Black lives matter or all lives matter?

[JustinTheGreat]

all lives don’t matter until black lives do

Black lives matter

All lives matter

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The thing is Black lives matter isn’t saying that other lives don’t matter. It’s just not right now, black people are not being treated right and they aren’t getting justice.

If a house is on fire, you’re going to show special attention to that house and work to put out the fire. You’re not going around and spraying every single house because all houses matter lol
All lives matter but right now black lives are getting taken away from us for no reason. So we need to focus on that.

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It’s just right now**

All lives matter is just another way for white people to make shit about themselves

[Anonymous]

Black lives matter.

Anyone who comes at me with "all lives matter" is trying to avoid the specific focus on how people of color, specifically black people, are oppressed and brutalized in this system. If all lives truly matter to you, then talking about how black people are targeted would be something you're fine with. All lives dont matter to people who say this, in my opinion. It's the same way people claim to be prolife yet somehow don't care what happens to babies when they grow up unwanted or thrown into foster care to develop all kinds of psychological issues with abandonment, trauma, and neglect. They don't want the babies to be aborted but this group also tends to want to cut back the public services that make a huge difference in these kids' lives, nevermind how capitalism allows poverty which has been proven to literally raise stress rates and inhibit cognitive development in young children. They don't give a fuck about life, and "all lives matter" people don't either. Next.

[lolcraft]

Poverty, corruption, inefficient ineffective governments, police brutality, drug trade and use and war has or have or is currently effecting one group or another. These are societal issues that occur across the globe and throughout history. All we can do is try to do better.

[Opinion Owner]

@lolcraft I'm hearing a lot of excuses to justify oppression. Not my politics personally, so not interested. Have a nice life, thanks.

[lolcraft]

Maybe listen the difference between looking for solutions and looking for blame.

[Opinion Owner]

@lolcraft I believe in doing both. If you don't understand the problem, you won't have good or effective solutions. very serious about my politics, no time for do-nothing solutions or justifications for oppression.

[lolcraft]

We're all oppressed, and the only thing I'll justify is my tomorrow being better than my yesterday.

[txdiie_]

#blacklivesmatter

when you say all lives matter you're taking away from the problem with black lives. yes ofcourse all lives matter but right now black people are dying, that's the focus. it's like if your house was on fire, only your house gets hosed down because it's in flames, that doesn't mean the property and houses around it don't matter !!

[hellionthesagereborn]

Who's killing black people? 80% of all interracial violence and crime is commited by blacks. 100% of interracial rapes are commited by blacks. 40% of cops killed are killed by blacks. A police officer is 18.5% more likely to be shot and killed by a black person then a black person is to be shot and killed by a police officer despite the fact that over 50% of all violence and crime in the country is commited by blacks. Over 9,000 blacks are killed by other blacks a year, our annual average for murders is 17000 meaning that 55% of all murders in our country are black on black. So who is killing blacks? Who cares about black lives, is it other blacks?

[Prof_Don]

Black on black crime is a different issue entirely; #BlackLivesMatter is focused on social justice via unfair policing by law enforcement.

No group of the population is perfect. Yes, black on black crime is an issue.

The idea of you intentionally bringing up black on black crime, to justify the frequent killing of unarmed black Americans for no crime to nonviolent crimes by cops... is disgusting.

Why are you afraid of black Americans being treated equally to all other citizens?

[Prof_Don]

It’s peculiar how so many people don’t give a shit about black people dying unjustly, like we don’t matter.

We are American citizens as well!

#BlackLivesMatter

[txdiie_]

@hellionthesagereborn i see you bring these statistics. but there is a high rate of poverty in the black community and people are willing to do anything to survive. obviously you wouldn't understand because you're privileged unlike my people. from the moment i started forming words i was always told to work 10 times harder to get barely half of what a white man gets. see the problem is there has always been unfairness and discrimination. in countries that are predominantly black you don't see things like this (etc Zimbabwe, try search this up but im from there so you can't tell me shit). it's people who are privileged like you who can't see why things like this happens

if you can't see it, you're a part of the problem.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don Except its not unfair policing. When your responsible for over half of crime your going to deal with police more often, your going to get arrested more, get shot more, go to prison more, be suspected more.

This is common sense. When black, Hispanic, and white cops all have the same arrest records, when 99% of all lethal confrontations are legal and warranted (not saying the current one was, it clearly wasn't, he was a piece of shit cop and he had a history of being a piece of shit cop so why the hell he was allowed to keep being one is beyond me. He should have been fired/put in prison years ago), when multiple studies (some from blacks (because I know that the claim, "well every single organization that doesn't agree that blacks are victims of evil white people and cops is racist!", will be used)) show that white cops actually hesitate to shoot black suspects, when a cop is 18.5% more likely to be shot by a black suspect then to shoot a black suspect, when over half of all murders in this country are commited by blacks predominantly against other blacks, we know that what black lives matters is arguing is utter bullshit and not grounded in reality.

Blacks are blacks worse enemy and until the black community owns it shit and actually steps up and does something to fix this problem that has been getting steadily worse since the sixties (its due to the rampant fatherlessness in the black community), their will never be any change. Your asking whites to change but Blacks are the problem.

Your never going to get a solution until you start holding yourself and the black community responsible. Until then, black children are going to continue to die, black communities will remain impoverished, and you/the black community will continue to blame whites for the actions of blacks.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don So, how many blacks have been killed "unjustly"? Almost none. When it does happen, what do we do? What did we do when this happened? Oh yeah, we charged the motherfucker for murder, and put them in prison every fucking time.

It astounds me that you would sit their and act like your the victim when literaly over 9,000 blacks are killed by other blacks a fucking year, but your going to act like this one time incident (and it is one time), is some how common? What about the black cop that was recently killed by black rioters? Did his life matter? Of course not because that doesn't let you play victim when your not one.

Your not treated equally to whites that is true, your treated better. When blacks kill whites (which they do in far greater numbers then the reverse), no one does a fucking thing. When black cops kill unarmed whites (which happens in greater numbers despite blacks being far more likely to come into contact with cops because of their increased rates of criminality) no one does shit. The media gives seven times the coverage for blacks killed by cops then whites, and they always spin it as if they were the victim even when they are not (whether that be Trayvon martin who was a violent thug who attacked a man, or the ferguson incident where he tried to take the cops gun from him so he could kill him (which you would have been perfectly content with because your a racist asshole)). This is why people don't give a fuck anymore, you can only care so much before realizing that a group of people are just parasitical victims manipulating and exploiting your good will for their own gain.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don If this was racism, why don't we see black immigrants with these problems? You would think that Nigerian americans would be held back yet they have lower crime rates, lower incarceration rates, make more money then most white ethnic groups and generally are far more successful. You see the same with most African immigrants (with the exception of somalian immigrants). Its not us, its you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Poverty does not cause criminality. If that was the case we would see higher crime rates amongst whites as their are more (numerically speaking) poor whites then poor blacks. We would see increased crime rates in apalachia, we would see higher crime rates in the south then the north and this is not what the statistics bare out. Chicago has the highest murder rate in the country. Its neither poor nor in the south (yeah, Chicago blacks out earn apalachian whites. They also have fare more material wealth comparatively speaking.).

The reason why blacks are so far more violent then any other group in the country bar none (this is native born blacks by the way, not blacks as a whole. African immigrants are richer and more successful in all respects with lower crime rates then native born blacks and most whites as well), is that they have the highest rates of fatherlessness out of any group. That's why blacks in the fifties where far more likely to graduate school, own their own business, be employed, earn more and go to college, because they were also far more likely to come from an intact home.

Now the black out of wedlock birth rate is 74% and over 60% will never see their father. We know that this increases rates of criminality, poverty, substance abuse, depression, and promiscuity (which perpetuates the problem).

This is the cause of EVERYTHING that the black community blames on whites (which is insanely racist but black people are allowed to get away with racism, hence them being 150% more likely to commit hate crimes, because people will pander to blacks in a vain attempt to appease the black community (who despite all the legal BENEFITS ( descrimination laws are almost entirely designed to cater to blacks (whites don't get to sue for descrimination generally speaking.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Same with hiring quotas which are designed to intentionally favor blacks and disfavor whites, or the policies for getting into college which intentionally descriminate against whites (and Asians who are "over represented" in college i. e. they worked to get their and should be punished for it for the sake of "diversity").

We know the problem, its personal choices in the black community and that itself stems from fatherlessness which none of us are allowed to talk about or point out because if a white person does criticize black culture and/or the black community they are "racist"(never mind that blacks are allowed to claim that them killing each other is some how all white peoples fault, blame us for shit that happened 150 years ago that most people actually opposed (we fought a war over it, maybe you heard about it?) etc. etc. etc.), and god help you if your a black person who dares step up and criticize the black community for being irresponsible and for their victim mentality, your called things that I as a white person am not even allowed to say (don't want to get blocked or banned for repeating white blacks have said on tv about blacks who disagree with this victim narrative). They call them black white supremacists, like they did with candace owens or Larry Elder (a successful black man who went to law school and is very well off because he had a father, didn't break the law and didn't drop out of school and has no criminal record because again, he didn't break the law (and grew up poor too)).

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for Zimbabwe, what am I looking up, the white genocide they commited that toppled their entire economy as they violently murdered white farmers who were the only ones producing enough food for the nation? Or the genocides that blacks commited before whites got their?

If your trying to compare the US to Zimbabwe I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. If you think that its so much better why don't you move their? I'm being serious by the way, every black person likes to claim that in America your violently attacked (never mind that the only people killing you are blacks (not unlike how it would be in Africa (except they use machettees and you have to pay the police to actually do their fucking job and even then, they still won't do all that much))), then why would you stay? Why not go back to Africa? Because you know damn well you would not survive (Africans barely survive in Africa for gods sake). Also we ended our slavery before they did (did you know that Africa was the last place where slavery was legal? Mauritania ended slavery in 1981, that's three years before I was born. Also a fun fact Zimbabwe has a huge issue with slavery today (despite being almost entirely black (because surprise black people can be pieces of shit too! Turns out its not just white people like you thought (not that your going to change your stance).

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for the problem, no I'm not part of the problem, you are. Your defending the murdering of your people, you are protecting those that kill children in your communities, you defend those who rob the stores in your neighborhood that drives them out leaving you ever poorer, you are currently defending those who are violently attacking others, burning down your homes, burning down black run business's, businesses that employ blacks, thus ensuring ever more poverty and violence within your community (your claim being that poverty is the problem (never mind that it isn't and the first black (and female) millionaire was in 1908(yet some how over 100 years later and you still can't drag yourself out of poverty despite laws and social programs giving you every advantage while she had every disadvantage and was still able to make it)).

You are the problem, the great part about that is your also the solution if you choose to be. You can fix this by not being a criminal, by going to school, by making sure you don't have a kid out of wedlock, that you make damn sure that the man you choose to have a kid with is going to be their for his kids and be a good rolemodel for them. If you do these things you can start to fix the problem. But until then, your just amplifying the suffering of blacks through out the country.

[Physics-Man]

@hellionthesagereborn

You tell em' brother!

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Physics-Man Trying, but the real question is will they listen? Probably not because its easier to play victim then own your actions and try to be better. But I'll still try regardless.

[Prof_Don]

Hmm, lots of tangents you went off with all of those posts, I must say.

Yes the black American community, like any group of citizens, is imperfect. You obviously know that, as do I.

The focus of the topic, is the excessive force used by police on black Americans.

The key word is “excessive”, as in more force exerted by law enforcement personnel, than would be exerted on a citizen/suspect of another ethnicity in the same situation.

Yes, black Americans have higher crime rates per capita (which overlaps with socio-economic status & a high population % in poor neighborhoods).

BUT, an officer of the law needs to be objective & not stereotype, regardless of the statistics.

Just because a black suspect or a black citizen the officer encounters on the job is black,

does NOT mean the officer can, by default of the person’s race, handle that encounter differently initially.

Each encounter should be initially handled in a uniform basis regardless of the citizen. No prejudice. No stereotyping. Ever.

Negative statistics about that group? Nope. No stereotyping. No prejudice. EVER!
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All those paragraphs you typed and all those examples and data you gave,

is merely a way for you to justify that the lives of black citizens mean less.

That we ALL deserve to be brutalized by law enforcement, by stereotyping us ALL as dangerous, due to negative statistics of the black American population.

The amount of energy spent to dig up those statistics to justify the unnecessary killing of black people is unbelievably high!

When the easy, humanitarian thing to do is to say “that cop shouldn’t have suffocated and killed that grounded & handcuffed citizen.

But you obviously don’t see black Americans (or any black people around the world) as human. 🙄

You will face judgment for your hatred if you don’t change your ways. I sure hope you purge that hatred out of your heart. The sooner the better.

[standingUP]

@Prof_Don Don't you you see how degrading it is to self-deface all the people of negro decent to claim that you matter? That statement alone already keeps black lives from equality. It's as if you asked the biggest white supremacist (GEORGE SOROS) to come up with the title of the movement. Because HE DID !
Of course you matter, you do not get to decide that nor does anyone else. And how come none of these groups that support you have an organization of leadership? BLM is being funded by SOROS. you're all being played to further repress you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don Yeah, all groups have their problem and if whites and Asians and Hispanics were responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime that was about four times their population size then I would be calling them out too.

Yeah this is about police excessive use of force according to BLM and yourself, that's why I pointed out that we know for a statistical fact that this is no the case, that white cops are actually more likely to hesitate to shoot a black suspect i. e. not targeting blacks, blacks are actually disproportionately killed compared to how often they interact with police due to absurdly high criminal rates, they are far more likely to get violent and fight the police resulting in more incidents which again is the fault of the black suspect (and the media and people like yourself who falsely claim that cops are just inherently racist and going to kill them for no other reason then because of their skin color (something that didn't even really happen in the past let alone now) and that 40% of cops are killed by blacks despite them being only 13% of the population and that blacks are more likely to kill a cop then a cop is to kill a black. In short, your premise is police brutality and excessive force except we know that is absolute bullshit and the ones who are having to deal with excessive force and violence is the police and that violence and excessive force is coming from the black community. That's my point. The other point being that if you actually cared about black lives you would actually talk about the fact that more then half of all deaths in this country are of blacks who are being murdered by other blacks which is a far more pressing concern then the what, 12 blacks killed by police that were questionable (not even race related, not necessarily even from white cops, just that they were questionable as to whether or not they where warranted).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don The grand irony in all of this is that your the one who thinks black lives don't matter, that's why you keep defending the behaviors that result in their deaths, like the culture that results in glorification of violence and causal sex, the fatherlessness, and the refusal to take responsibility for their actions and thus give them the ability to fix the problem.

The irony is that I'm the one treating blacks like human beings while you are trying to demand that I treat them like they are LESS. I am saying you are responsible for your actions, just like whites, just like Hispanics, just like Asians, just like muslims, just like Christians, just like jews, just like athiests, just like native americans, just like every other human being on this planet. You however are arguing that blacks are too weak, to helpless, to incapable to be held accountable for their actions, that you are children that need some one, white people, to step in and do everything for you because you can't do it for yourself and that is simply bullshit. You can choose not to kill each other if you want, you can choose not to be violent, you can choose not to get violent with police, you can choose not to be racist, you have that power. Those are not traits that are unique to white people and one day I hope you realize that and fix your fucking problems and your fucking community instead of demanding every one else do it for you (I mean really, you want cops to not do their job? Fine, your about to get it and your going to be the one to suffer for it, blacks are going to die because cops won't be their to stop blacks from killing each other and of course you will be their to say that they were racist for abandoning you just like your saying they are racist for trying to enforce law, just like you say they are racist for not letting you be criminals and racist for calling you criminals when you break the law and racist because they won't give you free shit or any other thing you want.).

[Prof_Don]

@hellionthesagereborn

Trust and believe that as a Black American, I know ALL about the issues in the Black American community, and I am not dismissing them!

Literally half of my black peers growing up, either had an absent father or a broken relationship with their father.

Black-on-black crime is an issue.

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But the topic of the black community’s internal negatives is a separate topic from #BLM.

#BLM is about EXTERNAL issues; in this case:
prejudice from law enforcement regarding my Black American citizens, being manifested via excessive/unnecessary force and death on non-threatening black citizens.

[Prof_Don]

@hellionthesagereborn

Yes, the black community’s issues have to be solved internally.

I’m part of that community, and I’m a high school math teacher (and a Black male teacher teaching math/science is really rare!)...
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... so I do by absolute best to influence positive change (by action and by personal example).

In the meantime, the police need to be OBJECTIVE with policing of black citizens (and all citizens in general), and not stereotype or prejudice the Black population, regardless of statistics or personal beliefs.

This is a very easy, basic, humanitarian thing to support (fair and objective policing for all).

Unfortunately too many people are too anti-media, racist, and/or politically polarized, to advocate for this basic human and societal need...& feel the need to “push back”. 🙄

[sang2020]

@Prof_Don “excessive, ... than would be exerted on a citizen/suspect of another ethnicity in the same situation."

Prove the last part. Give us stats that police use more force on black than whites, Asians, latinos etc.

Note that you would also have to account for factors such as size of the person being arrested, whether they resisted arrest, whether the cops tried other methods before using force, whether the person was armed, type/severity of the crime etc.

[Prof_Don]

I don’t have stats at the moment... but why do you need “proof” to be human and not want a group of people to be unfairly policed?

[sang2020]

@Prof_Don because i believe that most cops are already professional, good and reasonable. If i'm to change that belief, i need evidence.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don Except your not. Your not addressing these issues, these are the real issues facing the community and when you try to claim that a criminal was wrongfully killed (and he was make no mistake about it) that this is equivalent to 9000 plus blacks being killed by other blacks, then you are making excuses for the problem. Second, you are not giving the basic human rights to police officers, you demand that they treat you like a human being as you literally treat them as if they are subhuman. What statistical data do you have to back the claim that they are actively targeting and policing blacks in a way they don't others? None, because I have given you every shred of data on the subject and all of it shows that they treat blacks with kid gloves and that blacks are far more likely to be violent with them and try and succeed in killing them then cops are to harm blacks. It shows that in almost every case the black person killed was in fact in the wrong and it was self defense and in that incredibly slim occurrence when its not, that officer is tried for his crime and/or fired for misconduct. Their is no argument here, just excuses for why the black community is not to blame for anything and why "evil" whites and "evil" cops are the problem. That's literally the racism you claim to be against that you are spewing out. You cannot call for equal treatment and not treat people equally any more then you can advocate for the truth while lying.

[Prof_Don]

@sang2020 I know most police are good cops. I never implied that most or all officers are crooked.

[Prof_Don]

@hellionthesagereborn the hatred for me and my black Americans is far too high for you to have any humanity about us at all.

You’re not a lost cause, but that toxic hate in your heart needs to be purged before it’s too late. I’ll pray for you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don No. Your the one filled with hate and animosity. You despise whites that's why you blame them for everything and accuse them of coming after you (rather conceited in my opinion) and act as if all we do is secretly meet with each other and discuss how to screw you over (your not that important). You also hate blacks, that's why every moment of your life you make excuses for why they are failing, why its always some how white peoples fault. Are native born blacks more violent then any other group bar none? Yep, its evil racist cops fault for trying to enforce the law (never mind that Nigerian americans don't have these issues and neither do Asians or any one else for that matter). Are native born blacks the most impoverished group in the country? Yep, because "racism"(never mind that the richest groups in America are all minorities and Nigerian americans out earn most white ethnic groups).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don So you want this problem fixed? You want white people to use their superior powers (because you do in fact believe that, its why you make excuses at every turn for why you can't do what whites and every one else does (its demeaning to blacks to be honest and quite racist (but your too stuck in your victim mentality to see it)) to fix all your problems? Okay, I'll be your daddy, I'll tell you what you can and cannot do, what you can and cannot say. Of course your also going to listen and obey it because if you don't then your taking responsibility for your actions. So I forbid you to act like a fucking victim. Your not weak, so stop acting like it. If a white person can suck it up and take responsibility for his actions so can you because your not less then them, your not a fucking perpetual child that doesn't have self awareness so your no longer allowed to act like it. Your not allowed to break the law. I know its unfair, no one else gets to break the law and blame others so why the fuck do you? No crime, no drugs no robberies, you stay in school you study, you get a fucking job that is what you have to do now. No having kids out of wedlock, white people can keep their dick in their pants, Asians can keep their dick in their pants, Hispanics can keep their dicks in their pants, every one else in the world can figure out how to keep their dicks in their pants so guess what? You have to figure out how to do that too. And when you have a kid, you don't get to walk out on them and then blame white people for it, its all on you. You have to get a job, no welfare, no excuses, no demanding handouts, you get what you earn, if you earn nothing you don't eat, you don't get a house, you work your ass off and you earn EVERYTHING. You can't respect some one who doesn't earn their keep.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don Now those are daddies rules, are you going to obey them? Or are you going to find a reason to bitch out and not take responsibility? Rhetorical question we all know what your going to do. The point is, you want me to fix YOUR fuck ups, but then when it comes time to actually do just that you run away because really what you really want is to be devoid of responsibility, you don't want to acknowledge that the reputation that blacks are thugs is 100% self inflicted and pretty fucking accurate. You don't want to admit that 99% of the time when a cop is forced to kill a black man, its in self defense and that black man was in fact a fucking piece of shit human being and a criminal.

You want to blame every one else because it means you get to keep acting like a helpless child, you get to do what you want when you want and then blame your white parents for why your a fuck up (just like a fucking teenager). Either man up or shut the fuck up. Your not a vicitm, your not inherently weak despite you arguing that you are, you can fix these problems or you can just lay about and act like a parasite pushing responsibility for your life onto every one else. But its still going to be your fault, either call out your shit culture or stop bitching because you can't have it both ways.

I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing people like you demand that the problem be fixed but then turn around and refuse to take your medicine to do so. Man up or shut the fuck up.

[Prof_Don]

@hellionthesagereborn

I do find it interesting that you absolutely REFUSE to believe that a compliant, law abiding black citizen can be brutalized / killed by police!

It happens.

Of course crooked cops are going to falsely report, making the idea of definitive statistics to be moot.

So you have to use testimony by the afflicted to know the truth, but you REFUSE to believe the testimony of black Americans about this problem.

Why?

Because you feel that black lives matter less than other people. It is obvious by your anger and cursing in your word choice. So much hate!

It’s sad. I’ll continue to pray for you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don Never once said that cannot happen, I'm just saying no one has provided evidence for it and the rare cases they do have, it was not racism, it was misunderstanding, a cop who was to jumpy or what have you. Your telling me this is a rampant issue, that its every where, every where you turn their is a cop waiting to shoot you in the back simply because the color of your skin and yet. . . the biggest threat to you is other blacks, followed by heart disease, stroke, and diabetes. You know whats not on that list? Cops. Sure I can guarantee you that their was one time a completely and totally innocent black person who was an absolute saint got killed by a cop because that cop was a piece of shit, sure fine, I'll give that to you even though you cannot provide me an example, but that doesn't mean COPS (plural), that doesn't mean racism is an issue let alone a sever one, that means one person was a piece of shit, that's it. I can't believe you would sit their and try to argue that cops are inherently racist (I mean seriously, what makes them racist? Is it the uniform? Is something in the dye they use that makes police suddenly and inexplicably become racist?) or that whites are just in general racist (something that is provably bullshit).

So I gave you the rules since you wanted me to be your daddy and you have chosen to blow them off, so you have chosen to stop bitching because you don't want the problems fixed, that's fine, stupid, but your choice, I don't want to hear any more excuses from you for why blacks are murdering each other, no more blacks are dying and its all white peoples fault even though blacks are killing blacks and also killing whites and also killing cops. No more of that, you chose your path now you have to live with it.

[sang2020]

@Prof_Don give us proof of excessive force on blacks than whites.

Do police kill blacks and falsely report though? Give us proof that this happens widely.

Give us proof, and we will stand with you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Prof_Don As for believing black americans, well that's simple, all data shows your full of shit. Just because you believe something is true doesn't make it true.

As for me being "racist" and not believing black lives matter, I'm the only fucking person here who is arguing that they do matter. Your arguing that its okay that blacks are murdering each other, that its okay that they abandon their children, that its okay they just feed off the government like parasites just barely getting by and believing that they are so worthless that they cannot change anything. I'm the one saying you don't have to live like that, I'm the one saying you can change things you have the same power to change your life as every other person does white and non white alike. Your the one saying that no, black people are weak and helpless and have to have every one else fix their problems for them. Your the one who is filled with self loathing and hatred for blacks. As for me, my friends son (who is black by the way), at the age of ten had another black man come up to him and put a gun to his head to steal the ten dollars he had on him.

I worked with a black guy about five years ago, didn't know him well but what little interactions I had with him gave me the impression he was a good guy, was shot and killed by, you guessed it, black people, because they thought he was some one else. I live near Chicago, not a day goes by were I don't have to hear about a little black child getting shot (or used as a human shield by their piece of shit parent) by a stray bullet fired by another black person.

You don't care about black lives, I do, that's why I bothered to try and get you to see how fucked up this is, that is why I'm angry. Blacks kill nearly three times more blacks a year then all the white nationalists did in over 150 years. You don't give a fuck about blacks and I don't know how to make you care.

[Prof_Don]

@hellionthesagereborn

I very much do care about black lives. As a future educator in high school mathematics (which has VERY few black American teaching that subject), I will be an example of black excellence to all of my students. This has a two-fold effect:

1) non-black students will see an example of black male that does not embody the negative stereotypes

2) the black American students will see me as a relatable role model

So my life’s work, is contributing to bettering not just the black community, but racial relations across the board, for an entire generation.

I also have 4 brothers and 2 sisters (I’m the oldest). So I’m also a good example for them as well.

Mentorship and solid examples of successful black male role models, is a big part of solving those mentioned internal issues in the black community.

I very much am one of those mentors and examples, so I am aiding to the solution.

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The topic of excessive force on compliant black citizens, due to stereotyping (which law enforcement are NOT supposed to do),

aids to the anxiety and stress of ALL black Americans, criminal or not.

The odds being higher to be unnecessarily stopped by a cop, and higher odds of that situation unnecessarily turning dangerous for the black citizen... is also a reality. The cliche of “looking suspicious” by merely being black and male, does happen (happened to me several times).

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Both situations (internal black community issues, and racial profiling by law enforcement)... are true.

The external issue, the unfair policing due to racial profiling & outright racism... is the one that currently black Americans are rallying for support by non-blacks.

The internal issues, the black community has to fix primarily themselves; I very much aid to that cause.

[sang2020]

@Prof_Don

[sang2020]

@Prof_Don research and GIVE. US. PROOF. Statistics. Cold hard evidence regarding excessive force (adjusted for race, severity of crime, repeat offences etc), evidence of unconscious bias.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@sang2020 He can't that's why he won't. I already provided him all the data showing that the exact opposite of what he says is true. That's why he uses accusations of others being racist as an argument instead of data, that's why its "emotional appeals" instead of statistics.

[Girther10]

That’s why the firemen DO go and hose down the other houses, it’s to protect them from your houses flames- I am a firefighter, so I know. Sorry, but your comparison to houses burning is not accurate. Try again.

[Prof_Don]

It really shocks me how many (mostly white) people feel attacked by the mentioning of #BlackLivesMatter... & get so defensive.

BlackLivesMatter is not some milita trying to eradicate all white people from America. 🙄

The idea of #BlackLivesMatter is to get TO the end goal of #AllLivesMatter... by opening recognizing the inequality of policing black Americans face, and righting that wrong, to get to that utopia of equality.

What is so difficult to understand about this? Anytime black Americans make inequality known and make moves for social justice... there’s always pushback.

Why so scared of equality.

[Prof_Don]

“Why so scared of equality?”

[sang2020]

Please read. it's not just about black lives mattering. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

[standingUP]

If you need to make a sign to show your relevance then you probably don't matter.
What ever color you are. This is the world you get when you keep GOD out of your life.

You don't see people of faith claiming they need to matter. They already know that they are children of God all made in the likeness of Him.
As a human we all eat, poop, and die. NOBODY has the edge on anybody else. So stop giving your right away trying to prove your relevancy by means of a sharpie and a piece of cardboard.

[JananiiSrii]

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[Anonymous]

All lives cannot matter until black lives matter and anyone who says differently is racist or privileged

[JustinTheGreat]

Period

[Liam_Hayden]

All lives cannot matter until all lives matter and anyone who thinks otherwise is an imbecile.

[ovixs90]

aren't all lives matter doesn't include blacks too? 😂

[Opinion Owner]

Y’all are stupid in our society black people and minorities do not stand on the same level as white people. Since the start of American history white lives have mattered, stope making this about you. Black people and people of color deserve justice and deserve to be equal in this society that predominantly ran on white supremacy. No one is trying to put down a certain race. I just want everyone to be equal and right now that is not happening and if you disagree your racist just accept the fact

[Opinion Owner]

You are racist, and I’m not calling people who disagree with me racist I’m calling people who condescend black lives matter with “all lives matter” racist because it is racist. And if you don’t realize that’s it’s racist I hate to break it to you but your racist... your choosing to accept the fact by saying “all lives matter” is a direct insult to black lives matter. Get educated !!

[jspl90]

sure I agree everyone should have equal chance I simply dislike the wording black lives matter slogan🤔 to me it only matters whether you are an asshole or not😆also I did miss the part about you saying "I just want everyone to be equal and right now that is not happening and if you disagree your racist just accept the fact" kinds just skimped it fast so thats my fault😬

[bente2]

If you’re talking about those who have it the worst, and you feel the need to tell them other people have struggles too, you’re an asshole. Mostly guys say shit like this. Same goes for gender issues. Whenever you speak of women’s issues they start talking about men’s issues. These people never talk about those issues apart from when people start talking about black issues/womens issues though, so they’re fake af and just want to drown out your voice.

[saltydaxmok_tANKer]

Yes toxic people do exist

[JustinTheGreat]

Those are also the same people who bring up shit like “straight pride” when talking about lgbt issues. White heterosexual males want to be oppressed so damn bad. They want to be a victim so bad.

[Anonymous]

Black lives aren't the only ones being taken. Other groups are being killed. Kashmiris are being killed. Yeminis are being killed. Uyghurs are being killed. Yazidis are being killed. Mexicans are being killed by cartels. White farmers being killed in South Africa! The world doesn't revolve around black people! Why do people act like blacks are the most important people on earth?

George Floyd was a METH addict! Certainly not innocent. Anyone who has a runin with the police isn't innocent. It's not like police is just going around shooting random black people, like the Chinese government is doing to the Uyghurs! So NO, Blacks aren't the only ones not being treated right! Where are the protests for all the groups I mentioned above?
If black lives matter so much, tell them to stop shooting EACHOTHER!
9 in 10 people killed by cops are white. Only 1 in 10 are black. Why aren't WHITE people rioting every time a white gets killed? Why do blacks feel they can't be touched?
No one is genociding blacks! So YES, ALL LIVES MATTER you ignorant prick!

[Ellie-V]

I don’t support black lives matter anymore but I find it annoying how people still refute it with all lives matter. If it did, black people wouldn’t be fighting for justice right now. We already know everyone should be equal and should have the right to live, but not everyone is treated fairly and to water down the black struggle in that way just makes you part of the problem.

[Reign_Interrupted]

The point is flying over so many people's head in the comments. Choosing to be ignorant makes you apart of the problem. All lives cannot and will not matter until we can treat our black brothers and sisters with the respect that we treat each other with.

[Zarapeachy]

Black lives matter.
Black people face a lot of discrimination and maltreatment. The "All lives matter" is just people trying to avoid the fact that people of colour are oppressed in the system no matter how much they prove themselves

[princess--mcs]

All lives matter, but that's not the point of what's going on. If my house is on fire and yours isn't, it doesn't mean your house matters just as much at that very moment.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Sure, but if you set your house on fire to get the insurance money and now the entire neighborhood is burning to the ground as a result, your house is less important at the moment then the actual victims of your crimes. That's a much more accurate metaphor since blacks are more likely to kill cops then cops are to kill blacks, 40% of all cops killed are killed by blacks, studies done by multiple groups (one of which was a black Harvard professor) shows that white cops are actually far more likely to hesitate to shoot a suspect compared to their black counter parts, all information on arrests and incident rates show that they are idenitical between white and black officers (with the exceptions of shootings which black officers are more willing to do then white officers), 80% of all interracial violence and crime is perpetrated by blacks against whites and when you remove whites out of the equation they are responsible for 80% of all interracial violence between blacks and Hispanics (the next largest population at 17%), they are 150% more likely to commit a hate crime compared to whites and are responsible for over half of all crime and murders in the country despite being only 13% of the population and the biggest killer of blacks between ages ten and 50 are other blacks (over 9000 blacks are killed per year by other blacks, nation wide the average murders per year is about 17,000(give or take depending on the year)).

[hellionthesagereborn]

So that's why people are saying all lives matter, because when black lives matter claim to be victims, every bit of data shows that they are in fact the ones causing all the violence and crime and they are the ones hurting themselves and others and not one BLM activist has addressed the violence within their own communities or attempted to fix it which is the real problem (as the percentage of lethal interactions for the police is.001%(53.5 million interactions a year, 800 of which are lethal) and out of that only 4% of those (32) are questionable and out of those about half to little over half are white victims and out of that less then half that are black many of the police involved were either black or Hispanic i. e. BLM has no argument.

On top of that they are now burning down neighborhoods destroying lives and killing people with these riots that have resulted in more deaths of innocents then the one death of a non innocent (George Floyd was a violent criminal with a long record of crimes (one of which was threatening a pregnant woman and robbing her)) who as every one has admitted despite him being a criminal and terrible person did not deserve to be killed. On top of that they are demanding justice but the person who killed him has been arrested and is being tried for murder so justice is in fact being surved while they act in a very unjust way.

[worldscolide]

BLM in its name alone is racist.. Especially when you look at statistics.. That having been said, everyone gets to have their group i guess.. I cannot support them though because they have connections to the terrorist group Antifa.. The same antifa who just said on their twitter that they were going to move the rioting to residential zones and start burning houses and murdering innocent people.

[worldscolide]

@JustinTheGreat let me put it like this. If they chose to riot in my neighborhood, they need to understand that the majority of us are armed. If they attempted to come on my property and harm me, or destroy my home, i will use lethal force to stop it. In my state my actions are completely legal, and law enforcement would be able to pull my security camera footage to see the truth as well. Stand your ground and castle laws are fantastic. Being a concealed carry is fantastic. Them attacking residential homes and nearly killing a man in Dallas turns them from being protestors to being nothing more than rabid animals needing to be stopped by any means necessary.

I support their right to protest, and believe that the officers involved need to be charged and put in prison after a FAIR TRIAL by jury. But rioting, Destroying property, hurting innocent civilians. No rational thinking person does that. Only animals do that.

[Gravit1]

Black lives matter (a racist statement), all lives matter (a raceless statement). If you can get called racist for being raceless, thereby your racist (the ones calling). You literally would have to assume all black people are being killed for their skin color, that is a racist assumption. Is it possible some (sure), all (insanity). Skin color is no cause for murder and if you think it is you are racist. The event that sent people into a tailspin was a personal vendetta. If you see the Floyd case as a man killing another man, then you aren't racist, if you see it as more or less than that you are racist. The belief in races is the basis for racism. Genetically there are no races.

[loveslongnails]

All lives matter, but that misses the point of the expression, and I think people know this but twist the meaning and context. It was NOT meant to say "only" black lives matter, but rather to include blacks with all other lives and that they ALL matter as well.

[Anonymous]

All lives will always matter. I'm not buying into this bs that it's okay to keep singling out a particular race, while it's "racist" to support, have pride in, or say good things about "other races". Until people quit dividing themselves into races for stuff like this, they will always see inequalities and injustices in everything because they get out of bed in the morning trying to see those things, and in many cases, they create them in their own minds. Black Lives Matter is a racist, and violent organization.

[mistixs]

"All Lives Matter" is like going to an event for Breast Cancer Awareness and saying "but what about other cancers?1"

[Aislin9]

Exactly! I just stated something like that on another question. It's almost like they want them give up and say all lives matter to discredit BLM.

[Girther10]

That’s a lazy inaccurate comparison. No one said “but what about other lives?”... Black Lives Matter has had a messaging problem with their name since it’s inception. Millions of people thought- are they saying only black lives matter? Are they saying... Black lives matter more? That’s why so many are saying.. yes black lives matter, but so do ALL lives.

[Girther10]

@Aislin9- no one wants them to “give up” anything. If you can’t see the obvious mis characterization of their name, as being an issue, you’re either blind, or blind. Lol people that aren’t racist or don’t know anyone who is, don’t understand why everyone says everyone is racist. They just don’t see it, maybe that’s because it’s not always there, like some say it is. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sejla]

All lives matter but not everyone has the same rights which needs to be addressed. Not just once but ongoing.

[Anonymous]

Black lives and all lives matter. I hate the movement but yes saying our lives matter isn't saying yours don't. It's sad that we have to reiterate that our unjustified deaths matter as much as everyone else. I truly think this post was to stir up shit

[JustinTheGreat]

This post was to see how many people on here are ignorant, not to purposely stir up shit

[hellacray]

All lives don't matter until black lives do?

Ok that right there is just so stupid. You do realize that they're not the only minority group? This is why I don't support BLM they're making it out to be black lives are more important than any other race.

Which to me is textbook racism. So yeah all lives matter. People shouldn't be picky about race when it comes to what lives matter.

[ovixs90]

Lets not forget other nationality of Bankers I can't even say there name cuz it will make me a racist to mention there name. They also like to always say they are badly treated all the time.

[pinkcandyfloss]

Because of the current situation rn, there is an urgent need to put emphasis on black lives.
Yes, rn other lives don't matter, until the current situation is solved

[dc-refugee]

I'm your huckleberry. What does "put emphasis on black lives" mean in terms of actual public policies?

[hellionthesagereborn]

But in order for black lives to matter you would have to convince blacks that their lives matter as they are the ones killing them to begin with. That's not going to happen for quite some time, not until the black community is forced to own up to its fuck ups and start having intact families again.

[Reign_Interrupted]

In order for black lives to matter people like you would need to stop gaslighting them every time this situation comes up.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Reign_Interrupted Gaslighting? really? Nearly 17000 murders a year and almost 10,000 of them are black on black, that's not gaslighting, that's me saying "hey, you have a huge fucking problem, why do I have to open up a news paper or find a link showing how you just shot a fucking two year old girl in the head three times in a drive by? That's fucked up, maybe get your shit together and stop blaming other people for what your doing?". That's not gaslighting that's caring more then the fuckers who are shooting and getting shot (which is fucking sad). Your "gaslighting" them by refusing to place the blame on them, for preventing them from taking responsibility for their actions. Your not just buying a drunk a drink, your fucking forcing him to do keg stands. Your not helping the situation, your making it so much worse. Every time you make an excuse for the behavior, your have killed some one. Your going to keep being responsible at least partially until you stop defending the behaviors that result in the death of fucking children (friends son has a gun put in his face when he was thirteen, he is black and the robber was also black. He almost got his brains blown out for ten fucking dollars and you want to sit their and say I'm gaslighting? Jesus fucking Christ maybe our world does deserve to burn.).

[Reign_Interrupted]

Yup. In this moment you are gaslighting. Black on black crime has fuckall to do with police brutality against black people. Do you go to fellow whites and ask them why they kill their families and children? Do you talk to the predominantly white mass murderers that get taken out to eat after shooting up churches? Doubt it. Blacks have every right to be angry and bringing up black on black crime doesn't change that. You're on every post aiming the blame only at black people. As a white female, I understand my privilege. Learn how to understand yours or be quiet during times like this.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Reign_Interrupted Of course it does, because it shows one, the real problem isn't this one time event that occurred (all the others ones that blacks claim happened, were actually violent criminals who resisted arrested or outright attacked the officer), a one time event that resulted in the cop in question getting arrested for the murder and brough to trial in record time, its that blacks are violent and criminaly inclined which is why they keep getting into trouble with police to begin with. Its to show that you don't actually care about black people because you ignore the nearly ten thousand blacks who are killed by other blacks every year, you even defend the behavior even though that violence usually ends up taking a childs life. You don't care though, you don't care that children are being murdered within the black community, what you care about is this one asshole who is being called out for what he did (shame when black cops kill whites no one calls that out or accuses them of racism (wonder why that is?)) and punished accordingly. But you don't even care about that really because if it was a black officer you wouldn't say a word, this one is different though because you can finally blame ALL of your problems on white people. You can finally be free to be as racist as you want, destroy cities, hurt people without consequence. That's what you really want. If you wanted justice you wouldn't be endorsing this behavior because we already have it, a man who did wrong is going to prison. A cop is far more likely to be killed by a black suspect then a black suspect is to be killed by a cop (18.5% to be precise). 40% of cops killed are killed by blacks. Study after study shows that white cops actually are far more likely to hesitate to shoot a black suspect then black or Hispanic cops. So no, what I'm doing isn't "gaslighting", what I'm doing is stating the truth, you are trying to deny that truth because its not beneficial for you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Reign_Interrupted You want to be racist, you want to hate, you want to justify your bigotry and violence, you want to protect the black community from justifiable criticism (again, they are responsible for over half of all crimes despite being only 13% of the population), you want to keep being a piece of shit without consequence and the truth doesn't allow you to do that. That's why you make up these fairy tales of cops violently gunning down blacks for no reason (never mind that in almost every scenario the black suspect was violent), because it benefits you to do so.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Reign_Interrupted As for your idiotic rant, no I don't go to whites and ask them about shooting up people on account that out of the 17,000 murders that occur each year almost 10,000 of them are black on black. We have 47.8 million blacks in the US which kill 9,200 plus people each year, we have 203 million plus white americans responsible for less then 8,000 a year (some of those being Hispanic murders which get lumped in with whites). Which one is worse? In one generation, by this calculation, you have 276,000 blacks killed by other blacks. That's a lot of blacks being killed by other blacks when you look at the number of police shootings per year, about 800. Eight fucking hundred. That's not even taking into account that 96% of those are provably justified, and its not even cycling out those that are white or Hispanic. Your seriously going to tell me that those numbers are comparable? Yeah, your a racist and the saddest part is, I think you might hate black people more then white people.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

It depends on where you start. If you start with "not all lives matter", then yes all lives actually do matter. If you start with "all lives matter" and then demonstrate that black lives actually don't matter... then black lives matter.

... or you could just be saying "all lives matter" because you don't give a shit and you don't want to actually think about what's happening to black people right now.

[leahzrc]

"all lives matter" is unneccessary to the situation

[lolcraft]

To whose?

[leahzrc]

what do you mean

[lolcraft]

Situation? To whose situation "all lives matter" is unnecessary.

[leahzrc]

to the death of george and the riots that came from racism towards black people