That’s not the right answer. Even if everyone wore masks you would still get the virus. The virus even found its way to the amazon or something. We can’t live this way. Something has to give.
Well, the US has far more cases than any other country, including countries with larger populations. About 25% of all cases in the world have been in the US even though the US only has about 4% of the world population. So it's very clear that the Trump/Republican/anit-masker approach of pretending it's not a problem is failing miserably.China, where the virus was first reported, did a major lock down and people really did it and they got things under control relatively quickly and seem to be back a lot closer to normal than the US is.New Zealand was very strict also for a period of time. I think they didn't even let their own citizens back into the country for a while and they got their cases down to near 0. It was possible.But in the US there's a large number of people, encouraged by Trump and other Republicans, who think it's too much of a sacrifice to go a month or two without parties and other gatherings and occasionally wearing a mask in order to save the country from a pandemic. Quite interestingly I think, those people call themselves patriots and call the people that are willing to make sacrifices for the good of the country snowflakes.
Ya I’m... we’re one of the highest I argue because of New York and a few other places... New York let the death toll go insane. Apparently 40% of nys death toll was in homes... put them back in the homes he said... also per million were lower than many other places... also important question... what about the riots and protests? These fuckers arnt wearing masks half the time or you think they can’t be the cause? We got 300 dead in Chicago this month alone... what about deaths being caused by democrats in other ways as they egg these people on... also China got it first so they responded first and they hid information from everyone else... China said it was originally not transferable between people... what happens when they reopen and some idiot brings a new case into New Zealand? Also you think every parties republicans?
If you think for a second that China has fewer cases and that millions didn't die , you are a fool
You are so right. You are a wise woman, Lily. You really get it. I'm impressed.
💯 Agree agree agree
actually the data disproves you. mask use is not correlated with rise in cases or deaths. some high mask use areas are safe and others are the most in danger of allthe 8+ U. S states that never locked down at all have the lowest death rate
@007kingifrit The virus only actually killed 6% of the 200,000 people here. Hospitals get funds if they say the virus killed them.. Typical liberal crap.
@007kingifrit I think you posted this on the wrong reply. I don't think I discussed masks. I spoke about general compliance regardless of what's being presented to people
"From the history of humankind until today we have overcome many nightmares and been able to live together. This pandemic is total bullshit.*Humanity went through other pandemics because PEOPLE DIED and the microorganisms couldn't live without the hosts or because PEOPLE DIED AND THE MICROORGANISM MUTATED in a way that caused it to die out
the black death went away after one third of the European population died you walnut.
@1truekhalessi I certainly do not care about what you have to say about what I said. Watch yourself before coming here and calling people names girl. Grow upIf you don’t agree shut the fuck up and move on.
@stickysweatsugarThat’s alright, it’s life innit?
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actually no trump is not the government, we are not a dictatorship. the 10th amendment says that in a pandemic all states are responsible for their pandemic response. the feds do not have any say. the governors are responsible for that... not trumpthe chinese virus only kills 3 of every 1000 people who get it
I could jerk off to this answer. That’s how much I fucking love it. I don’t like trump and I don’t hate him either. He’s just there 🤷🏽♂️
U can always look to what other countries are doing to see what works. Here in Australia we have closed borders between states for MONTHS now, strict lock down as soon as a spike is seen, we take hygiene and masks seriously even now with only 7-10 new cases a day in my state out of 8 million people. Only 600 deaths in the whole country.
"States have admitted to exaggerating the number of cases"Have they? Which ones, and when?
@talulahbee Exactly how it should be done. In America state borders are open and every state has different regulations.
@goaded Georgia was reported to have given false information in order to open up earlier, in Florida a scientist was fired for supposedly refusing to lie about the Covid numbers, in Pennsylvania the retracted over 100 deaths from the Covid death toll, just to name a few.
You do understand that the first two were Republicans pretending the numbers were lower than they really were? I've not heard about Pennsylvania, but 100 would have been a 0.13% difference to the figures.
@goaded exaggerations happen all the time www.ktvu.com/.../colorado-makes-stunning-announcement-says-fewer-have-died-of-covid-19-than-previously-reported www.conservativereview.com/.../new CDC figures show only 6% of deaths or 9,000 were from the virus itself
@007kingifrit Why do I doubt that? Oh, yes, lies and propaganda. Perhaps you mean "from the virus alone"? Maybe you can provide a link to that?The Colorado link was from mid-May, tomorrow is September. The other link, about Florida, is just taking issue with one particular article in the press; the article the author praises, finds higher numbers than www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/ .
@goaded here is the link. its an official statement from the cdc, only 6% of covid deaths were actually from covid alone www.ibtimes.com/cdc-finds-only-6-coronavirus-deaths-are-solely-covid-19-3037136
@007kingifrit I thought so: "from covid alone" is not the same thing as "from the virus itself", so that's the lie.And the propaganda is pretending that it makes the slightest difference to the number of people who died of the disease.Every other country counts their death toll in pretty much the same way, and most of them are doing much better than the US. The EU is doing 10x better, despite also having people lie about the facts.Good news, by the way, the USA is now in 11th-worst place for deaths per million (Brazil's overtaken you).
@goaded... those 2 statements are literally synonyms "from covid alone" and "from the virus itself" are synonyms
@007kingifrit No it's not. For example, you can die with acute respiratory distress syndrome, or heart disease, brought on by COVID-19. These aren't all things that people had before they caught the disease. And, even if they had them, they're still dead (and a lot of people are seriously damaged by the disease, even if they don't die).en.wikipedia.org/.../COVID-19
And the people who are critically ill with other diseases who caught covid which brought on their death even though technically they also had cancer or whatever
@goaded nope, that's still just dying from covid, it means 96% of people died from a pre existing condition
@goaded Only 6% of the deaths out of 200,000 was actually the virus , a new study shows. Hospitals say a self inflicted gun shot wound to the head is death via virus, more money that way.
@007kingifrit I know that's what you and Trump are trying to pretend, but it's not true. They're all deaths from covid. All 187,227 of them (566 per million).Here's another indication of how badly the US has done: 50% of American victims died since mid-May. That period claimed 20% of UK fatalities, 14% in the EU. (Australia doesn't do so well by that metric, bacause it got there later, but their total death toll is just 600.)
@888theGreat I've just been through all that. It's nonsense.
@goaded Nope study is out , fact checking. You liberals just look for a crisis every day.
You liberals feel, you vote on feelings and emotions. So if Biden wins (that is a big if) , because he feels , the virus will be gone forever.
@888theGreat Oh, rubbish. Firstly, it's not a study, it's a weekly report that's been saying more or less the same thing since at least May (example, below). The right wing have just this week decided to misinterpret it for propaganda purposes, because the truth makes them look terrible.It's ironic how little Republicans care about a thousand Americans a day dying from this managable disease, compared to all the fuss about four deaths in Benghazi. Or the 4,000 deaths no-one saw coming on 9/11.www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htmFrom May:web.archive.org/.../index.htm" Table 4 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups..."
The CDC just came out and said only 6% of deaths were “just” from covid. All others were people with at least two comorbidities, and 56% were over 75.In addition it’s now being reported that the covid tests are too sensitive so 90% of the positive tests came from people with not enough of the virus to infect others.The time of being patient is over.
@joeldalton All I know is that having COVID19 sucks having it sucks being hospitalized for it sucks and trying to recuperate from it is excruciating it's something I never want to go through againWhat also sucks is losing an Aunt that was in a nursing home and unable to see her and unable to be there for her last moments of her life. That hurt a lotI don't have an opinion on what everyone is saying right now about real news fake news I just know what happened to us and what happened to us sucked and it hurt I can't tell you about the other people whether they had it or not whether the test were well done or not I can't even tell you about the other deaths I just know what happened to my family.
It didn’t really suck that bad when I had it. Everyone’s bout is different.
@meetkitty123- everyone will be shocked how much the pandem8c subsides after the election. It’s hard to really know the truth, as long as both sides keep it so politicized. The left wants it yo remain, for us to remain scared shitless, bc they want the control to run our lives. That’s the goal of the democrats- they are power mad. Anything, and I mean anything, is ok, as long as it helps them gain power, to bring down our nation, and destroy it from within.
And yes, people get sick because it’s a new virus. Also, immune systems are not equally good for all.
yes that's right we were supposed to "flatten the curve" not "lockdown until its gone" they switched the narrative on me
And ur point is. Infection is inevitable. We need to live life🤷🏽♂️
Yup. In Australia we take it all very seriously and lock down at any sign of a spike. In my state there are only 7-10 new cases a day (population 8 million) and most places there are signs up everywhere to wear masks and socially distance. people don't bring politics into it, it's life or death, exactly why there are only 600 deaths in all of Australia even after a big spike in Victoria.
It's not all that hard to manage it, but the right wing worldwide wants people scared, because scared people vote for authoritarians.At least one mother travelled to Berlin to protest (unsafely) at the weekend because she believed that, if your child is sick, you have to leave them alone in their room, and if you don't, they'll take your child from you. I'm sure she didn't come up with that idea by herself; someone told her that, and that's disgusting.It's all of a piece with the burning cities narrative in the states.
actually the right wing is telling people it isn't a big deal and to calm down sooooo its the left trying to promote authoriatarianism by telling people to be scared of the virus
@talulahbee australia is an island, not a global economic center with air traffic, and has a different strain of the virus than america does. not a valid comparison
@007kingifrit The right wing is lying about it not being a big deal; it's killing about the same as two or three Boeing 747's crashing every day. In normal times, people would be working together to deal with the pandemic, but McConnell won't even bring bills up for debate.They're also lying about practically everything else, stirring up trouble, and shooting people, particularly law enforcement officers and protesters against authoritarianism.
We don't have the highest number of cases in the world, plus our numbers are trending down.
@gotc147 okay, lets put it this way, I'm originally from Kansas.Kansas has a population of 2.913 million people, Tokyo has a population of 9.273 million. Kansas has had a total of 41,909 cases, Tokyo has had a total of 20,569. Kansas is 213,100 km², Tokyo is 2,194 km²...Despite over 3 times the population and a VASTLY BIGGER STATE, Kansas has had DOUBLE the amount of cases. Do you not see an issue here? Wear. A. Mask.
@gotc147 also USA does have the highest amount of cases in the world, USA has 6,147,434 cases total. Following that is Brazil and India with about 3,000,000 cases each. And Corona numbers are trending down in almost EVERY country. do your research please I beg of you
In Japan they actually wear masks when sick and call in sick when they are.
Per capita, which is the appropriate way to measure this, we do not have the most cases, several European countries have more.Plus, you are apparently believing the official numbers from China and Russia, which is absurd.Most of our hotspots are in heavily Democrat areas, where mask compliance is high.We are also doing testing on a scale larger than any other country.There is a lot more to this than raw case numbers.
Some people are almost immune. Maybe the Japs have special system
US tested more than all the countries in the world combined. They have it , no test to prove it
@888theGreat I got tested for free in Tokyo, my friend in the US paid 70$ to get tested in Kansas
You don't have to go that far, look at the countries where it's actually being managed properly. Masks, distancing, and hygene reduce the spread so that cases are reduced.
Ofcourse it doesn't have to. I'm just saying that's probably the safest thing to do, other than becoming a hermit
The point is that if everybody puts up with some mild restrictions, everybody is safer.
It's only existing for that you said there, it only lives in us makes our body make more if it if we don't spread it, it's gone duno why's that hard to get.
You want to see the people you Love.You could also be the one putting them into grave because you visit them while being infected.But survival of the fittest huh🤦♂️
How about being not so selfish and realizing that there are others that could very well possibly die from your lack of covid precaution? Just because you’re apparently A O. K. With dying doesn’t mean people with compromised immune systems want to die... shouldn’t have to be a game of survival of the fittest. Just do what the CDC says and wait it out. You’re thinking in a very selfish manner.
It's not going to go people don't stay in, I think people want a forced quarentine maybe they have to be treated like cattle
Oh and I can kill more healthy now just so you know there are many types as people breed it up and spread it about
@Lizzzzz288283 there’s no waiting it out, don’t you get it? Herd immunity is the way to go. I wear my mask when I’m around other people and I’m not being stupid, I’m careful to do what I can not to spread it. But I can’t have that include me staying holed up inside avoiding people any longer. Obviously quarantine didn’t work. New Zealand got sick again. So I’ll slap on a mask and go about my normal life, as everyone should. The world crumbles when we let essential things shut down.
it never will go away if people don't stop just will kill anyone who gets sick old or has a bad accident why do u want that, quarantine only don't work when people sneak into a area that is clean of it or travel to it and they have it, you don't even know enough to have a opinion on it. What is going to happen will be forced and real quarentine if it keeps going
@mrgspoter okay. until then I'll live my life. we'll see what happens. I can't control it anyways, so why worry about it
When I mean normal I mean normal - touching, hugging, kissing, shaking hands, standing close without the other person acting as if your a leper
i like your normal, that's how i live
@Jenson_Dior Heavy smoking is more of a danger of killing them then the Chinese Virus
@Jenson_Dior that's acceptable. life is worth risking other people's lives for
@Lizzzzz288283 Living is not selfishness
@888theGreat Smoking is not part of the topic. Read the question. And then stop heavy smoking too. Easy as that.
@007kingifrit Same I heard from a colleague in Italy until his wife died of COVIS, then he cried like a baby. But go for it champ.
@Jenson_Dior only 3 out of every 1000 people die, so that's pretty unlikely especially since the average age of death is 80you're just a pussy
No a pussy gets a virus and speeds it round too kill anyone, be a man and do it yourself, people like this are too stupid or carless to have a opinion on anything
@007kingifritInstead of you I'm intelligent.Why do you think in major EU countries the death rate is much lower than US/Brasil and India.Because we do what is needed to reduce the infection rate.The reason why the numbers are so high in US and Brasil is due to the fact that the dumb people (def. including you) think they are smart and have not to carry mask and follow specific rules. If everyone act like you infection rate would go parabolic.Congrats, peaople die because of your stupidity.Furthermore it is not yet identified the longterm health issues to your organs if you once had it.This proofs you are just not educated and have no sense how to act in society.If you are so tough go and catch the virus and hug your parents and elder friends. Would have been better your father wanked against the train in the 10 min he was bored. Would have saved us some trouble...
@888thegreat exactly my point. Living isn’t selfish. The people with compromised immune systems want to live through covid. This whole “survival of the fittest” statement IS selfish.
@Lizzzzz288283 The people with compromised immune systems can self-isolate/quarantine if they want, keep themselves safe. In that case, their "adaptation" of of staying away from other people to keep themselves safe would make them more fit for survival. However, those of us who are not concerned about other health problems should be allowed to make our own choices and live our lives normally. We can all be respectful to each other, but no need to control everyone. Just like if someone is allergic to peanuts: they will avoid peanuts, to keep themselves safe; they wouldn't walk into a peanut factory. Those of us who are not allergic to peanuts can continue to eat them. If we know we are going to be around these people who are allergic, we can avoid eating peanuts for a day so we don't expose them.
So how does people stop getting old, sick, unhealthy or have no accidents? So covid won't kill anyone..
You know they want some reason to control us and people who can't stop spreading it will be the reason it will be a forced quarentine when a new more leathal one comes round, you all prove people need to be forced to do it right.
@Lizzzzz288283 CDC have their fingers up their butts. They didn't know anything from the start. Wear a mask , don't wear a mask, wear a mask. Stay 2 feet away, stay 6 feet , maybe 10 feet , just stay home.
@Jenson_Dior the death rate is actually higher in many european countries. and the mortality rate certainly is. america has the lowest mortality rate which is what really mattersplus Europe isn't the travel hub of the world and doesn't get pandemics as hard as america does
Why even speak if your spraying shit? You need to go find a reliable source of information guys that's just rubbish.
Can't really say it no different just one word neat instead of near. What don't you get about it?
Sorry about the mistakes in English
you have everything provided for you , but if some people don't work , they starve
Not sure what that has to do with it? That's the same for everyone tho our governed paths $1200 a fortnight to people out of work during covid and they created "JobKeeper" incentive to keep businesses employing people who aren't needed at work... Perks of having a country that looks after its people!
That is why 30 million or more have no job now. People that never have run a business say this
Still not sure what your point is... Of course I don't own a business I'm 16. Both my parents run businesses... They are being held up by the government, so are their employees, while we wait for covid to improve here (tho most businesses are returning to normal now).
Since when is infecting others a human right?
@JenSCDC I think he is talking about being ignorant as a right in which case I have to agree with him, sadly.
@connythebaker Forming a voluntary contract to work and earn money is a human right. During this time it's irresponsible to continue to do so if it's a high-risk job. However, it's not the place of the government to force everyone to be responsible. That's an individual choice that people need to make.
Okay, I can respect that. I used to like ayn rand back in the day. I will support your case for dropping those restrictions if you support mine for my human right to accept money from strangers for sex in the US (it is a voluntary contract) and for any drugs to be available without prescription (recreational or not - my choice whether I act responsible or not). I also want the 1986 gun-ban lifted, the 2nd ammendment does not contain a single word about fully automatics to be banned.
@connythebaker Yeah, I already agree with all of that.
Trump is not the emporer. He's not the one politicizing this horse shit virus
@TienShenhan He is the head of government. He can dismiss any other member of government at any time. How can his own crew work against him? Why would they even want to?
You really haven't the slightest clue what is going on. The establishment hates Trump, they have worked against him since day 1, and the purpose of these shutdowns is to make him look bad so they can install an establishment president again to undo what he is done. They wanted Hillary to be president so they can have their war with Russia, hence the Russia-gate conspiracy that has no basis in reality. Why would they work against him you ask? Because he will not be controlled by the Deepstate, which is why the smear campaign they started against him in 2016 is still in affect DAILY
@TienShenhan The establishment is not the government, but nvm. I think I see what you mean by "deep state". Looks like Trump can only count on his most loyal supporters then, if he is ever to be treated in a just way. Better buy another AR-15 and some 30 clips, just in case... After all a situation like that was what the 2nd ammendment was written for, wasn't it?
The majority of the people dying are people that were already in the process of dying, people with cancer, diseases, heart conditions and so on... only about 0.06% of healthy people have been affected, the media makes it seem like it’s a dangerous virus that’s going to kill everybody, but the truth is it’s not, it only kills those that are extremely unhealthy. Even DOCTORS are saying this... including DOCTORS from CHINA...The media is publicizing the Virus for political leverage against trump, just like how they are using BLM for their Marxist political agenda.
The FLU kills more people a week than COVID-19 does in 5 months.
@Conspiracy_Theorist citation please.
Watch every non mainstream media network that has ever existed on this planet...
Oh and get triggered please.
@Conspiracy_Theorist in other words, you have nothing. If you had the facts on your side, it would be easy to fufil my request.
I have more than what you have, prove you’re side, you can’t.
@Conspiracy_Theorist um... you're the one who made a claim- it's your responsibility to back it up, not mine.
Um how is it a claim when it’s fact?
Covid sure seems to exist only when there’s a trump rally or trump protest, but not when the far left and cuckhold liberal left destroy cities and “peacefully” protest.The people that are dying from covid are those that were already in the process of dying, how come the weekly and monthly and yearly rates of other medical related deaths have dropped? And covid-19 deaths have risen? How does that even happen?Fred dies of a motorcycle accident but he had covid so they write it off as a covid death so the hospital can cash a bonus $600.00 from the Covid-19 patient relief fund.
https://youtu.be/75uwKcD3dv4 this is the far left, this is the party you back, you’re opinion doesn’t matter.
You’re a man behind the cover as a “woman” on this website, to gain more attention for your outrageous Ego, change my mind.
@Conspiracy_Theorist all I'm doing is asking you to point me to a reputable source, such as the CDC.
Lol the CDC? Ahahahahhahahaha they are not a reliable source for anything whatsoever, that’s like saying the FDA is reliable... LOL be gone sheep
Wonder how reputable source like the CDC is when they torture animals and they experiment on humans at Plum island, yeah let’s just trust those guys for information. Be gone kid
Man you made me laugh, thanks for that, changed my whole day!
Omg autocorrect Naw. If people wore mask and followed social distancing most places can open. Also many places need to revision their businesses to make it covid friendly. Unfortunately this the new norm and some people are resistant to change
This shouldn’t be the new normal. This is a joke. It’s inconvenient and stupid and doesn’t work
No there’s gonna be a new norm... covid will be around killing elderly people for ever. Maybe we can reduce it to flu like symptoms and get rid of the death toll but life will change for elderly people. Even with a cure. I’ve heard it’s mutated many times and if so we prob can’t cure it we’ll just have to live safe...
@VanillaSalt yea but not with all of these bull shit things that are put in place
The shutdowns will change. They will lock up old people and limit access. Families will be split. To prevent spread buildings will hold less people so they will charge more for product... jobs will cost more to employ people so fewer jobs probably paying less. Or after Nov it might just fucking disappear...
You can't make any money with 2 people inside building. You can't eat outside in winter
Or we could just not give a fuck and let people live their lives. Trying to force people to adopt ineffective measures to try to avoid a disease that if it exists is unavoidable is stupid, arbitrary and capricious
We’re doing that and Covid is getting worse. People aren’t listening to experts.
Because experts are wrong🤷🏽♂️
Brilliant! How do you know that? Because experts are considered experts by consensus. Not some divine wisdom. They have to prove themselves.
Keep telling yourself that you Dr. Fauci lover
Never understood Covidiots like you. Is it just a silly rebellious attitude? Like teenagers?
I have been living my life. I only use used masks from myself and haven’t gotten sick 🤷🏽♂️
And the germs you spread to others?
that's illegal you can't make people wear masks
@007kingifrit Like seatbelts?
not the same at all
@007kingifrit how so?
trump acted very fast and did everything the feds are supposed to do in a pandemic
@007kingifrit Only when it already was a po pandemic. He had the chance to prevent it from becoming one.
where is your evidence that people aren't taking the steps suggested? most people are wearing masks and social distancing. and there is no correlation between % of mask use and death rates
@007kingifrit where is your evidence?
The Fart test , yes
My oldest brother's farts are worse than the virus. They could kill you.
Not the RULES!!!