Would society accept another lockdown from a pandemic as it did for COVID?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t know. I guess what I’d say is “professional virologists” always, always, ALWAYS are who you want to listen to in those situations, and never, ever, ever, EVEREVEREVEREVEREVEREVER John and Jane Not-A-Doctor, who are just concerned with their own family’s well-being, or even just convenience and entertainment, rather than the entirety of humanity. I’d say as a general rule, I only take serious the opinions of those with an eye towards what’s best for ALL OF US, collectively.

Lockdowns should be 0% based on “what John and Jane Not-A-Doctor feel about it”, and 100% based on what some of our smartest humans, who have dedicated their entire adult lives to knowing this kind of thing backwards and forwards, have decided is the best course of action.

“Awww, mannnn…. but I want to go out to eat!” or “My wife/husband and my kids are driving me crazy!”, just absolutely, positively CANNOT be factored into the equation. All I saw in 2020-21 were these pseudo-intellectualized arguments from Muppets who hang drywall for a living (no disrespect, good honest work…. but doesn’t make you any sort of person to be consulted about public health) trying to chime in on how we should handle a pandemic, not coincidentally landing on the answer of “Let us keep going to The Olive Garden, and fuck it if your family’s elders die! It’s not MY grandma! I’LL be fine!”

Anti-expertise-ism… I just can’t rock with that. Nothing we have to say outweighs the opinion of an expert. And what any of us “want” doesn’t matter one iota, what matters is doing what’s medically CORRECT, which, I can’t stress enough, should only be arrived at by medical experts who have forgotten more about this stuff than we’ll ever know.

Personally…. that was one of the best years of my life. I don’t think this will happen again in any of our lifetimes. But other than not being able to play hockey, I loved exploring the world while everyone else removed themselves from it. I remember waking on a beach, completely alone, just me and some seals. That’s how I’m trying to live, everyday. Keep other humans away from me🤣

[goaded]

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
― Isaac Asimov

I wonder if those builders would take the advice of an accountant when it comes to hanging drywall.

[RingOfFire]

I don't know about the world, but I suspect that the same half of Americans, the sheeple, will just go along with it like they did the first time. Ignorance and a weak mind is incurable.

[FreyaRed]

Of course, majority of people are fools who believe media and fall for peer pressure.
From perspective of our spoilt* elites are people who think a problem, especially if those people think outside the box.

* 80% of them wouldn't survive competition on real free market, especially those who are since generations rich.

[TrueConfection]

Yup, sadly. The sheeple will follow the heard off a cliff.

[TrueConfection]

Thanks for the MHO 🩷

[MisterWack]

We made it through The Pandemic when everyone did their part such as, lockdowns and wearing masks then getting vaccinated though keeping in line.

If people believe that them not taking part actually fixed it, it is because less people were running around and less people were going around.

Lockdowns worked, think of it like… Half of the town from West Street is infected while the other Half of the town from East Street is not infected. You have all of them stay inside in which services come to their door to bring them everything that they need.

Here are the issues with the Pandemic isolation method and what needs to be fixed for the next Pandemic:

• the affects on mental health , we as a society need better resources to manage that aspect.
• the overwhelming stress for the High School graduate youth , there should be a rule that you can only go up in grades not down and that if your grades were above a ‘C’ that you automatically get a diploma at end of the year and aren’t required to go to class. There should be similar treatment to all grades, though the one that is graduating doesn’t deserve their diploma taken away due to unexpected situation nobody had a choice in being a part of.
• not being able to work and make money since only essential workers were allowed for most part , everyone is guaranteed a job of some type and managers need resources to keep their businesses afloat. We lost the largest amount of jobs in 2020 to 2021 thanks to Covid19 Pandemic. We need better resources.
  
  I’m not here to sugar coat our lockdown procedure, I am here to say it helped us get through The Covid19 Pandemic so when the time comes we need to be willing to push resources to help people dealing with domestic violence, help people release the pressure from the stress, ensure our children and youth that their Pandemic education won’t sabotage their future, etc.

People got us through this Pandemic, another thought is raise wages of medical workers and increase wages of teachers. Thank you.

[Lliam]

I don't know how much of society is still stupid enough to comply with that nonsense. Some people are dumb as rocks and some people never learn. They believe that the shadows projected on the walls of their caves are real.

There are people here on GAG who still buy the plandemic narrative and think lock downs were necessary and effective. They have no idea how phony the covid death stats were or how deadly were/are the jabs. It's hard to believe how uninformed people can be and how willing they are to welcome malicious authoritarianism wrapped in fake concern for public safety.
"Trust THE science" said the eugenicists and pharma profiteers.

Speaking for myself and a LOT of people I know, I never complied with masking or social distancing, and I never got jabbed.
I went to dinners and parties and even large meetings and protests where nobody was masked or jabbed. We shook hands, hugged and chatted and I never got sick. Neither did anyone else I know of.

I hope and suspect that more people are wise to the evil scam that was perpetrated on the world. That scam killed and bankrupted people. It was about 1) population control (eugenics) and 2) a massive money grab. It had NOTHING to do with public safety or security.

[TrueConfection]

But sCiEnCe 🤪

I never believed so many people would comply. The laziness of the population is astonishing and it has paved a broad road for group think.

Don’t forget it was also about 3) THE election.

[Lliam]

@TrueConfection. Fear porn is effective when it is pushed by every mainstream outlet 24/7 while other voices are censored. The most effective way to control a population is through fear.

[Chazmatazz269]

“Society” isn’t some monolithic entity. It’s people. Lots of people accepted the last one, like morons. Most likely 100% of those same morons will accept the next one without question. Especially if a democrat tells them it’s necessary.
Similarly, most likely 100% of the people who challenged the status quo during covid lockdowns will do exactly the same thing. I don’t think they would kowtow if a republican told them to, but maybe they would.
Most US citizens are morons. Which is exactly why this god forsaken country has become the shitstorm that it is. Nobody learns.

[NaultD]

Covid19 more killed more people then any other natural disaster. Probably more amaricans then the war on terrorism.

The largest concern was overloading hospitals. It's not like heart attacks or car crashes was slowing down for Covid19. Worse yet doctors got sick helping Covid19. Compounding the problem.

Doctors needed better media training. Fair enough but people are aggressively stupid and proud of it. Then died for it.

[NaultD]

https://images.app.goo.gl/dJ4gHyhTY5pme7SC8

Every seat dead body.

That's half assing the lockdown. Doing nothing is straight up apocalyptic. It's not like it had strong foundation after 2008.

[Asker]

Was obesity also a contributing factor?

[NaultD]

Obesity is a contributing factor towards everything. It dosen't really matter. The 1918 Spanish flu basically ended ww1 because it was killing faster then trench warfare. Keeping your head down in a trench is visible. Coughing is not. Then when doctor get sick the whole town is fucked.

[contentious]

Considering we didn’t even lock down the first time here in Florida, I don’t know why you think trying the same failed mistake again would get you anywhere new. Knowing socialist, you’d probably try to be more threatening, and then we’d just stack your bodies like sand bags. Pick your own adventure...

[juleyboo74]

Well, the next pandemic could be even more deadly, even more contagious, so its possible its necessary. But I will not submit easily - I will need way more transparency and less speech police on the subject. And far more choice in how I go about my daily life.

[Syntosi]

American society? Probably not. A more civilized society? Maybe. It might actually be for the better too since last time with Covid19 we might not have gotten covid extincted but we got a whole bunch of other diseases instead.

[seeyounexttuesday]

found the guy still wearing masks and getting covid boosters.

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Sure am.

[seeyounexttuesday]

not the least bit surprising.

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Ditto

[seeyounexttuesday]

Do they give you a book on how to follow every retard trope?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday You mean like a red hat?

[seeyounexttuesday]

No, more along the lines of "Getting Brainwashed for Dummies" since I don't think you have a very high understanding of vocabulary words.

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday I think that book is generally called the bible. Easy mistake to make for such a smart person as yourself I am sure.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I'm sure even people during biblical times understood what per capita meant. your trolling is lame, too.

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Ahaha! What the actual fuck does "Biblical times" even mean? You people are deranged.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You’re that fucking stupid? What year is it?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday And what does that have to do with anything?

[seeyounexttuesday]

it’s a simple question. What year is it?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Depends on what calendar you use. 2025 if you use the Julius or Gregorian calendar, 1447 if you use the Islamic, 5785 if you use the Hebrew, 1741 if you use the Coptic, 1404 if you use the Hirji one, 1432 with the Bengal one, etc.. There are plenty of examples to go around.

Also, computers counts time in a variety of ways such as update ticks since arbitrary days.

So yes, thank you. Very simple.

[seeyounexttuesday]

lol. Is there a special autistic web search site you had to use for that?

So it’s 2025…. AD?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Some might claim that.

[seeyounexttuesday]

The ones that don’t are idiots. So what does AD stand for?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday AD? I Use CE.

[seeyounexttuesday]

That’s because you’re a moron.

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday As opposed to "Biblical time"?

[seeyounexttuesday]

So yeah, what does AD mean?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday It does not mean the birth of Jesus Christ if that is what you are thinking.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Should be easy for you to tell me what it means, then. You come on all these threads acting like you have a superior intelligence. This one should be a cake walk for you

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Considering that Jesus was not born at the start of the Gregorian calendar it does make such a claim quite silly. Furthermore, there is no 0 AD or 0 BC so unless you think that Jesus is born like 5BC, grows up and has his first birthday, time travels to 1AD and gets born again, then that sounds like a very silly assumption to make.

[seeyounexttuesday]

So you’re saying you don’t know what AD stands for? What about BC, you know what the definition of that?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday *sigh* Lets do some basic math shall we?

Lets say AD stands for "After Christ" and BC stands for "Before Christ".

So 1 BC would imply that it is 1 year before Christ right?
After that we have 1 AD which would imply that it is 1 year after Christ right?

So if I take 1 AD, and subtract 1 year, I should arrive at the year that Jesus was born. So what is the year before 1 AD? 1 BC of course which is one year before Christ. So to go from 1 BC to the year that Jesus was born we should add one year. What year is after 1 BC? 1 AD of course! It just makes so much sense that Jesus does not have a year in which he was born considering this is all make-believe anyways.

Especially considering biblical scholars are pretty certain that Jesus (if he even existed) was not born anywhere near that time anyways.

Something, something, brainwashing, bible.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Oh. So since the Bible describes the life of Jesus and the way we measure years is based on His life, there was such a thing as Biblical times. When they - especially the Romans - knew what per capita means.

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Harry Potter describes the life of the wizard Harry Potter which does not make me believe that there is a wizard named Harry Potter in reality. Also, as I have already demonstrated, we do not measure years based on his life. What you are claiming is literally mathematically impossible because there is no "year zero" where Jesus was supposedly born.

I also find it hilarious that you presumably define BC as "biblical time" since that includes such "biblical" things such as the Dinosaurs.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Did Harry Potter know what per capita meant?

[seeyounexttuesday]

We literally do. Did Harry Potter know what per capita meant?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Just out of curiosity. What year is Jesus born?

[seeyounexttuesday]

After you tell me what per capita, BC, and AD mean

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday Already have. Got dementia again?

[AviatorTom]

A lockdown for COVID was not universal. Sweden did not lockdown, and some US states didn't lockdown; results were similar, or better, than those places that locked down.

In a future pandemic, probably similar things will happen... some lockdowns, some not.

[goaded]

Sweden did lock down. Like the UK they waited, then regretted it. Also, their society was quite distanced, even before Covid.

One in ten people caught it, one in a hundred of them died. And it's still spreading.

[purplepoppy]

Depends on how dangerous they perceive the disease. My prediction is the authorities would clamp down a lot harder than they did during covid.

[Avicenna]

Nah, no one is going for that again. What leftists might try is lockdowns because of „climate change“.

[goaded]

Why? You're getting even more ridiculous than when you claimed a constitutional amendment could be unconstitutional.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: Now, goaded, you would have failed eighth grade civics with tripe like that. Luckily for you, you were tested in Mao Zedong thought and his Little Red Book at that age.

For those who don’t know, goaded, who is not a US citizen, does not live in the US, and is not US-educated, thinks that it would be possible to amend the US Constitution to „ban gerrymandering“, and he continues to claim it would be constitutional despite the fact that the federal Constitution explicitly gives state legislatures that power, and, furthermore, he thinks it isn’t gerrymandering if Democrats do it.
Goaded, being the totalitarian that he is, doesn’t care how he gets to one-party rule. And he certainly doesn’t care that he can’t write some vague statement that violates the state legislatures‘ constitutional power to redistrict US and state legislative districts.

So what constitutes gerrymandering and what doesn’t? Leaving aside the separation of powers issue, who’s going to pass such a vague amendment?

[goaded]

Only it was being graded by a liar. An amendment to the constitution is part of the constitution, pretending I'm talking about a two word amendment is just sad.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: I responded to what you called for in an amendment- those were your words and you are not only a pathological liar, you don’t know what you’re talking about, so instead of admitting you were wrong, you tried to cover it up. That’s entirely on you.

Everything you say is a lie- either directly or by omission. And it’s usually not that hard to catch you in your lies, because they’re stupid ones.

One thing you never specified (because you are a propagandist and not someone actually interested in policy) is who you think should be drawing new Congressional districts. You also never said who you think should be drawing state legislative bodies‘ districts.

[Avicenna]

Furthermore, goaded, there is a very thorough process for an amendment to the Constitution, so some flippant statement from a foreign Communist isn’t going to pass muster when it comes to how it’s worded. Either make a serious proposal or just admit you’re clueless.

[goaded]

Let me get this straight. Your argument is that when I said there should be a constitutional amendment to ban gerrymandering I meant there should be a two word amendment: "Ban gerrymandering"? While also claiming a constitutional amendment can be unconstitutional.

LMAO. Projection and lies, that's all you've got.

FWIW, Congress can simply pass a law making gerrymandering illegal, it doesn't even have to be a constitutional amendment, although that would eliminate any arguments about its constitutionality (from sane people, at least). In fact, the House did, in March 2019. Every Republican voted against it and McConnell killed it in the Senate.
en.wikipedia.org/.../For_the_People_Act

[Avicenna]

@goaded : Sigh, you‘re still failing 8th grade civics, in part because you’re too busy being a partisan and ignoring the unconstitutionality of much of the legislation you’re championing.

You’re also mistaken that Congress could simply ban gerrymandering and/or redistricting by legislatures through ordinary federal legislation- it would run afoul of something called “commandeering”, which basically means that Congress cannot infringe on state sovereignty bestowed by the Tenth Amendment.

Just because House Democrats passed a piece of legislation doesn’t mean it was constitutional or even intended to become law (any close reading of either the 2019 or 2021 bills make it clear that isn’t the case), but instead was intended to further Democratic Party talking points.

At the end of the day, you refuse to accept that you’re wrong, blinded by your desire to bring about one-party rule in the US. And your proposals are perfectly fair game for commentary by others. Your own words do you in, time and again.

[goaded]

Hilarious! This from someone who thinks an amendment to ban gerrymandering would be two words: "ban gerrymandering" and that a constitutional amendment can be unconstitutional.

More projection from you: "you refuse to accept that you’re wrong, blinded by your desire to bring about one-party rule in the US".

Congress has already passed laws prohibiting states from certain election-related actions. The Civil Rights Acts, for example.

Commandeering, surprise, doesn't mean what you claim. "Since 1992, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from forcing states to pass or not pass certain legislation, or to enforce federal law. "

States can choose not to enforce, say, federal immigration law, but that doesn't mean they can choose to break federal laws.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: You’re the one who said those words- its your proposed amendment, and despite me asking, you have said who would decide on redistricting as part of your proposed amendment. Do spare us the fairy tales about projection on your part.

Civil rights laws have a constitutional basis and are subject to the supremacy clause, which your proposed anti-gerrymandering amendment and proposed legislation cannot invoke because redistricting is a power the Constitution clearly gives to the states and the 14th Amendment also applies to the states. Civil rights legislation has also undergone judicial review.

You never want details examined, because then we see you’re just calling for unconstitutional actions on behalf of the Democrats.

As for SCOTUS case law on state power, especially since 1992. you’re also on quicksand there, especially because that House legislation you tout would have forced the states not only to enforce federal law in areas that the US Constitution clearly gives to the states (administering elections), it would have unconstitutionally forced them to make this unconstitutional legislation part of their state Constitutions.

There’s no “”A” (or 1,0 if you prefer) for effort, goaded. You still have a F (6,0).

[goaded]

Your argument is that when I said there should be a constitutional amendment to ban gerrymandering I meant there should be a two word amendment: "Ban gerrymandering". How stupid are you?

Lie: "redistricting is a power the Constitution clearly gives to the states"
"the 27th Congress passed a law requiring the election of Representatives by districts" in 1842. " In subsequent years, Congress expanded on the requirements, successively adding contiguity, compactness, and substantial equality of population to the districting requirements."
en.wikipedia.org/.../Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution (clause 1, section 4).

Lie: "it would have unconstitutionally forced them to make this unconstitutional legislation part of their state Constitutions."
No. It would be a law, like many others. Having to obey a law is not the same thing as being forced to enforce one. Do you seriously not understand the difference, or is it simply an inconvenient fact you'll ignore for the sake of your bogus argument?

[Avicenna]

@goaded: You are the one that said that about the amendment. I’ve reminded you of that multiple times and no matter how many times you whine about it, it is your actual words that I responded to. It’s not up for debate.

Rather than admit you were wrong, you spend all your time coming up with bogus arguments to make it seem like you weren’t.

Where does redistricting occur? At the state level. You still refuse to say where you want your amendment to have it occur. Do you understand what the Tenth Amendment is?
The 1842 legislation you refer to was repealed by legislation passed in 1929, and in 1967, the requirement that a geographic area be the basis of a House district became law.

You also haven’t defined gerrymandering, which is odd because you claim to want to ban it. Do you really know what you want to ban?

The states administer elections. They are/would be forced to enforce any federal laws regarding elections under the legislation/amendment you support that would federalize elections. That’s a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. It’s also common sense.

We see repeatedly from you that you believe facts that are inconvenient to your totalitarian goals are “lies”. There’s something seriously wrong with someone who thinks that. You’re obviously willing to say or do anything to get a
foreign country to become a one-party state. You’re a control freak with no ethics or boundaries.

[goaded]

You're still bullshitting that when I said there should be a constitutional amendment to ban gerrymandering I meant there should be a two word amendment: "Ban gerrymandering". Nobody believes that, least of all you. GTFO.

Congress has, constitutionally, restricted how states can redistrict by law in the past, they can do it again. Or they could, if Republicans would stop voting for the right to cheat.

[msc545]

No. People have bought into the idea that Covid is harmless even though last time it killed millions of people. Of course they also will not be vacccinated because Robert Kennedy says they should not.

[acooke-13]

If I get furlough again, absolutely I'll do whatever they want!

[Kaneki05]

I would love it! Government giving me more money so I can order takeaways and not interact with fools. But no I think fools wouldn't. Though it depends how the government enforces it, if it's with iron will you have to follow it really.

[DryGermanGuy]

Obviously that should depend on the disease... is it the common flu or Ebola?

[NaultD]

The thing with ebola it's so deadly it's globally less dangerous. You get so sick and bedridden it's hard to spread it around.

Covid19 hit the disastrous spot of being deadly and people spreading it without a care.

[Vegasrunner]

Depends on how the message is delivered. If you attempt to restrict people and tell them it's for the safety of others, it won't work. If you convince them they're in danger yes.

[trumpetplayerforlife]

I don't feel like the economy could take another hit like that right now

[Dennisjf12]

Some people would & some people would not it is very hard to say how would do what or how many would. Dennis

[DrPepper12]

At the rate that morons are missing antibiotics making super bugs and strains of illnesses the next lockdown is inevitable so get used to it.

[DCVsMarvel2]

I'm already at home most of the time anyway. I work from home on mondays, not at all on tuesdays, and at the office wed-fri. but, other than that, I could care less about going out

[qwerty2469]

I live in Texas. Lock down was like 8 weeks and I went to work the next day. The office was empty. Told the boss I was quarantined at work. He said OK. Best 8 weeks of work in my whole life. Traffic was awesome. Took me 9 minutes to get to work. I wish the pandemic lasted forever and everyone died.

[exitseven]

No, we have a new president and America has a different attitude.

[douride2]

Wasn't the same guy in office when covid started?

[exitseven]

@douride2 It happened at the tail end of Trumps first term. People did not expect the lockdowns to go on for two years and did not expect to be forced to take a vaccine.

[douride2]

We weren't locked down & no one was forced to get a shot. Then again I'm up north.

[exitseven]

@douride2 Schools were closed for two years and many businesses still could not reopen. Biden fixed it so if you got fired for not getting the vaccine , you would be ineligible to collect unemployment. . That basically forced people to get the shot.

[Summeroflove]

Would seriously hope not… Obviously there is still COVID people out there but too many people wouldn’t go along with it

[avery58]

There would probably be some assholes who refuse to take any precautions for their safety and the safety of those around them.

[douride2]

I'm not sure where you live but here we weren't locked down.

[Snakeyes7]

I sure as hell hope not, but considering how many people believe everything the state and the corporations tell them, I would not be surprised.

[Anonymous]

No. How many people who are recorded as dying of covid died of being hit by a car?

[Friendlybro79]

Under this administration no way. Trying to stay safe and healthy that is somehow against 'Merica and freedom, but having the military occupy our streets is good

[Staximus]

Those fucking lemmings can do what they want, I'm not accepting it

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Yes. They would have to if there was another pandemic.

[onedarkcloud]

Because we have been lied to for years by our government.

[captain_voidwalker]

Hell no. That covid shit was just a power grab by the global elites. And we all know it now.

[RedInnocent69]

Yeah, if it were bad enough. Like, zombie apocalypse bad

[robocop666]

China has made stricter rules for lockdowns on viruses now

[goaded]

In sane countries, yes. In the US, I doubt it.

[Pohjolan]

Depends on how severe its going to be.

Coving was practically a dress rehearsal.

[warlock83]

Nope. Remember when they went into an uproar about putting a mask on? These are the same people who did not mind wearing a... uhem, white hood.

[BCRanger10]

I think they would.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure about the society, but I would.

[Miristheiss]

I do not think so.

[seeyounexttuesday]

The blue states and cucked countries would 100%

[kavakava]

At the risk of sounding like a racist, I've never trusted pangolins. Who knows what those shifty fuckers are cooking up in their pangolin labs.
They should all be deported to Martha's Vineyard. .

[seeyounexttuesday]

@kavakava a pangolin made out with a bat and now we have to stay inside for two years.

[Anonymous]

The reason it spread (after the orange idiot allowed it into the country) was because enough people did not.

[Asker]

How did it spread in other countries without Orange idiot?

Cumulative confirmed deaths per million population varies significantly. For instance:

Peru: ~221,058 deaths (~6,603 deaths per million)

Bulgaria: ~38,765 deaths (~5,679 deaths per million) .

Worldometer snapshot (April 2024):

US: ~1.22 million deaths

India: ~533,570 deaths

Brazil: ~711,380 deaths

Other notable figures: UK (~232,000), Russia (~402,000), Mexico (~335,000) .

[Opinion Owner]

Everybody kept their boarders open.

[Asker]

Albania and Serbia were the only countries that kept borders opened.

[Opinion Owner]

It came into the US via cruise ship.

[shortster]

I hope not; but I would not be surprised.

[Dongie]

Nope!

[Rides_Big_Guys]

smoke and mirrors

[jazzy34]

If necessary, yes.