That's the most ironic statement I've ever heard. Let's see if I can try to say something more retarded.
"Real women are trans!"
There, is that even dumber?
You also can't be a giant soy f*ggot with a negative testosterone level who unironically uses terms like "toxic masculinity" and then expect to be taken seriously as a male, of any kind, let alone a "real man." Most male feminists are sexual predators, anyway. Everyone knows that.
This is some peak-ass cringe, @Physics-Man. I've got some equally embarrassing dickless cuck pics of my own on here.
Worst part is, this song wasn't written as satire or parody. They are playing it completely "straight" here as real feminists.https://www.youtube.com/embed/XCkEdB87yGA
Disagree, and vehemently- the damn movement's crippling our daughters and outright killing our sons; the only supporters are either ignorant of its intentions and lured in by their rhetoric, or profiting from it in some way or other. Or both.
You can see just how thoroughly these people mean it with their own phrasing- men are expected to prove that they're "real" men, and have to constantly prove the validity of their masculinity to the people who insist that they're "tearing down gender norms".
I agree because it beats the alternative. I find it depressing how many 30s, 40s, 50s, older men say and/or think sexist things. Offensive and often based on untrue or unfair stereotypes to demean women or make themselves feel better. So I'll take a man calling himself a feminist- not just self-identifying but truly believing in equality- over the alternative. Feel free to ask me for examples of men being sexist because I have plenty.
I think it depends on how you define or perceive feminism. And I think OP is aware that the word itself is controversial. However you perceive the word feminism, I believe we have different definitions and are possibly thinking of two different things.
I'm on women's side on a lot of things, and will help defend their rights and fight for a better future for them, but I've also seen a lot of blatant man-hatting and male sexism under their flag. I'm not saying you're one of them, but a feminist would have to really prove that she is what she says she is if I'm going to fight with her.
Equality is an extremely simple matter. It’s literally black and white. There is no grey area. Feminists support women sharing the same rights and privileges as men, but equality doesn’t end there. Equality would include equal responsibilities and sacrifices. No prominent feminist or feminist organization has ever fought for the latter. There have been ways that men were disadvantaged compared to women since before the feminist movement existed. They’ve never challenged any of them. This is a clear indicator that feminism isn’t about equality, and it never has been. Anyone who suggests otherwise is grossly ignorant or lying.
I would say that way a "real man" treats women with respect and shows them acknowledgement for what they do to a healthy degree.
He knows what he wants and treats people right but that doesn´t mean that he´s overdoing it by giving up his opinion or lets women walk over him. He just shows women in his influence area that they are seen but he doesn´t do that differently than to other guys.
I think a "real man" shows his values by deeds not by holding up signs or wearing T-shirts. Because the guys that hold up signs or wear t-shirts that claim to be feminists are probably the same guys that say they are nice. by the way it´s also way easier than to show what you actually stand for.
So I would disagree with the statement though because it seems to me that feminism has become an ideology that´s good at pointing out problems but is not able to or interested in solving them.
I disagree. When I see a feminists campaigning for equal representation of women on the front line of wars, equal treatment in the justice system, equality in family court for fathers, then maybe I'll listen to them. Otherwise I don't see a campaign for equality, just a movement trying to get what's best for themselves under the guise of equality.
To engage oneself in the matters of the other gender (or any other 'group' or 'movement' in this respect ) somehow signals that I 'believe' they can't take care of it on their own.
I can show respect, tolerance and interest, though. That makes me ''real'' - and not the repeating of the babble of a louder-than-others minority.
"Real Men" go not require social labels, and would not insert themselves into Feminism, as our POV is radically different from theirs, but the opposite is not true, they seem to know what masculinity is, even without having a true frame of reference, everything is a projection from their POV.
Feminism is a hate movement hiding behind language of inclusion. I would never understand how the victim of a haye movement would intentionally identify with it. No, not a real man, a masochist.
Real men aren't feminist. Male feminist are weird. Why would you treat us as equal by complaining about sexism against women when its not even there, follow every feminist trend and dont even compliment us.
It kind reminds me of traditional chivalrists who treat us like were incapabale and weak and soft and always innocent. Two different types of sexism.
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The "real men" phrase is devisive, manipulative, shaming language designed to encourage capitulation.
Surprise, surprise, it's an activist organisation pushing it.
As such, for me, the argument is lost before it's begun.
Do I support women's rights? Hell yeah. Will I fight for their rights if they're at risk? Hell yeah. Do I want women to be treated better HELL YEAH! Do I want to call myself a feminist, or align myself with them? No. Why? Because a lot of them are hypocrites, and just straight up unlikeable. I'm on women's side, but I draw the line on incelish behavior, male and female.
“All men should be feminists. If men care about women's rights the world will be a better place. We are better off when women are empowered – it leads to a better society.” -John Legend
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