Hell no. The entire "vegan" thing is a cover for forcing people to accept lower standards of living because wages are falling. There is plenty of food to feed everyone now, it is simply not distributed evenly across the globe. And it is not our job to feed everyone else. No one should accept the decline of the American way of life by accepting this crap. I still say two cars in every garage and a chicken in every pot!
Prey predator balance will ultimately bring ruin so no. If everyone goes vegan the natural balance will be disturbed. Plantation growth will be depleted due to overgrazing. Or as cows and chickens will be nearly useless the people will stop reasing them in same numbers. So a balance is required between meat and vegetables use
Have you heard of natural predators bringing balance? We're not a part of the food chain anymore, we haven't been for the last 10 000 years. 99% of the animal products come from factory farms, no balance would be ruined if we removed those factory farms.
No, multiple studies have shown humans cannot live healthy with out some animal protein in the diet. Also man-made global warming is bullshit, what's causing the planet to heat up is solar output, so unless you can build a Dyson sphere there's not shit you can do about it
We can already feed every hungry human, but everyone is too egoist to do so.
Also, a lot of the more active humans wouldn't be able to follow a vegan diet. Less active people would be fine, but active people like Firefighters, Military, Athletes, and the like need food that's either animal or derived from it.
Strongly Disagree. Animal Populations would spike. Plants will be used in a rate that would cause extinction. The World cycle will fall to pieces. Crisis. Chaos.
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Climate change is past recovery... speed it up and get it over with
Mortality reduction, we need more mortality, the planet is overpopulated as it is
Cannibalism would solve these same problems and still provide meat to eat
I love animals and hate the abuse we put them through to feed our gluttonous asses. The only way I would go vegan is if fake meat was a bit better (which it is has been getting better) and if it were cheaper.
Disagree, as meat is a great source for protein, and Neither meat or veggies should be completely abandoned. Although being vegan may have some benefits, it will also create new problems, such as worse air quality. Yes, we might not be killing animals, but we will be killing our greenery instead. There will still be hungry people, as greed is the real issue, just instead of meat being in demand, greens will be in demand, even by animals too, not just us humans. A middleground is most ideal
Only in an authoritarian world, have you forgotten how hat we are born with the right to enjoy personal liberty? Your 8dea doesn’t seem yo take that into account. It’s a stupid idea.
Your personal liberty ends where you start inflicting harms on others. You don't have the right to murder another human, you don't have the right to abuse another human. And we therefore think it's only logical that this extends to animals as well, so you don't have the right to murder and abuse them.
Looks like deficiency of proper protein and Omega 3 fatty acids made you much dumb.. People should always maintain a proper diet not avocado and kale... Being vegan never solves the climate crisis you aren't the plant that inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen , rather you are killing it more... In Europe it's jail time for parents if you force your infant to go vegan...
It's a proper diet, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and the American Dietetic Association both vouch for it amongst many others.
Also, going vegan actually consumes less plants. Whatever plants you would feed one person, you'd have to feed animals a dozen times over to be able to eat them instead. This is also why we're cutting down the Amazon (and accelerating the climate crisis), because we need to farm more soy to feed the animals.
In Europe, you cannot be jailed if you force your infant to go vegan, you can actually be jailed if you force a vegan to eat animal products, as it's a protected creed.
No way. Animals are still created for food and we're omnivorous by nature so it should be balanced. You can't blame lions, tigers or other predators to be carnivorous because that's just how it is.
You don't need any animal products. the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and the American Dietetic Association both vouch for a vegan diet.
Are you saying that you're only capable of the same moral decision making as a lion? I'm pretty sure that as a human I'm enough of a moral agent to be able to consciously decide between a product that is derived from animal cruelty and a plant based option.
@D4nielv And it is still in fact that we're capable with it evolved to like the taste of meat better than vegetables. It's instincts weather you like it or not or even if you think it's immoral. You can speak for yourself if you don't like eating animals but you can't speak for all.
@D4nielv And it doesn't matter if we have the decision to think. Again it's not our fault we evolved to like meat. We're as predatory as those predators so yes. Even if you try to ban meat, people still eat them anyways.
A straw man argument: "Are you saying that you're only capable of the same moral decision making as a lion?" No im saying what im saying so you can read again.
@D4nielv Also because we are entitled to what we like better so we have a free will. Only people like you are using feelings to argue with this. There's nothing you can do to stop humans from liking meat. Even if you wanna say "animal cruelty" well sure it's "animal cruelty" and we can feel that but it doesn't remove the fact that we like the taste of meat.
Meat has no taste, whatever you taste when you eat meat is the seasoning. If you don't know how to cook and season vegan foods properly, that's your fault
We evolved to like sex too and I like sex. Does that mean I should rape women whenever I'm horny? You being a moral agent means that you have the capability to make a conscious choice whether or not to do that. And when you are able to do that, you're responsible for the consequences which in this case is animal cruelty. You can't just absolving yourself from all responsibility by pointing at biology.
Actually it has. And i am a chef in this is something called umami like a savory flavor and a natural taste meat have. So why are you not comparing rape to eating meat? Rape involves harming a human being which has nothing to do with eating meat. But after all human expansion kills million of animals even if you don't eat meat. Releasing all animals from farm will also kill them from starvation. It is also bad for the economy. So why are you giving human rights to animals? Do you believe that they think like us? They don't. You've been giving us unfair and weak comparisons. Because if that is the case i can give you comparisons like let's kill all predators because they eat meat.
Also you cannot just absolve yourself from all the feelings you feel. You don't even blame those predators who eat animals when they are made that way so when you mans are made this way can you blame us? What if we have the choice we also have the choice to eat meat. Your are treating meet like human beings. Now tell me do they have their own society like us? No? So whats there point living here? Only to get eaten by other animals?
Also for treating meet like human beings only to die of starvation later, getting eaten by other predators, die because of self accident that happened to them or whatever reason. It's your fault for feeling that way because do you even give them insurance? Do you even educate them? Give them a job to help the economy? I doubt you'll ever do that.
Chances are they can become new pests in the society eating our garbage just like many stray cats in new york because people don't eat cats and to immoral kill cats. But i'm not saying it is justifiable to eat cats because they are not our food. It's better to keep them in a farm than to make them pests like what happens to pigeons today. They were supposed to be edible but now they're like the rats of the sky.
And another point is if you want me to cook vegetables making it tastes like meat then it's going to require message to give it umami flavor like meat have which is actually way more dangerous than eating meat itself with its natural umami taste. So before you say meat doesn't taste anything, check your facts before correcting anyone with your agenda.
Everyone definitely should, but most likely will not. I'm not vegan or even vegetarian, but hope to work towards that. There are only like 5 things I'll eat as is, so it's hard lmao.
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Hell no. The entire "vegan" thing is a cover for forcing people to accept lower standards of living because wages are falling.
There is plenty of food to feed everyone now, it is simply not distributed evenly across the globe. And it is not our job to feed everyone else.
No one should accept the decline of the American way of life by accepting this crap. I still say two cars in every garage and a chicken in every pot!
Prey predator balance will ultimately bring ruin so no. If everyone goes vegan the natural balance will be disturbed. Plantation growth will be depleted due to overgrazing. Or as cows and chickens will be nearly useless the people will stop reasing them in same numbers. So a balance is required between meat and vegetables use
Have you heard of natural predators bringing balance? We're not a part of the food chain anymore, we haven't been for the last 10 000 years. 99% of the animal products come from factory farms, no balance would be ruined if we removed those factory farms.
@D4nielv imagine they are all removed. Then what there must be something to fill the void
No, multiple studies have shown humans cannot live healthy with out some animal protein in the diet.
Also man-made global warming is bullshit, what's causing the planet to heat up is solar output, so unless you can build a Dyson sphere there's not shit you can do about it
Credits to Liam for the link.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/vegan-diet-everyone-us-follow-health-impact-meat-nutrients-deficit-supply-scientists-study-a8064981.html
We can already feed every hungry human, but everyone is too egoist to do so.
Also, a lot of the more active humans wouldn't be able to follow a vegan diet. Less active people would be fine, but active people like Firefighters, Military, Athletes, and the like need food that's either animal or derived from it.
Strongly Disagree.
Animal Populations would spike.
Plants will be used in a rate that would cause extinction.
The World cycle will fall to pieces. Crisis. Chaos.
Climate change is past recovery... speed it up and get it over with
Mortality reduction, we need more mortality, the planet is overpopulated as it is
Cannibalism would solve these same problems and still provide meat to eat
I love animals and hate the abuse we put them through to feed our gluttonous asses. The only way I would go vegan is if fake meat was a bit better (which it is has been getting better) and if it were cheaper.
Disagree, as meat is a great source for protein, and Neither meat or veggies should be completely abandoned. Although being vegan may have some benefits, it will also create new problems, such as worse air quality. Yes, we might not be killing animals, but we will be killing our greenery instead. There will still be hungry people, as greed is the real issue, just instead of meat being in demand, greens will be in demand, even by animals too, not just us humans. A middleground is most ideal
Damn so true. We’re making less food available and more bellies to feed.
We can decrease these problems without EVERYONE going vegan if people just cared enough to try, cause I ain't giving up chicken lol.
I disagree , for God made cows and pigs for a reason and I am a meat and potatoes type of girl ! thanks
Only in an authoritarian world, have you forgotten how hat we are born with the right to enjoy personal liberty? Your 8dea doesn’t seem yo take that into account. It’s a stupid idea.
Your personal liberty ends where you start inflicting harms on others. You don't have the right to murder another human, you don't have the right to abuse another human. And we therefore think it's only logical that this extends to animals as well, so you don't have the right to murder and abuse them.
Looks like deficiency of proper protein and Omega 3 fatty acids made you much dumb.. People should always maintain a proper diet not avocado and kale...
Being vegan never solves the climate crisis you aren't the plant that inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen , rather you are killing it more...
In Europe it's jail time for parents if you force your infant to go vegan...
It's a proper diet, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and the American Dietetic Association both vouch for it amongst many others.
Also, going vegan actually consumes less plants. Whatever plants you would feed one person, you'd have to feed animals a dozen times over to be able to eat them instead. This is also why we're cutting down the Amazon (and accelerating the climate crisis), because we need to farm more soy to feed the animals.
In Europe, you cannot be jailed if you force your infant to go vegan, you can actually be jailed if you force a vegan to eat animal products, as it's a protected creed.
Vegans use a ton a of supplements, supplements cost more than meat.
I'm broke so I'll take the meat instead.
Disagree. Everybody who wants to go vegan should and they should make vegan food less expensive so that they can easier.
Disagree.
It’s my choice, surely?
I’ve been vegetarian for years. I guess I’m now flexitarian.
No way. Animals are still created for food and we're omnivorous by nature so it should be balanced. You can't blame lions, tigers or other predators to be carnivorous because that's just how it is.
You don't need any animal products. the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and the American Dietetic Association both vouch for a vegan diet.
Are you saying that you're only capable of the same moral decision making as a lion? I'm pretty sure that as a human I'm enough of a moral agent to be able to consciously decide between a product that is derived from animal cruelty and a plant based option.
@D4nielv And it is still in fact that we're capable with it evolved to like the taste of meat better than vegetables. It's instincts weather you like it or not or even if you think it's immoral. You can speak for yourself if you don't like eating animals but you can't speak for all.
@D4nielv And it doesn't matter if we have the decision to think. Again it's not our fault we evolved to like meat. We're as predatory as those predators so yes. Even if you try to ban meat, people still eat them anyways.
A straw man argument: "Are you saying that you're only capable of the same moral decision making as a lion?" No im saying what im saying so you can read again.
@D4nielv Also because we are entitled to what we like better so we have a free will. Only people like you are using feelings to argue with this. There's nothing you can do to stop humans from liking meat. Even if you wanna say "animal cruelty" well sure it's "animal cruelty" and we can feel that but it doesn't remove the fact that we like the taste of meat.
Meat has no taste, whatever you taste when you eat meat is the seasoning. If you don't know how to cook and season vegan foods properly, that's your fault
We evolved to like sex too and I like sex. Does that mean I should rape women whenever I'm horny? You being a moral agent means that you have the capability to make a conscious choice whether or not to do that. And when you are able to do that, you're responsible for the consequences which in this case is animal cruelty. You can't just absolving yourself from all responsibility by pointing at biology.
Actually it has. And i am a chef in this is something called umami like a savory flavor and a natural taste meat have. So why are you not comparing rape to eating meat? Rape involves harming a human being which has nothing to do with eating meat. But after all human expansion kills million of animals even if you don't eat meat. Releasing all animals from farm will also kill them from starvation. It is also bad for the economy. So why are you giving human rights to animals? Do you believe that they think like us? They don't. You've been giving us unfair and weak comparisons. Because if that is the case i can give you comparisons like let's kill all predators because they eat meat.
Also you cannot just absolve yourself from all the feelings you feel. You don't even blame those predators who eat animals when they are made that way so when you mans are made this way can you blame us? What if we have the choice we also have the choice to eat meat. Your are treating meet like human beings. Now tell me do they have their own society like us? No? So whats there point living here? Only to get eaten by other animals?
Also for treating meet like human beings only to die of starvation later, getting eaten by other predators, die because of self accident that happened to them or whatever reason. It's your fault for feeling that way because do you even give them insurance? Do you even educate them? Give them a job to help the economy? I doubt you'll ever do that.
Chances are they can become new pests in the society eating our garbage just like many stray cats in new york because people don't eat cats and to immoral kill cats. But i'm not saying it is justifiable to eat cats because they are not our food. It's better to keep them in a farm than to make them pests like what happens to pigeons today. They were supposed to be edible but now they're like the rats of the sky.
And another point is if you want me to cook vegetables making it tastes like meat then it's going to require message to give it umami flavor like meat have which is actually way more dangerous than eating meat itself with its natural umami taste. So before you say meat doesn't taste anything, check your facts before correcting anyone with your agenda.
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Gag auto corrects that or in other words, cooking vegetables to make it taste like meat requires monosodium glutamate which is unsafe for us.
I’m from Texas and if you keep fucking with our steak well turn this whole state into the Alamo... you remember the Alamo? We do...
What can you expect from stupid people these days , yes they can go without meat I can & I'm not dead yet. Their just obviously full of shxt
Everyone definitely should, but most likely will not. I'm not vegan or even vegetarian, but hope to work towards that. There are only like 5 things I'll eat as is, so it's hard lmao.