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First, you give a list of highly biased reasons as subtext to your question, rather than the most effective way to reach a clear conclusion, which is to objectively colllect others' perspectives, rather than retroactively criticize the judgement of those who don't perceive your way before answers are even provided.
Here is former Soviet KGB agent/psychic's answer, from 1984 (year, not book), as he describes near precisely what has happened in American in over 35 years since this recording:
Many governments have, and still do (North Korea) histories of manipulating citizens for decades, attacking any criticism as an attack of "truth", and being unwilling to tolerate any "facts" that don't agree with them, much as many are doing now.
If you can't understand why many are skeptical, I'd advise studying history, rather than calling those "selfish" and "stubborn" for not believing & acting as you do before even providing answers to a question asked with implications highly biased against those who don't agree with you in the form of pre-judgement.
Further, here is Dr. Fauci, on decades of experience as an expert on germ transmission, who himself advised individuals to not wear masks, only to change course weeks later... is everyone supposed to simply follow his lead when his opposing opinions change, or is there room for debate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI
@zollo I'm just doing what Dr. Fauci told me, since public figures get to decide fact, along with social media, who censors what they judge "fake", I will take public figures from past, who often contradict their own statements (agendas) & choose to follow that advice instead.. I'm still listening to "science" because it was said by an "expert", even if he changes his opinion week-to-week.
lol what? That doesn't make any sense... "Scientist" way back when used to think that the earth was flat so do you think the earth is flat because a scientist sad so long ago? Kids used to believe in Santa Claus because their parents told them about him, should they still believe in him even though the parents admit that he isn't real simply because their first statement was the opposite?
I'm not saying you should swallow everything the media feeds you but come on man, take off the tin foil hat would'ya? During March when Dr. F said that I was still in school and or on spring break with very little knowledge even about the virus. At that point only like maybe 4 people had come into the US that even had Corona. In hindsight should we have started wearing masks and lessening public contact, yes. But I think we can all agree that nobody though it would get this way, the virus was still new and we were naive to think we could handle it. At that point in time it didn't seem like things would escalate like they did, masks for everyday people seemed a bit extreme, but with over 5 million Americans dead I guess you could say masks don't seem that extreme now. Things change, Ideas change, people change.
There is no evidence statistical or anecdotal the people who contracted the virus contracted it some people not wearing a mask. There is no evidence is it Contracting the virus is in any way shape or form related to wearing or not wearing a mask. And while there is scientific evidence that a mask can reduce the expulsion of spittle the only thing that that indicates or suggest is that by wearing a mask that you won't spit on people. Whether or not that has anything to do with increasing for lowering the infection rate is actually not a supportable conclusion based on the information at hand. Here's what we do now most more than 94% of all people who carry the virus are unaware or not symptomatic. Of the around 6% who actually manifest symptoms well over 45% of those who died where under medically supervised care or Limited access to Outsiders as well as being over the age of 45 there is no anecdotal statistical or other evidence her children under the age of 15 spreading the disease or dying from it. Nearly all of the remaining deaths are purely anecdotally related to covid-19 and are usually tied two other comorbidity or unrelated deadly events. In fact it is under point zero 2% confirmed deaths exclusive to covid-19 for example it has been documented and proven that New York counts covid-19 deaths without confirming the virus is even present and counts all deaths beyond the normal morbidity rate as covid-19. we are each being spoon-fed if you're mongering narrative it serves no purpose other then to drive the country into Financial ruin to make the impoverished more impoverished and Garner support for socialism. Further we are being gaslighted by the media and then socially punished for questioning that media the likes of which have historically only been executed by tyrannical governments. It's just now that it is Mega corporations that are causing the censorship manipulation and Punishment instead of the government
Selfishness and stupidity.
It makes me laugh when people say those protecting themselves from catching the virus are cowards. Well, I'd rather be a coward than stupid and unstable minded
Saying that though, most people I see wearing a mask pull it down or take it off and hold it in their hand. Then either pull it back up or put it back on when they go into another shop. Which defeats the purpose of using one. If their mask is contaminated, then they are spreading the virus with their hands, because I don't see them washing or sanitising their hands after touching their mask.
I saw an uber eat driver come out of McDonalds and held his mask against his delivery bag. A woman who came out of McDonalds took her mask off , then started swinging it and twirling it in her hands. Then put it back on to go into a supermarket. So some people who do wear masks are stupid too
The people who refuse to wear a mask because "muh freedom" are self-entitled, selfish dicks who care more about "rebelling against authority" than preventing the spread of this virus in the middle of a pandemic. If y'all sissies put a fucking mask on, maybe things would go back to normal a bit faster. But nah, pretending to me fucking oppressed when asked to wear a mask is way more important than, oh I don't know, potentially saving lives and getting the economy back on its feet. Fucking morons.
Amen sister!!
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u It's just moron mentality. And how about the people who wear a mask over their mouth but not over their nose?
How bout all the people that go into a restaurant with a mask on and once they sit down they take there mask off. Dont look around you know who I'm talking about
@Cnelson12345ceo You wear the mask as you are entering and leaving and anytime you are away from your table. You can't eat wearing a mask so of course you take it off at the table. However, tables are spaced at least 6 feet apart, the wait staff wears masks at all times, and the table and chairs are sanitized before the next party is seated at the same table.
Moron? Using your choice of word... id rather be a moron than a poxy coward
@Cnelson12345ceo valid point, best would be actually to take away food and eat it at home if you really wanna crub the spread. Hopefully, the food wasn't already contaminated with COVID too :(
i completely agree that it is 100% moronicto wear a mask over your mouth but not the nose. though not wearing a mask is a reasnoable position, as that's what even the WHO said before politics decided that the symbolism and fear mongering of wearing masks is way too powerfull to be unused.
@genericname85 It is impossible to trust government supplied information on matters of public health because its decisions and announcements are always heavily infused with political influences.
to me it is very ironic that on the one hand side you say it's impossible to trust government information and on the other hand side you say it's moron mentality not to wear a mask. those statements appear to be in direct contradiction with each other to me.
@genericname85 The downside of wearing a mask is minimal and it stands to reason that it would offer some protection against the virus, but I also understand that masks are not 100% effective at filtering out the virus. So what if it's only 50% effective? I'll take that until there's a better alternative.
Initially, we were told to not wear masks because they are useless. Now we are told that masks are mandatory and you can be fined or arrested for not wearing a mask.
When I was a child, we were told that butter is bad for us and we should all switch to margarine. And we were told that as if it was an incontrovertible fact. About 20 years later, we were told that margarine is far worse than butter and we should all switch to butter. And we were told that as if it was an incontrovertible fact.
So, no, I don't trust the government for public heath information. In this instance, they said masks were useless and then they said masks helped slow the spread of the virus. Obviously, they are untrustworthy once again, but one of those two statements is probably true. I choose to believe that masks offer some protection against the virus, but not because the government said it.
well why don't you wear a mask 24/7 then. just to be safe. i mean there's no downside. might as well be safe.
i don't trust the government in both instances. in fact i do personally see the measures taken as very bad as the collateral damage and the denouncing and "danger" ideology that is forced upon people is extremely dangerous so while i understand the narrative that "better be safe than sorry", i see the mask as a symbol of far greater issues so i personally would rather risk getting actually corona than feeding the narrative and idiology behind it at this point.
and i don't think that my point is moronic. just like i don't think it's moronic to wear a mouth protection if you think that helps you.
I understand your point absolutely. I am a Libertarian leaning-don't tread on me kind of guy. But it's not just your health that is at risk when you make your political statement.
In my hometown, most of the large retail establishments are open with requirements that you wear a mask at all times while in the store. Some people simply refused to wear a mask and want to have an argument with the store manager. These same people will walk up and stand with a foot of me if they want something on the shelf and I'm in their way. They just can't wait or talk me to step aside while they quickly head something.
My mother is 89 years old and my stepfather is 90. Both are in declining health. I see them frequently. If I don't wear a mask and they get the virus and die, I might forever blame myself. With those considerations, l wear a mask.
yeah me too. i think that level of control should not be allowed to a government... cause trust me, i'm german. next thing you have a raging dictator gasing the "corona deniers" for public safety. i know how that happens. we are taught that up and down in history lessons in germany. strangely enough we fell for the same shit again. sad to see.
nothing wrong with being careful. nothing wrong with being hygienic. nothing wrong with government suggesting such behavior. enforcing their opinion, using a vague threat to promote fear and by punishment, not so much.
i'm not "not" wearing the mask cause i love threattening my fellow humans. i'm not wearing it to show there's nothing to fear and that you shouldn't let the government utilize fear to take your freedom away. maybe that sounds exaggerated but if you look at recent laws, that is undeniably the case.
when the government goes too far, people need to stand up. if they don't, government will go further and further. history showed that over and over again.
@generucname85 your last statement is the crux of this so i agree with you completely on that
i mean we gotta realize that live ends some day. and something will definitely kill you. "old age" is not something that is written on the death certificate. we should not use death to create fear. we should have learned that since the late 16th century when we noticed that the church used the same strategy to stay in power.
Yes the idiots dont understand that this stuff isn't going to end once everyone wears masks for two weeks, this won't end until biden is president and everyone is force vaccinated and microchiped.
That's what this whole thing is about, otherwise this would have all been over once the lockdown endes
@Cnelson12345ceo very true
@Cnelson12345ceo in don't see it as a biden thing. i just see it as a general fear mongering thing to more easily change laws to give the government more power. presidents are just strawmen. they don't matter.
Not necessarily a biden thing, it's more of a trump thing, and to force vaccinate everyone and microchip everyone so that they can have total control of us. And this goes to the rest of the world to that's why the "virus" was bad in other countries to
@Cnelson12345ceo actually trump didn't want to do shit about it. you see that with trump. it's the establishment showing it's face trump is just another puppet. but he sometimes just blurt out with stuff that other president would have been secretive about.
Lol u r right bro. People who wear mask over their mouth leaving their nose is like covering the testis and leaving d dick (nose). 🤣
@Cnelson12345ceo Just how would you expect them to eat and where they sit isn't it at the recommended 6 feet from any other patron with exception of those at the same table?
ok i know this is probably hard for you to understand, cause you already said that it's "stupidity, ego or stubbornness" however try to put yourself in the mind of someone that sees that there's a lot of bullshit going on with the numbers and that absolutely does not agree that there is a "danger" that legitimates the government from taking dictatorship like action against it's citizens.
litterally destroying the economy and the livelyhoods of litterally billions of people, legitimated by a fear that is not properly substentiated.
if you think like this, wearing a mask is the symbol of dictatorship, supression and fake news. and it's not just stupid "conspiracy theorists". it's world renowned experts that disagree with it... so from that perspective, wearing a mask is stupid and borderline criminal, cause it advertises for litterally everything that's wrong with society right now.
of course wearing a mask itself doesn't hurt. it's not about ego. it's about not accepting an establishment narrative that's driven by bullshit.
the numebrs they show are nonsensical. and yeah if you believe them, then wearing a masks is sensible to you. i get that.
This analysis falls flat on its face simply because --- now it's a worldwide conspiracy by everevery government, right? The number of "world renowned experts" who agree with your statement is roughly equal to the number of "world renowned scientists" who believe that global warming is a hoax too.
So to prove your theory, I'd LOVE to see the states of Florida and Tennessee (they're so brilliant) open up everything, completely, and close their borders to all visitors and lock down the state for 45 days. Only food and supplies can come in, and the trucks and drivers are sanitized at the borders, and they don't touch a thing or get close to anyone. Let's do that and watch what happens.
@loveslongnails "This analysis falls flat on its face simply because --- now it's a worldwide conspiracy by everevery government, right?" yes. i know you said that to make it sound ridiculous but i do think that is the case.
if you claim "this analysis falls flat on it's face", provide arguments or else that's just a dumb insult.
if you claim something about scientific consensus, at least do it right. the majority of scientists support global warming, while those that support the corona measures are government agencies, not scientists. scientists defy what they say.
Bullshit 1: look at the official WHO definition. we're counting "everyone that died while having corona" as corona death. so if you jump of a cliff and someone takes a corona test from some of the splattered meat of your body and it's positive, you're a corona death. i am not making this up. that is officially how the big death number in the toll comes together.
Bullshit 2: the PCR tests are not reliable, as they have a false positive rate of around up to 5%, which considering how many tests are done COULD litterally amount of "infected" people we're counting. so we're doing so many tests, that the 5% false positive would give us as many infected as we're counting right now.
bullshit 3: counting total infections. this is intentionally done to look menacing to scare the public. if we controll the infection rates for the rates of testing, we end up with actually a very underwhelming overall flu wafe this year.
bullshit 4: we do not observe a global mortality greater than last years this year. so there's really no sign of a dangerous pandemy this year. in fact there has been studies by german healthcare institutions, showing that actually more people died to the "measures taken by the government" than to corona, cause cancer and coronary heart disease patients didn't get examinations and postponed operations due to the corona scare.
there's at least 5 more points but i can't put so many words :(
It sounds ridiculous because it IS ridiculous. This right here " we do not observe a global mortality greater than last years this year. so there's really no sign of a dangerous pandemic this year" ... is total crap. You are just a disseminator of misinformation and conjecture. I'm not saying it's the boubonic plague, but there's no "world wide conspiracy" to kill the planetary economy. Good Lord !!
@loveslongnails well if this is total crap, why do you fail to show me that in a reasonable argument and instead just choose to ignorantly insult me again? and why do you ignore all the other arguments i had?
i showed you that i was willing to listen to your argument by not being insulted by what you said and rationally explained my position.
i highly adice you to stop being an ignorant, insulting buffoon and actually go and inform yourself to be able to articulate your opinion in compelling ways instead of using insults and ridicule, which never proved anything to be wrong.
but you can try that somewhere else. i don't wish to continue wasting my time with your ignorant ass, articulating my arguments based on considerable research just to be told "that's dumb" without any argument for why that is dumb. i am open and willinng to be corrected. being told that i'm dumb after all i wrote is laughably moronic from your side, which i understand is a big pill to swallow, but i believe you can be better if you try.
1. They don't think coronavirus is a big deal or it's a hoax
2. They somehow think their rights are being taken away.
3. Our President won't lead by example by consistently wearing them. He mocks it but also believes there is a time and place for them. Just not when it's during a pandemic I guess.
4. They don't believe science or doctors. They believe what economists say.
5. Some are selfish in that they can't be bothered being inconvenienced.
6. Some think their religious beliefs are so strong that God will protect them not the mask. Also the devil is behind the science and Doctors
7. They think philanthropist Bill Gates is trying to put trackers in us with a vaccine because they read it online. This also furthers their belief it's a hoax.
8. They think the death rate is so low that it doesn't matter and it's just like the flu.
9. Young people don't think it matters because they're the least likely to die of it
And the tenth reason why people won't wear a mask is because they're being stupid
Just to start. I wear my mask and follow procedures. That said.
There are doctors who disagree and they're disregarded. Saying as a blanket statement that they "don't believe doctors" is short sighted because the same could be argued for anyone advocating to wear a mask. You're really saying they don't agree with YOUR doctors you choose to listen to over others. And in most cases there's no relevant basis for why you chose to follow those doctors rather than others. That's just objective reality.
For most people they fully appeal to authority. They think doctor knows more than me, doctor says this i go by this. The problem is when now another doctor says the opposite and you're digging your heels in because you picked a doctor already. Now you're invested. If he's wrong then you've wasted all this time, energy and in some cases resources AND you have to admit to being wrong which is embarrassing. That's a lot of motivation to disregard the words of a doctor.
But when you look at it logically that isn't based in reason, rather it's an emotional case. There's a reason appeal to authority is a fallacy. It's flawed thinking.
@rjroy3
I get your point and that does make it confusing for sure. I'll clarify my point.
People don't believe the majority of doctors and major health organizations. It's not flawed thinking to agree with the majority of experts. It's flawed to think that a few doctors that, some which are discredited when you research, are correct. What's more probable? That's my issue with people that won't wear masks. They will side with something that has the lowest possible chance of being correct because they think it's right or it aligns with what they want to be true to avoid inconvenience. I do respect your standpoint though and appreciate the reply.
I wouldn't say it's flawed thinking to agree with the majority. The flawed thinking is treating it as fact on the basis of authority and majority. Just because someone is professional doesn't mean their statement is correct, just because majority of people say one thing doesn't make it correct. In general you can assume it's a safe bet, but at the end of the day it is still a bet.
So again. You're really saying they don't agree with YOUR doctors you have chosen and they're wrong for going with others professional opinions. Still flawed thinking. Unless you're going to set aside the time to break down and fully understand the unique mechanism that is provided by the mask and specifically how it prevents the virus and then go on to prove this fact through observable measures. You're just going on someone else's word. So you can't really stand on the ground of being "right" on the basis of "majority/Authority". Plenty of examples of why that's a problem
They're not my doctors. These are scientists as well as doctors that use studies to back claims. And yes I side with this because they've done the most research. This is the best bet because I can't know, nor can any avg Joe, have the knowledge on what's best to do. We all have a choice on how to logically conclude which is more probable. This isn't what I think. I'm smart enough to know physical evidence (studied to prove a hypothesis) not opinion is the only thing we can go by. Unless you're conspiracy driven which I've stated my opinion.
Let me get it right from your standpoint. I think you're saying
Majority isn't always right
Some doctors disagree and this is a problem.
Since there's no consensus you've possibly invested in the side who might be wrong and then you risk the thing you're trying to prevent.
Very good. That's a conundrum that we're all in. If any doctor says don't wear a mask or argues the WHO or the CDC recommendations you have to decide who is most likely right. Ask for their credentials in the specific matter of infectious disease. Ask them for the data to prove the majority of studies wrong.
I want to ask you personally. What do you believe is the best source for information on prevention of infectious disease? Also what do you think a person should do when they have to decide between conflicting advice?
You know where I stand. If not I'll be clear. I don't take advice from my doctors... I take advice from the sources that have the most research with evidence showing the outcome that is most preferable in the situation you're in. We're all gambling when we take advice in a matter that we can't possibly know like a pandemic. Logic says go with the highest statical probability in this matter. That doesn't make it full proof but it is more logical. In this situation this is how you deal with decision making. Not playing devil's advocate or saying this is flawed. Life is flawed so choose wisely. Good luck
I think it's more complicated. We don't even know how good a mask protects you and others there are only a few not very well performed studies. Also since there are so many available masks right now and most of them are not checked we don't even know whether the materials they are made of are safe. You also gotta take a look at conditions since masks don't really give sense in certain situations if it's really hot or during sports for instance your mask becomes wet really fast. The problem is that their might be actually more germs building under the mask then the mask is preventing. Theirfore you would than have to change the mask really often. And then their is hypercapnia aka having to much CO2 in your blood. I know their are lots of people saying that it doesn't come from wearing a mask but I feel like for me it's not true. I definitely get quite dizzy and a headache after wearing a mask longer than half an hour. I am just trying to be objective here and I am wearing a mask in public all the time. However I definitely have to put my nose partly free for a few minutes after like an hour because otherwise I would get extremely dizzy and I feel like passing out.
I personally think it would make sense to make masks obligatory in certain situations where it gives sense but not being to strict about people taking the mask of for a short period of time before they start passing out. However that's just my personal opinion.
For some reasons the act of wearing a mask has become something very political.
Like if you wear it that makes you a supporter to something and if you don't it's in support to something else. And pro-masks are in conflict with anti-masks these answers prove it.
Personally I wear mine and try not to argue with people who don't.
That being said if someone cauighs in my face I'd make sure they end up caughing blood. Because while you are free to do what's best for you you are not free to do something that can harm me.
ironically wearing a mask makes those people feel unsafe, i've had a customer say that it makes him feel claustrophobic, they also have lung issues which makes it hard to breathe. there are others who fear that it's taking away their freedom to choose. personally I could care less I don't like wearing the mask because it messes up my glasses and I can't see so I won't wear one when I'm driving I won't wear one when I walk down the side walk if a business requires it I will take it out of my pocket and wear a mask. Also I am required to wear one at work so I do wear one but there's many reasons why people are afraid to wear a mask
What's up with Karens who think they have a right to tell others what to do? Nobody has an obligation to make crazy people feel safe and secure. What makes Karens think they have correct information? Because the man on TV says so?
They need to educate themselves. Either that or stay home in their safe, sanitized spaces... because pharmaFauci recommends it.
I recommend that everyone else go about their happy lives, smiling, greeting people, shaking hands, hugging gathering together, laughing, singing and, you know, being human.
You have no right to risk OTHER people's health, you uneducated, selfish piece of shit.
We already can't pray in public, say anything that any liberal thinks is offensive, wear Trump shirts or caps, forced health insurance that is 3 times the price it was, and have driving insurance. You also can't have a gun even if licensed in any public place. We are forced to share public bathrooms with freaks so they can pull our kids pants down and sexually abuse them. Can't smoke tobacco. Plus they make you go all 4 years of high school. I mean I think you should , but I don't like socialism forced on anyone.
@888theGreat "Plus they make you go all 4 years of high school."
What an incredible imposition to someone's basic human right to be stupid, uneducated and have a life of getting fired from shitty jobs.
@jakerson181 still forced to do something. It would be better if kid wanted on his own to finish , not because he had to.
that is any white woman that doesn't want date a black man .
Hey, wittymilf. What'cha been up to?
The term Karen has evolved. It originally referred to the kind of woman, typically privileged, middle aged and white, who would be demanding and mean and ask to see the manager when they didn't get their way. Much of it was racially motivated. They would often call the police on black people, claiming that they were being harassed and threatened when it was they who were doing the harassing.
Now it pretty much refers to anyone who gets in other people's faces and demands to get their way. Again, it's based on a sense of privilege.
There are lots of examples on Youtube where Karen behavior has been caught on cell phone cameras.
by the way, I was not referring to you when I used the term. I hope you didn't take it that way. I don't care if people choose to wear masks, but I am confronted all the time by people who insist that others do so. I've studied the issue in depth and have serious concerns about the mandatory "emergency measures". I guess I was reacting. ✌️ ❤️
You're an illiterate science-denier. Shut the fuck up, imbecile. I genuinely hope you catch the virus and die of it. :)
And now SHUT THE FUCK UP, you science-denying, hyper-selfish, conspriacy asshole.
Mountbelowaverage blocked me. Just can't take the truth I guess.
Even Jack off some doesn't block me. He acts like a horses ass , but doesn't block me
@888theGreat Sometimes kids just have to be told they need to at least finish high school if they're too stupid to understand that themselves. Maybe you could make a public service announcement for them, you know like a scared straight thing. You're in your shitty little single wide and you look up at the camera and ask "You want to have to spend your whole fucking life selling second hand crap at flea markets like me or do you want to be able to get a decent job?" You think that might do it?
@888theGreat I don't block people. I don't care enough about this site or the people on it to even exert the extremely minimal effort it would take to find the right tab. Besides, someone's got to be able to tell you how full of shit you are. I, on the otherhand, have been blocked by more right wing pussies than I can count. I even had a new right winger who just joined and who I had never even interacted with block me the other day. I guess by reputation. I can't tell you how proud that made me. Like I'm making a real difference.
Hey Lliam 😊👋. I’ve been having a shit time.. I have serious concussion so screen time is supposed to be band from my list of fun things you can do in life 🙄 along with working , drinking, exercising and sex... and they wonder why people with concussion get depression. At this rate I’ll become a Karen... except I’m house bound so No one will even know🙄
Some days I feel like I’m getting better, other days I feel like I’m getting much worse, but this may just be due to me not accurately remembering how I felt yesterday 🙄. I had two knocks to the head within a month, first not too bad walked into a glass door a still have a lump in my head and I had a black eye for 10 days... the second was really bad... drunk mate had me in a head lock when he started stumbling sideways and wouldn’t let me go... my head broke our fall into a concrete fence. So impact on check and top of my head... head got fence check got foot path. I’m so over feeling like shit it’s been 2 weeks at 3 am local time tonight.
@jakerson181 He saw how awful you were with me and blocked you
@888theGreat I'm trying to enjoy my Saturday, dumbass. I didn't even bother responding to today's "888 Stupid Question of the Day". Leave me alone.
@jakerson181 using that right hand again, I would think you would favor your left hand
@888theGreat No hands today since your mom's mouth and ass were available.
@jakerson181 not nice liberal
My freedoms don't end so others can "feel" safe! If you want to feel safe, stay home and be as safe as you feel you want, but many others want to live their life and take reasonable risk. I don't wear a mask first and foremost because it's my choice and I don't need to justify that choice living in a free country. Secondly, this virus is a dud and literally lesser than most colds. I keep my immune system strong by getting exposed to things and not letting fear overcome me.
go lick some ventilator tubing-if that doesn't work supercharge your immune system by traveling to Uganda and eat some bush meat. You are proof that Darwin was right!
I'm anti anything that forces people. Who gets to have the opinion in which everyone then has to follow by force? What makes the opinion of one group more valid than the other group? At least here in America, it was never intended that the village of popular opinion get to have power and tyranny over others.
"Seatbelts and attending school , building permits.. housing standards" First of all, it's none of the government's damn business what I build on my own property! Nor is my housing stand their business. Seatbelts are my option if I want to die in an accident and attending school is the call of parents! None of these items are the proper function of government!
It's called freedom!
Haha, ok. Except I'm sorry to burst your bubble that's filled with assumptions. I didn't actually vote for Trump. I voted for the libertarian party candidate!
Medically speaking, the masks do not work. They are just a panic control measure. If you look on the boxes of surgical masks, the CDC even warns they do not work on viruses, but do work against bacteria. Also, wearing the same mask over and over without washing it exposes you to bad bacteria that your body expels. I do not wear a mask for 2 reasons: 1st, I do not like feeding into lies just to comfort others. I was a medic in the military and believe facing reality is better than hiding because we are afraid. It takes confronting an issue to solve it. 2nd, I see no point in inconveniencing myself to comfort others. If the masks really worked, then I would gladly wear it to help others. However, there is no benefit in wearing them so it is pointless to wear them just to make others feel better emotionally.
Because they don't believe the mask work.. It was 3 to 4 months and all of a sudden we are told to wear them, plus half the people who wear them don't even wearthem correctly and they touch their face too much which defeats the purpose of wearin them..
Half the vaccinations either don't work or cause injury.. The early trials for the Covid vaccines are goin terribly and yet they want to go on with cause... Money.. The latest Flu Vaccine was said to be only 10% effective this past Flu season.. So as for them workin... I don't know.. 😅..
Cause people are morons with limited understanding of how viruses and diseases spread. Most don't know (or rather don't care) that they can be asymptomatic and still carry the virus. Exercising their first ammendment rights is more important to them then the death of a few thousand people. It also doesn't help that their supreme leader Trump thinks/says whatever bullshit is on his mind, even though it has no scientific validity (I. e. children are pretty much immune to the virus, and the US is doing better than a lot of countries in terms of COVID... blah, blah, blah). If only the virus specifically targeted arrogant dumb asses, the world would be a better place.
I think these people are the equivalent to Atheists. Since they cannot see a physical ideology or reason with it, it must be fake or non existent.
Im a male dancer but that gig has been destroyed because the club the I work in has filed for bankruptcy, and the landlord is suing them for missing rent, etc...
I work as a security guard atm. I’ve been to morgues and buildings that have been converted into make shift hospitals. The bodies of the coronavirus victims are there, and the pandemic still exist. PEOPLE NEED to wear masks. I wish I could sneak in a couple of videos but I’m not that stupid. I’m a sheepdog, if the sheep thinks the wolf doesn’t exist because they can’t see the wolf, then let the sheep think the wolf doesn’t exist.
It’s a lot like defensive driving. We know we have to look out for those who are indifferent to others’ safety. Masks are no different. I’m frankly sick of the mask/don’t mask debate. If you don’t wear a mask, whether for valid reasons or out of defiance, I really don’t care as long as you keep distance. I’m not going to give you any shit about not wearing one. In a similar vein keep your yap shut if I and others wear a mask. Spare me the lecture about how you think I’m being controlled, how masks don’t work, yada yada. I wear a mask based on advice of my doctors, as they know my medical history. You don’t. I didn’t put a quarter in you, so zip it skippy. Around here those who wear masks are more often confronted and harassed than those who don’t. And the next one who does it to me will probably get throat punched.
So I had a discussion with a viralogist about this subject tonight. He confirmed my thoughts that masks are bullshit by and large.
a lot of people use common sense and know it's kind of bullshit. Wearing masks is really more about making other people feel comfortable who don't know any better and protecting businesses who have to deal with state mandates... on the basis of making people feel better who don't know any better.
Anyone who cares strongly about masks should take the time to learn the ins and outs of what a mask does specifically and know the mechanism of "how" it helps. If you do that and feel the same way I'll respect your opinion. Until then you're just a scared sheep.
Thank you
Sadly there are those who think covid-19 is a hoax most of them are anti-vaxers and I dare say the intellectual level of a flat earthers.
The mentality of these people is they believe what they believe have, no actual evidence to back this up (apart from a because I say so argument) and when confronted by any factual evidence consider it faked in some way.
If it wasn't for the fact there ignorance will cause them to spread the virus if they catch it then I'd say let them have it would help the world to thin them out a bit.
Because most people believe this Corona shit is overly hyped made up bullshit and think it’s pretty pointless to wear it , so they are stubborn about it , Me personally agrees with them on something’s but I don’t have a problem wearing it , the way I look at it is it’s respect for others , if I am going to someone’s store and they require wearing shoes , I am going to wear shoes , so if the store requires a mask I will wear a mask , it’s not my establishment to make that decision , if I was a store owner and someone didn’t like my rules, then go shop somewhere else I hate people that think they have a right on things when they aren’t the ones paying the bills , you don’t like it then get the fuck out simple as that
I wear a mask but I can see why people would complain. It be interesting to know how many dangerous chemicals were breathing by wearing those masks. Also it’s really unclear whether wearing masks has an affect in preventing the spread. The reason being that it’s unclear if the virus stays in the air and for how long. I can understand wearing a mask if you’re talking to someone and you’re within 6 feet or if you’re sneezing or coughing. However I don’t think you’re spreading the virus by simply breathing. I think the virus is being spread because people touch something and then they touch their face.
Why do people smoke? Why do people drive using their phones? Why do people drive drunk? Why do people wear perfume?
All those and more negatively affect other people and are easy enough behavior to not do. So why do people do all those things?
They do those things because nobody is asking them not to, or they’re under the influence of mind altering chemical. And those things are also perceived to be beneficial by them. None of that applies to simple mask wearing. Not wearing a mask is more similar to saying you won’t stop at red lights anymore because you don’t want to 🤷♀️
With every passing day Americans just prove themselves to be more and more stupid. Like it freaking bruises their ego or something. Even I hate wearing masks doesn't mean that I just won't wear them. I always do and I don't feel restricted in any way. What's with people acting like wearing a mask is like strangling yourself, I'll never understand.
Im American. Please don't put me in the same boat as those idiots. I've been trying to distance myself from such stupidity for years.
It's good that you're conscious 😊
Im a conservative and I think it’s stupid that people refuse.
But in some places like public parks it’s stupid. Also the gym I workout at requires it. It’s not a big deal when I’m lifting weights. But when I’m cardio it’s next to impossible to keep one on. I choose an elliptical machine far away from everybody and the gym employee still (politely) came over and said I needed one on That makes doing hard cardio next to impossible
I think the big problem is that earlier Anthony Fauci went back and forth about wearing one. At one point back in March he said NOT to wear one. Also many of the mass BLM protesters and rioters didn’t wear one. But the media didn’t utter a word about that stupidity of course (not the gross hypocrisy of those people being pro lockdown earlier)
I will continue to wear one. But I don’t think it makes that big of difference unless you are for sure sick or need to cough/sneeze.
I'm one of those people, because your rights end were mine begin. You're part of a high risk group? Stay home and lock yourself in a plastic bubble.
This actually reminds me of an old philosophical debate that was either Buddhist or Greek, which posed the idea of covering the entire world in leather, before people had the bright idea of just covering peoples feet in leather instead.
It's the exact same logic. It makes no sense locking all of society down as opposed to only those most at risk.
So yeah, my mentality is if you die from my germs then that's not my fault, it was yours for choosing to not isolate yourself.
Don't believe I was talking to you asshole
I just finished getting Jaw Surgery, and my whole face is swollen. I can already barely breathe through my nose, and my mouth is now wired shut. I’d most likely suffocate if I had to wear it more than a couple of minutes. They didn’t even make me wear it at the hospital recovering. I’ve gotten yelled at by people at the grocery store, and actually kicked out. People are rude. I’m medically cleared, and people don’t listen to reason. I understand the paranoia, but I can’t tell the anxiety that comes when you’re already malnourished eating out of a straw and have to go hungry because people won’t allow you to buy food. Luckily I got my girl and family to take care of me, but that was a day in hell trying to get food.
I work at a convenience store. I'd say about 60-70% of customers wear a mask. Only 20-30% social distance. Some say the crisis is over. Some say it's over hyped. Some are just aholes. The lazy and forgetful put their shirts over their faces. Some are protesting the shutdown and think wearing a mask is political.
When they ask if I enforce the rule I say no, unless you have a cough. Then I will get very angry. If you have a "smoker's cough" wear a friggin mask! If you dont, its courteous to wear one, and discourteous to not. That's what I tell people.
I would say it is selfishness and stupidity of people to not wear masks! Just think about it that people who are not wearing masks, they are putting themselves in danger and other people as well! I would say recommend everyone to stay inside their homes, to not wander unnecessarily! Those who are going outside, wear masks, use sanitizer, be faraway from people as possible!
Um... you want people to take measures to protect you by hobbling themselves and their children instead of simply hunkering down yourself, and you claim they're the ones being selfish? You have not thought this through.
But what’s the big deal about wearing a mask? I mean you’re not fighting following the road rules.. you’re not saying I should stay home if I do t want to get rammed by a car who decides they no longer like stopping at red lights because they don’t like being told what to do. Why is putting a mask on such a big deal, but following Other guidelines isn’t? That’s the real question.
Well some people feel like it’s taking away from there freedom.. lol but I mean if that’s the case, what why don’t they fight helmet use while riding recreational vehicles and bikes. Or them requiring a seatbelt while driving or operating a vehicle... better yet, fighting property taxes on property that you paid for, because if you truly own something, why you have to keep paying on it? Or having a car and still having to pay to operate it (register it, have insurance on it, etc...) but yet, those are fine... but wearing a mask that could help curb the spread of a virus, and is a safety mandate for the public is an attack on our freedom 🙄 give me a break!
For jaysus sake, here we go again. Look... ill say it as simply as possible... Masks are useless placebos. Masks reduce O2 intake and inhibit CO2 dispersion dangerously. Masks are to continue the fear and further implant the psyop. Masks are a symbol of obedience and cowardice. Im not going into it AGAIN cos obviously you people are accepting the lies and NOT doing ANY fucking research. The science is out there being silenced. Its amazing how experts bang on about masks but not about actual immune system care via a healthy diet and lack of stress (science out there). BUT, other experts who do not advocate wearing muzzles are silenced, criticised and banned. doesn't take much fucking digging deep to see the fucking cracks. Enjoy whats left of your freedoms and remember its those like us who are fighting to stay free. If you're gonna argue back without doing any research then shag off.
Because America has a cult of stupidity. It has for a long time but it’s gotten worse.
oh that and there actually is a little bit of a conspiracy - a large number of twitter accounts posting inaccurate info about Covid are bots. So basically all the people claiming the elites have a coronavirus conspiracy are almost right but actually backwards - the conspiracy is killing them off by telling them to refuse to wear masks.
Regardless of Politics, many are Just--Dicks. There is a Pandemic out here and Wearing a mask and Social Distancing can at least help CURVE some of this virus.. Doesn't take a Rocket Scientist. Some say it a Hoax and Some Say it is Politics... I say as MASTER it is Real Deal. Be Smart, Everyone!!! xx
I kinda just end up wishing they would catch covid and find out what they could have avoided first hand. RARELY do i wish bad things on others but sometimes the best way to teach those who are ignorant. Is for them to first hand experience of what they thought was fiction.
Typical liberal wishing death and sickness on everyone that doesn't agree with you and not just masks but everything else.
I love when liberals want to try to make a point and seem reasonable , they start off by saying I am moderate , then go far left with their points being critical of conservatives , which most Republicans are not. Most Republicans are not even Christians.
@888theGreat I'd say good things about conservatives if their choices didn't always bite themselves in the ass on a consistent basis. Sure liberals have made mistakes but they at least didn't burn everyone equally. Some groups at least came out ahead. One has to wonder when almost every excutive order or new law just makes everyone more miserable rather than better off. I mean look the trumps half baked plan for tarrifs XD. They costed the US almost as much as war does with out the profit that comes with.
Let alone the fact covid has only gotten worse in the states and yet the conservatives want kids to go back to school. Which is an enormous hazard to families if they are multi- generational. Infected COVID kid goes back home infected. And potientially wipes out their family cause their infected. :/ That'll be a great headline for Trumps education board.
If you look the people refusing are usually 1) "conservative" 2) Trump supporters 3) Climate Change deniers 4) Conspiracy theorists. Q'ANON types 5) Minimally educated-usually just high school a few with maybe a bachelors degree 6) Lower middle class. Interestingly, these are the same types who were drawn to Fascism in Germany and Italy in the 1930s (obviously insert Hitler or Mussolini for Trump in #2, #3 wasn't an issue and #4 no q'anon then but they did have conspiracy theories. In short-its oppositional reactive types who substitute their "faith" (in this case in Trump) for reason or logic.
Yeah no kidding.
Last week, I went on a search and rescue, carrying a 200 pound woman on a litter for a mile wearing a mask the whole time... and I have asthma! It was 90 degrees outside and 80% humidity.
And you say you can’t wear one in an air conditioned room for 20 minutes. Bitch, please.
Anyone that thinks these makes are doing anything ask yourself this. Why does the CDC virus teams wear tyvec and hoods and respirators? Anyone that's worn these masks in an environment where the particulate is visible knows just how much gets past them. If that's a good enough mask why doesn't cdc people just wander up to sars and ebola in jeans t shirt and a paper mask? Because they don't do anything! People wearing masks are still getting sick.
But a government with too much power is more dangerous than any virus. Tyrannical governments have killed far more people than any coronavirus.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Sars coronavirus suit.
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You're making this political and it's ridiculous. The mask is to prevent a sneeze from spreading. It's not perfect but it's lessening the chance of a spread. I hate saying this but people like you don't learn any way other than the hard way. I hope you or anyone you care about doesn't have to get this virus and die for you to get it.
Because many believe masks don’t do shit and it is just a political statement almost like a “vote for biden” bumper sticker on your face. It also kind of scares people and they get overwhelmed and finally boil over with rage and go crazy like shoot someone or commit assault. A mask helps catch SOME virus particles but since covid has been found to be airborne unless you are wearing a professional respirator you are expelling covid from the non air tight regions of the mask as well as inhaling it in. So there is some truth to saying masks don't do shit. It is also creating pollution where people discard cheap pointless surgical masks and gloves on the ground where animals can get injured. Also note that most medical professionals discouraged the use of masks for the general public early on has the science really changed all that much or are they just letting this security blanket have a pass to make people feel better?
Trump's followers do anything trump says. And Trump doesn't wear a mask. There. I'm just over it by now. 2020 and possibly 2021 and on will be shit. My senior year will be trash as well yayyy *rolls eyes*
@WilliamY oh sorry he worse it once :D after months
I agree and disagree. Yes trump is feeding into the politicization of masks by not wearing one as often. But I don’t see him as the root, trump is a counterpuncher.
The Chinese Virus has had buzzwords created by the press or democrats seemingly every month: ventilators, PPE, testing, schools opening, masks. The strategy is clear. Dumb down a complex issue to prove how incompetent trump is in handling it. Each of those buzzwords rose to breaking news status on CNN and they were repeated hundreds of times a day. The Biden campaign will use the Chinese Virus and those simple buzz words to prove that Biden would have solved these simple issues better.
I predict the next buzzword will be therapeutics or vaccines next month and the big political fight will be democrats insisting they be free and that minorities are first in line while the republicans prefer a low cost and the military handles the logistics.
@WilliamY Republicans do no want low costs or else we wouldn't be suffering from our healthcare crisis.
The big deal has to do with what people believe.
There's a psychological issue that was brought up through testing of POWs (think it was Vietnam without looking it up). Basically you started small, write down the sentence "America is not a perfect country" seems like an ok thing to do even if you think that America is the best country it would be silly to say it's perfect. From there little increments are added and you have the frog on the stove idea. That's what people believe, that the mask is the equivalent of slowly turning up the heat.
I'm not one of those that are refusing to wear a mask but I also don't think that it has a significant affect on infection rates. I think the masks are just being used for political gains "look we're doing... something".
Masks don't do anything, Sweden and South Dakota prove this.
Mask proponents take sanitary advice from people who tell you to sneeze into your elbow and then to bump elbows as a greeting.
It's that we pay attention and don't let fear control us.
From my point of view, there's enough evidence to suggest that Corona virus cannot be filtered by your everyday mask. so somebody telling you to do something that's ineffective, for the sake of everyone else's feelings, is stupid.
I contend that Corona virus may be spread worse by people who wear masks and other protective gear due to their false sense of security! they do not sneeze into their elbow because they're wearing a mask, they do not wash their hands or use sanitizer because they're wearing gloves.
I saw a lady in the supermarket TAKE HER MASK OFF so she could sneeze... 🙃
Until they get it, someone they love or just know. They don't believe it.
Peoo say it makes them short of breath.
Umm not that I've noticed but, if it's hot, you're experiencing anxiety, you're unfit, I can see how this may feel restrictive.
Wear it don't wear it.
I can't worry about others anymore, because it only works to upset others if Ifollow the advice and they don't.
So long as they're 2 metres regardless of Circumstances I have to hope I'll be safe.
With how some are wearing them, and not wearing them, or jut wearing 'Bandannas' or cotton scarfs, does it really matter?
Statistically, you are less than likely to cross paths with 1 person, infected, with every 50! And that is just a 'GUESS'!! Most that are infected, and "SICK" are home, and not out, so maybe more like 1 in 75, and that one, doesn't know they are infected, and MAYBE contagious?
I won't wear one for the following reasons
One I don't want to and I'm not going to be forced to do something I don't want to do
Bad enough that I'm forced to pay taxes
Another reason is. The virus is being use as a gimmick to sell vaccines and force people to comply. Just like when they tried with the swine flu, Ebola and others
They will have to shoot and kill me before I'll wear one
Gotta be an American.
When the healthy have to put one on for a non-airborne exosome, and still be told that singing hymns will get their water shut off, when tech giants ban doctors from discussing HCQ at all on their platforms, when BLM can do whatever it wants, but the rest of us are told we must follow the arrow on the floor, it's not about disease safety. It's about the FEMA plan to make us all cyborgs. Just wear the mask today, just get in the boxcar tomorrow!
There is a considerable body of evidence that suggests wearing low grade masks has negligible effect. It is a purely cosmetic action, and possibly dangerous because it gives people a false sense of security. That is why the Welsh regulations have not jumped on the English/Scottish bandwagon.
Some people are just dumb and selfish. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a hoax because of pizzagate stuff, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
They believe in the things they read online, or have heard about that they think are true.
Things like, this pandemic is not even that serious.
Or that masks don't even help at all.
Or that they feel like they're being infringed upon by the government to take away their freedom.
And we are right. If you did some actual real research youd see it
Some people say it’s uncomfortable and that it gets moist down there. Honestly, either avoid people and social distance, or if you have to go near people, wear a mask for everyone sake. It’s honestly crazy how people aren’t treating this as seriously as they should be.
They are selfish narcissists... Wearing a mask is one of the best forms of avoiding the virus, and washing your hands with soap and water. Stay safe 🇨🇦😷
Its called freedom especially if you live in America, no one can make you put on a mask or take one off. NO ONE, scream complain bitch all you want.
Here's the thing if YOU have suych an issue with being in a public space around people that won;t wear masks. YOU have a right to stay or leave. If
Masks are political and financial. States get more money from federal based on cases submitted. I got this info from the nurse. Flu like symptoms= covid case.
That's why cases off the roof by all around you people are on paid vacations of covid coming back smiling in two weeks diagnosed as not covid. Paid to do it.
Someone is going to have to pay heavy taxes for what's going on now.
No doubt-the tax party for the 1% is going to have to end and we definitely have to reverse that idiot Republican Tax Deform that is the only"accomplishment" of the Trump single term. And even THAT is going away.
In some cases they are justified, for example, i shouldn't have to wear mask on a street that isn't crowded, especially if I am doing some physical activity and is super hot outside. Other than that I agree, wearing mask isn't a big deal, they put themselves in a more uncomfortable position by making a scene.
I wasn't wearing mine because my asthma was acting up, I was walking, sidewalk was basically empty.
And she starts cussing me. out about not wearing my mask, so I told her you have on yours I can't breathe pls just keep walking a ND leave me alone. But she yelled so much that she moved her mouth and hers came off from yelling. So 🤷♀️ then we both didn't have one on...
Its a good thing you took off your mask while outside. The virus is not airborne. Plus being outside on the sidewalk with no one around, i guarantee you won't get it. That person had no right to attack you at all.
I didn't feel like they did. And more at risk
Because the lady put me at risk by yelling her particles at me!
People are misinformed and/or just plain idiots and don't understand that the point of the mask is not really to protect the wearer. Wearing the mask reduces the chances that you'll infect others if you have the virus, and you might not know if you have the virus until about a week after you started spreading it.
We wear the mask to protect each other, not ourselves, so egoism is definitely a part of that.
I think it's a combination of everything you've mentioned. Wearing a mask is not that hard. And getting one is fairly simple and cheap.
People are acting like it's the end of the world or that their rights are being violated. Like these are probably the same people that refuse to provide their drivers license when a cop asks for it.
when asked? No problem here, however I have never been asked, and I think social distancing does way more good than the masks. Even a doctor told me if you're within 6 feet of someone for 30seconds even with a mask on you can catch the virus.
I don't wear masks usually, staying away from city people seems to do the trick so far, cause the virus is prominent in cities. My local stores don't require me to wear a mask, but most people still do and isn't asked of them.
You could still get the virus because they other person probably wasn't wearing it. Also you could get it but the likely hood is way less. Your logic is based on selfishness. Experts in viruses say we can save many lives by wearing them but I guess you're plan is way more thought out
@Friendlybro79 well I don't live near other people, also only meet people when I go to either grocery store or liquor store cause you're supposed to quarantine or minimize contact, and I have a death wish and I'm not supposed to live for rest of year due to health reasons
This is why
A flimsy bit of material is meant to stop this "deadly" virus
A flimsy bit of material that doesn't and won't ever make the seal around my face like it's meant to because I've got a massive beard and basically just sit across my beard more than anything.
The answer is E. All of the above.
It really isn't hard to put on a mask for a few minutes. I understand that they aren't comfortable, but if surgeons can do it for 12 hour surgeries, I think we can do it for 20 minutes.
At my workplace, some people dont wear masks but then they required it. I've heard my colleagues say that they can't breathe and that it's too hot. My job is physical and you sweat. Some people take it down or just over their mouths to take a breathe or cool down. So one of the reasons is it not being comfortable.
I wear a mask but I wish I could go without... they cause really bad migraines, stomach aches, chest pains, and sore throats... i already get all this stuff from chronic issues, and so it really sucks when I'm having a good day but then I have to wear a mask that makes me sick...
There was political propaganda against masks, including by the President. So a lot of people are going to believe that.
Agreed! I truly don't understand why it's so hard for people to be considered to each other. It just blows my mind!
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