Why is Hyper-Masculinity frowned upon?

[Wowgirl10q]

#wowgirl10q#GSP#

I think it's Great...

[404notfound]

I like masculine guy. but when it gets to a point where the guy is so muscular i'm afraid he's going to break me
or if he acts too aggressive and never opens up
I just don't perceive it as being good boyfriend material. The stereotypical masculine guy doesn't seem to be a healthy way of living. Plus hypermasculine guys sometimes seem too eager to prove their dominance and manliness. That makes then less manly in my POV, since confidence is a huge aspect of masculinity, and being insecure about masculinity is quite paradoxal. What a turn off. Like just assume who you are and your interests, whatever they are. If it's wrestling, good for you :) but if it's dancing, or being well dressed it's ok too

[DocilexElle]

you've got a pretty good grasp on this that blends my view and @Wowgirl10q 's view

[Wowgirl10q]

@DocilexElle to me it meant sexy/alpha I'm really learning

[DocilexElle]

Oh yeah?

[DocilexElle]

Hyper-Masculinity usually includes aggressiveness, rape, being angry, being abusive and very muscular. This isn't always the case I understand though.

[Wowgirl10q]

Oh see to me it means man's man.
To me a coward is a rapist
Crazy how different things are viewed.
Maybe your outlook is more popular that's why they are frowned upon. Hummm ,, thank you miss

[Wowgirl10q]

Think your on to something

[DocilexElle]

you're welcome, but like this is honestly probably from a "feminist POV"... I'm friends with a few Hmmm

[Wowgirl10q]

See to you younger girls it means something else I've learned the meaning as totally different. I'm getting why it's frowned upon if that's how it's viewed

[Wowgirl10q]

@DocilexElle
Dislike me usually sadly feminist
Me I'm just a ball buster

[DocilexElle]

See, like my friends with benefits... he's very masculine in APPEARANCE... but inside he's kinda feminine.

[ak667]

I don't know what "hyper-masculinity" means. If it's a good thing like awesomeness, hyper-awesomeness is naturally going to be even more great. If it's not such a good thing like short temper and utilizing violence in unnecessary situations, hyper violence and hyper temper probably isn't a very good thing.

[ak667]

My idea of hyper-masculinity is like this, and it is an awesome thing from an emperor of Rome who feared no one (he could execute them on a second's notice, he's no fucking pushover bitch type):
"To be moved by anger is not manly, but courtesy and kindness, as they are more agreeable to human nature, so also are they more manly; and he who possesses these qualities possesses strength, nerves and courage, and not the man who is subject to fits of rage and discontent. The nearer one's mind is to freedom from anger, the nearer it is to strength, and as pain is a characteristic of weakness, so also is anger. For he who yields to pain and he who yields to anger, both are wounded and submit." -- Marcus Aurelius

Meanwhile if we take Conor McGregor:


He's a badass fighter but he's a fucking child, a "boy". I was like that when I was younger. He might not have fear but he's a weakling in the mind.

[ak667]

He can obviously kick my ass physically, but he's a child mentally and I think him I can destroy him there: throw chairs through windows out of anger and hurting innocent people, including women. That should never be considered "manly". That's a spoiled child with emotional crybaby issues. It's pathetic, not even worthy of a second thought. He needs to man up.

[ak667]

In my most blunt and unfiltered opinion, Conor McGregor is a hyper-feminine bitch. He's a fucking victim of his emotions. He's an "emotional man", driven by impulse. When women say that "men should be more emotional", beware of Conor McGregor. He's an "emotional" bitch type and that's probably what you're asking for if you don't clarify your intentions.

[ak667]

I made a meme for cunty hyper-femininity:

[Wowgirl10q]

I see it as good but my friend views it as a totally different behaviors. So I don't know I guess it depends how you view the word

[Wowgirl10q]

@ak667
I love you
I hate him to
❤️ Diaz Brothers MEN
GSP MAN

[ak667]

(Hugs!) :-)

[Wowgirl10q]

Omg
Who else?
BJ Penn is another he's gone though

[ak667]

I don't know that much about B. J. Penn to be honest. But I was so disappointed in CM because he sounded pretty badass interviews and then I just found him acting like a boyish thug later on. I like Joe Rogan who criticized him. I think he's pretty manly, and not just for the tats and muscle but he seems, more often than not, like a man who thinks about things before he acts.

[ak667]

Joe Rogan is a manly man in my opinion. He'd probably get his ass kicked by Conor McGregor, but he'll still speak his mind either way. He's not one to tolerate bullshit, and he's not one to get into fights for no fucking reason. He's not a stupid and immature asshole, so to speak. He's kind but not as a pushover type. That's a proper man as I see it -- "hyper-masculinity" if you will:

[Wowgirl10q]

❤️❤️❤️❤️he's short

[ak667]

Me too! I'm like a Chihuahua with fierce barking:


Of course I run away when I see bigger guy. :-D

[Wowgirl10q]

Cute lol

[ak667]

Then I feed my male ego by talking about manliness a lot. :-D I think I have a point but maybe I don't actually want to fight with Conor McGregor. I think I could say he's a cunty bitch to his face but then sprint in the opposite direction. I'm a really fast sprinter (100M dash in ~10.5 secs when I was teens, not so bad still in my 30s).

[ak667]

Ugh, hangover. Sorry, I got a bit drunk last night and thinking about Conor McGregor and hyper-masculinity set me off. That wasn't very manly behavior on my part. I reached a point one time in my youth where I was like CM in attitude, even got arrested, resisted arrest, toilet papered my own jail cell, broke security camera, got jail guards coming in and restraining me. I was angry and hurt and looking for a fight, didn't even care if the odds were impossible, and I thought I was being "manly" and strong.

In retrospect that was the weakest I ever was in my life -- so weak and not at all manly, more like a hurt little boy, because I had little capability of solving problems, only making them worse and worse. So it is like a self-hatred I had for my former self that I project onto Conor McGregor, because he reminds me of me back then.

Nowadays I think a truly manly man can come in all sorts of shapes -- from a strong fighter to a brave soldier to a gentle leader -- but the [...]

[ak667]

[...] most important quality of a man as I see it is sufficient self-control so that his emotions don't end up ruining his life.

"He is the most powerful who has power over himself." -- Seneca

[Bananaman177]

Why would a hyper-masculine man care who frowns at him?

[Wowgirl10q]

I love it...

[BlueCoyote]

Nobody frowns upon "hyper-masculinity", that's nonsense. People make fun of men who they think are too feminine, not men who they think are too masculine.

[Gopnik]

i've seen feminists try to bully people into becoming less masculine.

[englisc]

@Gopnik

If you can get bullied by a woman you're probably not very masculine in the first place.

[BlueCoyote]

@Gopnik
I highly doubt these people were feminists because as a feminist myself, I can tell you that feminists typically believe these categories are extremely arbitrary in the first place. It's usually insecure men who think doing a specific action or looking a specific way will make you "more masculine". Personally, I don't believe there is a universally applicable, objective definition of masculinity (or femininity for that matter).

[englisc]

Feminism mainly. Feminism blames masculinity for a lot of things, problems with both men and women.

They talk about toxic masculinity and hyper-masculinity - things like bullying, rape, sexual assault, domestic violence etc. These things have absolutely nothing at all to do with masculinity. Women can be just as guilty of these things, they aren't caused by masculinity. The people who do these things are just fucked in the head.

They attached these things to masculinity simply because they hate masculinity. They'll always deny this and call it nonsense, but I think that's just because they know that if they make their true feelings about it clear that this turns people away from feminism. But everything they encourage in men has to do with men becoming more effeminate, discouraging and pathologizing masculinity.

Soyboys who talk about "hyper-masculinity" and how bad it is do so because they're not masculine. A lot of people attempt to play down and criticise standards that they can't fit. For example with strength training, weak people, because they're too weak and too lazy to train, will accuse those who do train of doing so because they're insecure. If they can turn that thing into a negative because they don't have it and they can flip it on his head, they can feel better about themselves not having it. The same goes for masculinity.

Even the term "hyper-masculinity" is silly. This suggests that one can be "too masculine". Why? Only because they attach these negative things to it. Notice that there's no such thing as "hyper-femininity".

[SirRexington]

The only slight issue here is saying something is "too masculine" is admitting there are masculine traits the first place. Which defeats the notion that it's socially constructed. Claiming someone can't be too masculine though is to suggest that masculinity is not on a spectrum which clearly, it is as some men less masculine than others. That however, does not change the fact they are male. It just means they don't exhibit as many masculine traits as another.

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@SirRexington

I think it's partially socially constructed but also comes from our nature also. All of the things that most people would consider to be masculine traits are basically side effects of testosterone. Testosterone increases physical strength, muscle mass, and it influences socially dominant behaviour, competitive behaviour, risk-taking behaviour. People make a big deal about men being less emotionally expressive than women and being less likely to cry, supposedly "holding back" - testosterone is also linked with low empathy and lower likelihood of crying.

I do think that it's on a spectrum, but my point when I say that there's no such thing as too masculine is that there's no negative to it, just like there's no negative to being too feminine. People just attach those negative things to it when it's unrelated as I mentioned.

[SirRexington]

I agree with you up to the point that you claim their is no such thing as toxic masculinity and femininity. In my opinion their clearly is.

[englisc]

@SirRexington

How?

[SirRexington]

Men whose behavior is that of our ancient male ancestors. Primal. The overly aggressive macho guys who are clearly overcompensating for something else.

Then there are the women who you see often like the misandrists calling themselves feminists.

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@SirRexington

Tbose guys are clearly idiots. But I don't think that has to do with masculinity, they're just idiots. Some would probably consider me to be hyper-masculine, I lift weights, I'm into MMA and boxing, I've always works traditionally male jobs e. g. construction, engineering. But I'm not like those guys. I know guys who for example will kick off and statt a fight just because someone looks at them, that's down to insecurity not masculinity. I can defend myself if I have to but I try to avoid a fight if possible, I'm not interested in ending up in hospital or jail for stupid reasons.

[SirRexington]

None of what you said has anything to do with toxic masculinity. It's behavior and personality traits, not activities you do.

I've martial arts my whole life, I have a temper, but I'm not toxic. You know it when you see it

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@SirRexington

I just think that those things are unnecessarily linked with masculinity. Like I gave the examples of violence and abuse, many studies show that women abuse men at roughly the same rate that men abuse women. Then it makes no sense to say that abuse is caused by hyper-masculinity rather than just people who are fucked in the head. I see that as asshole behaviour, not masculine/feminine behaviour. I think it's separate.

[SirRexington]

But often particular behaviors are influenced by testosterone and estrogen. Making it relevant.

[englisc]

@SirRexington

Hormones matter of course, but things such as violence, abuse, anger problems etc. aren't caused by either. Many people assume that testosterone makes a person more aggressive and violent, however this isn't entirely true. It does increase socially dominant behaviour and competitive behaviour, but not violent behaviour. What tends to cause this kind of violent behaviour is actually the stress hormone cortisol, which is why both genders are capable of these things.

[A-man-22]

They usually dislike guys who are sensitive to the point of abuse both physical and mental.

I'm fine with guys being super muscled protein guzzling machines but they need to respect than not all guys want to be that way and it's not unmanly to show emotions.

Example most super feminine women would try to help a emotionally hurt woman.
But a super masculine man couldn't care less about a man who is emotionally damaged as they see it as weakness.

It's why we don't have masculinism because super manly men don't help other men.
That is what makes Feminists say 'toxic masculinity', even if they do use the term inappropriately.

[SirRexington]

Because it can go too far. Toxic masculinity certainly exists. The problem is that feminists think everything is toxic masculinity.

Are butch women considered to have toxic masculinity then? Or can only men have it? And if that's the case, doesn't that contradict the notion that gender is binary?

[ConnieS]

It doesn't bother me if a man is hyper-masculine, hyper-sensitive, etc. It's how he treats other people that's important; whether he's considerate, sincere, etc. :)

[Edanurus]

Because someone who is doing something to excess is usually a sign of over compensation.

You find it attractive but to everyone else it's annoying they always seem to be trying so hard and expecting everyone around them to see them as good as they think they are. If they were women they would be the 'basic bitch'

[ATuairiscean]

Like a lot of things - Once they don't impact on me, I don't mind them - I am mostly neutral about them

[Pamina]

I don't think it is. It's still mostly the ones who are deemed not masculine enough who are frowned upon the most.

Also, these terms are very vague. There's hardly a definite definition of what "hyper-masculinity" even is. It's very subjective.

[rjroy3]

I don't know of many who actually frown upon it. Of the ones who do they are generally unhappy people, with a judgmental nature.

[MrMysteryMan]

There is such a thing? Maybe if you take too much steroids and your hormones are overly imbalanced, but really it's guys being guys.

[Frankenstein99]

Because we all were in Jr. High at one time but a vast majority of us move passed it. it's funny when you see some never do.

[Legendary_Shark]

Because our society is still 'normal' enough to dislike things that are obnoxious, pointless and a supposed threat.

[TonyBologna25]

The only people who frown on it are incels who can't match up to biological standards or bitter bitches who got hurt by a guy like this.

[SketchForger]

We are conditioned to feel comfortable in certain environments based on how much we feel that we contrast with our own environment.

[Redstang88]

Outside of the media and gender studies class I really don’t think it is.

[Levi_12]

Gitten into a bar fight was one of the most fun things I’ve did

[Syrian_survivor]

I just frown upon it if it harms the man and his body

[Shimy]

It's kind of extreme. Not everyone likes extremes

[Anonymous]

It's only bad when it gets too far such as when guys start getting badly injured or killed.

[Jjpayne]

It's the less emotional side possibly