You're free to do what you want. It works for some women but many women have had a rude awakening in their thirties when they want to settle down and get married and have kids. They are no longer as "sought after" as when they were younger. Guys just aren't as interested in them. Sure some guys will be interested in them but the women are reporting that the guys aren't the same ones that they used to get and that's who they want. they are faced with lowering their standards or being alone and not having kids.
I think the concept of 'independent woman' is inherently flawed. Community gives individuals their faculties. If humans become independent from a community, they lose these faculties. Men and women have to get married and make families. These families are then the foundation for new communities in which individuals receive their faculties through.
Therefore no woman is independent, neither is a man. Feminism claims they want to make women as independent as men are, but its not possible. There is no alternative foundation to the family for communities. It is only a family that can create community members out of already existing community members.
Because older people were raised in a different environment with different norms. With each generation comes change and the older generations usually hold on to what they're used to. People often don't like their beliefs being challenged.
Working sucks I don't know why women want to work so bad 😂😭 Be housewives it's much more fulfilling You get to raise your kids and learn skills all day
Not only that, moms have the ultimate task! They literally perpetuate humanity. A woman with kids is infinitely more valuable to society than any career woman.
Same haha and I am tired. wouldn't it be better to work on building a family rather than earning a wage forever?
I find many young girls are idealistic about careers. It's not so fulfilling after a certain point. Many women desire families at 30 and by then it's too late
Maybe those older people know somethings from experience
@_soarer I think they're nuts to want a career! Working from age 14 to 17 is not exactly a grind. By the time you've been working about 40 years, most of the novelty of work is gone. (ha ha) Unless you're doing something you totally love doing it's monotonous.
Not really I know it’s different for all woman but I don’t really desire a Husband as much as I desire my goals and my career right now. I’m sure I’ll meet someone along the way in the type of things I do so it’s not really a problem.
Scarlett I hope you find the career that's right for you and it makes you happy ❤ But I want to let you know you can have the career later in life (there is no rush!) You can have it all, but not all at once ❤
Your thoughts also change at different stages of your life. I though the same at 17, I was completely 100% sure I didn’t wanna husband, I was putting all my focus on my studies because I wanted to achieve my goal of being a dentist. I’m still set on my goal but now, I am also reconsidering marriage. Your perspective on matters definitely fluctuates with your age
You may think it's "stupid", but it's just human nature and as much as you would like it to, it's never going to change. Men and women are both valued largely by the views of the opposite sex regarding what is most important to them in a mate.
Men will always be valued mostly based on their earning power and social status. Women will always be valued mostly on how good a wife, mother and lover they are. That's just human nature. It's in our genes, and no amount of progressive feminist thinking is ever going to change that.
To men, a progressive feminist is the least desirable woman of all. And independent women are pretty much the same thing. Women who prioritize ambition and career ahead of relationship and family just have little value to men.
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There is nothing wrong with desires or using your talents in a work field, but motherhood can only be accomplished by a woman and is equally as important to fatherhood. Granted both are in short supply and high demand these days. A Christian woman who is responsible and stable is desirable. A chaff woman is not. It can be a strain on a family for both parents to be working full time, but is increasingly demanded. We do live in an era where woman and men work less hours inside or outside the home. Housework used to be a full time job in our agrarian past, but it has been reduced as well as the work week. So Ideally there is more time available for men and women, but some men are still pulling 72 hr work weeks. This pairing favors housewife, but if I were to pull 40 and she didn't exceed 30 a balance could be reached.
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Well progressivism and feminism are unattractive, that's legit, so you're right there.
But when it comes to "independent". Usually it's attached to a shit personality: self-importance, arrogance, thinking they deserve better and should be liked more because of the things they do when that's not really the case.
That's where this idea of not liking "independent" women comes from; in reality it's more like they're met with indifference, however the women who think that path was meant to give them more perceive them not getting more as society hating them -- which only leads people to turn away from them even more.
We were sold a lie in the 90's and 00's as kids, that boys and girls are the same. Both had their own reactions to that idea and we're seeing the outcome.
Well hopefully with a generation actually interested in working for it instead of complaining about it the outdated notion of "feminism" can finally come to a close. I'm gen z myself and have no interest in opressing any woman and neither does pretty much anyone I know my age. If we become the majority that would be one less issue to worrie about.
Cause a financially independent woman, is someone that men cannot control. Imagine the agony of having a woman who won't put up with your shit, unfaithfulness and bad attitude, and that you can’t have control over? The agony!!!
I don't know what they are feeding you in school, but society doesn't care.. In fact society encourages it.. And women themselves say that they want to be independent and yet they are as unhappy as can be.. Statistics and data is not on yoself on this issue.. As women are twice as likely to get hired in STEM fields yet it's still largely a man field.. Plenty of women are given opportunity to go up in positions yet they choose to have kids and raise them..
because A LOT of women do not know what being independent really is.
most of them believe that being independent means they can be bitchy and arrogant with anyone they dislike or opposes them and most men in society obviously find this very repulsing and obnoxious
says the thirsty simp that thinks rushing to women’s rescue online is gonna help him get laid or rewarded with the pussy points he can’t get in real life.
@OddBeMe I wouldn’t be surprised if your wife is exactly those women I’m describing hence why my op triggered your ass. Probably curses and calls you “good for nothing” and many other shit every time she’s on her period or has a bitchfit. But you obviously don’t mind taking that from her cause it’s the only way you’re gonna avoid blue balls. Pathetic!
Till then I don’t need to fuck the same pussy every, give up all my hard earn belongings, endure the same drama every day just to name a few just to keep avoid blue balls
Well it's not society it is a small amount of idoits who are like "women should be wifes and mothers... And make me dinner"
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It’s not that it’s stupid, it’s just that it’s annoying when people push it in your face. Sort of how others push religion or LGBT issues on people. No one really gives a crap, you do you, but stop running around saying I don’t need a man I’m Ms. Strong Independent.
Society doesn't care. It doesn't care when you decide to pursue a career instead of a family. It doesn't care when you get baby hungry at 35 and can't find a man who will give you the time of day. It doesn't care when you retire and you feel lonely. Society doesn't care about you, and it never will.
You are an individual person, and only another individual with whom you have invested in a relationship will care.
Well, it is hypocrisy of such women themselves. They like to be independent but when they have to take care of the house they start complaining. Long story short, working women I know don't ever pay the bills. They just hoard and hoard the money much more miserly and greedy then Workeing men
It's because the long-term success of a culture depends on whether it's pro-natal or anti-natal. Pro-natal cultures expand and grow. Anti-natal cultures shrink and get replaced by pro-natal cultures within a couple of generations.
because we are not supposed to seek independence from one another. men and women evolved to compliment not compete with one another. we each have pre set roles from biology
you know what society thinks of a 40 year old never married man? a loser
I literally have been rejected numerous times simply because guys tell me I shouldn’t be independent and they don’t like if I have more than they do. I sort of cursed myself and now i’m kind of stuck.
Trust me, in about 10 years you're going to be one of those people... or you'll be a bitter feminist with 5 cats and no one else to come home to.
Why? Biology. When you indoctrinate a generation to hate themselves, they likely will ending up making bad choices, and not realizing they have until after the fact.
There are pros and cons to this but at the end there will be hell lot of people in depression who won't find srlf worth then health detoriated having problem in conceiving nobody will be there to take of children it will psychologically effect everything people won't get married have multiple relations both men and women will be at fault
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You're free to do what you want. It works for some women but many women have had a rude awakening in their thirties when they want to settle down and get married and have kids. They are no longer as "sought after" as when they were younger. Guys just aren't as interested in them. Sure some guys will be interested in them but the women are reporting that the guys aren't the same ones that they used to get and that's who they want. they are faced with lowering their standards or being alone and not having kids.
https://youtu.be/mq1ibFEvgcg
I think the concept of 'independent woman' is inherently flawed. Community gives individuals their faculties. If humans become independent from a community, they lose these faculties. Men and women have to get married and make families. These families are then the foundation for new communities in which individuals receive their faculties through.
Therefore no woman is independent, neither is a man. Feminism claims they want to make women as independent as men are, but its not possible. There is no alternative foundation to the family for communities. It is only a family that can create community members out of already existing community members.
Because older people were raised in a different environment with different norms. With each generation comes change and the older generations usually hold on to what they're used to. People often don't like their beliefs being challenged.
Working sucks
I don't know why women want to work so bad 😂😭
Be housewives it's much more fulfilling
You get to raise your kids and learn skills all day
Not only that, moms have the ultimate task! They literally perpetuate humanity. A woman with kids is infinitely more valuable to society than any career woman.
I’ve been working since 14 and I think it’s fun 🤷♀️
Same haha and I am tired.
wouldn't it be better to work on building a family rather than earning a wage forever?
I find many young girls are idealistic about careers. It's not so fulfilling after a certain point. Many women desire families at 30 and by then it's too late
Maybe those older people know somethings from experience
@_soarer
I think they're nuts to want a career!
Working from age 14 to 17 is not exactly a grind.
By the time you've been working about 40 years, most of the novelty of work is gone. (ha ha)
Unless you're doing something you totally love doing it's monotonous.
Not really I know it’s different for all woman but I don’t really desire a Husband as much as I desire my goals and my career right now. I’m sure I’ll meet someone along the way in the type of things I do so it’s not really a problem.
@I-am-a-nobody thanks for the wisdom. I started to realize the grind is real recently.
@scarlett774
OK, but realize your fertility drops and miscarriages increase after 30.
www.parents.com/.../
Hopefully you meet them before 30.
Because after that the dating pool becomes absolute shit
Scarlett I hope you find the career that's right for you and it makes you happy ❤
But I want to let you know you can have the career later in life (there is no rush!) You can have it all, but not all at once ❤
Thanks lmao and I’m a model so my career is gonna be done when I’m 24 😂
Well then perfect haha!
You get to have it all! God bless! 😃
Your thoughts also change at different stages of your life. I though the same at 17, I was completely 100% sure I didn’t wanna husband, I was putting all my focus on my studies because I wanted to achieve my goal of being a dentist. I’m still set on my goal but now, I am also reconsidering marriage. Your perspective on matters definitely fluctuates with your age
@Ccheeto99 that's a great observation
I can say the same for myself
You're not really working then.
You may think it's "stupid", but it's just human nature and as much as you would like it to, it's never going to change. Men and women are both valued largely by the views of the opposite sex regarding what is most important to them in a mate.
Men will always be valued mostly based on their earning power and social status. Women will always be valued mostly on how good a wife, mother and lover they are. That's just human nature. It's in our genes, and no amount of progressive feminist thinking is ever going to change that.
To men, a progressive feminist is the least desirable woman of all. And independent women are pretty much the same thing. Women who prioritize ambition and career ahead of relationship and family just have little value to men.
There is nothing wrong with desires or using your talents in a work field, but motherhood can only be accomplished by a woman and is equally as important to fatherhood. Granted both are in short supply and high demand these days. A Christian woman who is responsible and stable is desirable. A chaff woman is not. It can be a strain on a family for both parents to be working full time, but is increasingly demanded. We do live in an era where woman and men work less hours inside or outside the home. Housework used to be a full time job in our agrarian past, but it has been reduced as well as the work week. So Ideally there is more time available for men and women, but some men are still pulling 72 hr work weeks. This pairing favors housewife, but if I were to pull 40 and she didn't exceed 30 a balance could be reached.
Well progressivism and feminism are unattractive, that's legit, so you're right there.
But when it comes to "independent". Usually it's attached to a shit personality: self-importance, arrogance, thinking they deserve better and should be liked more because of the things they do when that's not really the case.
That's where this idea of not liking "independent" women comes from; in reality it's more like they're met with indifference, however the women who think that path was meant to give them more perceive them not getting more as society hating them -- which only leads people to turn away from them even more.
We were sold a lie in the 90's and 00's as kids, that boys and girls are the same. Both had their own reactions to that idea and we're seeing the outcome.
I simply think of independent as "a women that makes her own money and can fix her own problems, not needing me to wipe her ass"
I was talking more about women that perceive themselves as independent.
"Perceive themselves as independent" so women that are not independent, but see themselves as one. Not the best kind.
No, I don’t mean that either. Forget your definition or any definition outside of themselves, it’s about what *they* consider independent.
Well hopefully with a generation actually interested in working for it instead of complaining about it the outdated notion of "feminism" can finally come to a close.
I'm gen z myself and have no interest in opressing any woman and neither does pretty much anyone I know my age. If we become the majority that would be one less issue to worrie about.
Cause a financially independent woman, is someone that men cannot control. Imagine the agony of having a woman who won't put up with your shit, unfaithfulness and bad attitude, and that you can’t have control over? The agony!!!
I don't know what they are feeding you in school, but society doesn't care.. In fact society encourages it.. And women themselves say that they want to be independent and yet they are as unhappy as can be.. Statistics and data is not on yoself on this issue.. As women are twice as likely to get hired in STEM fields yet it's still largely a man field.. Plenty of women are given opportunity to go up in positions yet they choose to have kids and raise them..
because A LOT of women do not know what being independent really is.
most of them believe that being independent means they can be bitchy and arrogant with anyone they dislike or opposes them and most men in society obviously find this very repulsing and obnoxious
Gotta an angry incel here
@OddBeMe is that a shaming tactic I hear?
says the thirsty simp that thinks rushing to women’s rescue online is gonna help him get laid or rewarded with the pussy points he can’t get in real life.
Or maybe my wife gives me all the pussy I need. So I’m not blue balling like you
@OddBeMe I wouldn’t be surprised if your wife is exactly those women I’m describing hence why my op triggered your ass. Probably curses and calls you “good for nothing” and many other shit every time she’s on her period or has a bitchfit. But you obviously don’t mind taking that from her cause it’s the only way you’re gonna avoid blue balls. Pathetic!
Till then I don’t need to fuck the same pussy every, give up all my hard earn belongings, endure the same drama every day just to name a few just to keep avoid blue balls
Says men who get no pussy.
@OddBeMe yup you haven't had sex in weeks lol.
Who's the one with blue balls again?
Your right. It means being an adult
@DeltaCharlieEcho Right... you know me so well. Anyone who hates women with your ferocity is blue balling.
@OddBeMe I don’t need to marry anyone to evade blue balls. Sounds like that’s the only reason why you’re married and again this is pathetic
@OddBeMe it also sounds like I'm not the one who just lifted up your skirt here
Ok sweetie. Have fun on the tube sites.
@OddBeMe sounds like you were and probably are having all your fun there during the weeks your fleshlight wife of yours refused to give it up to you
Well it's not society it is a small amount of idoits who are like "women should be wifes and mothers... And make me dinner"
It’s not that it’s stupid, it’s just that it’s annoying when people push it in your face. Sort of how others push religion or LGBT issues on people. No one really gives a crap, you do you, but stop running around saying I don’t need a man I’m Ms. Strong Independent.
Society doesn't care. It doesn't care when you decide to pursue a career instead of a family. It doesn't care when you get baby hungry at 35 and can't find a man who will give you the time of day. It doesn't care when you retire and you feel lonely. Society doesn't care about you, and it never will.
You are an individual person, and only another individual with whom you have invested in a relationship will care.
Well, it is hypocrisy of such women themselves. They like to be independent but when they have to take care of the house they start complaining.
Long story short, working women I know don't ever pay the bills. They just hoard and hoard the money much more miserly and greedy then Workeing men
I see the opposite where working women blow all their money while working men save.
It's because the long-term success of a culture depends on whether it's pro-natal or anti-natal. Pro-natal cultures expand and grow. Anti-natal cultures shrink and get replaced by pro-natal cultures within a couple of generations.
because we are not supposed to seek independence from one another. men and women evolved to compliment not compete with one another. we each have pre set roles from biology
you know what society thinks of a 40 year old never married man? a loser
I literally have been rejected numerous times simply because guys tell me I shouldn’t be independent and they don’t like if I have more than they do. I sort of cursed myself and now i’m kind of stuck.
It's not so much what you have, it's, priorities. Men want to know, we're your first priority. Just like women want to know, they're ours
@asshole_ agreed if your not going to have any importance in the girl you are dating life there's no future.
@American_Centurion I make sure that they know they’re important to me, but they always tell me “I’m not good enough for you” and leave.
Trust me, in about 10 years you're going to be one of those people... or you'll be a bitter feminist with 5 cats and no one else to come home to.
Why? Biology. When you indoctrinate a generation to hate themselves, they likely will ending up making bad choices, and not realizing they have until after the fact.
There are pros and cons to this but at the end there will be hell lot of people in depression who won't find srlf worth then health detoriated having problem in conceiving nobody will be there to take of children it will psychologically effect everything people won't get married have multiple relations both men and women will be at fault