Haha. You ask a question and then explicitly tell people not to give the correct answer. That makes me think you don't really want an answer to your question but are just trying to spread propaganda.
The virus primarily spreads by human to human contact so it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand that limiting human to human contact as much as possible would greatly limit the spread.
I think the ironic thing about this sad situation we're in is that if Trump had been a real leader and listened to the experts that best understand viruses and early on came out with a statement about the virus being a threat to our country and that it was patriotic to quarantine and wear masks, the majority of his followers would have done it and the virus would have spread a lot less, many fewer people would have died or gotten seriously ill, and the economy (after a serious but probably short hit which was inevitable in the case of a pandemic), would likely be rebounding better by now. If that had happened, Trump would have gotten credit for being a good leader and doing the right thing and might even have an approval rating above 50% for the first time and would likely be on his way to a relatively easy re-election.
Instead, thinking only about himself as he always does, Trump took the approach of "the virus will be bad for the economy and the economy is the centerpiece of my re-election strategy so I'm going to ignore the advice I get and pretend it's nothing to worry about to try to keep the economy going even if it costs a bunch of people their lives." Since he's not a deep thinker or a long term thinker and doesn't believe in science, he didn't realize that in the long run that ostrich approach of sticking his head in the sand (and telling all of his followers to do the same) and hoping that the virus would just magically disappear would do a lot more damage to his reputation and his re-election chances than doing what was best for the country and its citizens.
I don't know if he realizes that even now, but even if he does, he would never admit to being wrong about anything, so he just keeps doubling down on the ostrich approach and trying to pin the blame for the disaster he's made worse than it needed to be on someone else (the Chinese, the liberals, the media, the deep state, or even the few people in his own administration that have tried to do the right thing).
His strategy now seems to be trying to hide the truth about the pandemic and convince people that the facts about it are lies designed to defeat him to cover his tracks for all the things he's done wrong regarding this serious issue. Now, trailing in the polls (which he might not be if he'd done the right thing from the beginning), he's ramping up the lies and misinformation hoping that his true believers that just blindly believe him without doing any critical thinking or fact checking will carry him to victory in November. Time will tell whether that works. For the good of all of us, including Trump's followers, I certainly hope it doesn't.
That’s not the right answer. Even if everyone wore masks you would still get the virus. The virus even found its way to the amazon or something. We can’t live this way. Something has to give.
Well, the US has far more cases than any other country, including countries with larger populations. About 25% of all cases in the world have been in the US even though the US only has about 4% of the world population. So it's very clear that the Trump/Republican/anit-masker approach of pretending it's not a problem is failing miserably.
China, where the virus was first reported, did a major lock down and people really did it and they got things under control relatively quickly and seem to be back a lot closer to normal than the US is.
New Zealand was very strict also for a period of time. I think they didn't even let their own citizens back into the country for a while and they got their cases down to near 0. It was possible.
But in the US there's a large number of people, encouraged by Trump and other Republicans, who think it's too much of a sacrifice to go a month or two without parties and other gatherings and occasionally wearing a mask in order to save the country from a pandemic. Quite interestingly I think, those people call themselves patriots and call the people that are willing to make sacrifices for the good of the country snowflakes.
Ya I’m... we’re one of the highest I argue because of New York and a few other places... New York let the death toll go insane. Apparently 40% of nys death toll was in homes... put them back in the homes he said... also per million were lower than many other places... also important question... what about the riots and protests? These fuckers arnt wearing masks half the time or you think they can’t be the cause? We got 300 dead in Chicago this month alone... what about deaths being caused by democrats in other ways as they egg these people on... also China got it first so they responded first and they hid information from everyone else... China said it was originally not transferable between people... what happens when they reopen and some idiot brings a new case into New Zealand? Also you think every parties republicans?
If you think for a second that China has fewer cases and that millions didn't die , you are a fool
It is serious but being taken unseriously by an unserious people. The media echoing that reality as much as creating it.
For comparison, contrast the current pandemic to the Spanish influenza epidemic of 1918-1919. The Spanish virus infected 500 million people worldwide and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims. This out of a world population at that time of just over 1.6 billion.
By any measure, the world has experienced far worse, with far fewer of the economic resources and scientific and technological innovations that it has today. That there is reason to be concerned and prudent is undoubted.
By contrast, shutting the economy down in the ephemeral search for a solution is disproportionate. A sensible and sober people realize that not every problem has a solution. Rather, some are just difficulties to be managed. Indeed, it being arguable that the pursuit of a solution may likely cause as many, if not more, problems than it solves.
Then there is the analogy to the nation at war. It is amusing, to say no more, to imagine FDR after Pearl Harbor declaring the nation at war and then telling everyone to sit in their living rooms. The boys who stormed Normandy or Guadalcanal no doubt would have pined for such a war.
The nation, it would seem, cannot pat itself on the back quite enough. Told to stay home, the media obligingly conducts Skype interviews of people quarantined as if being held hostage. If indeed such a thing can be called a quarantine that allows trips to the grocery store and the pharmacy and the dollar store and the post office with abandon.
The inconveniences are real, but hardly unbearable and might be deemed, in a nation of adults, just doing one's civic duty. It being well to recall, as has been well said, that no one deserves a garland for doing their duty.
The problem is serious but, as history has repeatedly shown, manageable. The reaction to it has careened between hysterical fits, overreaction and an insufferable sense of self-congratulation and self-pity. The policy to manage the issue overreaching and apt to produce unintended outcomes at least a calamitous as the immediate problem.
Time for the country to grow-up, get some perspective and put on its' proverbial "big boy pants." Serious it is, but that does not mean it has also not been over-hyped and overplayed. They are not, much as one might wish they were, mutually incompatible.
People are not observing the rules!
It's as plain and simple as this. I work in healthcare and what I see is this, a simple instruction : "we are operating a one way system, at the end of your appointment I will escort you out the building through the back, you will need to sanitise your hands and walk out and turn left and left again to get back to the main road"
Im calm and speak a little slower so they don't miss anything (not patronising slow, clear slow as I speak relatively fast)
Some patients are so anxious they don't hear and make mistakes then get jumpy and apologetic.
Others can be rather ignorant and arrogant and refuse to listen because they think it's nonsense to be told what to do.
Then there are the more reasonable people that say, whether I believe there is a virus or not I will do what I can to prevent the spread. These people are calm and appreciate my clear instructions and even thank me for what I'm doing to help keep them safe.
There are other variations to these behaviours but I outlined the main points within them.
Generally speaking before this pandemic we were already facing a pandemic to many people and so few resources.
There are many people that suffer that don't care about spreading the virus, because they feel oppressed/neglected by society.
Others that are making huge strides in life that begrudge those incapable of providing/contributing something to society the way they do. Human beings are the disease because so many of us are so hateful, unkind, competitive and believe in hierarchy.
Trumps speeches already highlight that and right now he's speaking to a society of people that feel afflicted. Due to a hierarchical mindset regardless of their society wealth.
You are so right. You are a wise woman, Lily. You really get it. I'm impressed.
💯 Agree agree agree
actually the data disproves you. mask use is not correlated with rise in cases or deaths. some high mask use areas are safe and others are the most in danger of all
the 8+ U. S states that never locked down at all have the lowest death rate
@007kingifrit The virus only actually killed 6% of the 200,000 people here. Hospitals get funds if they say the virus killed them.. Typical liberal crap.
@007kingifrit I think you posted this on the wrong reply. I don't think I discussed masks. I spoke about general compliance regardless of what's being presented to people
Yes.
From the history of humankind until today we have overcome many nightmares and been able to live together. This pandemic is total bullshit.
This self isolation is the biggest test, we humans were made to live together and it’s already hard to be single and have a successful career and this pandemic took that away jobs, lives and the simple act of socializing.
If you don’t know, there’s something bigger happening behind this. The number of deaths is probably normal because many people die everyday, those numbers are just not exposed to us, but with the fake pandemic they are adding c-19 to death certificates, people who never had covid.
They want you to believe in this they are poisoning your head with anxiety, fear, death, disaster and solitude by obligation.
Man made shit.
Literally I’ve got a friend who had it, nothing more than regular cold but a bit stronger. Nobody died from that.
Whatever is on the news is all fake. I don't know how they are able to stage this but they done a great job and fucking our 2020. Government and their allies.
“We” the poor community are just being used, poisoned, brainwashed and nobody cares about us. Is you against the world fr.
"From the history of humankind until today we have overcome many nightmares and been able to live together. This pandemic is total bullshit.*
Humanity went through other pandemics because PEOPLE DIED and the microorganisms couldn't live without the hosts or because PEOPLE DIED AND THE MICROORGANISM MUTATED in a way that caused it to die out
the black death went away after one third of the European population died you walnut.
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Social distancing should be social absence. Standing 6, 8, or 10 feet will not stop the spread. If you are standing 10 feet behind some one in line that is infected. They infected that air space. Once you walk through it you are infected mask or not. It is in your hair, clothes and skin. It can live on surfaces any where between a couple of hours to 48 hours. So your mask might help you not get sick but you are spreading it to all the morons that aren't wearing a mask or they have their nose exposed. Wearing a mask but leaving the nose exposed is like using a condom with the tip cut off. Bottom line social distancing is worthless. Masks help more than they hurt. One person can infect a hundred people. Then each one of those hundred people can infect another hundred people. The worst thing is a person that is asymptomatic can catch it and spread it like wildfire because they don't get sick. The strand that came out of China has mutated like 10 times. The vaccine they were working on is for that strand. People need to stop being stupid and wise up so life can get back to some sort of normalcy.
How would you feel is someone close to you did get the virus and ended up dying from it? Would it have a negative effect on you and others you are close to in your life? After thinking about those questions ask yourself this, Do you want to chance that happening?
One of the biggest issues is people tend to not think something is serious tell it hits close to home. This way of thinking can create major issues for themselves and others around them. I could sit here and type up a massive list of issues and the consequences of them that are caused by people having a mind set that boils down to its not an issue tell it effects me. The funny thing is that many issues in those peoples life are created by others with the same mindset.
Also leave the political bs out of it and remove politics from the equation so think for yourself. Politics breeds people that won't or can't think for themselves. It is also a breeding ground for group think. There are countless examples through out human history of how destructive people not thinking for themselves can be. There are also countless examples of people in positions of power using group think to blind people to what they are doing. The only sure way to stop both and ensure neither happen is having the majority of people in a given country think for themselves and question everything.
That's about as fvcking stupid as saying "If seat belts and driving tests work so well, then why are road deaths and accidents still happening?"
Trump IS the government, and has less intelligence than a goldfish. Which is why he and his hicks made such a mess of the pandemic, the economy and the protests.
The reason people continue to get sick is that the virus is spreading and mutating. Hence making a vaccine more difficult. The main problem is not just the deaths caused by the virus, but the fact it can make thousands sick at a time, and cause long term medical problems, even in those that had a mild illness.
The virus is novel in that it attacks nearly all cells it comes across. Where ones like influenza attack only respiratory cells, or Ebola the autoimmune cells. Corona will cleave a path through the system. In young kids it probably won't express much as most of the cells are growing and replicating anyway. But in adults and elderly most of the growth is slow and thus an attack is going to be more widely expressed across the organ.
Whatever the life cycle may eventually be. Science and medicine work by ensuring there is more facts and figures on the ground, than opinions and Facebook posts. Taking precautions will help reduce excess issues to an extent that the problem can be studied as objectively as possible.
People dicking around and secretly doing things contrary to precautions is going to mess a lot of data and procedure up.
actually no trump is not the government, we are not a dictatorship. the 10th amendment says that in a pandemic all states are responsible for their pandemic response. the feds do not have any say. the governors are responsible for that... not trump
the chinese virus only kills 3 of every 1000 people who get it
Honestly in the beginning I took things very seriously, I followed all of the rules and precautions. I would have believed that the reason things weren't getting better was because of those who weren't wearing masks. But things are getting ridiculous at this point, it's hard not to believe that things aren't political. There's so much conflicting information and who knows how much of it is true? States have admitted to exaggerating the number of cases and people have gotten false positives.
I am anxious to see what November brings.
U can always look to what other countries are doing to see what works. Here in Australia we have closed borders between states for MONTHS now, strict lock down as soon as a spike is seen, we take hygiene and masks seriously even now with only 7-10 new cases a day in my state out of 8 million people. Only 600 deaths in the whole country.
@talulahbee Exactly how it should be done. In America state borders are open and every state has different regulations.
@goaded exaggerations happen all the time www.ktvu.com/.../colorado-makes-stunning-announcement-says-fewer-have-died-of-covid-19-than-previously-reported
www.conservativereview.com/.../
new CDC figures show only 6% of deaths or 9,000 were from the virus itself
@007kingifrit Why do I doubt that? Oh, yes, lies and propaganda. Perhaps you mean "from the virus alone"? Maybe you can provide a link to that?
The Colorado link was from mid-May, tomorrow is September. The other link, about Florida, is just taking issue with one particular article in the press; the article the author praises, finds higher numbers than www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/ .
@goaded here is the link. its an official statement from the cdc, only 6% of covid deaths were actually from covid alone www.ibtimes.com/cdc-finds-only-6-coronavirus-deaths-are-solely-covid-19-3037136
@007kingifrit I thought so: "from covid alone" is not the same thing as "from the virus itself", so that's the lie.
And the propaganda is pretending that it makes the slightest difference to the number of people who died of the disease.
Every other country counts their death toll in pretty much the same way, and most of them are doing much better than the US. The EU is doing 10x better, despite also having people lie about the facts.
Good news, by the way, the USA is now in 11th-worst place for deaths per million (Brazil's overtaken you).
@007kingifrit No it's not. For example, you can die with acute respiratory distress syndrome, or heart disease, brought on by COVID-19. These aren't all things that people had before they caught the disease. And, even if they had them, they're still dead (and a lot of people are seriously damaged by the disease, even if they don't die).
en.wikipedia.org/.../COVID-19
And the people who are critically ill with other diseases who caught covid which brought on their death even though technically they also had cancer or whatever
@007kingifrit I know that's what you and Trump are trying to pretend, but it's not true. They're all deaths from covid. All 187,227 of them (566 per million).
Here's another indication of how badly the US has done: 50% of American victims died since mid-May. That period claimed 20% of UK fatalities, 14% in the EU. (Australia doesn't do so well by that metric, bacause it got there later, but their total death toll is just 600.)
You liberals feel, you vote on feelings and emotions. So if Biden wins (that is a big if) , because he feels , the virus will be gone forever.
@888theGreat Oh, rubbish. Firstly, it's not a study, it's a weekly report that's been saying more or less the same thing since at least May (example, below). The right wing have just this week decided to misinterpret it for propaganda purposes, because the truth makes them look terrible.
It's ironic how little Republicans care about a thousand Americans a day dying from this managable disease, compared to all the fuss about four deaths in Benghazi. Or the 4,000 deaths no-one saw coming on 9/11.
www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
From May:
web.archive.org/.../index.htm
" Table 4 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups..."
It's more of a litmus for world government. Those that wear mask outside or in their cars are compliant with the world government and are slaves to the media, those that don't wear it outside or in their cars are not compliant and are resistant. If a private business wants you to, it's no different than wearing a tie, shirt, or shoes, but you don't have to buy from them if you don't want to. I don't wear a mask outside, because it is unnecessary. Over 40% are nursing home deaths and 25% are misfiled under Covid, we won't realize just how much we were duped until next year. It looks more like the Flu everyday. The world government doesn't want Trump, so they are fighting as hard as they can to stop him.
I could jerk off to this answer. That’s how much I fucking love it. I don’t like trump and I don’t hate him either. He’s just there 🤷🏽♂️
Why not say " because not everyone is following the rules"?
This is only true, we got people celebrating huge parties with lots of people even though they are know as super spreader events.
We got people not wearing masks in public.
We got people not keeping distance.
...
This is how the virus can still spread and this is 100% against the rules that government, WHO, CDC, ... and all other institutions advice.
In the US you also got a really late reaction and realization that these measurements are needed, so more people got the virus in the first place and more people can spread it.
Trump comment set aside I don't bother with politics on social media.
I don't think we're having an overreaction I think we're having an underreaction right now at least in my area
We are seeing spikes again. I think people got too overexcited at seeing the numbers drop and then of course with the warm weather they want to be out. Some people we're just tired of being locked away and got careless.
It will work out in the end. With time things will settle down we just have to be patient and do our best to stay safe. All we can do is just make sure we're doing the best we can do everyday and we act responsibly. We can't control what anyone else is doing only our own actions.
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The CDC just came out and said only 6% of deaths were “just” from covid. All others were people with at least two comorbidities, and 56% were over 75.
In addition it’s now being reported that the covid tests are too sensitive so 90% of the positive tests came from people with not enough of the virus to infect others.
The time of being patient is over.
@joeldalton
All I know is that having COVID19 sucks having it sucks being hospitalized for it sucks and trying to recuperate from it is excruciating it's something I never want to go through again
What also sucks is losing an Aunt that was in a nursing home and unable to see her and unable to be there for her last moments of her life. That hurt a lot
I don't have an opinion on what everyone is saying right now about real news fake news I just know what happened to us and what happened to us sucked and it hurt I can't tell you about the other people whether they had it or not whether the test were well done or not I can't even tell you about the other deaths I just know what happened to my family.
It didn’t really suck that bad when I had it. Everyone’s bout is different.
@meetkitty123- everyone will be shocked how much the pandem8c subsides after the election. It’s hard to really know the truth, as long as both sides keep it so politicized. The left wants it yo remain, for us to remain scared shitless, bc they want the control to run our lives. That’s the goal of the democrats- they are power mad. Anything, and I mean anything, is ok, as long as it helps them gain power, to bring down our nation, and destroy it from within.
The measures exist to slow down the spread. The virus spreads due to human contact even if there are masks and other things (masks just slow it down). Also, viruses spread in households because families typically take less distance.
The point of quarantine measures is to prevent infected people from infecting other people in completely different places who could then infect more people.
If you infect people in your household and that household is quarantined, not much happens.
If you infect a bunch of people at the supermarket, they then infect their own households who could then infect more people. Remember, most people tend to be asymptomatic so even if infected they won’t notice. Hence, people tested positively need to quarantine.
And yes, people get sick because it’s a new virus. Also, immune systems are not equally good for all.
It took a while for people to realise it could be transmitted by aerosol, essentially a mask prevents big droplets from landing on surfaces and other people most masks will block around 70% but the remaining 30% goes around the sides of the mask. This is why there are guidelines for how many people can be inside to prevent aerosol transmission.
Oh and most people needed to be aware of wearing glasses as it can be contracted through eyes as well.
There was some interesting research done by Dr Donald Milton, with his gesundheit machine.
Just be as safe as you can washing hands, not touching face or eyes, keeping distance. Minimise the risks as much as you can.
Who knows I thought we were supposed to lock down get the hospitals with all their supplies and then open it back up
I think people have to decide if they want to get on with life are they going to spend the rest of it lockdown because I guess now we're finding out that somebody that had the virus has gotten it again now so given that and half the people wouldn't take a vaccine if we had one it's either live with a mask on her STL high for her let the virus work its way out I'm not sure if that's good or bad but if we crash the country think we're going to be really hurting
yes that's right we were supposed to "flatten the curve" not "lockdown until its gone" they switched the narrative on me
That's ridiculous. Masks and other measures can work; Europe has a tenth of the number of new cases and deaths per capita of the United States' at the moment. I'll leave it up to you to come up with a reason why.
0.3 deaths per million compared to 2.8 in the US.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-14..latest&country=OWID_WRL~USA~BRA~EU~EuropeanUnion~GBR&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
Yup. In Australia we take it all very seriously and lock down at any sign of a spike. In my state there are only 7-10 new cases a day (population 8 million) and most places there are signs up everywhere to wear masks and socially distance. people don't bring politics into it, it's life or death, exactly why there are only 600 deaths in all of Australia even after a big spike in Victoria.
It's not all that hard to manage it, but the right wing worldwide wants people scared, because scared people vote for authoritarians.
At least one mother travelled to Berlin to protest (unsafely) at the weekend because she believed that, if your child is sick, you have to leave them alone in their room, and if you don't, they'll take your child from you. I'm sure she didn't come up with that idea by herself; someone told her that, and that's disgusting.
It's all of a piece with the burning cities narrative in the states.
actually the right wing is telling people it isn't a big deal and to calm down sooooo its the left trying to promote authoriatarianism by telling people to be scared of the virus
@talulahbee australia is an island, not a global economic center with air traffic, and has a different strain of the virus than america does. not a valid comparison
@007kingifrit The right wing is lying about it not being a big deal; it's killing about the same as two or three Boeing 747's crashing every day. In normal times, people would be working together to deal with the pandemic, but McConnell won't even bring bills up for debate.
They're also lying about practically everything else, stirring up trouble, and shooting people, particularly law enforcement officers and protesters against authoritarianism.
I’m an American living in Tokyo, and we have very low Corona cases here despite our crowded cities and high population. Every citizen wears a mask.
Whereas America has more cases than any country because they think “corona is just a cold” and because Trump fired the team that was supposed to be handling this. It’s embarrassing really. Wear a mask people.
@gotc147 okay, lets put it this way, I'm originally from Kansas.
Kansas has a population of 2.913 million people, Tokyo has a population of 9.273 million.
Kansas has had a total of 41,909 cases, Tokyo has had a total of 20,569.
Kansas is 213,100 km², Tokyo is 2,194 km²...
Despite over 3 times the population and a VASTLY BIGGER STATE, Kansas has had DOUBLE the amount of cases.
Do you not see an issue here? Wear. A. Mask.
Per capita, which is the appropriate way to measure this, we do not have the most cases, several European countries have more.
Plus, you are apparently believing the official numbers from China and Russia, which is absurd.
Most of our hotspots are in heavily Democrat areas, where mask compliance is high.
We are also doing testing on a scale larger than any other country.
There is a lot more to this than raw case numbers.
Some people are almost immune. Maybe the Japs have special system
US tested more than all the countries in the world combined. They have it , no test to prove it
I hate when gag does that, you write until there isn't any free space, gag says there ther is no space, and in the second after, all I wrote is gone
Short answer...
Thats exactly the answer
People are dumb, most governments even dumber because they believe the propaganda they feed their own population...
Far right got highest infection rates, far left are some covid free states...
There are even a mask test with a fire or pee and still the people are too dumb to understand...
Maybe we should also talk about needed jobs, but yes, we're already clapped for them so payment stays the lowest you can get... while big companies pay themself millions with our tax money and still fire thousands
I'm not gonna spend the rest of my life locked up inside and away from the people I love and want to spend time with. Let me get sick if I get sick, and if I die that's on me. Survival of the fittest. If I'm not fit to survive, too bad.
You want to see the people you Love.
You could also be the one putting them into grave because you visit them while being infected.
But survival of the fittest huh🤦♂️
How about being not so selfish and realizing that there are others that could very well possibly die from your lack of covid precaution? Just because you’re apparently A O. K. With dying doesn’t mean people with compromised immune systems want to die... shouldn’t have to be a game of survival of the fittest. Just do what the CDC says and wait it out. You’re thinking in a very selfish manner.
@Lizzzzz288283 there’s no waiting it out, don’t you get it? Herd immunity is the way to go. I wear my mask when I’m around other people and I’m not being stupid, I’m careful to do what I can not to spread it. But I can’t have that include me staying holed up inside avoiding people any longer. Obviously quarantine didn’t work. New Zealand got sick again. So I’ll slap on a mask and go about my normal life, as everyone should. The world crumbles when we let essential things shut down.
it never will go away if people don't stop just will kill anyone who gets sick old or has a bad accident why do u want that, quarantine only don't work when people sneak into a area that is clean of it or travel to it and they have it, you don't even know enough to have a opinion on it. What is going to happen will be forced and real quarentine if it keeps going
When I mean normal I mean normal - touching, hugging, kissing, shaking hands, standing close without the other person acting as if your a leper
@Jenson_Dior Heavy smoking is more of a danger of killing them then the Chinese Virus
@Jenson_Dior that's acceptable. life is worth risking other people's lives for
@Lizzzzz288283 Living is not selfishness
@888theGreat Smoking is not part of the topic. Read the question. And then stop heavy smoking too. Easy as that.
@007kingifrit Same I heard from a colleague in Italy until his wife died of COVIS, then he cried like a baby.
But go for it champ.
@Jenson_Dior only 3 out of every 1000 people die, so that's pretty unlikely especially since the average age of death is 80
you're just a pussy
@007kingifrit
Instead of you I'm intelligent.
Why do you think in major EU countries the death rate is much lower than US/Brasil and India.
Because we do what is needed to reduce the infection rate.
The reason why the numbers are so high in US and Brasil is due to the fact that the dumb people (def. including you) think they are smart and have not to carry mask and follow specific rules.
If everyone act like you infection rate would go parabolic.
Congrats, peaople die because of your stupidity.
Furthermore it is not yet identified the longterm health issues to your organs if you once had it.
This proofs you are just not educated and have no sense how to act in society.
If you are so tough go and catch the virus and hug your parents and elder friends.
Would have been better your father wanked against the train in the 10 min he was bored. Would have saved us some trouble...
@888thegreat exactly my point. Living isn’t selfish. The people with compromised immune systems want to live through covid. This whole “survival of the fittest” statement IS selfish.
@Lizzzzz288283 The people with compromised immune systems can self-isolate/quarantine if they want, keep themselves safe. In that case, their "adaptation" of of staying away from other people to keep themselves safe would make them more fit for survival. However, those of us who are not concerned about other health problems should be allowed to make our own choices and live our lives normally. We can all be respectful to each other, but no need to control everyone. Just like if someone is allergic to peanuts: they will avoid peanuts, to keep themselves safe; they wouldn't walk into a peanut factory. Those of us who are not allergic to peanuts can continue to eat them. If we know we are going to be around these people who are allergic, we can avoid eating peanuts for a day so we don't expose them.
@Lizzzzz288283 CDC have their fingers up their butts. They didn't know anything from the start. Wear a mask , don't wear a mask, wear a mask. Stay 2 feet away, stay 6 feet , maybe 10 feet , just stay home.
@Jenson_Dior the death rate is actually higher in many european countries. and the mortality rate certainly is. america has the lowest mortality rate which is what really matters
plus Europe isn't the travel hub of the world and doesn't get pandemics as hard as america does
In other words you can't handle the truth and would prefer some bullshit. We know how Covid-19 spreads. Many cases have been traced to events where people gathered without wearing masks. The University called students back to campus, they partied like it was 2019, and now 1000 are infected.
And ur point is. Infection is inevitable. We need to live life🤷🏽♂️
The masks are making it worse. And causing other problems. When cities fill fine you for singing hymns in your own car all by yourself at a drive-in church service, or will jail you for wailing outside a synagogue even with a mask on, but Muslims can ignore all the rules and do as they please, along with BLM, Antifa, ISIS, MS13, etc., then you know it has nothing to do with health. It's a coup.
If mask work so well then why are people still getting sick?
That's like saying if seat belts work so well why do you need air bags.
Nothing is full proof. A mask is meant to slow down transmission but it doesn't eradicate the virus. Also, look at the number of people who get sick in states where mask compliance is low (Florida and Texas) compared to states where mask compliance is high
The measures in the US were to little too late. People STILL don’t follow the guidelines. Hand washing, masks, distance, mixing households, large gatherings. People having covid parties!
I do my bit, and wear a mask to protect you lot. Be nice if everyone else thought the same.
u Yes. As I've said many times before, we have massively... MASSIVELY overreacted to this. At this point, unless I see irrefutable evidence to prove otherwise, it's pretty obvious that the Democrats have been playing politics with this whole stupid thing.
Lap that’s exactly why people not following the rules... riots and protests... debates... election year... people are tired of being locked up...
And yes this is a political virus... even if he’s lying Trump says we’re close to a cure... he’s either bringing Hope or he’s bringing a cure.
Agreed. Most of these rules aren't preventing people from getting sick. People who are scared of covid need to stay home and let everyone else who is willing to go out be allowed to without having to follow stupid rules.
Some of them made sense early on when very little was known, but within a month the CDC was already debunking most of the measures including as ineffective. For various (political) reasons however, a lot of the most ridiculous requirements passed by state and local governments came even later, which is probably why several governors are now facing legal action by their state legislatures.
They’re def not an overreaction when people have died from COVID and others have experienced irreversible heart issues and lung damage
It is fair to assume that most if not everyone will get this virus eventually. The precautions are there to slow its advance down so the medical services can cope with the worst cases, and to give science a chance to catch up.
yes they absolutely are. just google up the PCR test they use to claim that people have corona. it's not even ratified for diagnostic purposes. it can not indicate an ongoing infection.
there's just so many layers of bullshit in this entire corona reaction. and the scariest thing is that it's most western nations... not just one.
Because not everyone is doing it right. People touch their face all the time, so masks don't work if you are in the prescence of the virus. If you'd want everyone to be completely safe from the virus; people should be walking around in hazmat suits or some shit like that.
Not at all. I’ve actually had to go to Montana and North Dakota, and the restrictions in those states are very very lenient. People didn’t have to wear a mask and weren’t 6 feet apart, let alone staying at home.
So it’s not only not everyone is following the rules, but that also some states are very lenient with their restrictions. And when people can easily travel across state lines easily, America is only as good as it’s worst state.
To answer the question... Yes. The agenda is about govt CONTROL over the people, not about safety and health. Very few people are getting seriously sick, and almost nobody is dying. Masks should only be worn by SICK people, not healthy ones. People are using the terms "sham-demic" and "scam-demic" for good reasons.
Countries that locked things down and took shit seriously have few cases (like less than 15 a day)... Countries that don't do that /didn't do it soon enough / have politics that try to hijack the medical facts are the ones going crazy.
you have everything provided for you , but if some people don't work , they starve
Not sure what that has to do with it? That's the same for everyone tho our governed paths $1200 a fortnight to people out of work during covid and they created "JobKeeper" incentive to keep businesses employing people who aren't needed at work... Perks of having a country that looks after its people!
That is why 30 million or more have no job now. People that never have run a business say this
Still not sure what your point is... Of course I don't own a business I'm 16. Both my parents run businesses... They are being held up by the government, so are their employees, while we wait for covid to improve here (tho most businesses are returning to normal now).
It's not just an overreaction, it's a despicable violation of basic human rights.
@connythebaker Forming a voluntary contract to work and earn money is a human right. During this time it's irresponsible to continue to do so if it's a high-risk job. However, it's not the place of the government to force everyone to be responsible. That's an individual choice that people need to make.
Okay, I can respect that. I used to like ayn rand back in the day. I will support your case for dropping those restrictions if you support mine for my human right to accept money from strangers for sex in the US (it is a voluntary contract) and for any drugs to be available without prescription (recreational or not - my choice whether I act responsible or not). I also want the 1986 gun-ban lifted, the 2nd ammendment does not contain a single word about fully automatics to be banned.
@connythebaker Yeah, I already agree with all of that.
But.. that's a false dichotomy on top of a nirvana fallacy.
There's so many people not following safety guidelines, literally 45-50% from my observations. You can't just dismiss that because you don't feel it's important.
There is obviously something fishy a out this
Because I am in california and everyday the increase in deaths and cases is increasing and I have yet to know someone personally who has died, let alone contracted the virus lol
It was a allowed test run they assumed it wouldn't kill so let people decide what to do, see if they can listen to the facts and behave correctly not nowhere neat enough did next time it will be a forced and real quarentine as healthy people will spread and kill outhers even protest it's sick they did that.
What?
The government, businesses, and the people are to blame due to selfishness, greed, and just plain ignorance. Almost 200k people have lost their lives and yet people still think it's a game. What part of this is funny?
The majority of the people dying are people that were already in the process of dying, people with cancer, diseases, heart conditions and so on... only about 0.06% of healthy people have been affected, the media makes it seem like it’s a dangerous virus that’s going to kill everybody, but the truth is it’s not, it only kills those that are extremely unhealthy. Even DOCTORS are saying this... including DOCTORS from CHINA...
The media is publicizing the Virus for political leverage against trump, just like how they are using BLM for their Marxist political agenda.
The FLU kills more people a week than COVID-19 does in 5 months.
Watch every non mainstream media network that has ever existed on this planet...
Oh and get triggered please.
I have more than what you have, prove you’re side, you can’t.
Um how is it a claim when it’s fact?
Covid sure seems to exist only when there’s a trump rally or trump protest, but not when the far left and cuckhold liberal left destroy cities and “peacefully” protest.
The people that are dying from covid are those that were already in the process of dying, how come the weekly and monthly and yearly rates of other medical related deaths have dropped? And covid-19 deaths have risen? How does that even happen?
Fred dies of a motorcycle accident but he had covid so they write it off as a covid death so the hospital can cash a bonus $600.00 from the Covid-19 patient relief fund.
https://youtu.be/75uwKcD3dv4 this is the far left, this is the party you back, you’re opinion doesn’t matter.
You’re a man behind the cover as a “woman” on this website, to gain more attention for your outrageous Ego, change my mind.
Lol the CDC? Ahahahahhahahaha they are not a reliable source for anything whatsoever, that’s like saying the FDA is reliable... LOL be gone sheep
Wonder how reputable source like the CDC is when they torture animals and they experiment on humans at Plum island, yeah let’s just trust those guys for information. Be gone kid
Man you made me laugh, thanks for that, changed my whole day!
I don't get why this keeps coming back to making Trump look bad. Do people not realize that this is global? Are people wearing masks and lockdowns in other countries making Trump look bad? Only in America would health be politicised so much.
It's better to overreact than not react enough. Years from now, we can debate if we overreacted. We will know if we don't react enough. People will drop like flies.
Because a lot of people hate to follow rules and ask/told to do something. They believe if it is told/on YouTube, social media, news, internet new, etc them it is true. We pick up something that is less creditable then true facts.
Sorry about the mistakes in English
Right! Those goddamn government bastards want you to all suffocate under your masks so you cannot vote for Trump who is currently... the head of government? Waaait a minute...
Trump is not the emporer. He's not the one politicizing this horse shit virus
@TienShenhan He is the head of government. He can dismiss any other member of government at any time. How can his own crew work against him? Why would they even want to?
You really haven't the slightest clue what is going on. The establishment hates Trump, they have worked against him since day 1, and the purpose of these shutdowns is to make him look bad so they can install an establishment president again to undo what he is done. They wanted Hillary to be president so they can have their war with Russia, hence the Russia-gate conspiracy that has no basis in reality. Why would they work against him you ask? Because he will not be controlled by the Deepstate, which is why the smear campaign they started against him in 2016 is still in affect DAILY
@TienShenhan The establishment is not the government, but nvm. I think I see what you mean by "deep state". Looks like Trump can only count on his most loyal supporters then, if he is ever to be treated in a just way. Better buy another AR-15 and some 30 clips, just in case... After all a situation like that was what the 2nd ammendment was written for, wasn't it?
New. If people work a mask and followed social distancing most places can open.
This shouldn’t be the new normal. This is a joke. It’s inconvenient and stupid and doesn’t work
No there’s gonna be a new norm... covid will be around killing elderly people for ever. Maybe we can reduce it to flu like symptoms and get rid of the death toll but life will change for elderly people. Even with a cure. I’ve heard it’s mutated many times and if so we prob can’t cure it we’ll just have to live safe...
Smh agreeeeed
@VanillaSalt yea but not with all of these bull shit things that are put in place
The shutdowns will change. They will lock up old people and limit access. Families will be split. To prevent spread buildings will hold less people so they will charge more for product... jobs will cost more to employ people so fewer jobs probably paying less.
Or after Nov it might just fucking disappear...
@VanillaSalt agreed
You can't make any money with 2 people inside building. You can't eat outside in winter
Because not everyone is following the rules.
Sorry; I don't care if you don't want to hear it. The truth is inconvenient sometimes.
Yes, I have seen where actually on 6% of deaths from Virus were actually from the Virus. Again it is liberals using fake stats to scare people. A lot of the people would have died anyway. Many people die every day , way before any virus.
Because covid is a scam. And its so obvious too. This is a major psyop and far too many people are fast asleep to see it.
Well it’s because the answer is, not everyone is following the rules. Not everyone is being careful enough.
yes, the virus only kills 3 in 1000 people who get it. the average age of death is 80
if you are worried about the wellbeing of the elderly fine, they should be inquarantine not all of us
No, in the US we should up the ante and impose mask laws ASAP. The Sturgis motorcycle rally proved that.
Or we could just not give a fuck and let people live their lives. Trying to force people to adopt ineffective measures to try to avoid a disease that if it exists is unavoidable is stupid, arbitrary and capricious
Because experts are wrong🤷🏽♂️
Keep telling yourself that you Dr. Fauci lover
I have been living my life. I only use used masks from myself and haven’t gotten sick 🤷🏽♂️
that's illegal you can't make people wear masks
@007kingifrit Like seatbelts?
not the same at all
@007kingifrit how so?
Are you kidding me? I know several people who have died from Covid. This could have, and should have, been handled so much better by our fearless leader.
Probably
When you let people protest and riot in the streets, you can’t tell a business it can’t open. This is 100% security theater.
Things ccx would be better if our president acted quickly and decisively. He did not. The mask effect does not affect the lack of response.
trump acted very fast and did everything the feds are supposed to do in a pandemic
@007kingifrit Only when it already was a po pandemic. He had the chance to prevent it from becoming one.
No. People are dumb. Too much used to doing same routines over and over. People literally can't not drop there habits. And chaos from it causes lots of definate uncertainty.
It is because not everyone is following the rules. in fact, the majority are not.
Because people dont really take the necessary actions not really
where is your evidence that people aren't taking the steps suggested? most people are wearing masks and social distancing. and there is no correlation between % of mask use and death rates
@007kingifrit where is your evidence?
If a fart can be smelled through 2 layers of clothing, a thin fabric mask is not doing anything.
The Fart test , yes
My oldest brother's farts are worse than the virus. They could kill you.
No they are not, unless you don't care about dying.
Because everybody is not following the fucking rules.
Not the RULES!!!
It’s all a big ass scam! Open up our country
No, sound reasonable...
Because not everyone is following the rules
200k dead and you think we over reacted?
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