you've got a pretty good grasp on this that blends my view and @Wowgirl10q 's view
@DocilexElle to me it meant sexy/alpha I'm really learning
Oh see to me it means man's man.To me a coward is a rapist Crazy how different things are viewed.Maybe your outlook is more popular that's why they are frowned upon. Hummm ,, thank you miss
Think your on to something
you're welcome, but like this is honestly probably from a "feminist POV"... I'm friends with a few Hmmm
See to you younger girls it means something else I've learned the meaning as totally different. I'm getting why it's frowned upon if that's how it's viewed
@DocilexElleDislike me usually sadly feministMe I'm just a ball buster
See, like my friends with benefits... he's very masculine in APPEARANCE... but inside he's kinda feminine.
My idea of hyper-masculinity is like this, and it is an awesome thing from an emperor of Rome who feared no one (he could execute them on a second's notice, he's no fucking pushover bitch type):"To be moved by anger is not manly, but courtesy and kindness, as they are more agreeable to human nature, so also are they more manly; and he who possesses these qualities possesses strength, nerves and courage, and not the man who is subject to fits of rage and discontent. The nearer one's mind is to freedom from anger, the nearer it is to strength, and as pain is a characteristic of weakness, so also is anger. For he who yields to pain and he who yields to anger, both are wounded and submit." -- Marcus AureliusMeanwhile if we take Conor McGregor:He's a badass fighter but he's a fucking child, a "boy". I was like that when I was younger. He might not have fear but he's a weakling in the mind.
He can obviously kick my ass physically, but he's a child mentally and I think him I can destroy him there: throw chairs through windows out of anger and hurting innocent people, including women. That should never be considered "manly". That's a spoiled child with emotional crybaby issues. It's pathetic, not even worthy of a second thought. He needs to man up.
In my most blunt and unfiltered opinion, Conor McGregor is a hyper-feminine bitch. He's a fucking victim of his emotions. He's an "emotional man", driven by impulse. When women say that "men should be more emotional", beware of Conor McGregor. He's an "emotional" bitch type and that's probably what you're asking for if you don't clarify your intentions.
I made a meme for cunty hyper-femininity:
I see it as good but my friend views it as a totally different behaviors. So I don't know I guess it depends how you view the word
@ak667I love youI hate him to ❤️ Diaz Brothers MENGSP MAN
Omg Who else?BJ Penn is another he's gone though
I don't know that much about B. J. Penn to be honest. But I was so disappointed in CM because he sounded pretty badass interviews and then I just found him acting like a boyish thug later on. I like Joe Rogan who criticized him. I think he's pretty manly, and not just for the tats and muscle but he seems, more often than not, like a man who thinks about things before he acts.
Joe Rogan is a manly man in my opinion. He'd probably get his ass kicked by Conor McGregor, but he'll still speak his mind either way. He's not one to tolerate bullshit, and he's not one to get into fights for no fucking reason. He's not a stupid and immature asshole, so to speak. He's kind but not as a pushover type. That's a proper man as I see it -- "hyper-masculinity" if you will:
Me too! I'm like a Chihuahua with fierce barking:Of course I run away when I see bigger guy. :-D
Then I feed my male ego by talking about manliness a lot. :-D I think I have a point but maybe I don't actually want to fight with Conor McGregor. I think I could say he's a cunty bitch to his face but then sprint in the opposite direction. I'm a really fast sprinter (100M dash in ~10.5 secs when I was teens, not so bad still in my 30s).
Ugh, hangover. Sorry, I got a bit drunk last night and thinking about Conor McGregor and hyper-masculinity set me off. That wasn't very manly behavior on my part. I reached a point one time in my youth where I was like CM in attitude, even got arrested, resisted arrest, toilet papered my own jail cell, broke security camera, got jail guards coming in and restraining me. I was angry and hurt and looking for a fight, didn't even care if the odds were impossible, and I thought I was being "manly" and strong.In retrospect that was the weakest I ever was in my life -- so weak and not at all manly, more like a hurt little boy, because I had little capability of solving problems, only making them worse and worse. So it is like a self-hatred I had for my former self that I project onto Conor McGregor, because he reminds me of me back then.Nowadays I think a truly manly man can come in all sorts of shapes -- from a strong fighter to a brave soldier to a gentle leader -- but the [...]
[...] most important quality of a man as I see it is sufficient self-control so that his emotions don't end up ruining his life."He is the most powerful who has power over himself." -- Seneca
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i've seen feminists try to bully people into becoming less masculine.
@Gopnik If you can get bullied by a woman you're probably not very masculine in the first place.
@Gopnik I highly doubt these people were feminists because as a feminist myself, I can tell you that feminists typically believe these categories are extremely arbitrary in the first place. It's usually insecure men who think doing a specific action or looking a specific way will make you "more masculine". Personally, I don't believe there is a universally applicable, objective definition of masculinity (or femininity for that matter).
The only slight issue here is saying something is "too masculine" is admitting there are masculine traits the first place. Which defeats the notion that it's socially constructed. Claiming someone can't be too masculine though is to suggest that masculinity is not on a spectrum which clearly, it is as some men less masculine than others. That however, does not change the fact they are male. It just means they don't exhibit as many masculine traits as another.
@SirRexingtonI think it's partially socially constructed but also comes from our nature also. All of the things that most people would consider to be masculine traits are basically side effects of testosterone. Testosterone increases physical strength, muscle mass, and it influences socially dominant behaviour, competitive behaviour, risk-taking behaviour. People make a big deal about men being less emotionally expressive than women and being less likely to cry, supposedly "holding back" - testosterone is also linked with low empathy and lower likelihood of crying. I do think that it's on a spectrum, but my point when I say that there's no such thing as too masculine is that there's no negative to it, just like there's no negative to being too feminine. People just attach those negative things to it when it's unrelated as I mentioned.
I agree with you up to the point that you claim their is no such thing as toxic masculinity and femininity. In my opinion their clearly is.
Men whose behavior is that of our ancient male ancestors. Primal. The overly aggressive macho guys who are clearly overcompensating for something else.Then there are the women who you see often like the misandrists calling themselves feminists.
@SirRexingtonTbose guys are clearly idiots. But I don't think that has to do with masculinity, they're just idiots. Some would probably consider me to be hyper-masculine, I lift weights, I'm into MMA and boxing, I've always works traditionally male jobs e. g. construction, engineering. But I'm not like those guys. I know guys who for example will kick off and statt a fight just because someone looks at them, that's down to insecurity not masculinity. I can defend myself if I have to but I try to avoid a fight if possible, I'm not interested in ending up in hospital or jail for stupid reasons.
None of what you said has anything to do with toxic masculinity. It's behavior and personality traits, not activities you do. I've martial arts my whole life, I have a temper, but I'm not toxic. You know it when you see it
@SirRexington I just think that those things are unnecessarily linked with masculinity. Like I gave the examples of violence and abuse, many studies show that women abuse men at roughly the same rate that men abuse women. Then it makes no sense to say that abuse is caused by hyper-masculinity rather than just people who are fucked in the head. I see that as asshole behaviour, not masculine/feminine behaviour. I think it's separate.
But often particular behaviors are influenced by testosterone and estrogen. Making it relevant.
@SirRexington Hormones matter of course, but things such as violence, abuse, anger problems etc. aren't caused by either. Many people assume that testosterone makes a person more aggressive and violent, however this isn't entirely true. It does increase socially dominant behaviour and competitive behaviour, but not violent behaviour. What tends to cause this kind of violent behaviour is actually the stress hormone cortisol, which is why both genders are capable of these things.