All true statements here!
@Prof_Don Thank you.
Oh, did we not have rape laws before or. .. ? Fun fact women rape men at comparable rates but instead of talking about that men are told they should be thankful for it. In fact when men started pointing out that they too have been sexually harassed and raped (mostly by women) they where pushed out of the "movement" and told that it was only for women. In fact one feminist college professor who supported the metoo movement found herself caught up in it when it came out that she had sexually assaulted some of her male students, "thankfully" every one supported her and the school sided with her instead of the victim. Same thing happened with Asia argento who talked about how evil and sleazy men where and how they constantly tried to rape and assault her. . . until it came out that she raped an underage boy and then paid large sums of money to cover it up (luckily no one in the metoo movement did anything about it because the aggressor was a woman and that doesn't count). Not to mention that upwards of 40% of all accusations of sexual assault and rape are PROVABLY false, yet are accepted as fact by the public regardless of evidence. So yeah, its not been a benefit to anyone and has actually made it so men trust women even less then they did before because when men do wrong they are punished but when a woman does wrong she is rewarded and men simply don't trust women anymore.
@hellionthesagereborn Thanks for pointing out that fact.I do hope that due to the fact that men trust women even less now we will finally be left in peace and not constantly be catcalled, hit on, picked up, sexualized and objectified. Deal?
Oh I agree, I think men should pretend like women don't exist because women will not last one week. They will freak out and start behaving in ever more disfunctional ways to get men's attention, for men to validate them. I think it would be hilarious. Sadly that is not the case and men will continue to persue women (because women refuse to step up and take risks and do it themselves (then bitch and whine that guys are creeps when a guy they don't like goes and gets the nerve to ask her out (what a piece of shit for thinking your attractive and might have value (A mistake no mane should ever make right?)). I would love nothing more then women to be treated EXACTLY as women treat men, because again, you wouldn't last a single week (so many women would be fired from their jobs for sexual harassment, so many women put in jail for sexual assault and rape, it would be great). Personally I've never catcalled a girl in my life, never sexually harassed (and lets be honest, most men don't women just take every single action as if it was sexual, he says hi to you? Sexual asault. He bumps into you on accident? That's rape. etc. etc.) and the overwhelming majority (we are talking 96% of men) will never commit rape. so you already have what your demanding. But yes now women are going to suffer for their rampant hatred of men because men are going to not want to be around them (suprising I know), so yes your going to get what you asked for.
@hellionthesagereborn Do I detect the attitude of an incel here?
Nope. What you detect is the frustration of watching hypocrisy going unchecked and of the pandering to a gender that is now making them think they are perpetual victims. Its infuriating as all evidence shows its not the case and also because its really damaging to society, men, and good women (who are getting rarer by the day it seems). I don't like injustice and I don't like hypocrisy, that's what your detecting (nice trying to attack me instead of the argument though.).
@hellionthesagereborn So what would you call the fact that women were abused, misused, humiliated, demeaned, dishonored and deprived of their most basic rights since homo erectus. That would make about 2 million years of slavery.We were solely considered sexual objects and guys never even asked women whether they wanted to be their sex slaves for so many years.Times have changed and it is about time that we misuse you for next 2 million years and see how you like it. How about that for a change?
I would say that you clearly have done no research (first and foremost, homo erectus? Really? That's more then two million years ago first off and second, those are not even human, and third how the hell would any one know what happened then), as we know that all of those claims are patently false and provably so. I mean common sense alone shows that's false based upon how women are treated i. e. better then men ever have been treated, and two because of the fact that every single law shows it, and three because we know that for instance, women's suffrage was opposed by WOMEN. The issue isn't women where enslaved (that's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Really? Men fought and died to protect women and did so because they where property? 1347 men died vs. 103 women on the titanic because of the women and children first policy and they did this because they hated women and viewed them as slaves? What kind of moronic bullshit is that? You have to be a whole other kind of sexist to think that men are just so pure evil, purely malicious, to believe that they would enslave their mothers, sisters, daughters and wives even while seeing how they fucking sacrifice themselves regularly for women. I'm sure your father was an absolute piece of shit human being, just as I'm sure your boyfriend/husband is, just as your son (if you have one (maybe you hate men so much you'll take to aborting male offspring as some feminists have)) will more then likely be an evil piece of shit. Or maybe, your just really sick in the head, never bothered to study history in the slightest, never got your head out of you own ass to see men sacrificing regularly for women every where. Women opposed their right to vote because men (who in the US only got the right 67 years before women did) got it through conscription i. e. legal enslavement of the male population for combat purposes.
That is the only reason why men go the right to vote and women where terrified of having the same loss of rights and same responsibility as men had. Women didn't control the money when married because they wanted men to be the ones responsible for their economic well being which necessitated them having control over the income generated (and is also why men would be imprisoned for their wives debts in many places). Same goes for property and everything else. Women on the other hand could choose not to marry and do as they wish. So no, women where never treated as slaves but men are treated like monsters as you have kindly illustrated. Its quite disgusting and I hope you never enter into a relationship with a man nor have a male child because no one deserves to suffer through that much hatred and animosity for simply being born the "wrong" gender.
I pity you, I really do. You have to be a special kind of broken to be so twisted and hateful on the inside to hate and despise half the human population, to see them as monsters even as they endlessly sacrifice for you. What the hell did your father do to you to deserve that hatred?
@hellionthesagereborn We will leave it to that. Clearly, you have some serious issues in your life.Perhaps you should settle those first. Some psychiatric sessions would really help you here.As your name suggests it so nicely, it seems that you are indeed a rowdy, mischievous, and troublemaking person.
Says the woman who accused all men of being so devoid of morals and empathy, to accuse men of being so monsterous that they would abuse their wives, their mothers and their own daughters for absolutely no reason other then they happen to be male. I don't think I'm the one who needs help, I'm not the one saying half the population and most of the people in my life don't deserve to be viewed as human. Sadly your not going to reflect on this and consider that maybe seeing men as worthless and/or evil is some what deranged and seek the help you need.
@hellionthesagereborn I must thank you for indirectly giving me this MHO. Thanks to your contribution and the fact that reason prevails over established demeaning and imposed sexual practices by a large number of men.The movement is here to stay until the selfish male domination has totally been abolished.
Wow, your really broken inside. I was a bit irritated by you before, now I just pity you. But if you want to hate and destroy lives that's your choice to make and so the consequences of that will be yours as well.
Excellent answer! And it's funny that more guys liked your comment.
@Shezadi Women in general are more naive and less prone to analyzing and thinking for themselves. Sadly.
True. I am glad that I am one of those few women who actually analyse and think hopefully...
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Some people will not learn until it slaps them in the face. The upper/middle class feminists who pushed #METOO have never had to deal with the blow-back from it, its those hard working women lower down the corporate ladder who have been the worst affected.
Right now it sounds like you are just trying to survive.I hope you manage to open up to someone some day then you won't be feeling so alone. FYI you are brave.
Thank you for your sweet comment. It means a lot
Does this mean that you will never trust a man again?
Oh no I have a fiancé. But it took about a year for me to get physically comfortable with him. And I still haven’t told him about it
You are right because a woman's sexual history was something that in years past lawyers couldn't ask about because it might be influence the jury in a rape trial. Prior to that lawyers could break down the victim on the stand and either the woman would give up or her past might do her in like if she had lots of partners or had been a sex worker.
Was this case in the US?
Wow, this is actually insane. I think a lot of women use it as an excuse to get out of their mistakes.
@Darkistoolight__ yes and once a woman lied because she didn't want her partner to know she cheated
That's awful. This isn't a cheating story but years ago I worked in an outlet fragrance and cosmetics shop. We used to write a person's name and driver's license information on the receipts the first time they made a credit card buy. After that we never asked again. One time my assistant manager got a call about a possible fraudulent charge on a credit card. My assistant checked the paperwork and then it was clear that the wife had lied to her husband about a charge. This wasn't something uncommon. One customer told me as she left the store that she was hiding her purchase in the closet so her husband wouldn't know. I thought what kind of marriage is that. The problem with some women lying is that it makes it hard on the women who are not lying and on the men whose lives are ruined in the process. It is very easy to sway people to believe a person is guilty but it is very hard to get people to forget even when it is proven that a person is innocent.
I didn't mean my assistant told the person the other person lied she just gave the information to the American Express representative and that person said oh that is the wife.
So your not allowed to look at the persons character and habits when judging them? Then what do you have to go on except some ones words? Are we allowed to look at a mans past just not a woman's?
@hellionthesagereborn It goes back to when women who were clearly raped would be terrorized on the stand. I'm talking back before the 1990s. Many women would drop rape charges so they wouldn't get dragged through the dirt or have further emotional trauma.
@sejla well in today's world, the west is quite liberal, so they wouldn't judge a woman's past. In 1950s, people were conservative.
@sejla What evidence do you have of that? Rape has always been taboo. I don't know of a single time in our history that it was viewed positively or that it was acceptable. I'm sorry but saying something is true and being able to prove it are two very different things and rape has always been illegal in the US and no, as far as I know at no point where women "harassed" for being raped. In fact they where not even punished for cheating or having sex out of wedlock as thanks to seduction laws, a woman could simply claim the man said he would marry her and he would be imprisoned for a minimum of two years and if she had cheated on her husband the husband could sue her lover for lost wages (since he was legally obligated to care for his wife and during the time of the affair he was taking care of her while she was being unfaithful), meaning that even then the man was punished not the woman. I'm sorry but reality is completely different then what your claiming. Rape has been shunned just as harming a woman has always been shunned (again, based upon the laws, taboos, and norms of society).
Yeah but almost immediately women started screaming at men that they couldn't be a part of it and in one case a female professor was protected by the school when it came out that she sexually assaulted her male students. Terry Crews was allowed to speak out but it was because it was done by a man not a woman.
I tried to tell a Me Too story about the time I was sexually assaulted by a woman and was promptly told to STFU by many women. Apparently sexual assault is something only women are capable of experiencing...
@jessture Those women are idiots. Sexual abuse is sexual abuse regardless of the gender of the victim.
Yes! And the definition of rape is not clear anymore because in one case a woman regretted it and filed a case, in Ched Evans case.
I also agree that indeed it has removed credibility from real rape victims when people hijacked the original movement and made up stuff just to fit in the hype.
You said it in a nutshell.
Except in almost every single instance their was no evidence presented, evidence showed that the woman was lying or it was done anonymously. Meanwhile our laws on sexual abuse and rape are harsh on the accused and easy on victims (so much so that they found that upwards of 40% of all accusations are false, despite which men are still imprisoned for false allegations all the time and when a woman does admit she lied she suffers almost no punishment for it). That is not true in the slightest, women are always believed no matter how Ludacris the story is (As the Kavanaugh incident and the Neil Degrass Tyson accusation, and the matress girl and the Rolling stones magazine incident all show).
Interesting. What would be an example of how the metoo movement effects upper and lower class differently?
Hurting in what way?