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nah I know this kinda stuff exists but I think its pretty gross to politicize children. 🤷♀️ I was just making a joke.
Yes. Quality of character of the victim (s) is irrelevant, it’s the principle of the action. I won’t be holding any vigils for the dead guys, but it doesn’t make what the kid did right. And not for nothing... where the FUCK are Rittenhouse’s parents? You let your kid go to a riot in another state, and he owns an assault rifle? Parents Of The Year right there, JESUS🙄😒 One of the prime tenets of law & order is that citizens do NOT take matters into their own hands unless absolutely necessary and it’s left to supposedly trained law enforcement officers (who are fucking up left and right and is the whole reason we’re in this mess to start with, but that’s another story). That means literally bringing it to your doorstep. That does not include living out your angsty suburban dorky white kid’s Joker dreams. The three victims, while certainly not Boy Scouts... their cause was valid. Were they there to legitimately protest or stir shit up? Who knows... but a cop, for like the bajillionth time this year alone, shot an unarmed black guy, not once, but SEVEN times, simply for not obeying a command, and that is fucking ridiculous, no matter how you try to justify it. So while I don’t necessarily want to see civil unrest and maybe some of the unfortunate side effects from the less orderly members of the protesting faction, I totally understand WHY they’re out there, and honestly, to even challenge that cause kind of spotlights you as an asshole, that should be a no-brainer, but people just obviously don’t give much of a shit about black people and want to continue this false narrative that it’s all their fault. So Rittenhouse is probably an asshole, just for opposing this, and to show up and try to physically stop it? Well, now you’re a REAL asshole. People should absolutely be in the streets when this shit happens because the peaceful method hasn’t been working since you could see an alive MLK on a black & white TV. The disparity in the treatment of young black men —regardless of what anyone thinks of their behavior— by police, not just this year, but every year in our country’s post-Abolition period, is indisputably obvious and egregious. Lip service gets paid every time, and the problem was never the laws on the books, it’s the thoughts and perceptions in everyday people’s hearts and minds that’s the problem and needs to drastically change. But eventual you realize you’re spinning your wheels when you protest, and people have the fucking audacity to COUNTER-protest the cause? Holy fuck, I’d set shit on fire too, I’d be out of peaceful ideas to get the necessary attention.
Self defense is a reasonable reason
https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE
Self-defense is a fistfight to me. People who use Guns, or really any weaponry, are the ultimate pussies. Guy who got shot with the pistol, he’s a pussy too. Just because someone was dumb enough to invent guns doesn’t mean I’m ever go to accept them as valid means to protect yourself. We are meant to protect ourselves naturally, with our fists, feet, elbows, knees, and forehead. The stronger combatant, right or wrong by subjective standards of human society, is meant to win and survive, the weaker combatant May die, and that is right as rain in nature, which is the only government that matters and is at all valid.
Then they’re all pussies and all in the wrong, I won’t miss any of them, whether they’re in the jailhouse or six feet under.
A fist fight is fine if both parties are agreeable to it and if everything else is equal.
According to you logic a smaller weaker person should either do what the bigger stronger bully wants or be beaten up by them. I assume that the same thing goes for an older frail person or a female. They should fight the bigger stronger bully. Properly used, guns equalize this power difference and are necessary to protect the weakest members of our society. I won't cry over the dead or injured in this case because they were the aggressors and the attackers. Being bigger, stronger and younger doesn't give people the right to intimidate and bully those who they disagree with.
Thank you, good God you're the only one here making sense.
@Rangers Bud, I’m not here to call you or anyone else a coward, that’s not the point of this, I don’t gain anything from that. Insulting people is not the goal, I guess I’m ultimately just sad that humanity has found its way to this point and it seems like there’s no way out. But like, hypothetically, every gun in the world disappears... except yours. Would you still use them to protect yourself? That’s not me trying to be like “yo, you’re a pussy, you’d still carry a gun so you couldn’t fight, man, what an awesome night on the Internet, gonna jack off and go to sleep now after that sick burn!” You’re a pretty intense dude, we disagree on a few fundamental things and I’d probably think some of your beliefs are misconceptions, but I know your endgame in your heart is a peaceful world. Unless you’re a terrorist you wouldn’t run around with the world’s only gun and impose your will on people for the wrong reasons, I like to think you’re more decent than that, based on what I’ve gleaned from what you write here. So if that’s the case, then the only reason you are this passionate about guns is because you believe a lot of bad people have guns and you desperately need them too to protect yourself on a daily basis from a threat you think is not that unlikely. And I see a young guy who should be busy being 21 years old, not thinking he’s walking out onto a battlefield everyday. Just makes me sad that this is the world we live in, man, it’s not supposed to be about this.
@SuccessfulHornDog Those are nature’s rules, not mine. We are in no way entitled to survival, only absolute and unbridled freedom, for better or worse, however it shakes out. And there’s no way nature could have accounted for guns in the equation. I’m just a firm believer that any move outside of nature’s plan is a wrong one. What’s most desirable for us personally shouldn’t factor in, we should have stayed in our lane. Every other animal on the planet answers to nature and nature alone... what logical reason could possibly make our species exempt, the one animal not subjected to all of this? It just makes no sense, I don’t and won’t buy it. There’s not just open validation for whatever we can accomplish, it’s entirely possible to achieve things that are horribly detrimental to natural order. But humanity en masse seems to take tangibility as acceptability, and I just think that’s Bad News Bears, man. “If you can do it, then it must be ok!” Yikes.
As far as the shooter and the “victims”... classic case of “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” on all accounts. Molotov cocktails, pistols, AR-15s, or a skateboard used for swinging... if you bring any one of these things to a riot, you are a certified cock and I couldn’t give a fuck less what happens to you. Could’ve just stayed home and punched the clown, but here you are, lmao.
According to you the white people were justified in subordinating the black people because they were able to do it through their different sociological and technological evolution.
@SuccessfulHornDog Not necessarily, “evolution” to me is physical, like having a tail and then eventually not having one, or going from quadruped to biped. I see most human technology as “outside of natural means”, so like showing up to Africa with rifles constitutes cheating that system. All threats/combat should be hand-to-hand in my ideal. Also, there is no correct way to enslave someone in nature, that is a human concept that shouldn’t exist.
I guess that your free to feel that way but you would be ignoring one of the single biggest differences that separates us from animals. The people who survive aren't always the strongest or fastest. Sometimes they are the smartest who are able to outwit other humans and to overcome natural disasters through protection and planning ahead. You think that we stepped out of our lane and I think that we as the most highly evolved creature on this planet have earned the right to elevate ourselves about the other animals.
If we foolishly abuse the earth and our resources then we will most likely pay the price in some way or at some point but that is fine, that is the price of being stewards and not being cattle in the big world of nature.
Colion Noir breaks it down pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/embed/NSU9ZvnudFEno he doesn't.
@ChefPapiChulo lol. You have evidence to the contrary, then show it. Or STFU.
He was a vigilante. When vigilantes kill people, they're murderers. he'll spend the majority of his life in prison for what he did.
"But what about the--"
No, it absolutely does not matter what anyone else did, kyle went with that Facebook group of vigilantes looking for a fight, he was just as wrong and should be just as severely punished as anyone would be if it went the other way. If one of the protesters had gotten mad and killed Kyle, they'd be a murderer too and id be saying the same fucking thing about them. So none of this "what about them/but they were wrong too" bullshit. Murder is murder and your going to jail for it.
If the protesters had come to his house and started throwing bricks at HIS windows, then he would acting in self defence and I would've done the same, but that's not what happened. He went looking for the fight. Period.
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Americans are demoralized right now. Some people are suggesting that the goal of the riots, looting, anarchy and violence is to demoralize the American people. CNN and MSNBC either show the violence in a positive light or they intentionally don't report on it. Meanwhile the people who live locally know that the violence hasn't stopped and the destruction continues to intensify. They see the huge disparity between reality and the portrait that the media is portraying.
Anyone who dares to stand up for themselves, their community or their property is attacked by the media and the left. They are labelled as the problem. They are labelled as hate filled racists. Americans are waking up to this and they are fed up. They want this to end and they want to be able to defend themselves and their community
Its a shame that the left doesn't like when people defend themselves and their communities because they are the ones who architected this situation where people are left to decide whether to fight back or become second class citizens ruled by the threat of violence and intimidation.
The 2nd person he killed and the person he shot in the arm are easily both cases of self-defense, and thus morally (and to my knowledge, legally) justified, as the one who was killed was physically assaulting Kyle by stomping on him, and the one who was shot in the arm wasn't shot until he faked a surrender and then attempted to draw his weapon.
However, this all took place after Kyle already killed the 1st person. I don't believe we know exactly what happened during that exchange yet. But assuming Kyle's claims are true--that the 1st person he killed was attempting to enter the property he claimed to be defending, and he had the property owner's permission to defend the property--he was morally in the right, in my personal opinion.
That said, he will be charged with possessing an illegal firearm at the very least because he was underage, and he will also likely be charged for killing the 1st person because, to my knowledge, castle doctrine/stand-your-ground does not allow you to defend property that you yourself don't own with lethal force. But again, I think he is morally in the right because I don't believe in any gun control laws whatsoever, and I think castle doctrine/stand-your-ground should extend to someone who was "hired" to defend someone else's property, and I think verbal request should be enough to constitute a legal contract of employment.
I may be wrong, but I don't believe any reports have shown that the 1st person chased Kyle. I don't think we have any info on the 1st death, but we know that Kyle claimed the 1st person tried to enter the property he was defending. Or am I wrong?
This guy goes into depth on the situation. The least biased person I've found in a while, stating his opinions separate from facts and what's plausible and unlikely.
https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE
Colion is great.
Get that kid a fucking cape! Im sick of the media manipulating America's retarded population. That guy with his biceps blown off gets a photo on CNN where they cropped the glock in his hand out of the picture. Do they mention that he's not allowed to posess firearms? No. They actually did acknowledge that he's a pedophile, but said that his acts of heroism far outstrip any past wrongdoings. What. The. Fuck. The democrats are demonizing the police while worshipping violent and sexual criminals. But are the democrats brainwashed? Nawwww they're so fucking woke that they yell at black people who don't believe that they are opressed and try to convince them that they are. They attack people who say #SaveTheChildren and say that child trafficking is an exaggerated issue but believe that black people are being systematically killed by the government. They say that people who think the China Virus is a political hoax are conspiracy theorists and need to take off their tinfoil hats - meanwhile they ironically moan daily about Russia-gate as if there was ever any evidence to support it while they wear cloth masks alone in their cars to protect themselves from a virus. The left is often accused of having gone insane but the truth is they are just flat out stupid. Copy and pasted from another thread for your enjoyment
I can't see anything wrong with what he did. At all. Even being a minor who was carrying a weapon. Who cares that he was 17? Does that really matter? If he was black and defended himself against a bunch of racists trying to lynch him, would people want him thrown in jail for being a minor with a weapon? Absolutely not. Well, other racists who think he should have just let them kill him would, but I'd applaud him for doing the world a favor. If it had been a 17yo girl being chased down by a rapist, I'd applaud her (but rapists would see it as unfair and wasn't her locked up).
The only reason the folks who are calling for his head have a problem with what he did is because they're on the side of the criminals who were chasing him down. Him being 17 is just a circumstance.
I do. Kill them all. No rapists = no rapes. We like to say that all human life has value, but I disagree. Some humans are not only worthless, they're destructive and a detriment to people around them. Killing rapists improves society exponentially.
It’s a clear case of self defense, but The BLM and ANTIFA try to spin everything because they are degenerate liars. You just have to beat them into the ground until they stop being assholes… None of them has a spine. They try to mob and kill innocent people 100 to 1 every day. When they have stand tall against an average man they get knocked the fuck out. Imagine if they had to fight some big boys…
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3-3zJ2B-J5oWell for one he’s an idiot for being 17 with a gun, but he was justified in self defense.
In the state of which it happened possession of a firearm while underage is only a misdemeanor.
In the videos I’ve seen, he’s in the right. But he could have done better in getting away from the violence to avoid the groupthink crowd, which resulted in the second kill.
But in situations like this it’s best not to approach someone or try to harm someone with a weapon that could drop you in a second. The attackers had it coming.
I mean common sense right? Don’t bring a skateboard to a gun fight...
His name is Kyle Rittenhouse. I agree that he anticipated being assaulted. I agree that he drew the foul by walking down the middle of the street, armed. But if the "peaceful protesters" did not have to attack him, they would not have died. They could have just let him walk through, yelling at him, ridiculing him and insulting him and nothing would have happened. Both of the attackers who were killed had the choice to the last second to not attack and to walk away. This was self defense and there will be much more like it. Many more Antifa/BLM attackers are going to get themselves KYLED. Mark my words. We have been waiting for this day.
We are witnessing chaos and trying to make sense of it in our heads. At first I thought that he was walking down the street but I no longer thank that is what he was doing. He was guarding a car dealer and someone came at him and he shot them. Then antifa mob chased him out of there. I think that when we see him walking down the street it was after the mob went after him at the dealership. Watch Colion's video
I think it says a lot that you can shoot three communists at random and hit a pedophile, a rapist, and a burglar. And all three of them happen to be Jewish, when Jews make up less than 2% of the population.
@JimboGB No, he really is full of shit, on purpose.
"I'm from /pol/ on 4chan. All the cool kids go there. ... if our propaganda wasn't based on the truth about how Jews are and how Jews act, just like the way you're acting right now, then nobody would see the humor in it no matter how lulzy it was.
You can defeat all our propaganda really easily and take 100% of the wind out of our sails, just stop acting like such Kikes"
Trump threatens to shut down Twitter for fact-checking him. Your thoughts? ↗
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He has an easy self-defense case to make, but I have some questions in regards to the guy who filmed it all, because the cameraman's movement and tracking technique was more akin to a combat photographer than some random witness, which makes me wonder if someone was set up. However, while he will all but certainly get off on the grossly inflated "murder" charge, there's about a 0% chance he won't be punished on account of the weapon possession and possibly other relatively minor offenses.
I would also have some strong words to say to whoever is in charge of the pseudo-vigilante-EMT group he's part of for letting a 17yr old armed or otherwise work alone. That is atrociously poor leadership and a non-existent demonstration of common sense.
It is a question of legality. The federal government considers someone a minor until their 18th birthday, and while someone has to be 18 to purchase a rifle in almost all US states (federal law sets 18 as the minimum age for this), several of them have different laws regarding possession and ownership. Most states do not have a minimum age for possession (allowing for inheritance or a parent buying it for them), but Illinois (where he is a resident) has the strictest law at 21 years of age, and the state of Wisconsin is set at 18. This means he's pretty much certainly going to have to plead guilty to being illegally in possession of the weapon, and there's a good chance that whoever he got it from (even if a parent) will be facing legal action as well.
He is in the wrong u shouldn't run around killing people just because and that dosent matter with whoever they are i can't belive im saying this but let the pigs do their job and arrest the people like those who got shot for whatever they did instead of people killing em
Whoops... meant to vote c instead of d...
He could've stayed home and avoided all of this. I think you bring a gun to something like that it's because you want to shoot somebody deep down.
I don't feel bad for the deceased one bit, and I find it amusing that it exposes what kind of people "BLM protesters" are. Bunch of scum pretending to be some sort of revolutionaries.
Wait... I did mean D lol.
I know technically he broke some laws... possibly? But I don't think he's a murderer, which is more important than the misdemeanors.
But yeah, I think the smart thing to do is just stay home. I don't see why it's his obligation to defend the car dealership or administer medical aid. I feel like he's more obligated to protect himself if anything.
Eh, but I feel like it's the business' job to protect themselves, as they're the ones with something at stake. The businesses are a key part of the community, and they're quite inactive when it comes to protecting themselves and disavowing rioters. Part of being American is being able to defend yourself and your property. No looter, vandal, or arsonist should go without the fear of getting shot in the face, and it is the person who is being victimized that should instill this fear.
I hear what you're saying. Did you watch Colion's video which walks through the events as are publicly available at the moment? This guy walks through everything from a legal perspective (I believe that he is a lawyer). It was informative to me
@SuccessfulHornDog Yeah, I watched it, I don't particularly remember the details though.
Should've stayed home, yes. His attitude is akin to the (other) school kids who know exactly how much they're allowed to get away with. This one, though, started by breaking the law before he fired a single shot, so he killed two people while committing a crime.
Personally, I don't think "the unarmed guy I killed was trying to stop me pointing my gun at him" should have much impact, but I am not American.
At the moment, I get the feeling the cops weren't doing anything because they'd abdicated responsibility to the militia vigilanties, and that's not right. You can see the result of that in Portland.
Would there even have been protests/riots, if the policeman had immediately been charged with a crime?
Would an unarmed 17 year old have put themselves in that position? Even if they had, would the reaction to someone with a fire extinguisher been the same if he hadn't a gun?
Could a black man, who had just shot two people have walked through police lines, still carrying his warm gun, and driven home?
Defending yourself against a violent angry and armed mob that is trying to murder you while also burning down and destroying peoples homes, businesses and lives is not and will never be wrong.
Here's a joke:
A pedophile, a wife beater, and a coward walk into an AR.
The media looks at them and says "That's disgusting, the man who killed those people is a monster".
Was that the guy screaming Shoot Me N#gger over and over at the guys guarding the car dealership?
Well, he was wrong at least once, one of them survived with only a bullet to the arm.
No, not at all. All charges should be dropped and the man who tried to kill him with his illegally obtained handgun who unfortunately survived should be charged with attempted first degree felony murder
Interesting how three randomly selected "peaceful protesters" all turned out to be criminal scum.
"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." - Those buttheads got what was coming to them. F*ck 'em!
Yes he was wrong because he murdered 2 people with an illegal weapon, but guess what? He’s not getting any form of punishment because he’s White.
He was charged with multiple crimes by the democrat AG (I believe)
His trial was postponed he has not been charged with anything
Things are crazy right now, I saw video of a black AG talking about this. I was under the impression hat he was charged. Did they remove the charges, or maybe I misinterpreted what I saw.
Do you think that the violent Antifa members committing crimes across the country are also immune to prosecution because of their race? Do any black BLM protesters who commit crimes get let off because of their race?
He will get off because he should. Charging him was wrong but it keeps the rioters happy.
The fact that you felt the need to "ask" says a lot about you and your intended goal with posting such a rhetorical question.
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