the same again unfortunately

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    • Your country had it coming honestly. I'm glad to see it suffering finally. They ripped other countries apart, especially Ireland. Your country took our language from us (gaelic) with oppression, took our culture, and our land.

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    • @InTimoreDei It's true we did awful things to Ireland. Not in our lifetimes admittedly.

    • @InTimoreDei I definitely agree that are country had it coming with are corrupt government and having that scum bag, warmonger Tony Blair in change for a number of years really fucked things up. But it's not every day normal people in England fault, we don't really have much say in the matter and are never told the truth till it's to late.

  • Reasonably so. I'm not very loud about it, but I do endorse my country (ies)..

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  • i sure do feel very patriotic... i think at some point we all hate our countries... but then when someone bitches your country infant of you... you go all hands down tanks over your face mode cuz no-one can bitch my country except me hahahaha

    i am from india by the way

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  • No, I don't consider myself patriotic at all. Sometimes I feel like I have no country...

    I believe it's good to like your country, support it, try to improve it, but over devotion is bad. Just because you love your country doesn't mean that you should hate all the other countries or consider them inferior.
    And yes, that does create divisions among countries.

    I'm from Angola.

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  • Im from Brazil. And thats pretty much the explanation why Im not

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  • I like my country (germany) but I'm aware of it's failures just as much as it's acomplishments. I'm happy to live here but I wouldn't get defensive if someone points something bad about it out

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  • I鈥檓 from the US & I鈥檓 patriotic because I鈥檓 blessed to have been born in a country that where I can freely express myself. But I feel like you should always stay unbiased and recognize when your country can be doing better

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  • Since I鈥檓 ethnically Indian but nationally British id say I鈥檓
    Patriotic to two different and vastly different countries and although the two are worlds apart I love them both 鉂わ笍

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  • I always go back to... I can鈥檛 love my country but not the government. And I鈥檒l stick to that

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  • I'm not patriotic. I'm Australian by birth but spent half my life living overseas before coming to this country, so it never felt like my own. I don't think devotion to your country is a bad thing, but it can put other people off if you are confronting in the way you express it. There are a lot of people in Australia that fly Australian flags from their cars, or get tattoos of the southern cross or 'Aussie Pride' on their arms. It's a cultural thing, but it's often seen as uncultured 'bogan' behaviour here, so there are a lot of people that treat it as bad. I think also that being a multicultural country with a lot of racism still being prevalent, that 'Aussie pride' can come across as bigoted behaviour that doesn't accept the millions of non-Australians that live here.

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  • I am American. I do not take pride in my country at all. Every country is shitty in its own special way.

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  • Nah, I don鈥檛 consider myself to be patriotic. I think that too much devotion can be bad but too much of anything can be bad

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  • I'm from the United Stated. I'm very patriotic. I'm proud of my country and the soldiers and people that fight for it.

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  • A country is just a land. Over devotion is just creepy you don鈥檛 have to go around say how much you love America.

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  • I'm from America and I'm not patriotic. There's nothing good about this country.

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    • Then get out!

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    • I love my country the USA, but we need to make some changes before our great nation falls. And no I do not think President Trump is the problem. It's the democrat party messing up all because Clinton loss. by the way I'm a democrat, but voted for Trump because he was a lot better then Clinton. Clinton did nothing for New York and she would have done nothing as president all she wanted to be the first. Nothing wrong with that if you are doing it for the right reason, she was NOT. You might not agree but we all have our options. @Amur8711

    • @Amur8711 this country has one of the highest body count. It was built on genocide of one race, the enslavement of another. If you aren't a straight white man you're kinda screwed. Our school systems are horrible. Our country has a problem with gun control. Health care is crazy. This country has a history with separating families. Right now there are almost 1,500 kids "lost" in foster care. We have a problem with our police, some of them shouldn't be police.
      We also have a dumb ass for a president.

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