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I disagree. I call myself a feminist and I'd prefer not being negatively stereotyped like that.
I don't do it because I think "that's what women want to hear". I do it because my values stemming from secular humanism and democratic socialism have led me to support feminism. Just like I support the gay rights movement despite the fact that I don't know any gay people or the fact that I want refugees to be treated with decency and respect despite the fact that I don't know any refugees personally. I just believe it is the right to believe in.
And I don't walk around with t-shirts proclaiming my political/religious/ideological opinions to the entire world. That's something only Americans do. Bumper stickers and those kind of t-shirts are considered a little trashy here in Europe. You keep your views to yourself.
"I call myself a feminist and I'd prefer not being negatively stereotyped like that."
lol.. not going to happen. It's not possible to be a Feminist and not be thought of negatively by most the population. Best case scenario maybe you can get people to just think of you as mentally ill or something instead of being thought of as a bad person.
Hey I don't believe t-shirts with feminist slogans are really feminist because fast fashion clothing industry exploits it's women a lot and wearing their feminist t shirt without helping these women out is pure hypocrisy. I get it when people aren't aware of it, but I think a true feminist keeps himself or herself aware of these things as much as they can and have knowledge of these issues.
@Jager66
It is the responsibility of each and every person to be a good human being, to be a model citizen and treat others with respect. Just like I try to do that, you have the option and the responsibility to do the same. You have the free choice of believing my words and thinking of me in a respectful way. It's the choice we all have. Nobody forces you or anyone else to be intolerant or mean. So to suggest that "things are just like that, people are rude, there's nothing you can do about it" is absolutely incorrect. And I refuse to view the world as a place where choosing to neglect one's civil responsibility and act like an asshole is acceptable or appropriate.
@CubsterShura
I agree, and that's actually such a great point!
@BlueCoyote No that is wrong.
It is not a responsibility to be respectful or a good human being. That is a ridiculous statement and impossible to accomplish. It assumes we all have the same definition of what makes someone respectful or good, which we do not, it's a totally naive way of seeing the world.
We also have to be intolerant of intolerance, otherwise intolerance will destroy tolerance. We also need to be a part of discussions involving many points of view, plenty of which many people will find horribly offensive/rude/disrespectful/shitty even if those points of view are true. This is impossible to accomplish without being rude and disrespectful to a hell of a lot of people. It probably will even require being a total asshole to get the truth across at times.
Factually, Feminism IS a major problem in the world. It is a hate movement. It does survive by duping useful idiots with propaganda.
You'd think the world, especially Europe, would have learned something from the last 120 years concerning hate and bigotry... but nope.. Feminists/SJW's/Alt Lefties as determined to repeat those same mistakes again.
@Jager66
I disagree. There is a universal standard. It's called common human decency and compassion. You have it too, you just don't want to admit it.
Furthermore, disagreements can be discussed in a civil and respectful manner. I am used to getting attacked and insulted on here simply for calling myself a feminist. I believe this hatred tells much more about the haters than it does about me. I'm just some guy minding my own business. I'm happy to discuss feminism with anyone who can respect me as a fellow human being but I won't accept insults and hatred. Unfortunately, this is what I get here on G@G from other men.
You might be a conservative but you bet I can have a civil discussion with you about your political beliefs without calling you an asshole or a cuck or something immature like that. Why? Because I'm not a fucking child. And I have had enjoyed decent upbringing. I don't need to go around throwing mud in people's eye just because I disagree with them.
As for feminism being a hate movement, I completely disagree with that. I think it is an incredibly silly statement already for the simple fact that it lacks nuance. Contrary to what people like you believe, feminism is not some homogenous thing. For example feminism in Europe is pretty different from feminism in North America. It also isn't homogenous in regard to politics. There are right-wing feminists such as Alice Schwarzer and there are left-wing feminists such as myself. It isn't homogenous in regard to feminism-specific issues either. For instance there exists sex-positive and sex-negative feminism. And these are just some of the many subdivisions. Viewing feminism as one static, homogenous movement makes you sound completely uneducated and ill-informed.
And perhaps most importantly, it is silly to conclude that just because a movement or ideology might be a certain way, every single supporter is that way too. In fact, this is a formal logical fallacy called non sequitur.
"I disagree. There is a universal standard. It's called common human decency and compassion. You have it too, you just don't want to admit it."
Dude no need to be a dick.. we were having a polite discussion and now this? wtf man?
" I believe this hatred tells much more about the haters than it does about me."
That's because you're being bigoted and disrespectful to people, you clearly have no idea about why they hold those opinions, you just judge them wrong and less moral than you, as if you're the arbiter of right and wrong anyway..
seriously dude, don't be such an asshole.
@Jager66
I'm being asshole? Excuse you? I didn't say anything offensive. You're the one throwing around with insults. Are you just trying to provoke me?
I actually made you a compliment by attesting you common human decency and compassion. But you find it necessary to freak out and call me a dick and an asshole. And then you complain about me not being polite? You gotta be kidding me.
Also, you not admitting your compassion is a fact, not conjecture. I said we all have the responsibility to be good people because we all have empathy, upon which you felt the need to call me naive and claim that this (people having empathy) isn't true. So, what else was that if not denying? I don't think this is worth my time.
@Jager66
You're the one calling me "dick face" and other insults. I have been perfectly civil towards you. And though I've asked you to provide evidence for your claim that I had supposedly insulted you, you still haven't provided me with any. You just keep calling me "dick" and "dick face". You're not worth a single second more of my time and you're clearly unable to engage in a normal discussion. Hence blocked.
@BlueCoyote at least the Alt-Right doesn't force you into believing their bullshit ;)
I disagree, I’m a feminist but I don’t do it to get girls to sleep with me.
And I respect you so much for that!
@CubsterShura you are welcome, although I should point out, it has a slightly different meaning here than it does over there.
Women not being taken seriously in corporate environments is my main gripe.
It's an issue as well tbh.
You’re a feminist since when 😛?
Since forevvaaaaa. But like I said I’m much more specific about where I think women need equality and where they are already equal and recognise where they are flat out inferior.
In other words, I am rational about the whole thing.
My boyfriend is a feminist and one of the most loving, respectful and intelligent people I know. So there are a few gems out there. But yes, on the other hand there are also a lot of guys out there who say it either without understanding what it means (and therefore also holding some pretty sexist views "unknowingly"), or they say it because they think it'll get them into a girl's pants.
there are bound to be some men who say they are feminists because they have a false idea of feminism or are trying to "fit in" or whatever, but at the same time there are plenty other men who truly believe in it and actively fight for equal rights for women.
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They're white knights, who understand as much about women, as they would about being Viceroy of India.
Awful, awful people.
@Q-tip-boy The Viceroy was the most senior official in British India. He was essentially at the apex of the Indian Civil Service, and had an extremely complex job, that required a great deal of administrative competence.
I used that example to illustrate how little the average male feminist understands about women. He's as out of his depth as he would be, if he were suddenly sent through some kind of time warp, and found he was Viceroy of India.
Ok I understood.
I am a feminist because some parts of India are way too conservative I wouldn't like excessive feminism as it gradually changes to feminazism.
I don't support feminism in western countries though. It's soo ridiculous.
I am feminist and I understand how much of it is actually needed
I hate the acts that people in western countries perform in the name of "feminism". It's hilarious
I agree to an extent. While feminism is a very volatile word in today's culture, we must first establish that feminism must mean the equality of women and men. This does not mean that men get special privileges or are exempt from any responsibilities inherit with being a man, and this also holds true for women. Now to your question, there are men who approach the world with a "yes sir, yes ma'am" mentality. These types of people are the ones that generally will tell you how much of a "nice guy" (this mentality can also be applied to girls) they are, while actually only holding shallow values of others. They do this to try and appease the common sense of longing in people for the "perfect partner", while hiding the fact that their behavior is just a mirage projected by a disingenuous, shallow, and manipulative lust for a partner. On the other hand, there are guys who technically fall under the label of feminism (the one defined above), yet they often don't address themselves as that as it is a more or less common trait, which is why mysoginists (valuing women as lesser) and mysandrists (valuing men as lesser) are in the very small minority, and are insanely uncommon in today's society.
I disagree, I would call myself a feminist, because I agree in equality between the sexes. I have views that some women may not agree with and that doesn't bother me because my priority for my beliefs is equality, should a man be able to hit a woman? If it's in self-defence, Yes, if a woman gets pregnant, and she doesn't want to be a parent, but the man does, she has every right to get an abortion without the man's say being any factor in it, that I agree with. But I think if the woman wants to be a parent, but the man doesn't and he's been clear about that from the start of pregnancy, she shouldn't have the power to be able to force the man to be a parent or take responsibility for it by giving the woman money, a man shouldn't be able to force a woman to be a parent, but neither should a woman be able to force a man. That's how a man can be a feminist and doesn't think that it's what women want to hear, I know my views some women won't like, but if they are feminists in the true sense of the word (support equality) then they would have no problem with it.
I would say that a VERY large proportion of guys who claim to be feminists and the vast majority who participate in feminist events/rallies/protests/etc. are doing it because they think that's their best route into a girl's pants. Some of those guys are trying to get into the pants of a very particular girl and think that by mirroring her interests he increases his chances with her. Other guys aren't being so targeted, but have made the observation that there are a lot of girls and not too many guys at feminist events, and therefore like their odds. Many guys are doing this as a conscious calculation, but certainly some are doing this unconsciously and aren't really being honest with themselves as to why they're into "the cause." And as much as other guys like to mock the feminist dudes for this behavior, I actually think that for SOME guys it makes a lot of sense, because they DO get results this way. Personally though, I believe that for a lot of guys, this strategy is fraught with all kinds of issues and I wouldn't tend to advise it to your average guy.
What's been your specific experience with this type of guy? I'd love to hear about it for a girl's perspective.
Well, to a degree. Many have turned out to be outright predators who use the visage of being this pro-woman feminist to disengage womens guard in kind of the similar way women do around gay men. However I think it's easy for certain men to read about the history of rhe 19th amendment, about Elisabeth Cady Stanton and the Seneca Falls convention, etc and it makes them invested in helping halt inequities that harm women disproportionately. There are honest male feminists, but I think the loudest ones are the ones you need to be specific about. Just like how preachers who are the most homophobic get caught doing gay things, just like how anti drug warriors like Rodrigo Duterte or Rush Limbaugh turn out to be drug addicts, etc.
In part. They’ve taken thoroughly to the indoctrination they received. I think many are also closet homosexuals or are otherwise effeminate. I think for some it’s easier to be a slave and be told what to think, what to like, what to do. I think many guys that are feminists would prefer to be the woman, and since feminists really hate women and want to be men, it works well for the effeminate types because they basically get to have a female overlord to boss them around and make decisions for them.
Just like @BlueCoyote I too am a feminist and you even follow me, I don't do it for impressing girls, I don't do it for anyone, I do it because I feel like having no superiority on either side just makes sense and if girls think we do it just to impress them then sorry but no.
You may have sadly come across some jerks who say that just to get with you but to further my point, I'm not even interested in relationships or sexual activities so what other possible reason could I have other than preventing superiority? :/
Also like Coyote, I too support the gay movement and treating refugees so I am not just focused on feminism T_T
I was a feminist and I am a feminist and I don't feel bad about it.
Why?
Bcoz some parts of our country are very conservative and the people over there need to understand female point of view.
I hate feminism in western countries though. It's feminazism.
Feminism cannot exist in western countries as women have the freedom that they should have.
Only "feminazism" can exist over there.
I am against excessive feminism.. when feminism is in excess, it's meaning changes and it gradually became something , may be , we can call it "feminazism"
I understand what feminism actually is and how much of it is actually needed.
Also I don't like excessive growth of feminism in some parts of my country. It's stupid and dangerous.
Just because I am a feminist does not mean I have to be respectful, especially to people I do not think deserve it. If I wanted to get the approval of women I would learn how to play guitar or some other more practical skill rather than adopt an ideology with all its baggage.
It’s 2018. You can just admit you’re gay now. No need to hide it any more. No one will throw rocks at you or anything.
You can now return to worshiping at the feet of women and being a slave.
Also. Please don’t forget to make a return comment, and then block me before I can respond so you get to have the last word... just like all feminist coward do.
@Exterminatore Erm.. are you okey?
@Exterminatore
Dude, you're 41. You talk like a sulky toddler. "yes! just be mean to me! Meany! Meany potato!" *crossing arms and stomping on the ground with one foot*
I hate nowadays feminists and but i hate the word itself even more. "Feminist " men know exactly what this term stands for, but they still stand by the name, whereas most feminists women couldn't be happier with the term as long as it expresses female empowerment.
I stand for male and female equality. In every fucking way. I'm not a feminist and I never will be.
Thank you so much for that.
I disagree. I used to consider myself a feminist but with the current feminist movement I want to get away from it as far as possible. A true feminist is just for equal rights which I agree with and that has nothing to do with wanting to be accepted by women for having that belief. But again, the term feminist has been tainted and I want nothing to do with it.
I think there is a difference between gender equality (old school feminism) and female gender supremacy (today's feminism). That being said I think that yes there's a large number of male "feminists" that are only in it to try to get laid/ accepted. I say accepted because masculinity seems to be evil in today's culture which (among other factors) is producing a generation of beta males.
What's the difference between egalitarianism and feminism? Also, male feminists are dopes. Particularly the ones that still believe in the wage gap or the patriarchy. Men and women riding a wave of a time long passed. Today's feminism is a shadow of what it used to be. You hear, "I'm a feminist" you know you're in for a shit ride because believe it or not, most people believe in equality, but few believe in feminism. And if you are a male feminist I suppose you gave your position at your job to a woman and if you don't, you give a woman 25% of your income to make it even, right. So dumb.
I think almost every male I have met is a feminist because almost every male I have met has always thought that a woman has rights as much as a man has a rights.
Now, there has not been a lot of men that I have met that would call themselves feminists; I have found that most men that associate themselves with that movement are looking for approval from females. They figure this is there way in.
But I have not found them disrespectful or creepy; I have just found them insecure and a little desperate. lol!
You don’t find someone creepy who willingly seeks the approval of women by joining a hate movement that seeks to subjugate men?
@Exterminatore No. Not really.
I think men will often be fools for love...
I agree so very much. Time for us all as an entire sex, or at least those of us who haven’t modified our behavior yet to stop that nonsense immediately.
@Exterminatore You mock but I am pretty sure it works. :)
I’m not mocking. I’m serious. Even if it worked, why be a fool and call yourself a feminist just to get laid? That has to be the intended goal of gaining women’s approval in such a fashion. Then you have to go to meetings and rallies where you’d rather see a stray cruise missile land in the middle of the venue than listen to anymore mind numbing trash. All that to get laid? I’d rather stick my head in a lions mouth.
@Exterminatore I am not sure if the point is to get laid. I imagine a lot of people that feel a victim align themselves with others that feel a victim and it just works that way...
so they find themselves suddenly a hero and then become aggro about it because they are the "better" man. lol!
I think most men that call themselves feminists don't do it to prey on young women but they do it so they themselves are no longer prey. They now belong somewhere and not anywhere but a place that looks at them as if they are enlightened; as if they are heroes.
I mean, c'mon, how many people would pass that up? Especially if they are trying to get laid? *wink
Excellent point. Never thought of it like that.
I wouldn’t do it though. Being a feminist is pretty much like selling your soul to the devil.
@Exterminatore I agree. Being a feminist today means that I approve of any woman's behavior no matter how bizarre or immoral or unfair or down right disingenuous and that I agree any man's behavior no matter how innocent it may actually be, I must pretend it is down right evil because a woman claims it is so. Bizarro world.
All I can say is that I am soooo glad I do not have kids. I do not know what I would do if I actually had to try to combat the stupid our society has become. I think I would go insane. And I am not kidding. lol!
I am laughing through my tears right now... I have to laugh or otherwise I would go insane. :)
I don’t have any either for some of the same reasons.
Depends how you view feminism. Is it equality of genders like most people say, or is it a male privilege believing spiteful group? I'm sorry but what I have seen from feminism is about women breaking out of a so called male prison and in a very loud and anti male way, which I don't support. I think everyone is for gender equality but I don't think that's what a modern feminist is solely fighting for
there're guys who are true feminist but there's also a new wave kind of players who pretend to be, and when it gets to sex things start to go wrong...
e. g - i used to date someone who seemed to supported women rights and to understand what feminism stands for. i told him i have had hurt in the past and was into serious relationship, he seemed supportive at first and said he was also into relationship. but after a few times we had sex and things got serious, he started losing interests. so i was asking myself was it all fake? a true feminist who stands for women rights and be honest wouldn't, obviously, dates me and use me just for sex.
long story short;
some men use it cause they know it'd make women give in sex easily.
It's hard to say it could be true. I'm confused on this one?
Myself i believe Women should be treated as equal as Men
no matter what it is. In America there is more Women running
for Political office in 2018 and I support them 100 % to win it
for office. If a Woman wants to run for Sheriff of the County
that she is from, i believe she should be allowed to run for office
yes the list goes on.
Agree. Men like that are pussies. Women have more legal rights than men anyway. Seriously.
-Child support is almost always in favor of the woman.
-If a man and woman commit the same crime, the man will always get more time and a harsher punishment.
-Women can get into clubs and bars for free (ladies night), whereas men have to pay to get it in.
-Men are expected to pay for the first date, or they are horrible men.
-Men aren't really allowed to have standards when it comes to dating, where women can be as choosy as they want.
-They have foundations and drives for single moms and women who were abused, but they never talk about or help men who are struggling single dads or men who were abused.
It's a woman's world, and men that support feminism and that bullshit are just trying to get pussy. However, what they don't realize is that by agreeing with feminism, they just make themselves look like a bitch.
Guys who claim to be feminists just to get some "action" are not true feminists, they are liars, just like feminazis.
True feminist is for gender equality. Feminazi is for female supremacy.
As for the guys, not all of them are like that, lots of them are genuine feminists, but there are always some jerks who want to take advantage, just like some guys here on the GaG, who always want to pm girls (just so that they could send them a dick pic).
That's why I say: Stop the fake feminists... both forms of of them - Crazy women who are Feminazis and desperate men who are perverts.
True feminism may have been equality but it isn't anymore. Now it's all about attack men and anything masculine. If you want equality that's called an egalitarian.
@JethroNyfi Feminism is always for equality, terms never change, feminazis are not feminist, they are fake.
Egalitarians are not just for gender equality, they are for national, ethnic, racial, political and sexual equality.
Terms do change.
@JethroNyfi No they don't, just like liberalism has always been liberalism, just like green means green, just like an elephant is an elephant and not a cow.
That is blatantly false. For example the word "retard" it used to be the proper psychological term and now it's a vulgar insult, green didn't always mean green; for a period of time the colors blue green and yellow all had one name and where described as shades of each other. Language is ever evolving. Listen to lexicon valley a linguistics podcast by John Mchorter a professor of linguistics. The word feminism once did stand for equality in its first and second waves but as it's third wave continues we see it's current meaning be that of the hatred of men and therefore no self respecting person should call themself one. If you don't believe terms change them how does a language change? Shouldn't we all be speak like speakers of the first version of english?
@JethroNyfi No, it's absolutely true, the word "retard" it still a proper psychological term, people just use it as vulgar insult, because of its meaning. That's not true, even the ancient Egyptians and other antique civilizations had separate words for green, yellow and blue, they are obviously not shades of each other, unless you're a color blind.
Language is evolving by inventing new words, like slang, but it can't change the meaning of the word (just because some bigoted retards want's to change it). Archaic words are rarely used anymore, but that's because of modernization, it has nothing to do with changing the meaning of the official terms.
There are no "waves", either you're a feminist - or not. The main ideal of feminism is gender equality. Once you stop following the main ideal - you're no longer a feminist... you may falsely call yourself a "feminist" - but you're not, you're a feminazi (female supremacist and misandrist).
Just like Stalinists are not genuine Communists.
I could go through the trouble to prove you wrong but it would do no good. You are incorrect and fairly unintelligent, good day.
@JethroNyfi I'm right, and you're wrong & unintelligent, there is nothing you can "prove", good bye now ;)
Sure thing you feminazi!
@JethroNyfi I'm not a feminazi, and you're a sock-puppet ;)
Some certainly are, but there's all sorts of reasons. I think most are just genuinely ignorant to the reality of feminism and will just say "Sure, I'm a feminist" without really having thought about it too hard or doing any activism or anything like that.
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