Do you think pedophilia should be legal?

[BattleKitten77]

I find it interesting that women, the supposed protectors of children are thr ones campioning this shit. This filthy pig cunts argument is that it is natural. How far is the moronic natural argument going to go. I have a natural urge to murder this bitch. Can i do it? What about my feelings? Why should i be ashamed and condemned by society?

So how young are we talking about? Infants 2 3 4 yr olds. Can an infant even give consent? What do you perverts want? I encourage you to watch this Doctor give a description of the damage to this babies genitalia after being raped. I want to warn you. It is very upsetting. I wept hard for over an hour. So proceed with caution.

This is what liberals want. Thry are bringing pedos into libraries we pay taxed for and canot use to hold a bible study at but 2 and 3 yr olds are watching grown men teach them to twerk. Thry are coming for your children people. It is time to wake up.

[SueShe]

Let us step back into history, something like 5,000 years ago.

In Egypt of the pharaohs, it was as common to indulge with children and even marrying your own offsprings.

The Romans did not any better and if you go to the various ruins like in Pompeii, you will face a number of whorehouses where it was equally accepted to be intimate with children.

Move forward to our "civilized" world. What is happening nowadays? Right, we are moving the age of consent in certain places to something like 13 years of age.

Rather than to protect our children, we encourage them to be sexually active at a very low age and the laxist pornographic laws further encourage that kind of behavior.

Not only is it a crime to fail to protect our children but I will go one step further into pretending that the perversion of our society will not only further reduce the age of consent but in a number of years, will actually tolerate that pre-teens are exempted from protection and sexual exploitation.

Once tolerance has become widely accepted, you can just imagine what the next step will be. It will be regarded as normal because of the pressure from certain groups to basically abolish laws protecting children up to a certain extend.

And to make this horror scenario even worse, what was once forbidden will be tolerated and what is tolerated will become de facto the thing to go by.

When money and profits talk, there is no stopping it. Money, drugs and sex rule the world

That is how disgusting and perverted our society is becoming.

[Ellie-V]

I don’t know who told you that but women are not the “supposed protectors of children”.
But anyway, I think they should get medical help, not prison.
And although I do believe in keeping them away from kids, that doesn’t mean they should be excluded from everything and everyone else (adult spaces).

[Warmapplecrumble]

Never. This is the stuff why I feel like I can't have children in this society. I feel like that the current environment is not safe.

... this is wrong on all levels. ._.

[Girther10]

And because of your uncertainty as to the future, you can't have offspring? Will that ever change? If not, you’re doomed to be childless your whole life? Wow.. that’s quite a revelation, @Applecreampie-

[Lliam]

I think the definition of pedophilia should be sex with a prepubescent person. It should be illegal as hell. There's no excuse.

I do think the age of consent (in most cases 18) is arbitrary. I know that some 13 or 14 year old girls (and boys, obviously) are really randy. And I see no reason to criminalize them for having sex if they want to. Hell, if they want to engage in sex, I am all for it as long as they are smart enough to take safety precautions.

However, there is such a thing as abuse. Pedophilia and child abuse are two different things.
Abuse would include any form of coercion. And coercion can take many, many forms. It can be employed against anyone, regardless of age or gender.

It can be difficult to define some forms of coercion. For example, is offering money coercive? Is it coercive for a person in power to have sex with a subordinate even if they make no threats or promises of extra benefits? Are false promises the same as coercion?
But in more extreme cases, there is no question. Outright intimidation or force should be treated as very serious crimes.

[WalterBlack]

Age difference should be taken into consideration. A 13 year old and a 15 year old having sex is inappropriate but not shocking or completely unreasonable. However, an 18 year old who legally has the right to make their own decisions also has the responsibility to say no to having sex with a 13 year old, no matter how tempting the offer. The place where I live has a law that basically says if one or both people are under 16, there can not be more than a 2 year age difference if they have sex. So, 13 and 15 is legal but 13 and 16 is not. The two year difference is a bit arbitrary, but it is more sensible than saying that no one under a certain age can possibly have sex without breaking the law.

[WalterBlack]

The actual definition of pedophilia is is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

[JimboGB]

No, I don't beleive it should! But once your value system states, people are free to do as they will, whatever makes them happy, this is the logical conclusion for society as there is no limits or truths in this post modern, atheistic age. You reap what you sow.

[LokiWhite]

I don't think that this logic system you describe at all leads to pedophilia, because it clearly infringes on the rights and wants of the child. That system means you can do as you like as long as it harms no one, this deeply hurts half the people involved in it so of course this should never be socially acceptable (or legal!!).

[JimboGB]

@LokiWhite atheists beleive there is no such thing as truth, that it is all relative, so who is to argue with Mr Anonymous personal truth?

If the argument for rejecting an relgious value system, which is against homosexuality or abortions for example, on the grounds that people can do whatever they want, that it is their body, then there is no limit to the degradation of peoples desires, entitlements and impulse to act upon them. No god, no truth, no limits.

It effecting the child is your truth, you effecting the pedos "love" is his truth. This same mentality has millions of dead children through abortions, growing number of govement sanctioned euthanasia. Your value system leads to all your actions, including a growing acceptance of such disgusting behaviour.

We differ on the reasoning but at least we can agree these people are sick!

[LokiWhite]

Want to start off by saying how awesome and refreshing it is to have a polite conversation with someone of differing views, and want to say that none of my responses are meant to be at all rude to you or your views.

I would argue that atheists believe more so in a strict rational truth, I as an atheist certainly do and find post truth ridiculous.

My system of rationality has lead me to believe that a fetus is not a human, and as such does not have human rights. It is often a cluster of cells, and whilst killing it should be avoided of possible, it doesn't come anywhere close to having the rights of a full human. I'd also say that there is no difference from terminating a pregnancy than using birth control, either way you are preventing life from entering the world.

As for homosexuality, no one's getting hurt, go for it!

Children are certainly sentient humans with full agency and their rights matter as much as anyone's, and if anyone, i. e. a pedophile, attempts to infringe on them, then they are doing the wrong thing and should be punished for attempting it. Whether or not they truly love them is entirely irrelevant, I'm sure some stalkers really loved their victims in their own minds, but that doesn't allow them to do as they wish because it harms another.

[BattleKitten77]

Wow. Not that is creepy. @cocoBat Did anyone watch and read my videos

[IIGrifterSixII]

Whatever the consensus is that a child can be tried as an adult, they can drive and endanger public behind the wheel of a vehicle, can choose to transition to another sex that should be the age of consent. Full stop. Additional being attracted to a pubescent person is natural as the point of puberty is to both prepare and announce to the world readiness to copulate and reproduce. Society looks down on sex beneath 18 , Cool follow the law but to say there's any significant difference between an 18 year old and a 16 year old is fanciful thinking. if a 50 year old bangs a 18 year old, more power to them. Now obvioulsy there is a HUGE difference between a 18 year old and a 8 year old or an 8 month old. Any cause of harm to a child particularly sexual assault should be met harshly as long as the child in question is in fact a child and not a teen or a young adult or whatever other nomeclature is used to blur line. But the law of the land rules 16-18 depending where you live is usually the youngest trim that can consent. If thats too old for you I can't help you

[OfDeath]

Well, there is a case to be argued that Hebephilia (attraction to pubescent teenagers from 12-16) is not unnatural but pedophilia (attraction to preteen children from age 4-12) is definitely unnatural and infantophilia (attraction to children under 5) is probably the worst.

Ok so let's backtrack a bit about my statement that hebephilia is natural. I will explain. It isn't "normal" but it isn't completely unfounded either. You see, in human history our life expectancy was much lower (down to an average of 20 years in some historical periods).
With a lower life expectancy, it was the social norm for men have sex with girls as young as 13. The average age of pregnancy for a long time was 13-16. This increased as human life expectancy did. Real sexual attraction begins at about age 12 for boys and sometimes younger for girls.
When we are young teenagers who are developing sexual feelings, we are attracted to people around our same age. Ok this next part you will find controversial: we never stop finding this age bracket attractive BUT we do start to expand our sexual attraction and become attracted to older people as we get older.

So you can see hebephilia is actually not really abnormal but it is if you exclusively find people of that age attractive and nobody else. That means there is something wrong with your brain.

Should it be legal? No. The line needs to be drawn somewhere and that line is best drawn at 18.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Human hunter gatherer women had periods at 18-19.

[OfDeath]

@Warmapplecrumble that may well be true but for the past 150 or so generations it has been earlier than that. So the human brain is more geared towards that than towards hunter gatherer times which were basically neolithic.
Human life expectancy shortened shortly after first being able to domesticate animals for agriculture due to the diseases created by that so this fits with your statement. Shorter life - girls who reached maturity earlier reproduced more and passed on their genes.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Well I think its more to with the wrong diet and too mych much estrogen creating earlier and earlier periods in girls. For example I've read some women with 2 year olds having periods. I don't know if its real. But it's very shocking to me. And I do not think they should be used as a hallmark for legal age.

[OfDeath]

@Warmapplecrumble I never implied the legal age should be changed from 18. I'm just saying it isn't unnatural to find teenage girls attractive.
Female models are most sought after at age 16 too straight out of Jinnah Lou Domino's mouth.

The earliest of periods starting are due to imbalances like that but it's come back to between 10-15 just through incremental evolution caused by the factors I have mentioned.
Maybe a little bit imbalance due to diet these days though because the average is now 12.5 years old.

[Warmapplecrumble]

I really think its not normal. I think its more to do with media.

[OfDeath]

@Warmapplecrumble what do you mean isn't normal?

[Warmapplecrumble]

Being attracted to very young girls. I think it has a huge push from media as the models arevery young, things women do to look younger each generation etc.

I think if women at a older age were advertised in media then things would be different.

I really think society and media has a big influence.

[OfDeath]

@Warmapplecrumble I don't think being attracted to very young girls or boys for that matter is normal either. However, if a 16 year old girl is beautiful and developed enough to be in a raunchy swimsuit photoshoot, it's a bit unfair to call anyone who finds her attractive a pedo.

[Warmapplecrumble]

she's made to look older with props... if she wasn't made to look older.. guys wouldn't like her.

[FakeName123]

Not the first time this is being pushed. Just read up on the french postmodernist:
en.wikipedia.org/.../French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

Also I highly disagree with pedophilia being an unchangable orientation considering that very majority of pedophiles have been victims of sexual abuse as children themselves. It's more like this is a "coping"-mechanism that needs to be treated properly - preferably institutionalised throughout the treatment.

[Flamdring]

Not sure whom you call liberals because this term is used incorrectly by pretty much everyone in the US and I assume you are from there, but back to the question: I think these women or men or anyone else who calls for paedophelia are mentally challenged. If anyone rapes a baby or teenager and paedophiles do exactly that, they should be castrated and in woman's case their vagina should be stitched to the point where she cannot have any penetrative sex anymore. This on top of their jail sentence.

No justification for paedophilia whatsoever.

[0112358]

She suggests pedophiles be accepted but that sexual abuse not be. She notes that the risk of pedophiles actually abusing children seems higher when they are socially excluded or outcast from society. So her goal is reduced sexual abuse of children.

You may disagree with this proposal but she sure as fuck did not suggest permitting child sexual abuse.

As for a slippery slope, age of consents gave been trending higher not lower and in fact in the US there seems to be an increasing push to treat 18-22 year olds as children as well.

[Anonymous]

I know what I'm in for when I say this. We should encourage pedophiles to get treatment instead of throwing them in prison, NOT TALKING ABOUT PREDATORS WHO ACTUALLY ACTED OUT ON THEIR PEDOPHILIA, I'm talking about people who has fantasied about acting out on it but never harmed a child in their lives. Pedophilia in a mental illness and there are people out there who are pedophiles and know that it's not normal and want professional help for it, but are afraid to because of the thought of going to prison and being a pariah in their community. So we should encourage pedophiles to get professional help if they NEVER harmed a child. But as for the ones who did harm children, they should be punished because they DID choose to harm children.

[RetroAlpha]

Yeesh... I need soap just from thinking about it.

Look, when I was 13, I had an awesome 1-nighter with an 18 y. o. "girl" (technically, woman, but she was still in HS). She freaked out when she realized how old I wasn't, but I wasn't scarred or regretful. She was really awesome, and we remained friends for many years after.

I bring that up, because I think under-aged sex should be based on the psychological make up of the younger person. If they are advanced (i. e. ACTUALLY thinking like an adult), then the number of their days shouldn't matter so much, maybe. Perhaps, someday, they will come up a test, which they can administer to boys and girls to see if they can have a PTB Card (Proceed To Bone). I'm not 100% sure I'd want to live in that world, though... shrug...

[Anonymous]

I watched the first video but I don't have time to watch the 45 min long second video. The woman in the first video DOES NOT suggest that child sexual abuse should be legalized. She states that if people with the tendency to be a pedophile are treated like human beings and given a little respect, they can get treatment to help them avoid ever causing harm to a child. Her point seems to be that if you make someone feel like an outcast of society before they've actually done anything harmful, it becomes more likely that they will reject the rules of society and engage in criminal acts.

[Opinion Owner]

In other words, @BattleKitten77, you completely misrepresented the speaker's intent, creating a "straw man" argument. This sounds like the poor excuse for journalism that you find on some very politically biased news outlets nowadays. Are you doing this just for attention?

[Opinion Owner]

Try engaging your brain and watch the entire first video. You will find that the speaker clearly understands that adults having sex with children is wrong, harmful, and should not be tolerated.

[bolverk]

No, No, No, The Intersectional/Identitarian crowd (A group of misfits who cannot control their own emotions and thoughts so they attempt to control people’s behaviour. ) are pushing for Paedophilia to be see as sex choice such as hetro, gay etc where it is one of the most unnatural things on the planet - an adult human pursuing a sexual relationship with a minor child who doesn’t have the mental capability to comprehend what is being done to them and in the process leaves that child broken.
It may get pushed through as law by a group of left leaving politicians pandering to The Intersectional/Identitarian crowd that Paedophilia is a lawful sex choice but I doubt that society as a whole would not stand for it.

[grkmanga]

I love younger women... but pedo means kid... kid is way too young.. so no it should not be legal. This being said... you didn't understand her video... she isn't saying that pedos should act on their urges. She's saying that it is what it is and these people should not be looked down upon if they have not committed any acts... there should be help for pedos and the ones that act on it should be punished. So like you want to murder her... you should be helped on that... but doesn't mean you should be looked down upon... but if you were to act on it... you should be punished

[DiegoO]

"That's what liberals want" lol. I don't agree with that part.

Pedophilia is a paraphilia, like zoophilia. It's absolutely destructive, for the victims and pedophiles, or any that end practicing it.

Insanity is what I call it, besides insanely evil. Obviously it shouldn't be legal, pretty obvious if you are not that damage up there. What's scary is that it can be normalized if it's given the space to be part of advertisement. If you have watched a movie called.. I forgot the name. The point is, society can reach to detrimental levels. Pedophiles/sexual predators should be locked up for life. Some people doesn't deserve freedom.

[slatyb]

The speaker is reasonably pointing out the difference between pedophilia (an attraction to prepubescent children) and child sexual abuse. Pedophilia IS legal because it's just an attraction -- a private thought. Child sexual abuse is horrible and no one believes that it is ok. But you just heard "pedophilia" and stopped listening. You are not arguing against the speech given but against a position that no one advocates.

[dantetheexplorer]

"But you just heard "pedophilia" and stopped listening"

~ Astute observation. This is the problem with some people. They don't apply any critical thought to what they read or hear- some of them don't even bother reading or listening to the so-called "evidence" they so happily provide, which, in the end, makes them sound more than a little silly arguing against a position no one actually supports.

[loveslongnails]

You were doing alright until you lumped pedophiles with liberals, which just made you sound ridiculously dumb. Pedophiles are not confined to, or prevalent, in any one political group. Lest you forget, the list of "Conservative" (Republican) Congressman, Governors and other elected officials who had sex with underage boys and girls... just like the Liberals !!! I think anyone who argues "it's natural" is sick, so let's keep to THAT critical point and not throw politics into the mix.

[loveslongnails]

I LOVE when I get voted down by people who can't accept facts !! It's awesome !! Keep it up, trumpers.

[WalterBlack]

Don't forget about the Catholic Church's child abuse scandals involving priests molesting children.

[loveslongnails]

@WalterBlack Wait... are they Liberals, or Conservatives? I get confused. :)

[WalterBlack]

I would consider members of the Catholic Church to be conservatives.

[loveslongnails]

@WalterBlack Ah, there goes Battle Kitten's theory right to the ground ! Damn !!

[NorthwestRider]

I bet that she supports Donald Trump and Roy Moore who both have a thing for young girls

[RobLovesDemi1234]

Wtf kind of sick fucked up shit is this? Jesus Christ this is fucking sick. Whoever said this shit should be shot and have their cunts balls dicks uteruses chopped off so sick bastards like that can't reproduce. And if this comment gets blocked or hidden for being to offensive then go fuck yourselves as well. Sick fucks like that don't deserve to live or breathe the same air as the rest of society does

[RolandCuthbert]

You don't know how to watch a video. 1. This is a TedTalk, the video is only 3 minutes long so it is edited. 2. Her point is that pedophilia is the desire to have sex with children. It is not the act itself. Of course someone who attempts to have sex with a child should be locked away for a long time.

So bottom line, punish anyone who attempts sex with a child.

Treat those who have those urges so they do not become offenders.

The End.

[JackSmy]

The only thing I can get, of value, from this, is when she said "No one is responsible for their feelings, but they are responsible for their actions"
I do think that pedophilia is a mental disorder, as unlike homosexuality, acting it out, is not done with consenting adults that can understand the repercussions of their actions! Children cannot understand, so if a pedophile acts on their feelings, it is legally, and morally wrong!

[JamesRandiDebates]

I've grown beyond caring about whatever new perversion is being pushed in clown world. But, rest assured, legalizing pedophilia is definitely on the agenda by certain powerful political groups. It was predicted when gay marriage started being pushed that pedophilia was next. It will be legalized and promoted as a normal alternative life-choice. Anyone who speaks against it will be called a nazi-bigot-racist and risk losing their job.

[genericname85]

obviously no. i would say we should decriminalize it and treat it for what it is: a mental condition. i don't know if that's a fixable condition or not but surely there are people with other conditions that make them wanna burh shit or kill people. just cause people have that condition doesn't mean doing those things should be legalized. we should do our best to help those people to lead a decent life but we can not allow society to legalize such things.

[BattleKitten77]

The psychology field does help them if they ask. So not sure what you are talking about

[genericname85]

Well if you had read what I said, you'd know what I was talking about xD

[Bananaman177]

Kids can't consent to sex, but they can consent to a sex change.

What does that say?

[WalterBlack]

Not exactly. Kids can possibly consent to changing their gender identity (example: girl dressing like a boy and asking to be adressed by a masculine name). However, a person's sex is based on their biology and their genitals. A child can not legally change their name without their parent's consent. Any medical procedures (like hormone therapy) would also require parental consent.

[Bananaman177]

@WalterBlack There's an interesting case in Texas right now where a divorced mother wants to put her 6-year-old son on hormone treatment for his eventual gender transition and the father is suing for custody trying to block the treatment.

According to the father, the boy says he doesn't want to be a girl. The mother says different, and no one can ask the boy directly because the mother won't allow it. . .

I believe that parents should be allowed not to vaccinate their children, that's how much I'm in the corner of parents and parents' rights. But I'm not sure children should be allowed to change genders even with both parents and their whole family's permission, for that matter. Because these changes are permanent and you can't go back and decide to unmutilate yourself. You're dealing not only with sex, but with a person's ability to express and experience love and romance and maybe parenthood.

These are even more precious than health, it's a fate far worse than death that awaits these children.

And that's under the best, most optimum circumstances, it's a dangerous, risky gamble at best. For stakes far greater than mere life and death.

[WalterBlack]

That is an odd situation. My personal feeling is that a 6 year old doesn't have enough life experience and maturity to fully understand the concept of gender identity, let alone decide if they want to alter their gender for the rest of their life. The only way I could see it being ethical to give hormone treatments to someone so young would be if they were biologically an intersex person (someone who does not have the typical XX female or XY male chromosomes, for example).

[Bananaman177]

@WalterBlack I'm afraid that there's an agenda driving this gender-bending movement and it has nothing to do with wanting to help people who really are suffering from gender dysmorphia or whatever other psychological problem.

[eshedd]

Wtf, it is illegal and it should stay illegal, and if it becomes legal I’m gonna go a little purge to get rid of those sick people, though I don’t think a 17 year old sleeping with an adult should be illegal