Thoughts on the statement 'men are trash'?

[CubsterShura]

'Men are trash'. An incredibly commonly used term especially by the modern women, mainly said as a response to events of men committing rape, infidelity, pedophilia, or something less of an offense like sharing unpopular opinions especially if they can get interpreted as sexist, or even for no good reason at times.

Not gonna lie, while I definitely know there are many good men out there and all men are definitely not trash at all, I personally get why it is a thing.

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So guys think:
1) that I believe most men are trash due to my past experiences with men in relationships. The fact is, I don't even have a lot of history with guys to begin with, and the ones that exist are very insignificant to what I think of men in general.
2) That I think women are flawless beings who can do no harm. I don't believe that either, instead I bring up quite a lot of times on how women also propagate misogyny and commit shit like honor killings and sex trafficking.
BLNT.

[Dave-from-Illinois]

I worked at a health club years ago and found both men and ladies capable of being pure trash. There was one guy who after playing tennis would sit at the bar and screw around with other women while his wife was at home. One time his wife showed up because it was his birthday and foolishly bought him a stripper. When the stripper came in was when he kicked her out of the club because he wanted to have a little fun and did not want his wife watching. His wife did not fully leave but ended up seeing him enjoying licking whipped cream off the ladies breast and she left crying. He later called her from the health club asking how much she paid and why she did not pay for her to take it all off as the stripper only took off her top and not her bottom. I hope she divorced his sorry ass but I have seen ladies cheat on their husbands at home.

What I found funny is how women often defend the woman cheating claiming her husband must be lousy as an excuse for why she cheated but if the man cheats then it is "OMG! What an asshole!"
I've seen a guy punch his wife in the stomach but I have said a lady shove the sharp end of a pencil up her husbands nose putting him in such horrific agony as he gushed blood for telling her to be quiet in front of his friends.
I have seen ladies take advantage of their husbands money as one guy ended up putting his wife through college in her later years. She found a decent job and divorced his ass and sought to soak him for as much as she could get when he was the nicest freaking guy you would have ever met.
Guys may be doing the raping but there are girls who seek revenge by saying the guy raped her as her sick way to just to punish his ass for breaking up with her or cheating with another woman that makes her worse than amphibian shit.
Everyone here can give an example of a shitty man and how he treats women but they also can give examples of how shitty a woman can be to a man as well. If men ever started a Me Also movement then there are several ladies I could have in prison too for inappropriate sexual misconduct to me.
I find it odd too that If a guy grabs a females cunt without her consent it is the end of the world but if a guy complains a female grabbed his cock and was bothered she did that to him then many women would give two shits about it. Just go back and watch the Bobbit story where she cut off her husbands dick while he was sleeping. Telling me, if she was abusive to him and he cut off her breasts then would women say, "She had it coming?" No, but they said that about him.
Both sexes can be purely evil. If we focus on the man saying he cheats and does awful things will only confirm to other females when they hear domestic disputes or a man cheating on his wife that men are trash and what they heard before about them must be true. It becomes easy to not see the other side of it. It's like this racist guy I worked with that said, "Ever notice that Mexicans out here will carpool 5 to 6 guys and they always have a taillight out?" The weird thing was that I never noticed the white/black guys piled in a car with a taillight out but only Mexicans after hearing that BS. This is how hate is built. This is how a group is stereotyped. This is how people start viewing others as an enemy.
When Trump said Mexicans are rapists and murderers then what do you think went through certain people's heads when they hear of illegal immigrants who raped or killed a US citizen? They seem to forget of all the wonderful Mexicans we have that never do such things and also seem to forget how all other races commit such crimes.
I rather say, "That man did something awful" and "That lady did something awful" than saying "Men as a whole are trash" and "Females as whole are trash." Stereotyping just plain sucks. That's my take on this.

[Snakeyes7]

I agree with everything until the Trump part. That was a bad example because Trump was talking about the MS-13 gang members who were illegal immigrants from Mexico. People love to take that way out of context.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well its a thing because women are pampered. See women are just as likely to commit rape as men, the difference is no one cares when it happens to a man or worse its turned into a joke (or he was "gay for not wanting it"). Women are as likely to be pedohiles as men are (if not more so. Look up "teacher has sex with student" and you will see almost all cases are female teachers with male students, they have also found that sexual abuse of minors in custody (juvenile detention centers) was almost entirely done by women (over 90% of rapes where commited by women against the boys in custody (the women would frequently claim that if they didn't cooperate they would accuse the boy of raping them which as we all know is far more likely to be believed). Women are also not acknowledged for being the aggressor in domestic violence despite statistical data showing that they are actually MORE likely to commit domestic abuse then men are (same goes with child abuse). They then turn around and demand that men take responsibility for everything and women for nothing, they demand men be traditional then claim sexism when a man wants a woman to be even moderately traditional i. e. have some form of reciprocation in the relationship. So that's why you get its a thing, because women are given such a free pass for every horrific thing they do (statistically they even get a third less of a sentence then men for commiting the same crime and that's if they are sentenced at all which most are not (one woman stabbed her boyfriend in the leg and threw a laptop at his head while high, she wasn't charged with a crime. Another bashed a mans face in with a beer mug because he hit on her, he had to get fifteen stitches in his face, she wasn't charged. Three women accused a taxi driver of rape, he had a camera showing it never happened, they where not charged with anything. Etc. etc. etc.) If anything I would say that modern women are trash and provably so, not all of course but the majority and the worse part is they are so pampered and protected by society that none of them will own up to their rampant privilege and poor conduct.

[KaitieSearching]

It’s offensive. I don’t get why it’s a thing, because even if you could find a trash worthy guy somewhere on the most wanted list, it’s an uncompromising general statement. I have a father, a plethora of uncles, male cousins, grandfathers, etc... they are all good men. Horribly flawed, just like the next person, sure, but ultimately really good guys. I love them. So, even being a woman, that offends me. Plus, if I ever have a son, I’ll be ready to rip out the vocal chords of anyone who says something like that. I don’t interact tons with men; I’m not “one of the guys” or anything. But my experience is in loving them.

[CubsterShura]

I've personally experienced and witnessed both good men and 'trash' men... Unfortunately I had to come to the conclusion that there are more trash men than good men out there.

And in case you're wondering, no it's not my past relationships and my exes or anything like that, I have way too few exes to call all men trash because of one or two bad experiences with guys doesn't represent all. It's identifying wrong behavior among men in my own family, school/class/peers, social media, my sister's male dominant workplace, and more. I think people lost their standard on how a good man should be, which is why most believe that most men aren't trash.

[KaitieSearching]

Wow.

[AmandaYVR]

It's a terribly harsh, all-encompassing statement, and I don't think it should ever be said. Only rapists, murderers, violent individual criminals deserve this title, and to be thrown away like the garbage they are. All others, it is not fair to lump them in with this small minority. People need to be supported, not criticized. Criticism only makes things worse (although, yes, some can use a good swift kick in the ass until they smarten up.) But let's be nice to them, the ones who are treating us nicely too. We are all just people, trying to figure this life thing out.

[OlderAndWiser]

Judging an entire group on the basis of the actions of a few is called prejudice.

[CubsterShura]

Hence why I mentioned that I definitely don't believe that all men are trash. I unfortunately believe that most are trash though.

[OlderAndWiser]

I hope that your perspective changes as you get more experience with men.

[CubsterShura]

I hope so too. I really do. It's not a pleasant thought for me either.

[KrakenAttackin]

More than likely your taste in men sucks. Men are pretty straightforward, so if you pick a "trashy" one, it is a choice you made.

[CubsterShura]

@KrakenAttackin nice try assuming that my conclusion was based off of my past relationships. I haven't even had much history with guys to draw a conclusion based on that

But wait, it must be my fault that I was born in a family and society where I can see trashiness in men, or is it my fault that my eyes are open to mischiefs of even the men among my loved ones for me to identify their trashy behavior?

[DevilsAdvocator]

Also an incredibly commonly used term especially by women throughout history, mainly said as a way to dehumanize males, and justify killing them in their droves. Which YOU DO. Even excluding abortions, the global rate of infant (children under the age of 4) homicide stands at over 7 per 100,000, and has been on the rise since the early 1990s. In comparison, the global homicide rate (which explicitly excludes infanticide for some reason- wonder why?) stands at 6.2 per 100,000, and has been in decline for several decades. As it stands, right now, you're more likely to be murdered in your first 4 years of life, by your parent (most commonly, your own mother) than by literally everyone else you'll ever encounter in the rest of your life combined. Yet infanticide is trivialized and excused by society to such an extent, swept under the rug, in spite of the fact that infants are the most vulnerable, dependent, and need to be protected the most.

Across most of the world, especially in the Anglosphere, infanticide has a maximum sentence of only five years, and most often, those who commit infant homicide are exempted from custodial sentences entirely. Why is this the case? Could it be because an estimated 80% of those who commit infanticide are women, and because if infant homicides were considered to constitute actual acts of homicide as well (seeing as how they are and all), the statistics would show that women, not men, are in fact the primary perpetrators of homicide? And because the majority of infant homicide victims, contrary to the media's focus solely on the selective infanticide of girls in some cultures, are actually boys (roughly 60-40)?

I totally get why it's a thing. Because when you have the societal attitude that 'men are trash', it's far, FAR easier to justify slaughtering them in their droves, like pests to be exterminated, or merely like inconveniences to be dispensed with, simply for the crime of BEING BORN WITH A PENIS. Like your generation of 'modern women' looove saying, "The Future Is Female", after all- and you can't have that exclusively female future without escalating towards your 'final solution' to get rid of boys, now can you?

[CubsterShura]

A lot of women kill their babies for facing factors that could have easily been prevented though. I do get these news of women killing their newborn, but they were because:
1) Rape child
2) Rape child part 2 but by war. For example, after the 1971 Liberation War of Bangladesh, millions of women were raped during the war and many of them bored children of the rival Pakistani Military. These women were heavily persecuted by their families and community even when the first president of Bangladesh tried to promote honoring the female survivors of this torture. These women killed themselves or killed their babies after birth. None of them would have to do that is they weren't persecuted in the first place
3) Postpartum depression. Needs more awareness.
And so on. While not all child murders by mothers are caused because the mother has been the victim of something, many child murders happen for this reason... And it is rooted down to lack of regard for women.
Just a good for thought.

[CubsterShura]

Food* for thought

[DevilsAdvocator]

The fact still stands- YOU are killing predominantly MALE babies, in COLD BLOOD, at a higher rate than all of the world's other murderers, wars and conflicts COMBINED. And your response? "Oh, it doesn't matter, it's coz we're facing factors which could've easily been prevented by YOU MEN providing for us more, it's THE EVIL WHITE PATRIARCHY's fault for YOUR LACK OF REGARD FOR US WOMEN, who cares about all of those 500K+ babies that we women are killing off every single YEAR now anyway, they're mostly BOYS! They'd grow up to be grown MEN! And MEN ARE TRASH- they DESERVE to be strangled in their cradles, if they weren't poisoned to death in the fetal stage before then like they should've been (just like the estimated 56M+ who are being aborted every single year now- who again, just so happen to be predominantly male, in spite of all the propaganda to the contrary)! YOU NEED TO VALUE US WOMEN MORE- WE ONLY NEED TO DEVALUE YOU MEN FURTHER! COZ YOU'RE TRASH!"

[DevilsAdvocator]

You want food for thought? Without female infanticide, and without abortions, there would be an estimated 1 BILLION extra people, mostly children, teenagers and young adults, in this world. The Western World as a whole, the region where the social practice of abortion has become normalized and casualized by the female population to the greatest extent, would NOT be in demographic collapse, with an aging population; but would instead still be growing, at a relatively healthy, steady rate, comparable to that of China. And in the past 30-50 years or so, women have been personally responsible for claiming the lives of more male children, through infanticide, than the number of male lives claimed by both World Wars combined, INCLUDING civilian casualties, AND the Holocaust. But hey, I'm sure it's all just "rooted down to a lack of regard for women", eh?

[CubsterShura]

Uh I NEVER said that these murders matter. I think the opposite I think these issues need more awareness and it's horrible when women don't get treatment for postpartum depression, war rape victims are rejected by society, etc. All I said is that maybe these issues aren't always related to women simply wanting to control or hate men. Also killing mostly baby boys could be because they are afraid the baby boy would resemble the father that traumatized them, I heard about it several times.

Again, I never said women are special or Primadonnas that need constant pampering. But a little bit of social awareness hurts no one.

[CubsterShura]

I mean, I never said the murders don't matter.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

@CubsterShura are you seriously defending women who LITERALLY MURDER BABIES and spinning it as another symptom of "lack of regard for women"? (Just say what you really mean, it's those pesky toxic MEN up to their wily tricks with their darned #patriarchy, isn't it?). Anyone who rapes or kills a defenseless child should be hung from the neck until dead. I do agree that P. P. depression needs more research done into ways of treating it, doesn't excuse child murder though.

It just seems utterly galling to me that in another comment you say "I say men are trash when [male] pedos rape kiddies"... and yet you defend baby killers because they happen to have a vagina?

I would phrase my disagreement in more civil terms usually... but this is just... unprecedented.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

edit: perhaps "defending" is a strong word, I'm not suggesting you actually are in favour of infanticide or anything. But it seems you're giving these women a lot more leniency than the men who abuse infants. Why not hold to the same standards? Why does the fact they're women mean we should go to these lengths to "understand" why they murder children? Compared to the men, who are obviously just monsters with no other explanation necessary... right?

[CubsterShura]

@SomeGuyCalledTom because this is the truth and doing something about it could have actually prevented all that. I have no reason to lie or make things up.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

So why not try to "understand" men who rape babies? By your logic we could prevent that too.

Maybe we're in disagreement over the semantics of "understanding"?

From the clinical perspective, understanding is good, and researchers could have a field day putting out a new thesis of "what drives women to kill their young". If new preventive measures emerge from that, then I'm all for it.

From the socialisation perspective, understanding can easily be taken as an excuse to downplay the crimes. It becomes a false narrative of "she was driven to it BECAUSE society misunderstood her." To put in context, imagine a male paedophile saying in court "I only raped children coz society didn't understand me". Wouldn't fly with any jury, yet women who kill their own kids (often in unbelievably brutal/ sadistic ways) are portrayed as victims of a patriarchal society that dismisses them and thus "drove them to it".

I can understand the desire to attribute accurate causes to past events, so as to prevent them happening again. But once someone rapes or murders a child, in my opinion they lose any claim to being a victim

[CubsterShura]

@SomeGuyCalledTom I do understand why men rape babies. They aren't attracted to babies they just look for the most vulnerable target and they know it's easier to get away with sexually abusing a child. When I was sexually abused by my cousin as a toddler I was too young to even understand what was going on, and I never told anyone. Most people who harass children know them, they are most possibly the child's relative or neighbor. Parents are also less likely to take a child's words seriously and if the complaints involve a family member, parents even push the kid to talk to them more so that the kids doesn't hate them anymore. The key to prevent this is to watch out for any adult that your child spends time with, including your own close family members and friends.

Yes once a criminal commits a crime they deserve their due punishment however that still doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand why it happens and ensure that it is minimized.

[DevilsAdvocator]

So, still preaching about 'justifications' for the most heinous crimes, and refusing to contemplate simply condemning them?

[CubsterShura]

Ok let's never discuss WHY some crimes happen and what can be done to end it because that's justification of a crime. Lol ok. Whatever.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

"Yes once a criminal commits a crime they deserve their due punishment however that still doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand why it happens and ensure that it is minimized. "

I agree on that

[Sonorous]

Sayings like those were all too common when my parents were going through their divorce. My mother always said stuff like that in the heat of the moment. In my opinion, it's just taking the easy way out. A vague generalization that further solidifies a victim mentality. If she was hurt by a woman, she'd likely say something similar about women.

But I do understand why people say it. They say it because "people" are trash! Either that or like you said, "sharing unpopular opinions." Both genders have their strong suits and weak points. So when someone insults a specific gender, they could be focusing on that reoccurring weak point.

If I'm in a scenario where I see negative reoccurrences in any gender, I always try not to generalize. It's as easy as just adding "some" or "so many" before you state the gender. It's even better if statistics are shown that way people don't think it's an emotional lash out with no logic to back it up. Because attributing a few people's faults to the whole batch is just unfair.

[N192K001]

This seems like a symptom of a larger problem where male-female relations are so messed-up here in the States, that (if ever I do) I'll probably only seek a mate back in Asia, instead.

It would be great relations could be fixed, but that does not seem likely today. Even if we tried to press 'rewind' to undo the damage, there are undeniable problems with the traditional male-female relational attitudes, behaviors, and expectations, hence the movements against them. If elements of erring components could be replaced with counterpart elements from other cultures, we might be able to fix this, but that does not seem likely, either.

Oh, well.

[CubsterShura]

Trust me it's worse in South Asia

[N192K001]

Yeah… Even in my side of Southeast Asia, the Philippines (ranked 8th most gender-equal nation in the world & 1st in Asia), the people are changing with more promiscuity, illegitimate children illegal abortions, legal & de-facto separations, etc. Both sides are equally making bad decisions in significant numbers.

And it seems worse in here in the U. S., where even middle-schoolers (& sometimes elementary-schoolers) are already dating when marriage is nowhere even close to a feasible long-term outcome. Apparently dating here is considered just a form of fun & experimentation, rather than a serious search with marriage in mind… until you're (much) older. So, what exactly are they practicing for when marriage is in mind‽ What attitudes & behaviors are being incentivized by 1st rewarding the 'fun & sexy girlfriend-material' and leaving the 'classy & virtuous wife-material' for later… and, then complain that all women are dirty sluts? 'There are no more good women,' they'll say. But, WHO contributed to that‽

The effects of the hormonal-high associated with 'love' (truly 'infatuation' or 'limerence' in scientific-terms) seems serious enough to cloud judgement of both parties under the influence.
sitn.hms.harvard.edu/.../

Sometimes, I wish for a more rational, fact-based system taking from China's marriage-resumés, Japan's marriage-interviews, some sort of inter-family negotiations, Indian arrangement of marriages, and Jewish marriage-contracts. With the 'marriage for love' model being a relatively now invention in human history, perhaps our ancestors were right… to a limit. They also did overdo it to the point of sometimes joining people who would be strategic together, but hated each other's guts or just used marriage to forge clan-alliances with no consideration for the 2 who were to be joined to do so. If we could just form a balance, such a system would probably work… I'd think.

[BCA6010]

Well technically speaking on the grand scheme of things, any given person is basically expendable trash, but I have yet to see anybody who says "men are trash" try to use a scientific or pragmatic argument for their claim, and is instead entirely an emotional argument.

We get it. They had a bad experience or possibly several- and it probably never occured to them that maybe they have terrible taste in partners. People look incredibly stupid when they make such claims though, and that certainly isn't helping their chances.

[MEWHITEMANMEBAD]

it’s just bitter feminist talk. Twitter feminists are the most man hating people on earth and they say men are sexist. Women are by far more sexist then men. Imagine if a man said tweeted something like this. This women literally said she hopes men die from an injection and it gets 100K likes if a guy did this it would be called toxic masculinity and patriarchy bla bla. And those are the same women that wonder why guys dont want relationships and just want to fuck. Why would guys want relationships with modern women

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

94k likes. Unbelievable. Oh wait, it's Twitter... yeah this checks out.

[onedownseven]

Its a free society. Some men are cocky and living of theyre ego and fake selfesteem. Some are "real men" that treat everyone good, without losing themselfes and care about people and themselfes in a nearly perfect balence, while others just feed theyre ego and lack disciplin.

But the same goes for woman. While in my view... tbh woman rn are worse than men. In terms of toxicity and disciplin. You see a lot of girls saying all men are trash and they never treat them good enough etc. Question to those: is it really just the men? Or is your attitude maybe a part of why men treat you as they do?

[ShortCircuit]

It's collectivist bullshit. The individual who committed that particular instance of rape, or the individual who cheated in that particular instance, is a piece of shit. Nothing else can be said in response to those sorts of events. It's just lazy and/or looking for an excuse to slander a group of people they already harbored resentment for.

[Alpha09]

I think it can be used in response to what you mentioned. Do think that should be your continuous attitude? No. Most of us after being cheated on or seeing some shit involving a guy we have said "men ain't shit" or "men are trash." But unless you're an easily triggered idiot you will understand that it doesn't mean all guys. It's like saying "people are stupid" at your job and a customer was being illogical. So I have no problem with the statement as long as it's used appropriately, because there are plenty of great men out there.

[Armourdillo]

Women are stupid cunts

[Armourdillo]

Anyone offended is a triggered idiot

[Djaay]

@Armourdillo. You're the one who is triggered...

[Armourdillo]

Lol white knight cuck

[CubsterShura]

I clearly mentioned that I don't believe all men are trash'.

[CubsterShura]

Also yes I agree that it's just a statement that comes into mind when you hear about some guy screwing up again. Big eye roll moment.

[jss123]

Women aren't any better. I've been cheated on lots but women always seem to come off best even after that because its always the man's fault somehow. My ex had an affair with a married man. Everyone knew because she didn't hide it. There was only repercussions for me.. Crazy.

[bamaslamma]

Amen, same here bro

[CubsterShura]

Your ex was trash. I'm glad you got rid of her.

[Duckysback]

I prefer the more inclusive expression “people are trash”

[CubsterShura]

Lol yeah sometimes I feel the same.

[tzdc21]

Whenever a woman is talking about dating and she says "All men are trash," that screams so many red flags about her. First off, that shows that she can't more than likely keep a man around. Second, it shows the type of men that she is attracted to. If all the men that she's dealt with are trash, then my response to her saying, "All men are trash" is, "No, the men YOU pick are trash." Because as you mentioned, I know so many great guys who have hearts of gold and would never take advantage of anyone, and to say those type of men are trash is just stupid, short sighted, pathetic, and overall disgraceful.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

It's a vile and pathetic slur that has no place in common (or even uncommon) discourse. The fact so many women tolerate or even promote this kind of man-trashing is disgusting, and a sign of a society at odds with itself. Men are literally one half of that society-- the society which provides the very lifestyle that "modern women" covet. So to say "men are trash" is to say "the society that feeds my lifestyle is at least 50% trash". Do the math, feminazis.

[Randomawkwardness]

It's kinda like how some men say 'women are gold diggers' or 'all women are sluts', I mean is some true? I'm not going to lie, yes. Some women are definitely gold diggers and while I don't agree with the term of slut, some women are very promiscuous. Therefore, are men trash? Yes, some are. Not all but some. I would personally never call someone trash because it can have lasting effects on their mental state but I do understand why others do.

[Lynx122]

It's always entitled immature girls who say this so I don't take it seriously. Actually spending time thinking about when someone says something negative like that is not a good thing. It can only have a negative impact on you so it's best to just not even care.

[CubsterShura]

Entitled and immature... In all honesty I think I was more immature when I didn't know or understand how problematic most men are. I used to be nice and all until I realized... Well, a bunch of stuff. And I came to conclusion that most men are trash and it's hard to trust any.

[YHL6965]

This is an exaggeration and overstatement coming from bitter women who got hurt by men in the past but can't get over their wound. It's sad that they turn to hatred and bitterness, adding more negativity to this world, instead of healing their wounds.

[ShadowofRegret]

Women aren't any better, while women might see the worst in men, men see the worst in women, you really can't see just how bad they can be unless you are a guy, it goes both ways, really the human race as a whole is trash, men and women alike.

[ChiTown33]

When women say such a thing it usually makes me laugh. Because most the time it stems from her being burned by a guy. So rather than own up to her poor decision making she chooses to paint EVERY guy with the same brush. How can you do anything but laugh at that type of logic.

[CubsterShura]

I say it when I read another news of some pedo raping a 2yo.

[ChiTown33]

Well in that case i woulsn't even call him trash. That's too much of acompliment. Only an animal does such a thing.

[CubsterShura]

Even animals don't forcibly mate with the young.

[SydneySentinel]

Chi, I see you painting women with the same brush.

[Goodwifie]

I think that men who beat, rape and murder women are trash.
Rape and violence apologist are also trash male or female.
That's it.
I know of too many awesome men to say that about all of them.

[chriscdi]

yea some men are dicks but not all of them some treat women like objects but others treat them like queens but people are different and some people just can't accept it, its easier for them to just blame one thing but personally idc, i couldnt care less. ☺