Are men & women who refuse to date trans women & men, respectively, insecure bigots?

[Physics-Man]

Yes

No

[BeingSingleSucks]

Lol. You can't change your gender. It's a biological construct. Those who think they can change from one to the other have a mental disability. Do I want to date a man pretending to be a woman? HELL NO. 🤮🤮. Real women only. It's preference, not discrination.

[TadCurious]

No. They're just grounded in reality and straight.

[Fredde199]

Careful bro.. the SJW are gonna come down on you hard 🤣

[TadCurious]

Thanks for MHO!

[Unit1]

@Fredde199 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7CgWH8jX4

[tøp1996]

Nope, I would rather it be a man with a real penis. Then someone of the same gender that decided to be a man. And I date to marry. I just don’t date for fun or just to be with someone

[Anonymous]

No its hetrophobic to expect a person to be homosexual

[InTimoreDei]

Exactly.

[Unit1]

I agree!

[WhiteSteve]

Ok, so I really tried to hear this out. I can appreciate some aspect of what -is it “they” now?- were saying. I’m a big “do you” guy. With precious few exclusions, I could not give a fuck less what people who aren’t me are doing as long as they don’t fuck with my life or the life of anyone I hold dear. Trans stuff is no exception. You wanna be trans, knock yourself the fuck out, you should be out in the open, live life like everyone else, totally cool with that, doesn’t change anything about how I live. But you just can’t tell me how my own attractions work, I’m sorry. I’ve actually thought of how tough it must be for trans people out in the dating world, because it seems like you’d almost be relegated to other trans people, just going on what the social climate seems to be. I don’t really know what the solution to that is, but it’s also not on me to figure out, I’ll just do my part by not being a dick about it if I were ever to be confronted with such a situation. I think the point of the video wasn’t necessarily calling everyone a bigot though, it was asking people to re-examine their biases, which is fair. I think it’s important for us all to re-examine anything we believe to be fact from a young age, and really know for sure where we’re coming from with our own opinions. That said, while the “you might be surprised” idea they’re pushing here in terms of someone not having the appropriate genitalia might work for someone out there, but I’m not that guy. I wish everyone the best, I want to see everyone doing great, but a naturally occurring vagina is just one thing I can’t budge on. I can’t speak for everyone, but my penis desires a vagina. I don’t know how else to put it. We could have incredible connections on every other level, a trans person could absolutely conceivably be my best friend in the world, but without that natural vagina, I’d disagree and contend that it IS innate, at least for me, that I could never be attracted in a romantic way. How anyone else operates, I can’t say or draw broad conclusions from my own feelings. Wish everyone the best though, so be decent and don’t be an asshole these folks, or anyone👍

[BeeNee]

This was really articulated well. I'm a big live your life and be happy sort of person too with the same caveats---as long as you're not hurting yourself/others/me. If being trans is who a person is, be that, live it, love it, be authentic, but one cannot essentially demand that others go out with you...just because you exist. I would say that to anyone who stamps their feet and says, "you SHOULD want to date me." We're propositioned by people all through our lives and most people do not go out with every single person that asks them to and we could sit here all day and analyze, well this person must be this or that because they didn't want to date this person, but there is a vast difference between saying no, I like what I like, sorry not sorry, and as you so eloquently put it, 'being an a-hole' about how you treat others. If I respect ones choice to be trans, then that same respect must be given to me in my choice to date whomever I personally choose to date.

[itsjustlife75]

Nope that's bs. I think that me bullying you, belittling you and constantly being rude and having no respect for you as a person because of the way you are makes me s bigot. Me not wanting to date you because you were not born a man. So you're not a "real" man (imo) just means you're not my type.

If you want to be trans that's your choice and I'm not going to hate on you for it. But you can't force people to go out with you.

[MrOracle]

Getting surgery and taking hormones to look like the opposite gender doesn't make you that gender, anymore than this guy's tattoos, implants, and other alterations make him a lizard.

While I defend your right to do with your body as you wish, that doesn't obligate me to be attracted to it.

[Cask23]

Right now this is a question on GAG, but believe me the far left is moving in this direction and will push this upon society.

Mate selection is one of the last remaining areas where personal baises are permitted. Don't want to date an ugly, short, brunette, obese person OK. Even extends to race and religion. It's still OK to turn down advances of someone of a different race or religion and no one is going to public shame you.

Can you imagine a world where the leftests use societal pressure to prevent you from having your choice of mate?

Turn down advances from a transvestite, your name will be publicly shamed by a mob on Twitter and you labeled as a bigot. Heck it may even result in you loosing your job if you work for a left leaning company culture.

[Sixgun77]

We should be fighting marxists, not voting for them. It's disgusting.

[aicarg]

No. I have no issue with someone who cares to transition/tramsform their body - it isn't my choice or place to belittle and treat the personal person any differently. However, whom I personally choose to date and be with is my own personal choice. I have a preference in a person's sexual identity.

[Christiangirl99]

No just hetrosexual men. Are transexual women sexist homophobic bigots for refusing to date biological women? Are homosexual men transphobic for refusing to date transexual men?

[BesrkirAstrid]

In my experience yep, I trans woman is a woman however from what I gather men that reject me is based on my gender ID, for example I had one guy that wanted me to sextet him and be dirty, when I told before I tried to do anything that I had a penis he withdrew and said "sorry am not gay" this happens more than you think but as often as people make out, on the other hand people make a bee line for me because of my penis so it goes two ways, if I put a tally on it it’s 80% too 10% and then another 10% the 80 is me getting rejected for my penis and the 10% is being a fetish the other 10% is when guys see me as a straight relationship. Hope this helps.

[Partywithtom]

Lol everyone of the opposite sex is seen as a fetish. It just depends on the degree of it. Because you're not like other women who experience what you classify as fetish behavior 10% of the time they see it 90% of the time. Becoming trans you've just seriously diminished your dating pool size but still get some "fetish" behavior that all men and women exhibit

[Guanfei]

A trans"woman" is not a woman, it's a dude. You can get fake boobs, cut your dick, that doesn't change what you are deep inside. Deal with it.
Not wanting to date a trans doesn't make us bigots. We're straight, and that's all there is to it.

[intjgamer]

Interesting. I would see it as a straight relationship if the trans woman is a clear pass. Like unless you clarified people would think you are a traditional woman. Intimacy should be private anyway.

[BesrkirAstrid]

@Partywithtom well I only have what I got in my dating experience, so I did nothing only gave you what I got nothing more however you’re entitled to you pr opinion. Fetish behaviour to me is seeing me as a piece of meat not the Lady I am ^^.

@Gunanfei am sorry you feel that way, however your opinion is your ps and it is your right to have one, a trans woman in my opinion is a woman and last time I checked my boobs have no scare they grew on their own through HTR treatment I recommend you go to a GIC and ask for a handbook on how HTR works then you would know not all trans woman have "fake" boobs.

@imtjgamer i like your opinion however the only thing I disagree with is if you see someone who looks like they use to be male and they wear a dress then they are still a woman, gender disphoria is very hard to live with as seen in the comment above your he is classic and proves my point 90% will see me as a male and thus are single minded bigots *hugs*

[Guanfei]

Not, your boobs didn't grow "on their own", you made them grow with hormones. You're a dude, deal with it. You were born a dude, and you can do whatever you want to your body, cut any part, add any part, take any chemical you want, you are a dude. Without the will to superficially modify your body, you'd have nothing of a woman, there is nothing natural in this. Without this, you'd look as much as a guy as I do. And genetically you're a guy. You very core is one of a guy.
That's not an opinion, that's a fact. You're delusional, not me. You're denying what you are, not me. And not dating you doesn't make me a bigot or homophobic.
I'm straight and I date girls. You're not a girl. Again, deal with it.

[BesrkirAstrid]

@Guanfei you said countless times that I am a dude, guy like your trying to convince yourself off something, up an I can say after life does get better even. That being said I know am a girl and that fact is fine nothing wrong with being MTF (the term doctors use meaning male too female) however in the beginning I looked not as feminine needed long hair to soften my face but I passed so no I looked less masculine than you.
Homophobia is when you attack a gay like you are me so no your right your not homophobic your transphobic, however at my "very core" you mean the X/Y right? See people love to leave out the brain, through modern medical Science you can tell through the brain who is female by looking at the brain, my brain is large like a mans but it’s structure is the same as a girls, that is a fact so no even on my "very core".
Your straight? So am a girl thus making rejection based on my gender I. D in fact makes you a bigot it’s rather simple tbh. As for me being delusional well I only could accept myself after seeing a therapist you see transphobic people gave me hell so I didn’t do jack about it then after being diagnosed and treated I then came out as trans and thus my life actually got better, so am probably seiner than you.

[BesrkirAstrid]

@Guanfei so your entitled to your faulty perception of me, however am not the object of your anger.

[Guanfei]

I'm not angry, I'm stating a fact. You are a man. And whatever else you think you are, you're wrong.
Nothing in what you said make sense. Your problem is that you don't accept that people refuse to date a guy, even if he has boobs.
Sorry, but I date real girls. Not made up patchworks. Because I'm straight, you know, that's what we do, dating girls. Which you are not. Therefore I won't date you, that doesn't make me homophobic, just straight.
In fact, you're the one mad here because you can't force your own made up belief on other.
Guys won't date you, ever. Unless you lie to them and tell them you're a girl, but as soon as they'll realize, you're single again. Facts.
Deal with it. If facts annoys you, then the problem isn't facts, but you.

[0112358]

Upvoted did actually adding some useful perspective on how people react.

[BesrkirAstrid]

@Gunafei listen I am in a relationship with a straight man who dates only woman and from what I can tell it is only people in the US that think this way however again you are entitled to your opinion, again your right homosexuality has nothing to do with as am straight and woman ^^. Am far from upset in fact am quite relaxed, no matter how , any times you call me a man, dude etc your only sounding like your trying to convince yourself.
If you don’t find I making no sense then there is one problem and Thant has nothing to do with me, there are plenty of people around (both from clinical and family) that accept me for what is am ^^ at this point you cannot tear me down. As a woman I find myself surrounded be men that want me, one guy he was super fit! He treated me like the girl I am plus he told me many times that I was beautiful more beautiful than any cis woman ^^ I was really happy with him, life got actually got better, so go ahead use false logic and half facts because sir you so very very wrong from a clinical and social point of view am not even mad at you because it is only YOUR opinion which means nothing to me.

[BesrkirAstrid]

@Guanfei you’ll find out that once you accept yourself for wha you are mind body and soul you’ll live a happier life, I say this because you sound like your projecting your own feelings on to me, this is because of how many times you say "man" then attack me, then make a statement that "am not homophobic" like your trying to tell yourself your not gay, nor homophobic. Why do feel like your attracted to men? Or do you feel angry at me because am "allowed" express myself something you feel you cannot do?
Whatever it is that your struggling to come to terms with talking and therapy can help, I would recommend you seek out help from a mental health team, they can help you.
However feel free too PM me if you need too talk although face too face is a lot more effective than online, it can still help a lot while you wait 😙😙.

[Guanfei]

Basic lame accusation of homophobia once someone doesn't agree with you. Classic. Yet as fake as your belief that you're a woman.
Deal with it.

[BesrkirAstrid]

Is my last message it doesn’t say what your accusing me off please show me were I called you that. I was only saying what it looks like you were doing and everything in my last message was psychological report, not an accusation as I keep saying so, etching you seem to be having a hard time with, you cannot be homophobic because am NOT gay (I used capital letters so that it stands out hopefully you get the point)

Seems to me like you just want a emotional response from me so that you can as you say treat me like a "classic trans woman" were you will bait me into saying something so the rest off the world agrees with you, well sorry to burst your bubble but I know there is no point in shouting screaming or kicking off, it proves me to the bad guy however am only reasoning with you as you seem to be struggling with personal issues, i merely want you to get help nothing more so please stop putting words in my mouth am not accusing you of anything ^^.

[Guanfei]

That's where you're wrong. I don't want anything from you, I just stated a fact, which you didn't like. Whether you react to it or not won't change that fact. So, don't answer if you don't want to, answer if you want, but that won't change anything.
You're a guy, deal with it. And I won't treat you like a woman, even less like a datable woman, because you're not. Now what you think of it doesn't matter much, because what's nice with a fact is that it's true, whether you believe it or not.

[BesrkirAstrid]

I see you dodged the question where did I call you homophobic?

I don’t care how you treat me you what too see me as a man do it, you want too strip away years of work that isn’t my problem, your free too do as you please and you have no facts just falsified facts and half truths nothing more ^^.

However everything you’ve said and are saying it’s doesn’t brother me so don’t tell me how am feeling after all I should know what am feeling, if you disagree then disagree that is your right as a person. I never asked you too use female pronounces nor do I have any intention too do so, your just showing yourself up.

After all the guys that find me desirable that have a history with only females, after all the people that call me "her, she etc ", after all the people female encounters I have had your the only person trying too shame me for it which is too me means nothing, I have people who work with trans people every day and even they have shown me, if I get rejected for my penis then fine I have a penis not everyone likes them, but if I don’t (which I won’t have one forever ^-^) then they are bigots (that is what am guilty of calling you but again that is my opinion in which we are all entitled too have).
So far I have been nice too you and you’ve been rude, I have given you my attention and you keep saying "deal with it" which so far tells me you want too deal with something... so I made a suggestion you didn’t want to take my advice (that is your right). I will keep responding too you because am not threatened nor do I care how you see me am here for a debate so I will have one ^_^. Thank you for giving the me the option too leave or stay not like I needed it but thank you anyway.

[Rissyanne]

@intjgamer dude if you want to be with a trans woman... you aren’t straight

[BesrkirAstrid]

@intjgamer listen mate your entitled too your opinion however so am I, in my opinion am as gay as every other woman however I do not care how you see me ^_^ obviously at this point am just repeating myself but that is okay by me, in every GIC they put you down as straight if your a trans woman that likes men same for the guys, the term "she change" is very simple too grasp but I guess that is me.

[Rissyanne]

He’s not straight if he’s in a relationship with you. He’s gay or bisexual. Straight men don’t date other men. You’re not a woman

[BesrkirAstrid]

@Rissyanne your have the right too your opinion however in mine (I will react this as many times as I have too and no I don’t not care how you see me nor can I control how you see me and I really don’t want too either) my boyfriend is a straight and I am a woman p, in my culture we accept trans woman as woman simply because through medical science we know that trans woman are in fact woman in men’s bodies p, by looking at the brain which mine is female, so a, a straight woman because I like men, your right in the fact that straight men don’t date other men hence why am not a man so I date straight men, simply because gay men will not date me on the biases am a woman ^^, I look like one I act like one I talk like one and I move like one, however you can see that even woman can be bigots at this point I hope you can all see that not all left wing trans woman shout scream or get emotional, simply because am neither emotional nor am I screaming, name calling etc but am being rather polite and give out the facts as they are and as Morden medical science has proven through years off research it is just a fact.

I will know that everyone is entitled too their view, I neither have desire too nor I can I control how another thinks, hence why it’s a debate and I will repeat myself as many times I have too, I spend everyday as a woman, in public and behind closed doors everyone who sees me knows who I am, I have female lifestyle I have female outlook on life and I blend into female society very easily without effort.

[Rissyanne]

Dude you can wear all the makeup you want... you are still a guy. And your boyfriend is gay. Straight men don’t suck dick.

[BesrkirAstrid]

Yeah you said however I can see your only trying too push your opinion onto me simply because you can see I have a different opinion.

So your attempt too gaslight me isn’t going too work. by the way am sorry you feel the way you feel, but I can at least accept your faulty perception off me ^…^.

[Rissyanne]

Lol you are quite delusional

[BesrkirAstrid]

No am just have a different opinion and this app/website is for people too debate and put their opinion across that they formed based on facts, however my mental health is non of your business nor you concern as I am more than stable more than likely than you are as I accepted your opinion and gave you mine, I never was rude nor did I call you names or used insults something you can’t claim as you just did tried to insult me.
I kept saying "your entitled too your opinion" than gave you mine (that is a debate) however you seem to not accept mine just threw out insults which means your not debating your hackling which is called "cyber bulling" then you tried too repeat yourself pushing your views onto me which again isn’t a debate.
So I accept your view you made based on my gender identity and I accept you feel am gay and I accept that you for whatever reason feel am delusional even though my therapist gave me the all clear and gave me praise based on logical I am however above I respect all your viewpoints but I disagree with them ^^.

[Rissyanne]

Stop playing the victim

[BesrkirAstrid]

Am no playing anything am making observations nothing more, am only a "victim" if I allow myself too be one which I am not and far from one. But your entitled too your opinion ^^.

[Rissyanne]

Ok dude

[BesrkirAstrid]

Fair enough pal ^^

[Fredde199]

Let's say you have a friend who is schizophrenic.. would you tell that person "yes do what the voices are telling you"... my point being according to the DSM5 what we are talking about is a mental disorder and should be treated as such. Just look at what some idiot parents are doing to their kids now.. putting them on puberty blockers and so on. And can we please stop using the word "transition" as if it were a natural human process. This is just like the whole fat acceptance thing that is going on right now.. if you are obese you are unhealthy so don't try and indoctrinate young people that it is not... it's simple.. If you expend more energy than you consume you will loose weight... but even that basic scientific fact is now being questioned by the fat people who don't want to stop eating and start moving.

[vald9inches]

Lmfao that landslide 😂😂😂 trans people and supporters need to get over themselves people will date who they want to date you can’t force or shame someone into dating another person. Trans women should date trans other trans men or anyone else in the lgbtq community you can’t force straight people to change their orientation

[PinkChampagne]

Why would they be insecure? They just like men who are men and women who are women... Difference in the liking... What's the big deal... Why always need to search how to turn someone who reject into the bad one... They just have different preference... Nothing here talks for insecurities

[Dark93]

No. Im just disgusted by the thought of being intimate with someone who use to be a man. I could never imagine mutilating my body in such a way and I lose respect for anyone who does it and also feel pity for them that they have to change so much and disfigure their body to be happy

[grega239]

ffs. this guy. no, not wanting to date trans people doesn't make me an insecure bigot. people who would try and shame for it are insecure bigots. if you have a dick you're not a woman and if you have a vagina you're not a man. end of story

[Physics-Man]

This question is a response to that video I watched up there, which, by the way, has an absurd number of thumbs down. I just want to see what this community thinks about it.

[Nachowedgie]

It deserves every thumbs down it gets. I'm even going to go give it one right now.

[grega239]

i saw that video some time ago. and im not bothered by the trans stuff. the logic behind the argument pisses me off to no end. "if you dont date me, you hate people like me".

[Physics-Man]

I agree.

[Factshurt90]

No, If I want to date a dude I want a guy. Not some guy made on a doctors table. 🙄
Same with girls.

[Anonymous]

He's technically not wrong, it's not a preference. A preference is a greater liking to one than the other. It means to prefer but when you prefer something it doesn't mean you don't like the other. I prefer women shorter than me. That's my preference but I'm not against dating a woman taller than me. I prefer to get 8 hours of sleep but I'm willing to sacrifice some sleep to watch the rest of this movie. I don't prefer women over men or mtf trans. I "only want" my S. O. to be a woman and not a man and not a mtf trans.

It's not that I don't prefer mtf trans... It's that I only want a person with a real vagina.

[Indigo-Alyssa]

No, just like it’s fine to refuse someone for any other reason. If you’re not attracted to them then you’re not attracted to them. No ones forcing you to date anyone. You can date who you wants, just don’t be transphobic.

[Spawnface]

Dudes that are actually gay but are trapped in straight relationships always feel ackward throughout the endeavor. This happens with dudes that are actually straight but somehow found themselves in a gay relationship. These people don't have the ability to choose what they are attracted to, otherwise if they did then they old christian argument of love the sinner, not the sin, arguing homosexuality is a immoral choice would be reinstated as true.

[taleswapper]

No. Most of them are quite secure in their tastes. Are they bigots? Eh... probably.

On those occasions I've dated a trans woman, it was a surprise, but I went with it. Because if I'm attracted to someone, their genes (or genitals, if they're pre-op), isn't that big a deal to me. I dated one woman who only wanted to have sex with her clothes on, and anal. The second time we had sex, I flipped her over, saw that she still had a cock, and gave her head. That was the last time she had a problem with hot sweaty naked sex... ;)

[Holistic]

I like people with some self esteem and confidence in their body. That's why I don't date people insecure enough to get plastic surgery or a sex change, not because I'm transphobic.

[Rissyanne]

I love these guys who say they would date a tranny yet they are straight. You aren’t straight if you date someone that has a dick or used to have a dick

[Logorithim]

Probably just virtue signaling on their part.

[Anonymous]

I am a straight male therefore I am biologically programmed to want a female as a partner. Someone with XX chromosomes.

It doesn’t matter if a male get’s his dick pushed up into his body and gets fake tits... he is still a male dressed as a female. His chromosomes are still XY and he can’t birth children.

[Opinion Owner]

And Why should other people be accepting of their chosen gender when they themselves weren’t accepting of the one they were given at birth?

[hahahmm]

It gets complicated if the trans looks & acts 100% like a woman because you won’t even know. But I bet those kind of trans don’t even tell anybody they are that

[Opinion Owner]

You will know when you see the pussy because it doesn’t look right.

And if you do get fooled somehow and find out later that they didn’t disclose it to you, when you are in court for their murder, it should be seen as a crime of passion based on a dude lying to you about being a dude.

[hahahmm]

For sure it would be a bad idea for a trans not to reveal themselves before getting intimate in any way.