Feminists constantly talk about toxic masculinity. The American Psychology Association just recently said that traditional masculinity is very harmful to men's mental health. Today apparently one of the worst things you can say to a guy is "man up".
A feminist named Christina Hoff Sommers wrote a book titled "The War On Boys" where she talks about the way young boys are pretty much punished for exhibiting natural male behaviour, how schools have become increasing female-oriented. In many school now apparently games such as cops and robbers have been banned along with tug of war, dodgeball because apparently these games are too competitive and violent. Some have even banned the game "tag" because apparently being "it" might hurt a child's self-esteem. They've taken away almost all competition, something which boys naturally thrive on. They're obsessed with pushing gender-neutral bullshit onto children, especially boys. Many boys nowadays, because they're naturally full of energy but aren't allowed to let off steam the way they would naturally, are diagnosed with ADHD when they can't sit still and be quiet, and are fed Ritalin. This is why 80% of ADHD children are boys.
This also shows itself in the way many young parents raise their sons. I have sons, and I don't allow any of the gender-neutral bullshit to be pushed on them. Most women my age we know with sons do though. It's like an obsession for them. They'll always ask "what would you do if your son wore a dress/played with make-up/played with dolls?" and they're all like "yeah it's fine he's just being himself". When I say I won't allow it they think I'm a terrible parent. My sons love most typical boy things anyway: cars, motorbikes, wrestling, guns etc. Like most boys they'll pick up anything and pretend that it's a weapon. One of my girlfriend's friends said that she shouldn't let them do those things because they might turn into violent psychopaths, that she should buy them a pink pram and a doll. That's the mentality of stupid young women today.
Then we have feminists who constantly talk about the need to redefine masculinity for the modern age. They basically want to teach men to act more like women. Women here have told me that a guy who wears hot pink, make up etc. is probably more masculine than a man who wouldn't because he sees those things as feminine things.
Weak men are also just as bad as those women. If you say that you lift weights for example, they'll tell you that you're insecure. That's a common insult towards masculine men in general - with this idea that men's default nature is actually to want to be more like women and that we're just holding back, any time a man does masculine things it must be out of insecurity according to these people. In reality those "men" are just looking to flip the values upside down and claim that weakness is strength, so that they can be considered strong and masculine. Or they try to devalue masculinity itself because they're just not masculine, like a fat girl will try to argue that real men like curves, a poor guy will argue that women who care at all about men who have money are all golddigging whores etc.
You have to be blind not to see that our culture is obsessed with emasculating men. Those who claim that it isn't, for example those who say that when they're talking about toxic masculinity and not masculinity itself, usually have no clue as to what masculinity really is. They have no idea about male nature, especially the women.
The trouble is that too many men listen to the bullshit.
Woah fantastic response. You meantioned about boys being punished for their natural behavior, SO true. It's terrible. Wrestling, competition, and "violent" play are crucial to development. When I have boys it's gonna be encouraged.
yes they are
the earth is run by satanist
and one of the goals in their book is to weaken the men of the nation
Absolutely. Men are supposed to act according to their own biology, which is masculine. I think nowadays especially women are trying to teach men how they should be (more like them) and that's just so wrong on many levels.
men doesn't look like that in this years? ur just overrating
huh?
the photos dont state the truth, that was all i said? i dont think that society trying to emasculate men, if society does well we can see the results of "most masculine men's behaviors" in saudi arabia now.
https://youtu.be/vTyczkAkM2Y
Quite ironic that only youngsters seem to think otherwise. But, There you go. In case you think I'm making it up. 😉
I watched the video and i agreed with all this man have said. but this is not a worldvide problem, at least we dont have such problems in east. that made me little bit confused. If the media we are talking about the western media then i agree with you ofc.
i dunno i have tatar origin and muslim tatar guys aren't effeminite. you can see this from khabib nurmagomedov. (he is russian tatar) they are so macho and some of them think that they have every right to molest women just because they are men. by all of those you can understand why did i wrote this :)
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Sad but true. Men, masculinity and traditional gender roles are definitely under attack by the fringe elements of the liberal community who try to force androgyny and metrosexuality onto men, while forcing women to be more masculine.
They like to claim that masculinity and femininity are purely conceptual and cultural but fail to acknowledge that there are biological aspects to masculinity and femininity as well and thus many traits are universal rather than cultural.
You hit it on the head. All these tattooed up macho women men wanna be's. If masculinity was as bad as they say, then why are the women trying to be a bad thing especially Unholywood.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but is a guy that wants to grow his hair or a woman who wants to be physically stronger (even though not bodybuilder-looking) than his male partner inherently wrong?
@UncleJessieRabbit No, there are many masculine men with long hair and many strong feminine women. Look at guys like Jason Momoa he has long hair but he’s still very masculine and look at women like Ronda Rousey, she’s strong but she’s still feminine.
The meme is symbolic of what happens when the fringe groups force their ideas onto the masses.
They're trying to redefine masculinity. Some of that is good and some of that is bad.
Women try to redefine masculinity and then complain about there not being any “real” men out there
The best thing you can do is NOT listen to them but watch who they date vs who they don’t. Emulate successful men. Forgive yourself for making beta mistakes, but don’t make them again.
I don’t know why women encourage men to be “nice” and encourage beta behavior. I especially hate it when mothers do this to their sons
And they're trying to redefine femininity too to be masculine. Don't know if you've noticed that, just saying.
@ThisAndThat they go in weird directions on that. They say women are big independent and tough, but then argue that women should get time off work because their feelings were hurt by the Demore memo. They claim women are just as if not more competent than men at many things... yet we need special hiring initiatives because they can’t get hired on their own merit. A lot of it doesn’t make sense to me.
Exactly. And they have to lower the bar in order to allow women to pass certain things men already pass. That's not empowerment, it's the same position only cheating by lowering the standards to call it empowerment. Call it the empowering the inferior when the assignment calls for more.
Some women are saying that men should change (hello Gillette ad), but even those women have a conscious or unconscious bias about how a "real man" should be of a traditional description.
@UncleJessieRabbit Yes and they should do the right thing, which is to leave men alone. How would they like it if men said they weren't sufficient and wanted to change them? Easy answer, they wouldn't, they wouldn't like it at all.
haha men then
vito corleone
tony montana
the rat pack in some movie
rambo
ahhh. thanks i needed a laugh. that was good
A lot if this is not accurate. Most men werent wearing black tie suits and smoking cigars lol and how far back is then? Vikings had long hair and olden time European dudes were kilts which would be mocked as skirts. In Asian cultures, men wear clothing that we would describe as dresses and that's traditional not new. You seem to have no concept of actual history.
So on top of being uneducated enough to actually discuss what you're attempting to, you also are yet another man who thinks womens empowerment means something negative for men. You must not be a very strong or confident man if women not being subservient is the only way you can feel good about your manhood. I always find that hilarious. I'm surrounded by strong feminist men in my life who are comfortable in their masculinity and not threatened by strong women or shifts in gender roles to give women more opportunities than they had before. Yet all these anti-feminist men are moaning and crying about women becoming more self-sufficient and independent and now they feel lost in their roles as men. That's weak as hell. I dont understand these women who want men like that. The weakest, most pathetic attitude ever to need someone to be reduced for you to feel good about yourself.
Literally nobody mocked kilts, because newsflash - dress like garments were armor for soldiers to protect the legs. Look up gambessons.
Asian men did NOT wear dresses, only officials. On the field they wore pants.
YOU have no concept of history.
Female empowerment IS a bad thing for men. Look up the meaning of hypergamy.
"Strong feminist men" no. That's not a thing. There are men profiting from feminism who are strong, and exploit stupid feminists... And there are weak feminist men.
@Benedek38 a simple question: why is female empowerement a bad thing?
@Mi2mi2a
I told you. Hypergamy.
Short rundown.
Women look for men of high status. Higher than them.
If the womem enter the workforce, the higher they get individually, the less their opportunities will be in terms of dating as they pass more andmore men in status.
Meanwhile men care more about beauty and personality, which is evenly distributed along the social hierarchy of women. Thus the most successful man WON'T necessarily go for the most successful woman.
Additionallt, due to gynocentrism, men prioritize women. This can be seen everywhere - men are falling behind in education and earnings, not to mention health. This leads to even MORE lonely women who don't wany to trade down.
Humans are NOT a matriarchal society, and evne if we were, productivity would plummet due to men's depression, and women's frustration over not finding ideal men.
Basically, female empowerment leads to a matriarchak society, which leads to social descent, lack of morals, lack of reliable hierarchical structure, and untimately a useless, anarchistic society with stunted progress in temrs of technology. We'd go back to the stone age.
@Mi2mi2a think about it EVERY great human civikization was patriarchal. Do you know why? Because men think in hierarchies. And hierarchies are a grear foundation for a complex society - all but one has a boss, and everyone knows what they are doing.
Women think less hierarchically, as such there is always fragmentation to small groups. This is why girls change their girlfriend every other week.
@Benedek38
No my dear. The argument was not that they were mocked during their time, but that comparing what was once worn to what we think of as masculine today in our culture, as the original post does, would result in many traditional practices and common expressions of masculinity throughout history being judged or mocked. TODAY we would call kilts skirts and mock them, and yes there are Asian (and african) traditional garments that men wear that westerners would mock as dresses. I'm not interested in the repetition of anti-feminist arguments today. I've encountered them all and its unimpressive and a waste of time to discuss. Enjoy your thursday!
I don't think anyone mocks kilts, at least nobody I know does. There's literally nothing feminine about a pair of hairy, musculwr ginger legs sticking out from under a garment wrapped around your waist.
Same goes for traditional Japanese apparel. I have done karatewe had gis. There was zero thing feminine about it.
Feminism took these differences in fashion, and used them to prive the malleability of masculinity - except masculinity was NEVER malleable. It had different manifestations, but generally there is a defining trait among cultures for what is masculine and what is not.
That thing is confidence and strength of bodu, and strength of spirit.
Anon... Who the Hell is mocking kilts? I wear mine as an Irishman quite proudly thank you very much and many other Irish and scottish men do too. Have you even see a highlander regiment or bagpipe group?
We wear kilts and are very much still masculine. Lol.
Absolutely. What we have to realize is that there are high proportions of social liberals and gay men in the media and advertising. They are drawn to these fields, and they are naturally going to try to push representations of what they find meaningful and interesting about being a man in the products they sell to the consumer world.
To them, a traditional masculine man is something of an anachronism, a dinosaur, a caricature that should be ridiculed in one of these commercials that mocks "dad" figures by making them appear as fools. By contrast, what interests gays and liberals in the media about the contemporary male experience are men who are living "alternate" lifestyles--gay men, transgenders, transvestites, effeminate guys, punks, goths, foreigners, etc. Basically anything outside the mainstream of masculinity is what they want to represent in media and advertising.
So, to your question, do they want to emasculate men? I would say, by and large, yes, they do want to emasculate men, if we take the word by it's denotation of "to weaken." They want to show these unmasculine men as a counterbalance to what they view as "toxic" masculinity, traditional men serving in traditional roles. Gays and liberals have never been a part of that traditional masculinity, so they certainly aren't going to celebrate it. Rather, they want to reduce it in prominence, while at the same time elevating both alternate men and women in status, given that women are the natural allies of gays and liberals.
We are just confused as fuck. Women can’t teach men how to be men. But that’s exactly what they have been trying to do for the last 50 years via single mothers, feminism in public education, etc.
It’s easy to call this newer generation of guys pussies. And maybe they are. But the didn’t spontaneously come into existence. They were conditioned thanks to feminism.
But now im seeing this huge alpha punk ass back lash. Keeps telling guys they are less than men if they don’t act like a douche bag. This confuses guys as well.
We just need more fathers and more men and WOMEN standing up against radical feminism. That new gillete metoo commercial was absolutely disgusting.
Thanks. You can’t teach a nice guy to become a douche bag. He will never be able to pull it off. But you can teach him to draw the line.
For example there is nothing wrong if he acts nice to the girl he wants. But when she starts to pull friendzone bullshit he needs toughen up, respect himself and ditch her ass.
Exactly. But feminism is telling men that women are happy when they walk all over them.
Yes and Gillette is about to learn a lesson, a very valuable one too.
@ThisAndThat I hope so. I know I’m not buying their crap anymore. But the old saying is an idiot is born every minute. How many moron progressives are going to purposely support them now?
I should sell tickets to watch their stocks drop.
Society is just saying it’s okay to like what you like. Then you have the media representing minorities promoting tolerance/acceptance. People observe the media and either they do or don’t see themselves. The ones who are confused or on the path to self discovery become more comfortable in whatever “taboos” they are drawn to, and then they start to physically embrace that.
I don’t think society wants to emasculate men. There were and already men who wanted to step out of their box, but with the help of society and media they have become more open about their personal desires and preferences. I think of it as an emotional evolution. The ones who spread hate and disgust will get left behind and eventually die out in some way. Human culture is simply changing. Everything has to change. Everything has to develop into to something new at some point.
and if you do this for women, you'll see how ridiculous women are compared to how they once were. Women fought for the rights they have today. Equal rights, but a lot of women today, that isn't enough for them, they want to be petty or make shit up.
Time is the most powerful force in the universe, it sees everything change. Culture, religion, politics, art, language, fashion, etc. it all changes over time. Change isn't always good, but it happens nonetheless.
They are trying to feminize men. They say that being a real man is bad for you and women. But I know that's just feminist and misandrist bullsh*t. So I'm not falling for it. No one will force me to be who I am not. If they don't like it then 🖕 them. Don't allow feminism and misandry hurt you. Fight back and stand up for men's rights.
Not only is it trying, but it succeeded, and you can see with feminism and a thousand other movements for retards that misandry is not only acceptable, but desirable in the western culture. Men naturally hate all the libtard crap, and they make 50% of the population, so they have to emasculate a good portion of us, to be able to shove so much retarded shit down our throats
Perhaps more men are free to not feel as confined to narrow notions of masculinity, thus seeing a broader spectrum of the human side, not one sided straight jacket. Both men and women have masculine and feminine sides. Obviously more often men are more so on masculine or what would be considered masculine traits. But humans are complex and there are overlaps.
It might not be society pushing men this way, but men feeling more free to express themselves on other ways than always rigidly, confined macho ways all the time and show a softer side. It sounds funny, but I've learned to have more empathy to guys who aren't the macho guys, as I believe a lot of dudes may hold it in and the stress of feeling to always uphold constant behavior all the time, to uphold the high standards guys place on themselves and others of how a man is to be and act, all the time.
No, it's still not okay to be an effeminate men. Women still date masculine men, they are still seen as more confident and more socially adapted. By contrast effeminate men are seen, at the very least, as eccentric.
But masculinity, if nothing else, is just a general lack of self-awareness and a great big sense of fucking entitlement that quickly devolves into aggression and chest-beating, so of course all these "manly men" are going to whine and start spitting and sputtering every time any one implies they might be less than perfect.
I like that a woman liked this comment. I wonder if she was hating on effeminate men or masculine men. Probably both lol.
There is destabilisation propeganda mostly disguised as feminism where they try to turn men into woman and woman into men.
It has benefits for those spreading it as it encourages men to be weaker and less of a threat and women to do the work of men resulting in an inflated economy where both partners have to work to get by.
@Ellie-V That causes a lot of problems for the family life. Someone should look after the children and you don't want them raised by strangers with all the things going on these days. Ideally both partners work parttime, its how i was raised and if my job allowed it i would do the same. But both partners working at the same time wasn't needed and should not be needed to get by.
Need you even ask? Of course "society" -- which is dominated by leftist anti-male propaganda -- is trying to emasculate men.
But here's the dirty little secret. REAL men couldn't care less. Their masculinity will be in your face like it or not.
Only wimps and f*** are trapped by that garbage.
In schools I think they are a bit. Boys are being punished for being boys. Boys are generally more rambunctious and physical and they get punished for it, which is likely why less men are graduating highschool, and every level of education above that.
In some schools they can't play tag if they talk loudly they get punished, they can't right stories in English class that have any violence, etc...
Girls get punished for doing the same thing, it’s just that boys are more likely to get into physical altercations. Less men are graduating due to personal issues that has nothing to do with the school trying to take away masculinity.
Physical violence and promotion of violence of any kind is being shut down whether you are a boy or a girl. Schools are even tracking CYBERBULLYING, which is more of a female thing in my opinion.
Boys like to rough house and are more rambunctious, and they get punished for it. Girls don't do it as much. Almost any parent will tell you boys act this way more than girls. Schools and parents are punishing boys more than they use to for simple things and not letting them play the ways that boys play.
There was a study done by a toy company to try and get a play house that worked for both boys and girls. They found the girls played house and the boys tried to shoot a baby over the rough of it.
Boys need to be able to be boys and schools aren't letting them do it. Hating school is one of many reasons people drop out, so guys dropping out more could very likely be connected to how they are treated in school.
The point is that the punishment is the same. If it was not the same, THEN I could say yes it does look like some kind of agenda. But no, some girls will physically hurt each other and both of them will either get suspended or expelled.
Different genders, same result, no agenda.
It doesn’t matter if boys fight more because “it’s in their nature”. Girls who grow up in violent homes may also follow in their guardians footsteps... AND THEY WILL GET PUNISHED JUST THE SAME.
There is a lot of abuse that goes on at school, but it has nothing to with with emasculation.
Kids bully kids. Teachers verbally (and sometimes physically) abuse kids. The books may or may not be up to date. Boys of color specifically can be treated with hostility if the establishment has racist and/or stereotypical opinions about them.
Progressive schools doesn’t want anyone to fight. Not even verbally. Again, they are monitoring cyber bullying, which is something that girls are more inclined to do. With your arguments we could also say that schools are forcing girls to not be girls because girls like to emotionally abuse each other but the school isn’t allowing that to happen.
If you’re going to say masculinity is the target based on your reasoning, then you should be able to say that femininity is being targeted as well. Because both genders are violent, just in different ways. And schools are shutting down all forms of violence.
There is a difference between vioqnd rough play and being more rambunctious.
I also find it a little funny how you are saying girls get treated the same as boys, as little girls hit boys all the time and don't really get punished and if the guy hit backs he is the one getting in trouble and suspended. And let's not even get into the fact that men get 60%longer prison sentences for the exact same crime a woman commits.
So as long as everyone is treated the same it is okay? I'm sure those aboriginals put in residential schools would disagree, and left handed people getting smacked for using there left hand. They were expected to act like everyone else and when they didn't they got punished. I'm also not sure if I'd say things like cyber bullying is that much more of a women's thing.
How about transgender people. They are expected to use the same washroom as everyone born into the same gender, so the rules are the same and you would be punished the same I'd you went into the wrong one.
We are talking about SCHOOLS not prisons.
Yes there is an inequality in the justice system.
But we’re not talking about that.
Yes, there was definitely a time when girls were able to hit dudes and get away with it... but their rules are changing. As in right now. Slowly but surely. I know this because I work with so many different kids. It may not be the same in every school but a girl cannot hit a boy or anyone without punishment. And they are making it so both people involved get punished whether that’s boy-boy, girl-girl, girl-boy.
As long as everyone is treated the same, there’s no agenda to point out. Everyone gets the same consequences.
The transgender thing is a different issue all together. Too many emotions in that, which is why punishment in that case is unfair.
Japan and USA looks the worst xD
If u lived the place where i do most guys would say you are gay and probably beat ur face up , and yes guys where i live have no tollerance for gay people at all including me , because i feel its wrong the same as my friends think
So you better not say that loud on the street at night because u will spend ur weekend in hospital , if u are on the bad street
Man has to look like a man not like a faggot
Yes u can roast me but that is my opinion
AGREED!
they very much are trying to emasculate men.. its part of the satanic agenda..
I don't think so. Society is not trying to emasculate men. People are just learning to accept men who are not as macho or stereotypically manly. Men today have more options. If you wanna go the old way and be the manly gentleman, go ahead. If you wanna break stereotypes and boldly do stereotypically feminise stuff, go ahead. As long as you aren't a jerk no one is complaining.
My personal concept of a man is very different though. I know this one guy, who likes pink color and takes pics in girly filters but I would go as far as saying that he is more of a man than what most macho dudes are these days, because of the PERSON that he is. Heck, preference of color, snapchat filter, sports, food and drinks etc should not even be counted as things that make you more or less of a man or even woman.
I am entitled to my own opinions and I have the right to decide for myself what I consider as a man. If that gets you butthurt then put some balm on there to soothe yourself.
What entitles you to decide whether or not my opinion is irrelevant? Oh wait, who am I asking for explanation? Someone who has nothing better to do than stick their noses to other people's business? What heroic thing have you done by sitting on your superficial ass trying to bully every woman who doesn't agree with you?
But hey, you are a weakling who has to attack people for their age to try to prove them wrong 😂 don't @ me again until you come up with something better than that.
A bit yes, the problem with society now is that it can't find a good middle ground: either machos or male drama queens.
There's no space for those who stands in the middle: if I'm not a macho, the right calls me a "queer", if I'm don't dress in drags, I'm a nazi.
I'm sick of this black and white view.
That said, the SS soldiers picture comes from a beautiful and surreal movie by Elen Klimov, "Come and see".
I recommend it.
@Benedek38
1- it's not women who don't want to be with less successful men (though I'm not saying there aren't) its also men who don't want to be with women who are more successful than them.
2- If you asked any woman out there between the choice of not having a partner or going back in time where women were less than men, I would tell you no sane woman would ever choose the latter.
1) That's actually not true. You could claim it is a self-inducing thing, but it's WOMEN'S evolutionary instinct to vet their partners based in status and capability. Hypergamy is a female thing. Men just adapted, and know that if they get with a more successful women, society will mock them, and their women will eventually cheat on them with a goid likelyhood.
2) Oh, of course a lot of women in their 20s and 30s would tell you they'd rather be single. Because they AREN'T single. They get a shitton of attention. They are HOOKED on make attention. Why else do you think Instagram is a thing? It's an egoboost for women.
But when these women become unattractive, single, 50 year old catladies, they suddenly become really socially conservative. Seen it a lot of times. Women won't admit emancipation was bad until it bites them in the ass, because they realise 95% of their stocks were in their looks.
3) Well, that was easy.
www.researchgate.net/.../232548102_Men_are_hierarchical_women_are_egalitarian_An_implicit_gender_stereotype
@Benedek38
1- the social evolution is simply a pseudo science that has no facts behind it or it uses european history as the the only way of evolvement. it's not men adapted to think that 'if they get with a more successful women, society will mock them, and their women will eventually cheat on them with a goid likelyhood. ' it's that men have an ego based on the their financial succexx and that ego is easily destroyed in frontof a more successfully female. Thankfully, men have also evolved in the last century and adapted so they are going for more successful women.
2- NO women would want to give up on her rights to be with a man. being with a man is not the o great purpose of being a woman.
3- your study shows that as you said women are more inclined to be egalitarian rather than hierarchical, while men the opposite. What you fail to see is that this society is both hierarchical and egalitarian.
"the social evolution is simply a pseudo science that has no facts behind it or it uses european history as the the only way of evolvement. "
Yes, that's why it is observable in fucking chimps. And wolves. And most social animals.
" it's that men have an ego based on the their financial succexx and that ego is easily destroyed in frontof a more successfully female. "
So you say basing sociology party on evolution is dumb... and instead we should assume that men act the way they do because... they are egotistical assholes with a fragile masculinity. Riiiight.
I feel like you've read too many gender studies books. Is that a correct assessment?
"being with a man is not the o great purpose of being a woman."
Do you know HOW MANY women would disagree with you?
Seriously, this is a gaint cultural issue, yet you fail to see it. Women are freezing eggs, and trying frustratedly to find the right man and have children. The longing for career only fucked up their mind, but the reality is that a LOT of women actually long for a stable family, and it's society taht pressures them into joining the workforce.
3) "What you fail to see is that this society is both hierarchical and egalitarian."
No, society is NOT egalitarian. "egalitarian" in this contextmeans equality of outcome. What society aims to achieve is equality of OPPORTUNITY.
yes because weak men= a society maleable to whatever globalist agendas. but you have no excuse guys. today there is the internet. if you didn't have proper fathering you can find mentors.
also in the old macho men you forgot clint eastwood. chuck norris wets his panties when he meets him.
Youtube doesn't replace a father.
@Lightning8 no but it can teach you to find the men to become your mentors and how you detect them.
It certainly can, but don't present the internet as a cure-all. Fathering is much deeper than mentorship. In fact, many guys can have a great father and still get a mentor.
@Lightning8 and what will you do? quit? better late than never. and better a little better than a downward spiral.
My issue is that one does not equal the other, not whether someone can or can't change. Anyone could change and adapt individually pretty much no matter the situation, yet as a society we don't get complacent with just that possibility. We still look to improve our environments to help foster those positive changes we seek. In fact men already use the internet in the way you've described.
All part of this progressive society.
We'll see how it all affects us in the future, when people don't "feel" like doing their biological duties anymore.
Are you aware that your "now" (atleast when it comes to Germany) is more than 12 years ago? Comparing two extremes with each other isn't really the way to go either.
Well I do not think that these cases are anywhere near reality. Men are usually neither overly macho, nor overly feminine. Not one of these pictures really looked appealing to me either to be honest.
My answer is no, I do not think so.
The funny thing is, its women who set all these standards and rules for men. We can't say anything about how women should be because "you don't know what its like to be a woman", but they can force all this shit on us all day like they know what its like to be a guy.
It is definitely happening, but I wouldn't say that society in general is necessarily responsible.
It is feminism in particular that is intentionally trying to emasculate men with their anti masculinity rhetoric. Their motive is that they know they cannot control masculine men. They are threatened by them. By feminizing masculinity they have a better chance of controlling men and society.
BAM! ON THE HEAD!
Over the top machoness is cringey and annoying. There are some characters like Alex Armstrong from FMA where it's funny and a good part of their character, but in real life it's just cringey. However, at the same time, I do agree that yes society is trying get rid of masculinity. Culture changes, and this is the shitty latest change in culture.
Most men now are pussys and their girlfriends are fucking me. Smh. The worst part is now some of them allow it. Wtf?
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Memes Are Stupid, and They Make Us Stupid ↗
This is the only relevant answer to this nonsensical question.
I’m sick and tired of macho idiots. It’s not cool and it’s not sexy. Men aren’t too good to treat women with respect and that’s not emasculating them. Get over it.
No they don’t always. Look at Bezos wife. A loyal wife and mom... still got cheated on. Still called a gold digging whore. There’s absolutely no excuse for that.
Men prove their worth first.
Men chase. Women choose. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. It’s just how it is.
You're both idiots and both show what I hate about modern society. You have the feminist completely misrepresenting the situation either on purpose or out of ignorance, and the idiot man proving her point.
Why should men have to prove they are worth of respect first? Frankly, why should anyone have to prove they are worthy of respect? I'm not asking you to bow to everyone you meet or anything, just don't treat them like dirt. Treat people with respect, treat people who earn greater respect with greater respect and don't treat people with respect who don't deserve it.
And oh my god anon, are you reading what you are writing? If a man wrote that last bit you did, what would you say to him? I know exactly what you'd call him and how you'd treat him because that is such a stupid, arrogant and sexist thing to say.
No we will not. Why should we have to bust our asses just for the honor of being in your presence? How self important do you have to be that men should have to carry the entire burden?
You do not deserve respect just because you're a woman, and if you believe that you're entitled to anything just because you carry the chance of putting out... well at that point you're no better then a prostitute... actually scratch that, you're worse then a prostitute cause at least a prostitute is gonna be honest about what she's selling and for how much. People like you sell a wink and a promise, told your whole life that the world owes you something simply because you have a pair of boobs. No more, you wanted equality? Well now you're gonna get it, both the good and the bad.
I’m actually referring to men who want to date or have a relationship with a woman. Studies have shown that men prefer to be the ones to pursue and ask out a woman first. Women report that they prefer to be the ones being pursued. It’s just nature.
You can pursue without being a rapist or sexually assaulting someone. My husband figured it out but by the way other men hit on me these days, proper flirting wasn’t taught to them without being creeps. It can be done though.
He’s not a follower. We stand side by side. But he understood how he was supposed to earn that position.
Men want to pursue. I’ve written a post about this in regards to dating. They want to be the ones to work hard to get a woman’s attention. They lose interest quickly when women do the pursuing. That’s seen as a masculine characteristic actually.
Oh please any power he has is power you allow him to have nothing more. So what would be proper flirting? The promise that you will never have to lift a finger for the rest of your life?
This is why I've kind of accepted that the dynamic between men and women in relationships are closer to slave and master respectively.
I bet you spread your legs more than once for those “macho idiots”. Quit lying to yourself.
No I don’t associate with macho idiots. I am my own boss professionally and personally. He doesn’t “allow” anything because he’s not my boss.
No a part of you still gets wet thinking a them.
All women have a certain power over men. That’s why men kill each other for our affection.
Women were born with sexual dominance. That’s the reason pick up artistry had to be created, so men could get what they wanted as easily as we can. But our game is natural. It’s not Maybelline baby, we’re born with it.
And women wonder why men get so depressed at the thought of being disposable. Ok know what if i keep this up any longer i'm gonna get upset, so let's just get this question out of the way. Do you or do you not want equality with men? And I mean True equality, not equality by your terms?
I believe neither men or women are superior or inferior due to their gender. We each have our strengths and weaknesses. So we aren’t the same.
I don’t write the rules of Mother Nature.
No one asked you to like the way things are.
What.
Wow so your only responce is literally "tough shit"? I'm done you are a truly disgusting I individual and the reason we got things like mgtow.
But I will say this, there is going to come a day where you're going to be in a dire situation, and no knight in shining armor is gonna save your ass.
I can do things by myself. I’m fine. Mgtow are riffraff anyway. It’s best they stay out of our way.
He’s not submissive. Being a dominant is too much for me. My mom is deceased.
We’re happy and fine. Thanks for your concern.
I know my future better than you do but thanks for trying, Miss Cleo.
What makes you say something like that?
We have an 11 year marriage. Do you?
Were obviously doing something right. I didn’t marry a macho asshole and things couldn’t be more perfect.
So hateful.
And I’m the one with issues lol. Okurrr.
I don't know what’s yours?
You want a one way street, you want men to treat women with respect, but never mind women treating men with respect, good luck with that.
Hahaha totally agree with the before and after 😂
You forgot the ‘homies’ too lol
I think it has to do with all the female empowerment going on today. Not that female empowerment is a bad thing, but once it crosses that threshold into affecting how males today should behave in society, it definitely cross a line.
More women are now proposing to men, men are now having more manbuns, men are wearing clothing that would have been deemed too feminine in the past.
Men need to grow a pair and stop worshipping feministic traits.
Just don't let it succeed on you.
I've just said fuckoff to both.
I'm myself and that's it.
While I do agree society is becoming too feminine, back then it was too masculine.
These are mostly movies or fictional sterotyped characters compared to the exact opposite stereotype that isn't common in real life.
I do feel like that society has been trying to emasculate men.
It actually isn't really society, it is food. I heard that the average male has only one third as much testosterone as he did 100 years in America. Back then most Americans were almost carnivores. Nowadays, sugar is the staple of society. Contact with plastic has also had an effect.
Im not suprised by your age. The "Now" Phase was ca. 10 years ago lol
Coming from a 20 year old fool 😂 the only ones who are defensive are the ones who fit into the examples above. And they tend to be your age lol. Like i said keep defening your walk of life. It's okay we know you dress like a girl, sure act like a girl too. 😂😂 young dumb living off mum lol
Is that really what men are like now? The ones I see tend to be regular working people who do their jobs and don't worry about how "manly" they are compared to their peers.
The more I hear about some collective loss of masculinity, the more I see it as a forced narrative, using exaggerated examples to make small changes over time appear bigger than they really are.
@Benedek38 I don't know if it would go back to what it was before, even with the pushback. The agenda of the powers that be aren't really any new either, it's just now that it's finally coming out after some decades.
I think it’s a consequence of saying that “you can be whoever you want and be accepted.” The fact is no, woman don’t actually appreciate that they want why they want and sure you can be yourself but if that means you’re average or below in manliness then you’re a loser.
This is the exact reason I am leaving the west more accurately the US with no intentions of ever returning and you should too, all men and boys should.
Where do you recommend outside of the west? Also, when will you leave?
@UncleJessieRabbit I'm moving to Russia, when? I'm not sure. I have some business here I have to settle first. Then I'll go.
@ThisAndThat Honestly, Russia sounds very cool.
Mine is only hypothetical right now though.
@UncleJessieRabbit Yeah it started out as a hypothetical thing for me too, but the more time past the more a reality it has become. It's the best answer for men.
Imagine being so insecure about your own. Masculinity that you try to compare yourself to "the good ol' days."
I agree wholeheartedly and that's why i embrace my masculinity. Women are trying to figure out how to weaken men as a whole to level the playing field
Yes, and it's sad. I think it is and will be a big source of depression for men and for women looking for masculine men. I don't think it will help the world.
Definitely. Weak minded men are easier to control and convert.
@John_Doesnt See this! It is the absolute truth. It won't get you laid, it will get you controlled.
@ThisAndThat: Correct. Just last night a girl was telling me about how she's lost interest in a guy because he's far too accommodating. She describes the right balance as having a guy who knows when to act like a king and when to act humble.
She says a guy who slaps her ass here and there when she gets up for beer is preferable to someone who waits on her all the time like a servant.
Men have more options now. They can be as macho or as effeminate as they like.
trying to feminize men is more like it. then the women will cry like that episode of south park when ever man turned "metrosexual" lol
gone are the days of men asking women on dates, getting a job and raising a family. now men like us are single and women taking advantage of us. the generation after me is a bunch of hoe-fudgepackers
I think so. Gay propaganda, feminism, #MeToo, denial of fathers' rights in court... the list goes on and on...
Yes!!! And thats all i have to say🤣
Stop blaming society for how some males dress. It's the males themselves choosing to dress the way they do. Regardless what century/era/generation it is.
Media and the internet is made by society and by society we not talking the average tea drinking bums. We're talking about the corporate world with an adgenda. But hence you choose to put the issue under the carpet i can say the men didn't oppress women back in the day. Women choose to stay at home. Cook and clean and refrain from voting. But lets not be stupid here
Women unable to vote before is not the same as men dressing up to look like girls are not even on the same level. That's stupid. Some men weren't forced to dress/style themselves. They chose to do that. The media and the internet are tools but they are not twisting nobody's elbow. It's someone's choice to either follow it or ignore it. Not all men today dress up or look like that just because of media and internet pressure
No not at all. Your definition of masculinity is just simply too narrow.
Yes, society is trying to emasculate men, and men need to fight back in violent fashion.
@mistixs : Citizens should be peaceful if society is righteous. But if society is evil, then we shouldn't let evil physically destroy us. Radical feminism is such a dangerous, destructive force that it undoubtedly warrants violent action to oppose it. I don't advocate private citizens taking such action at present, but do ask people to at least vote in a government to do that.
In a world were more and more men are being emasculated, those remaining men who retain and embrace masculinity will have their pick of the finest women.
Count me out. I don't dress like them but society is getting more open minded and less judgmental.
You don't think calling men out due to their natural design is judgmental? That's a new one.
@ThisAndThat I don't know but to anyone who simply do that, they got problems
Looks like you forgot to select "anonymous" before posting this one.
No. Just when they're tired of a spammer and troll.
Then what looks at you when you look into the mirror? Especially when a confident person is looking back?
If you're posting stuff like this, you clearly don't see this in yourself
Men who think they’re entitled to act superior and “macho” are not attractive. We don’t respect them. The fact that you’re even using the word “emasculating” is pathetic. I pity you.
Emasculate* Jesus Christ autocorrect...
Actually none of the above. Clearly you’ve had abusive females in your past, or someone has sadly fucked you up in some other way.
You are sad, cutie.
Oh wow... maybe you should fix your grammar and spelling before appearing as if you’re a tiny bit educated.
Lmfao. Ok?
Oh my god... this guy’s not only cringey but also an ignorant fool.
I’m sorry that you’re this naive and sour. Hope you feel better. 😘
LMFAO
Abselutley. Men need to rise again
I don't see too much wrong with Japan. I like long hair.
What if that's just how he looks? I don't look like a hardarse myself.
I don't think it's about looking like a hardass or badass or any other type of ass. Besides, lots of badass dudes have long hair. I think what the OP is getting at is that nontraditional men are now considered the only type that are cool or relevant. Traditional men who lift weights and chase pussy are portrayed in the media as something laughable, and a lot of people see that as an effort to diminish men overall.
Trying to , yes ! Fuck " society " !!
seems to be that way now doesn't it
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