she's a veteran... so i think it's tragic and that she was a patriot. cause i'm 100% sure as a veteran, you want the best for your country. and if you try to do the best, you can't be a traitor, even if you wind up doing the wrong thing.
however honestly i don't know what the fuck those people storming the capitol were thinking. it should have been obvious that this leads to nothing.
I’m arguing with your statement that all veterans act in good faith for the good of the government. This is simply not true and is shown by the war criminals that were recently pardoned. Just because someone serves our country doesn’t mean they aren’t evil or have evil intentions.
As for these “protestors” they should’ve stayed outside where they belonged. They were trespassing illegally and suffered the consequences.
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That is no way for a Veteran to act in the United States, So my cousin is a Veteran and he likes Donald Trump would I approve of him to riot inside the Capitol just cause Joe Biden's electoral votes were being validated and make him official the next US President of the United States nope I would not support him to do that type of kind of action, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander?
Asking the wrong question - The better question is why lethal force was deemed necessary. The federal agent could have easily fired a warning shot and had the same effect, but to shoot to kill and unarmed lady; even if she was forcing entry is messed up.
No I'm talking about Trump/Gulliani. I believe that the only reason he has not been arrested yet is so that Mike Pence cannot pardon the two of them. Once Biden is in charge they will be dealt with.
The secret service and police have the right to use lethal force, look at the cops who murdered George Floyd and Breanna Taylor - they got off.
Also I agree it is important to stay in school so you don't get brainwashed by propaganda and what is shown on Fox News, which would prevent domestic terrorism.
Ok she was maybe an idiot. But the person who killed her is stupid. Because killing her didn't seem to be useful did it!
In crowds, we tend to deviate from our normal behaviour. If you've been in a ball game for example or even a party. We tend to have more audacity than normal. We go ape shit. So that was her motive to jump in. And in the same time, the motive of the stupid person who killed her 😢.
Let's be clear: The one person killed was an UNARMED WOMAN who was a 14 year veteran of the U. S. Air Force who had served three tours in Iraq. WHY WAS SHE SHOT? Had this been a BLM "protest" and an unarmed cockroach had been shot, cities across the U. S. would be burning.
You clearly don’t have friends in the military. We let our vets down to rot in the streets often. It’s disgusting these people defended our freedom with the ultimate sacrifice and you think it’s a joke?
@Year3000 I am a veteran and NO I don't think it's a joke. She was not mentally ill, she was just pissed at her government, and her government killed her.
She clearly had mental problems, to break into the Capital when she knew she would get hurt. Her self harming behavior, and delusions, should have been dealt with to help the young woman. Our country failed her and that’s why she was shot to answer the question you asked.
She should have been given free medications, and Medicare for mental evaluations, inpatient and psychiatric care, it’s just sad that our country can’t help people down like that.
You wanna know something ironic? Are you a Black Lives Matter person? Well, how about I pull up George Floyd's records and show you how he once robbed a pregnant woman at gun point while holding a gun to her belly? What about I bring up Jacob Blake's record when he forcefully inserted his fingers inside of his ex girlfriend's vagina to smell it to see if she was cheating or not? I'm no trump supporter by a far mile but dont you think what they did is kind of a little bit worse than writing a few childish tweets?
No Google I’m not a “blm” person but I consider myself a liberal.
Yeah, they did bad things, but in the moments of their death, those things didn’t matter and they didn’t deserve to die in that moment.
George Floyd didn’t resist arrest and was killed brutally.
However, with Ashli, she was told to stand back but she repeatedly ignored their orders, and it lead to her death. She would still be alive today if she had listened.
I’m not arguing with you I am replying as civilly as I can.
Did you watch the body cam footage of George Floyd? He was so high at the time of his arrest and he also threw himself out of the police car when police put him inside of it.
What happened to "she would still be alive if she complied?" You see color and it's pretty gross honestly. I would get behind everyone and say, yeah she put others in danger by behaving stupid but at the same time, I won't sound hypocritical or contradicting by saying "George Floyd didn't deserve to die." When in reality, both of these people are actually kind of stupid.
Bro what? The situations are completely different tho. If they were reversed I’d be saying the same thing. The difference is, George Floyd did not try and break into a government building during a democratic process. They were getting him over a forged 20 dollar bill which is far less severe.
I’m not saying she should have died at all, it sucks that she did, she should have stopped trying to climb the window.
Yeah but once again, where is that argument? "She would still be alive if she complied?" Because had George Floyd not thrown himself out of the police car, he would technically still be alive. Also, I feel like honest reason you are sharing this is because she is white. The reason you are defending George Floyd is because he is black when in reality, George Floyd was a terrible person. I wouldn't label anyone good for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman's belly.
I can tell that you don't. They died under different circumstances and for different reasons. I'm not saying that George Floyd was a saint but he certainly didn't deserve to die just because he was black.
I'm just saying I can't bring myself to care about a person (any color) when they hurt females to a point of almost rape. I would consider forcefully inserting your fingers into a vagina rape. Wouldn't you? Jacob Blake did that. I honestly wouldn't be able to care no matter how hard I tried if something bad happened to them which it did.
Also "I'm white dude." That doesn't surprise me one bit. The most racial people I have ever come across have been white females by a mile. Don't ask me for stories.
@menina Exactly my point. They weren’t saints but the way they died was inexcusable. In Ashli’s instance, she was warned several times, and was committing a far greater crime.
How would you feel about a white guy pointing a gun to your pregnant belly? Then find out he died by police brutality? It's pretty sad I have to mention he's White to you so you can see the idea I'm trying to get across to you. People who do bad things shouldn't be surprised when bad things come to them.
You see. You might think it's no big deal to point a gun there to a pregnant woman but it is huge. It will scare you beyond belief. Beyond your worst nightmares.
I don’t consider myself radical, Google. I’m just giving my opinion. I understand why you’d be mad about that though. But I’m trying to get you to understand that their harm against women isn’t the reason they had the police on them. It was something completely different.
@starrycrossing "Also, people say “she/he should have complied” to people of color all the time. But when it’s to a white person, it’s suddenly invalid?" "You cannot compare an act of treason to a forged 20 dollar bill." - You're 100% right.
Sadly, I feel like I understand more than you do and I'm a guy. Pointing a gun to pregnant woman's belly and you die in an unfair way. I'm sorry but I don't feel bad for that person regardless of your skin color.
Situation is complicated. But I feel like you’re misunderstanding me. Him pointing a gun to a pregnant woman me belly is awful, disgusting, but, it had nothing to do with how he died, and, the cop had no idea he did that when he was crushing his neck. It was completely irrelevant to the events leading up to his death.
Pretend George Floyd is a white guy so you understand when I truthfully say "I have no remorse or sorrow if you hurt any female psychologically like that."
What happened to Floyd was completely unjustified and it was second degree murder. I've heard from a source that Floyd was sleeping with the officer's mother, which is potentially a motive for murder (not saying that's okay, that's absolutely insane and a proper response would be to just chat and move on) however I'm unsure if a 1st degree murder charge will hold in court, I think they'll get him for second degree though and I sure hope that they do because what happened was no accident.
She stormed the capital. If a BLM supporter had done that, they would be called a terrorist immediately. But because she's conservative and a woman and white, we have this debate over if she was a patriot or traitor.
She was dumb. Had it would of been a BLM protest they wouldn’t have made it in the building without getting shot period. That’s shows white privilege at its finest. Trump their racist leader lost the election because more people voted for Biden. You can’t just storm a federal building and rush a federal agent and expect nothing to happen. We have laws in place for a reason.
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I don't think she was patriot.
We should not speak ill of dead. So I am not gonna chose option one as well. She was a misguided soul, betrayed by those she thought were her well-wishers.
Trump is solely responsible for her death. He should be held responsible.
She was a traitor but she no doubt died believing she was a patriot. Because she believed the lies of the alt-right media. She was a programmed Q-Anon drone.
Neither. She was trespassing, but she didn't deserve to die. Neither did the Capitol building police officer who was just doing his job. Zero winners in this scenario. Sad all around.
Everyone who broke into the Capitol building is a traitor and guilty. of treason. I don't carevth as t shevwas shot. Everyone who broke in who wasn't shot should consider themselves lucky. She got exactly what she deserved. Even if she hadn't posted what she did, I would still feel the same.
Reading her asinine Twitter post, she sounds like a parody of a Trumptard. What an embarrassing way to die, fighting for lies told by a fucking, narcissistic clown. Rot in Hell, Ashli :)
She was a patriot, once upon a time. A woman who believed in her country. Unfortunately that same woman was brainwashed by her shitty president and corrupt media into believing lies and those lies led to her becoming a traitor.
considering she was an air force veteran , she damn well knew better, obviously she learned nothing in the military. i am sorry that she died, over a man that didn't give a damn about her. but she had to have known about breaching white house security. Trump has literally brainwashed his followers.
She put her life on the line in the military. She believed in freedom she was a hero. She got killed because of others who chose to instigate this and that cop who killed her should be charged with murder those cops let her lay there and die and did not help her.
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she's a veteran... so i think it's tragic and that she was a patriot. cause i'm 100% sure as a veteran, you want the best for your country. and if you try to do the best, you can't be a traitor, even if you wind up doing the wrong thing.
however honestly i don't know what the fuck those people storming the capitol were thinking. it should have been obvious that this leads to nothing.
Okay yeah, including the veterans who committed acts of war against civilians... s it e bud
@Catphishi don't know what you're talking about. A protest is not an act of war.
I’m arguing with your statement that all veterans act in good faith for the good of the government. This is simply not true and is shown by the war criminals that were recently pardoned. Just because someone serves our country doesn’t mean they aren’t evil or have evil intentions.
As for these “protestors” they should’ve stayed outside where they belonged. They were trespassing illegally and suffered the consequences.
@Catphish well she wasn't charged with war crimes was she?
That is no way for a Veteran to act in the United States, So my cousin is a Veteran and he likes Donald Trump would I approve of him to riot inside the Capitol just cause Joe Biden's electoral votes were being validated and make him official the next US President of the United States nope I would not support him to do that type of
kind of action, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander?
Asking the wrong question - The better question is why lethal force was deemed necessary. The federal agent could have easily fired a warning shot and had the same effect, but to shoot to kill and unarmed lady; even if she was forcing entry is messed up.
Peaceful protesting is fine, they were trying to overthrow a government. Most countries (Unites States inlcuded) have the death penalty for treason.
A better question is will a judge have the balls to sentence Trump to death after the FBI arrest him on the 21st on January.
@Heiniken Wrong. It is not a federal agent's occupation to be judge, jury and executioner.
I dont know fully how it works.
So like when the FBI arrests him for Treason (or at least they should..) who oversees his trial?
@Heiniken Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
! remind me in 13 days
This isn’t Reddit haha
@Heiniken In 13 days itll be the 21st and on that day I doubt the shooter will be in trial. This is why you stay in school kids
No I'm talking about Trump/Gulliani. I believe that the only reason he has not been arrested yet is so that Mike Pence cannot pardon the two of them. Once Biden is in charge they will be dealt with.
The secret service and police have the right to use lethal force, look at the cops who murdered George Floyd and Breanna Taylor - they got off.
@Heiniken Stop trying to bait karma hoe.
Also I agree it is important to stay in school so you don't get brainwashed by propaganda and what is shown on Fox News, which would prevent domestic terrorism.
@Heiniken glad we agree, lemme take you back to school, "heineken" is the correct spelling.
@Heiniken Consider that a pity lesson, zoop.
What makes you think it is a reference to beer?
@Heiniken bro, we can all tell your momma was drinking when u were in the womb; its in your DNA.
God that makes me feel like one of the Trump supporters who stormed the capital yesterday...
@Heiniken Nobody wins when you bait out a extraneous topic. Go back to Reddit.
Know who also dint win? The domestic MAGA terrorists.
@Heiniken Great joke mate, too bad you can't make as compelling of a comeback in life.
At least I didn't get shot storming the capitol, there is no coming back from that one..
@Heiniken How distasteful, dont make jokes about the dead.
Ok she was maybe an idiot.
But the person who killed her is stupid. Because killing her didn't seem to be useful did it!
In crowds, we tend to deviate from our normal behaviour. If you've been in a ball game for example or even a party. We tend to have more audacity than normal. We go ape shit. So that was her motive to jump in. And in the same time, the motive of the stupid person who killed her 😢.
Let's be clear: The one person killed was an UNARMED WOMAN who was a 14 year veteran of the U. S. Air Force who had served three tours in Iraq. WHY WAS SHE SHOT? Had this been a BLM "protest" and an unarmed cockroach had been shot, cities across the U. S. would be burning.
She should have been living in a mental institution, she was shot because our system fails mentally ill individuals.
@Year3000 Wow, you diagnosed her form your living room chair, you should receive the Nobel Prize for Psychology **sarcasm**.
You clearly don’t have friends in the military. We let our vets down to rot in the streets often. It’s disgusting these people defended our freedom with the ultimate sacrifice and you think it’s a joke?
@Year3000 I am a veteran and NO I don't think it's a joke. She was not mentally ill, she was just pissed at her government, and her government killed her.
She clearly had mental problems, to break into the Capital when she knew she would get hurt. Her self harming behavior, and delusions, should have been dealt with to help the young woman. Our country failed her and that’s why she was shot to answer the question you asked.
@Year3000 So, every BLM protestor is mentally ill in your book? I have to agree with you there.
She should have been given free medications, and Medicare for mental evaluations, inpatient and psychiatric care, it’s just sad that our country can’t help people down like that.
The BLM protestors or protesters that were self destructive clearly had mental problems duh.
She should’ve complied with orders.
You wanna know something ironic? Are you a Black Lives Matter person? Well, how about I pull up George Floyd's records and show you how he once robbed a pregnant woman at gun point while holding a gun to her belly?
What about I bring up Jacob Blake's record when he forcefully inserted his fingers inside of his ex girlfriend's vagina to smell it to see if she was cheating or not?
I'm no trump supporter by a far mile but dont you think what they did is kind of a little bit worse than writing a few childish tweets?
No Google I’m not a “blm” person but I consider myself a liberal.
Yeah, they did bad things, but in the moments of their death, those things didn’t matter and they didn’t deserve to die in that moment.
George Floyd didn’t resist arrest and was killed brutally.
However, with Ashli, she was told to stand back but she repeatedly ignored their orders, and it lead to her death. She would still be alive today if she had listened.
I’m not arguing with you I am replying as civilly as I can.
Did you watch the body cam footage of George Floyd? He was so high at the time of his arrest and he also threw himself out of the police car when police put him inside of it.
That still did not justify the cop crushing his neck.
What happened to "she would still be alive if she complied?" You see color and it's pretty gross honestly. I would get behind everyone and say, yeah she put others in danger by behaving stupid but at the same time, I won't sound hypocritical or contradicting by saying "George Floyd didn't deserve to die." When in reality, both of these people are actually kind of stupid.
Bro what? The situations are completely different tho. If they were reversed I’d be saying the same thing. The difference is, George Floyd did not try and break into a government building during a democratic process. They were getting him over a forged 20 dollar bill which is far less severe.
I’m not saying she should have died at all, it sucks that she did, she should have stopped trying to climb the window.
Yeah but once again, where is that argument? "She would still be alive if she complied?" Because had George Floyd not thrown himself out of the police car, he would technically still be alive. Also, I feel like honest reason you are sharing this is because she is white. The reason you are defending George Floyd is because he is black when in reality, George Floyd was a terrible person. I wouldn't label anyone good for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman's belly.
"That still did not justify the cop crushing his neck." - I absolutely agree with you.
Yeah but I have no remorse for people that hurt women. I'm sorry.
I’m white dude. Lol. Did you think I was black? I’m not. I’m literally white.
Also, people say “she/he should have complied” to people of color all the time. But when it’s to a white person, it’s suddenly invalid?
You cannot compare an act of treason to a forged 20 dollar bill.
I understand though. I can’t stand people who hurt women either. However, them hurting women did not have anything to do with them dying.
I can tell that you don't. They died under different circumstances and for different reasons. I'm not saying that George Floyd was a saint but he certainly didn't deserve to die just because he was black.
I'm just saying I can't bring myself to care about a person (any color) when they hurt females to a point of almost rape. I would consider forcefully inserting your fingers into a vagina rape. Wouldn't you? Jacob Blake did that. I honestly wouldn't be able to care no matter how hard I tried if something bad happened to them which it did.
Also "I'm white dude." That doesn't surprise me one bit. The most racial people I have ever come across have been white females by a mile. Don't ask me for stories.
@menina Exactly my point. They weren’t saints but the way they died was inexcusable. In Ashli’s instance, she was warned several times, and was committing a far greater crime.
How would you feel about a white guy pointing a gun to your pregnant belly? Then find out he died by police brutality? It's pretty sad I have to mention he's White to you so you can see the idea I'm trying to get across to you. People who do bad things shouldn't be surprised when bad things come to them.
You see. You might think it's no big deal to point a gun there to a pregnant woman but it is huge. It will scare you beyond belief. Beyond your worst nightmares.
I don’t consider myself radical, Google. I’m just giving my opinion. I understand why you’d be mad about that though. But I’m trying to get you to understand that their harm against women isn’t the reason they had the police on them. It was something completely different.
@starrycrossing "Also, people say “she/he should have complied” to people of color all the time. But when it’s to a white person, it’s suddenly invalid?" "You cannot compare an act of treason to a forged 20 dollar bill." - You're 100% right.
Sadly, I feel like I understand more than you do and I'm a guy. Pointing a gun to pregnant woman's belly and you die in an unfair way. I'm sorry but I don't feel bad for that person regardless of your skin color.
@starrycrossing Exactly. And she didn't die because of her skin color.
Situation is complicated. But I feel like you’re misunderstanding me. Him pointing a gun to a pregnant woman me belly is awful, disgusting, but, it had nothing to do with how he died, and, the cop had no idea he did that when he was crushing his neck. It was completely irrelevant to the events leading up to his death.
Pretend George Floyd is a white guy so you understand when I truthfully say "I have no remorse or sorrow if you hurt any female psychologically like that."
I didn’t say that I had remorse or sorrow either, I was replying to you in a logical standpoint. Also, if he were white, I’d be saying the same thing.
Lol don't even argue about this. It's impossible for most people not to be hypocritical in their judgement of these cases, or completely dishonest.
What happened to Floyd was completely unjustified and it was second degree murder. I've heard from a source that Floyd was sleeping with the officer's mother, which is potentially a motive for murder (not saying that's okay, that's absolutely insane and a proper response would be to just chat and move on) however I'm unsure if a 1st degree murder charge will hold in court, I think they'll get him for second degree though and I sure hope that they do because what happened was no accident.
She stormed the capital. If a BLM supporter had done that, they would be called a terrorist immediately. But because she's conservative and a woman and white, we have this debate over if she was a patriot or traitor.
I mean i am all for protest but she and the others were just dumb. Protesting is good but rioting bad
She was dumb. Had it would of been a BLM protest they wouldn’t have made it in the building without getting shot period. That’s shows white privilege at its finest. Trump their racist leader lost the election because more people voted for Biden. You can’t just storm a federal building and rush a federal agent and expect nothing to happen. We have laws in place for a reason.
I mis-voted.
I don't think she was patriot.
We should not speak ill of dead. So I am not gonna chose option one as well. She was a misguided soul, betrayed by those she thought were her well-wishers.
Trump is solely responsible for her death. He should be held responsible.
She was a traitor but she no doubt died believing she was a patriot. Because she believed the lies of the alt-right media. She was a programmed Q-Anon drone.
And she was murdered by Donald Trump.
Neither. She was trespassing, but she didn't deserve to die. Neither did the Capitol building police officer who was just doing his job. Zero winners in this scenario. Sad all around.
Stupid games when stupid prize he came there with a mob to destroy and kill.
If she wanted to protest sand out side with a sign.
Win.
Everyone who broke into the Capitol building is a traitor and guilty. of treason. I don't carevth as t shevwas shot. Everyone who broke in who wasn't shot should consider themselves lucky. She got exactly what she deserved. Even if she hadn't posted what she did, I would still feel the same.
@Twalli She was worth 1,000 George Floyds.
@KrakenAttackin She also committed treason and was part if an attempted coup.
Had this been a coup attempt the demonstrators would have showed up armed and used deadly force.
It makes me laugh when the left talks about "Treason", as the left commits three acts of Treason before drinking their morning coffee.
@KrakenAttackin a coup. is not inherently violent. It is an attempt to overthrow the government.
@Twalli. Like the FBI did during the election of Trump? That kind of coup?
@KrakenAttackin I was just telling you that a coup can be bloodless
Look I'm not saying that she deserved to die or that I am happy about it but... What the hell did she expect? For me she is a traitor and an idiot.
Reading her asinine Twitter post, she sounds like a parody of a Trumptard. What an embarrassing way to die, fighting for lies told by a fucking, narcissistic clown. Rot in Hell, Ashli :)
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She was a patriot, once upon a time. A woman who believed in her country. Unfortunately that same woman was brainwashed by her shitty president and corrupt media into believing lies and those lies led to her becoming a traitor.
considering she was an air force veteran , she damn well knew better, obviously she learned nothing in the military. i am sorry that she died, over a man that didn't give a damn about her. but she had to have known about breaching white house security. Trump has literally brainwashed his followers.
She put her life on the line in the military. She believed in freedom she was a hero. She got killed because of others who chose to instigate this and that cop who killed her should be charged with murder those cops let her lay there and die and did not help her.
If you're going to run into an area full of nervous armed Americans, you've got to expect things like this will happen.
Amen