And I don't walk around with t-shirts proclaiming my political/religious/ideological opinions to the entire world. That's something only Americans do. Bumper stickers and those kind of t-shirts are considered a little trashy here in Europe. You keep your views to yourself.
"I call myself a feminist and I'd prefer not being negatively stereotyped like that." lol.. not going to happen. It's not possible to be a Feminist and not be thought of negatively by most the population. Best case scenario maybe you can get people to just think of you as mentally ill or something instead of being thought of as a bad person.
Hey I don't believe t-shirts with feminist slogans are really feminist because fast fashion clothing industry exploits it's women a lot and wearing their feminist t shirt without helping these women out is pure hypocrisy. I get it when people aren't aware of it, but I think a true feminist keeps himself or herself aware of these things as much as they can and have knowledge of these issues.
@Jager66 It is the responsibility of each and every person to be a good human being, to be a model citizen and treat others with respect. Just like I try to do that, you have the option and the responsibility to do the same. You have the free choice of believing my words and thinking of me in a respectful way. It's the choice we all have. Nobody forces you or anyone else to be intolerant or mean. So to suggest that "things are just like that, people are rude, there's nothing you can do about it" is absolutely incorrect. And I refuse to view the world as a place where choosing to neglect one's civil responsibility and act like an asshole is acceptable or appropriate.
@CubsterShura I agree, and that's actually such a great point!
@BlueCoyote No that is wrong. It is not a responsibility to be respectful or a good human being. That is a ridiculous statement and impossible to accomplish. It assumes we all have the same definition of what makes someone respectful or good, which we do not, it's a totally naive way of seeing the world. We also have to be intolerant of intolerance, otherwise intolerance will destroy tolerance. We also need to be a part of discussions involving many points of view, plenty of which many people will find horribly offensive/rude/disrespectful/shitty even if those points of view are true. This is impossible to accomplish without being rude and disrespectful to a hell of a lot of people. It probably will even require being a total asshole to get the truth across at times.
Factually, Feminism IS a major problem in the world. It is a hate movement. It does survive by duping useful idiots with propaganda. You'd think the world, especially Europe, would have learned something from the last 120 years concerning hate and bigotry... but nope.. Feminists/SJW's/Alt Lefties as determined to repeat those same mistakes again.
@Jager66 I disagree. There is a universal standard. It's called common human decency and compassion. You have it too, you just don't want to admit it.Furthermore, disagreements can be discussed in a civil and respectful manner. I am used to getting attacked and insulted on here simply for calling myself a feminist. I believe this hatred tells much more about the haters than it does about me. I'm just some guy minding my own business. I'm happy to discuss feminism with anyone who can respect me as a fellow human being but I won't accept insults and hatred. Unfortunately, this is what I get here on G@G from other men.You might be a conservative but you bet I can have a civil discussion with you about your political beliefs without calling you an asshole or a cuck or something immature like that. Why? Because I'm not a fucking child. And I have had enjoyed decent upbringing. I don't need to go around throwing mud in people's eye just because I disagree with them.
As for feminism being a hate movement, I completely disagree with that. I think it is an incredibly silly statement already for the simple fact that it lacks nuance. Contrary to what people like you believe, feminism is not some homogenous thing. For example feminism in Europe is pretty different from feminism in North America. It also isn't homogenous in regard to politics. There are right-wing feminists such as Alice Schwarzer and there are left-wing feminists such as myself. It isn't homogenous in regard to feminism-specific issues either. For instance there exists sex-positive and sex-negative feminism. And these are just some of the many subdivisions. Viewing feminism as one static, homogenous movement makes you sound completely uneducated and ill-informed.And perhaps most importantly, it is silly to conclude that just because a movement or ideology might be a certain way, every single supporter is that way too. In fact, this is a formal logical fallacy called non sequitur.
"I disagree. There is a universal standard. It's called common human decency and compassion. You have it too, you just don't want to admit it." Dude no need to be a dick.. we were having a polite discussion and now this? wtf man?" I believe this hatred tells much more about the haters than it does about me." That's because you're being bigoted and disrespectful to people, you clearly have no idea about why they hold those opinions, you just judge them wrong and less moral than you, as if you're the arbiter of right and wrong anyway.. seriously dude, don't be such an asshole.
@Jager66 I'm being asshole? Excuse you? I didn't say anything offensive. You're the one throwing around with insults. Are you just trying to provoke me?
I actually made you a compliment by attesting you common human decency and compassion. But you find it necessary to freak out and call me a dick and an asshole. And then you complain about me not being polite? You gotta be kidding me.Also, you not admitting your compassion is a fact, not conjecture. I said we all have the responsibility to be good people because we all have empathy, upon which you felt the need to call me naive and claim that this (people having empathy) isn't true. So, what else was that if not denying? I don't think this is worth my time.
dude you are being an offensive dick face, deal with it. So in addition to being a hypocrite, acting like a child and throwing mud in my face, you're also straw manning like crazy, you should be embarrassed.
Totally agree with you. I couldn't have put it better myself.
"Nobody forces you or anyone else to be intolerant or mean." yeah right, like Antifa agrees with you.
@Gopnik What does antifa have to do with anything?
nothing, up until you realise they're left wing and try to force people into believing their shit up until the point they're the exact definition of a terrorist organisation.
@Jager66 You're the one calling me "dick face" and other insults. I have been perfectly civil towards you. And though I've asked you to provide evidence for your claim that I had supposedly insulted you, you still haven't provided me with any. You just keep calling me "dick" and "dick face". You're not worth a single second more of my time and you're clearly unable to engage in a normal discussion. Hence blocked.
@Gopnik So? Are you now also starting to throw around with non sequiturs? Nothing here has anything to do with antifa. Your comment is completely off-topic. I know the alt-right really loves these buzzwords but I don't really give a shit.
@BlueCoyote at least the Alt-Right doesn't force you into believing their bullshit ;)
@Gopnik Have I forced you to believe anything?
And I respect you so much for that!
@CubsterShura you are welcome, although I should point out, it has a slightly different meaning here than it does over there. Women not being taken seriously in corporate environments is my main gripe.
It's an issue as well tbh.
You’re a feminist since when 😛?
Since forevvaaaaa. But like I said I’m much more specific about where I think women need equality and where they are already equal and recognise where they are flat out inferior.In other words, I am rational about the whole thing.
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Viceroy of India?Can you explain what you said?
@Q-tip-boy The Viceroy was the most senior official in British India. He was essentially at the apex of the Indian Civil Service, and had an extremely complex job, that required a great deal of administrative competence. I used that example to illustrate how little the average male feminist understands about women. He's as out of his depth as he would be, if he were suddenly sent through some kind of time warp, and found he was Viceroy of India.
Ok I understood.I am a feminist because some parts of India are way too conservative I wouldn't like excessive feminism as it gradually changes to feminazism. I don't support feminism in western countries though. It's soo ridiculous.I am feminist and I understand how much of it is actually neededI hate the acts that people in western countries perform in the name of "feminism". It's hilarious
@Q-tip-boy I feel much the same way myself.
When I was exposed to the western meaning of the word "feminism" I was kind of shocked when I got to know the stupid acts people perform.
You don’t find someone creepy who willingly seeks the approval of women by joining a hate movement that seeks to subjugate men?
@Exterminatore No. Not really.I think men will often be fools for love...
I agree so very much. Time for us all as an entire sex, or at least those of us who haven’t modified our behavior yet to stop that nonsense immediately.
@Exterminatore You mock but I am pretty sure it works. :)
I’m not mocking. I’m serious. Even if it worked, why be a fool and call yourself a feminist just to get laid? That has to be the intended goal of gaining women’s approval in such a fashion. Then you have to go to meetings and rallies where you’d rather see a stray cruise missile land in the middle of the venue than listen to anymore mind numbing trash. All that to get laid? I’d rather stick my head in a lions mouth.
@Exterminatore I am not sure if the point is to get laid. I imagine a lot of people that feel a victim align themselves with others that feel a victim and it just works that way...so they find themselves suddenly a hero and then become aggro about it because they are the "better" man. lol!I think most men that call themselves feminists don't do it to prey on young women but they do it so they themselves are no longer prey. They now belong somewhere and not anywhere but a place that looks at them as if they are enlightened; as if they are heroes.I mean, c'mon, how many people would pass that up? Especially if they are trying to get laid? *wink
Excellent point. Never thought of it like that. I wouldn’t do it though. Being a feminist is pretty much like selling your soul to the devil.
@Exterminatore I agree. Being a feminist today means that I approve of any woman's behavior no matter how bizarre or immoral or unfair or down right disingenuous and that I agree any man's behavior no matter how innocent it may actually be, I must pretend it is down right evil because a woman claims it is so. Bizarro world.All I can say is that I am soooo glad I do not have kids. I do not know what I would do if I actually had to try to combat the stupid our society has become. I think I would go insane. And I am not kidding. lol! I am laughing through my tears right now... I have to laugh or otherwise I would go insane. :)
I don’t have any either for some of the same reasons.
It’s 2018. You can just admit you’re gay now. No need to hide it any more. No one will throw rocks at you or anything. You can now return to worshiping at the feet of women and being a slave.Also. Please don’t forget to make a return comment, and then block me before I can respond so you get to have the last word... just like all feminist coward do.
@Exterminatore Erm.. are you okey?
@Exterminatore Dude, you're 41. You talk like a sulky toddler. "yes! just be mean to me! Meany! Meany potato!" *crossing arms and stomping on the ground with one foot*
Thank you so much for that.
Yeah, feminism in its core is about equality, but there are extremists who take it too far and believe women are superior. These "femi-nazis" ruin the title for every feminist.Pretty much every decent person should be a feminist. Believe in equality.
I do believe in equality to the max, but I feel saying I'm a feminist would make me seem like one of those "femi-nazis", is it the same thing if I show support but dont use the title?
Absolutely. Since some people have ruined the title, I understand you don't want to use the title. You can believe in equality without calling yourself a feminist.
Alright good, I like you we can be friends 😂
True feminism may have been equality but it isn't anymore. Now it's all about attack men and anything masculine. If you want equality that's called an egalitarian.
@JethroNyfi Feminism is always for equality, terms never change, feminazis are not feminist, they are fake. Egalitarians are not just for gender equality, they are for national, ethnic, racial, political and sexual equality.
Terms do change.
@JethroNyfi No they don't, just like liberalism has always been liberalism, just like green means green, just like an elephant is an elephant and not a cow.
That is blatantly false. For example the word "retard" it used to be the proper psychological term and now it's a vulgar insult, green didn't always mean green; for a period of time the colors blue green and yellow all had one name and where described as shades of each other. Language is ever evolving. Listen to lexicon valley a linguistics podcast by John Mchorter a professor of linguistics. The word feminism once did stand for equality in its first and second waves but as it's third wave continues we see it's current meaning be that of the hatred of men and therefore no self respecting person should call themself one. If you don't believe terms change them how does a language change? Shouldn't we all be speak like speakers of the first version of english?
@JethroNyfi No, it's absolutely true, the word "retard" it still a proper psychological term, people just use it as vulgar insult, because of its meaning. That's not true, even the ancient Egyptians and other antique civilizations had separate words for green, yellow and blue, they are obviously not shades of each other, unless you're a color blind. Language is evolving by inventing new words, like slang, but it can't change the meaning of the word (just because some bigoted retards want's to change it). Archaic words are rarely used anymore, but that's because of modernization, it has nothing to do with changing the meaning of the official terms. There are no "waves", either you're a feminist - or not. The main ideal of feminism is gender equality. Once you stop following the main ideal - you're no longer a feminist... you may falsely call yourself a "feminist" - but you're not, you're a feminazi (female supremacist and misandrist). Just like Stalinists are not genuine Communists.
I could go through the trouble to prove you wrong but it would do no good. You are incorrect and fairly unintelligent, good day.
@JethroNyfi I'm right, and you're wrong & unintelligent, there is nothing you can "prove", good bye now ;)
Sure thing you feminazi!
@JethroNyfi I'm not a feminazi, and you're a sock-puppet ;)