Yes. As a member of the LGBTQ community and as a person that identifies as asexual I can understand the existence of gender pronouns, the purpose of gender pronouns, and the importance of gender pronouns. For example I personally use he/him pronouns because of my experiences with my self sexual identity but I can totally understand why someone would chose other pronouns based on their experiences either with their self sexual identity or their body. It makes sense why people might choose different pronouns based on their decisions especially after a gender change or whatever the person decides to undergo since that person is not just deciding about changing gender but is also dedicating the time, the effort, and the commitment to the process along with the money as well. As society continues to advance the expected population of the LGBTQ is expected to grow over time due to an expected growth in sexual identities changing either physically and/or non physically so it makes sense that the need for gender pronouns for clarity will grow over time and not just for supporting pronouns non verbally by writing your preferred pronouns on stuff.
The problems with these pronouns bullshit is that your forcing people to participate in your own delusions. And you are asking people to disregard the meaning of words and ask them to arbitrarily assign the meaning of words that you make up. I won't participate in the pronouns because I am not going to accommodate anybody's delusions about what words mean and what reality is. For instance, if you want to use 'they', we are supposed to pretend the meaning of 'they' is temporarily suspended and something arbitrary that you make up on the spot? NO. Words mean things and you cannot change the definitions of words or make up words, simply because you are too fragile to handle reality. One's inability to deal with reality and truth is a personal problem. It ain't mine and I will not participate in a charade simply to validate some fragile persons, ego or power trip. My biggest problem with this whole shitshow is we are being forced to pretend that things are not what they are. Kids play pretend, adults need to deal with reality. And in this postmodernist nightmare we live in, reality is taking a backseat to people's personal power trips. "Say my pronouns, or you are being violent to me." <- That's a backhanded way of saying 'SUBMIT or I will shame you.' If y'all want to pretend go to fairyland. I am stuck in the real world.
I try to use proper grammar the way I was taught. My grammar might not be the best in the world, but I know that he / him / his are masculine, and she / her / hers are feminine. Anything else is pure BS.
If we simply let people make up their own grammar, we should just stop teaching grammar altogether. We should stop teaching language altogether. Let everyone call a tree a nalgof if they want.
I guess I didn't answer the question. HELL NO I don't respect some stupid moron who can't figure out the difference between a boy and a girl. Even people with an IQ of 30 can figure that out. Even most of the lowest forms of life can figure that out. Even plants can figure it out.
Now then, what shall we call Los Angeles? How about calling it Je Angeles? Or should everyone get to make up their own name for the city?
Pronouns are linguistic tools that we used to refer to people, not gender.
I'm not sure what you mean by people making up their own grammar, because the use of pronouns that aren't strictly used under the she/her/he/him category.
Pronouns are in a sense nicknames, they are alternative ways to refer to someone. So weither a person decides to use she/hers he/hims they/thems and anything else, is completely up to them as it is what they personally choose to identify with and are comfortable being referred to as.
Also, your example with a tree isn't conclusive as trees have no way of naming themselves or choosing how to identify themselves as they aren't conscious beings. That's why humans give them scientific names.
This argument is for personal pronouns, not scientific classifications.
And the rest of your argument just seems to be you going off on a tangent, that doesn't hold up your argument.
Thanks for calling me a moron, that just proves to me you donât like it when people challenge your beliefs even though your beliefs are very weak.
Your response isnât even factually based, itâs just painfully obvious that your butthurt about me actually being educated on what Iâm talking about.
You go onto say Iâm making up my own rules without actually giving me and solid evidence as to what exactly your definition of the rules of pronoun usage are because you know youâre wrong.
At the end of the day I can conclude youâre arguments bs because if you actually had a well thought out argument youâd be able to actually explain it to me without getting mad at me and calling me âa fucking moronâ
Iâm 14, but Iâm going to be the bigger person and wish you a great rest of your day âșïž
Sure! Although, I probably won't get it right the first time I meet them and i'm okay with that, and I'm also okay being corrected.
I've known people that go by their non birth names, we make allowances for Kathryn's to be called Kate or Katie, or every now and then people like Richard want to be called "Dick" or William to go by "Billy" I mean, who in the hell came up with that one? It's nothing a like and you wouldn't even know based on well, anything.
Do I like being "told what to do" no, but I really don't see this as an extension of some authoritarian left wing movement. I just see a person, who to be perfectly honest, probably already dresses in a way that indicates some level of memorable non-conformity. Pronouns so rarely come up in person. Just learn the person's name, address them respectfully, and if you get it wrong behind their back, its not the end of the world.
Nope, no one called me a prophet when I was 10, or "the shadow" when I was going through my goth phase. I feel like my right to identify as a messenger of god, or the absence of light were trampled at such a tender age, and you can't prove or disprove either one.
Then certainly something that can be proven, like the presence of a Y chromosome along with or the absence of matching genitals would be a personal problem, much like my inability to suck the air out of other people's lungs at range.
So, call me god, worship me, give me back that lost glory of my youth, and I'll call you whatever you want. Fair is fair. Or give me the ability to suck the air out of other people's lungs that are up to 10 km away.
Pronouns donât have a gender. Pronouns are used in place of a proper noun (like someoneâs name). They arenât used in place of someoneâs respective gender.
In language arts? If so your teacher didnât teach you right and itâs common for schools not to teach stuff correctly.
They just teach to pump out perfect factory workers and not for stuff like individuality, so I suggest you not believe in a handful of the stuff your school teaches you and take the time to do your own research on the subject
Since I am rather uneducated and you know more about this subject, why don't you explain it here for my benefit and for the benefit of everyone else who might read this.
Do you realize this refusal would get you terminated by all US corporations of any size? If you expressed this in an interview with my company it would be "Strong No-Hire", and you would be put on a no-call list. If someone behaved this way toward another employee, they would be terminated after maybe one warning. University professors and public school teachers have been dismissed for it. In polite society it's as unacceptable as the n-word and other racial epithets.
Gender dysphoria is a *mental* illness. There is nothing wrong with the body, it's all in the head. And I won't contribute to that crap either. If that's what I have to do to be around a person I just won't be around. It's so incredibly destructive to feed these false narratives.
@Birdlegs I can't speak for him, but I'm not sure if they meant it that way. I think they where just explaining that the use of pronouns are more respected nowadays and failing to use them isn't accepted much like not hiring someone because of their race.
Lol. I'm not sure if it's actual mental illness, but it's at the very best, narcissistic. These people are so far up their own arses, they think they're the centre of the universe.
It' not accepted? Look at the tally on likes and dislikes for my opinion. I have 24 likes and only 6 dislikes. 80% of the users on here agree with me. We are not concerned about offending the snowflake sensibilities of the 20% who are too delicate to tolerate being called by the correct pronouns.
What are you talking about? How can the pronouns "he" or "she" not be based on gender? And they aren't used in place of people's names! What if you're referring to a man or woman whose name you don't know?
@OlderAndWiser Iâm not taking the time to educate someone who obviously doesnât want to be educated, if you want to hear my argument you can go and read the rest of the many threads I have on this post.
Your arguments not unique and has been said many times before.
@Sincerly_KittyCat Yes we have a 14 year old girl telling us how stupid and uneducated we are. It's quite laughable since she has no idea how much formal education I have and she does not know that I am sometimes hired to write for other attorneys because of my legal AND language skills.
@OlderAndWiser I never said anything about thinking I was wiser than anyone here, Iâm just saying my own personal opinion and you happened to deduct that opinion on your own from what Iâve said
Oh for goodness sake. Grow up. Even if English isn't your first language, you should know about nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjectives, etc. You're just being contentious.
@OlderAndWiser My view honestly is that from the beginning of forever men were males and women were females. Its only recently that people arw using the them/they thing which I dont understand its either your a man or a woman, there are only 2 genders. So its confusing to me I don't know. I just avoid these arguments because at times it goes no where and its exhausting.
@doopayo "In language arts? If so your teacher didnât teach you right and itâs common for schools not to teach stuff correctly." What else does that mean?
Watching a 14 year old claim to know so much about education and society is just flat entertaining. And she used the pronoun âyouâ in the question. Should I be offended?đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
@OlderAndWiser I meant that the use of pronouns arenât restricted to specific genders and language arts doesnât even say anything about it having anything to do with that. Itâs called personal pronouns not gender pronouns for a reason. Itâs for what a person chooses to use not what a persons gender needs to use
@LoveMeSomeBoys I never claimed anything about that, Iâm simply voicing my opinion and youâre bringing up age? And the pronoun you is considered gender neutral so no. But youâre being sarcastic I guess
@Sincerly_KittyCat The "singular they" permits a singular antecedent, but is used with the same (plural) verb forms as plural they, and has the same inflected forms as plural they (i. e. them, their, and theirs), except that in the reflexive form, themself is sometimes used instead of themselves.
In English, he/him/his are used when referring to a guy and she/her/hers are used when referring to a girl. Yes, pronouns have a gender, at least in English. And there is some argument in this country whether someone who is a male but "identifies as a female is entitled to be referred to with female pronouns instead of male pronouns. It reflects this insistence that we should support the male's mistaken belief that "he" is actually a "she."
@doopayo when using a singular they/them its in the circumstances of not knowing whether if the individual is a man or a woman. For example : whoever sent me this letter they have bad writing. This situations shows that you dont know the individuals identity.
Hey guys Iâm back @Sincerly_KittyCat Iâm cracking up that she looked it up and copied and pasted that definition in here đ Iâll bet my life no freshman in highschool could explain that in laymanâs terms
@Birdlegs of course Iâm going to look it up and copy and paste, this conversation is not going anywhere so Iâm not going to put any effort in something thatâs doomed to fail.
@Birdlegs oh okay! These they/them singular use have been a recent century thing but specifying someones sex or gender or whatever have always been a distinct thing. I am just explaining, my views I dont want to upset anyone. But just because its updated doesn't mean its the traditional practice.
@Sincerely_KittyCat. You nailed it. So did you @Birdlegs. English is a dynamic language, but it is not like pantyhose and condoms - one size does not fit all.
When everyone else is telling you that you are wrong. . . you should seriously entertain the possibility that YOU may actually be wrong. And denying one thousand times that you are wrong won't make you right.
To end it all if someone use whatever pronoun thats them they have that right however I have my right to use it or not. If i think you're a he/she i will use that the them/they thing to me is incorrect you're either or in my mind so ill use whatever but to prevent the drama i'll just use your name. GOODNIGHT EVERYONE BE SAFE LOTS OF LOVE †TO EVERYONE!!!
@OlderAndWiser just because I have a different opinion from you guys doesnât mean that Iâm wrong, it just means that Iâm a human being capable of having my own separate beliefs â
That's like doing maths wrong, and saying your answers are acceptable. English grammar, and the meanings of words, is fixed. I don't want to argue, but correct use of English isn't debatable. It's either right or wrong. People pronouns are gender specific.
What would you say the difference is between using someone's preferred pronouns and waiting for someone with OCD to do whatever "tick" makes them comfortable?
I think they're pretty much the same. I also doubt you'll change them or cure them no matter what you you do. However, you could make them more comfortable by feeding into what you think is a delusion or unnecessary but (I believe) they perceive as true or a necessity.
@doopayo And 26 year old guys don't have midlife crises, either.
Also, since you purport to be an expert on grammar, why did you say "if you where so wise. . ." instead of "if you WERE so wise. . ?"
I began this conversation with the hope that you would approach this in an adult manner but my expectations were set too high. I really don't want to hear from you again for a few years; understand?
@OlderAndWiser When I saw you saying that, thereâs this crazy thing. Iâm not sure if youâve heard of it before but itâs called not giving a fuck. You should try it sometime.
@slatyb. I listened to plenty of didn't from her and she insists on giving me and others a lesson on the English language, although she is 14 years old and English is not her native language. She became quite repetitive and refused to listen to three or four other users who tried to explain to her why she was wrong.
I respect my fellow man as a person with their own unique personality and perspective and treat others with that mindset, but I will not encourage maladaptive behaviors in my society no matter how many feelings might be hurt. Accepting and trying to help those with a mental disorder is different from accepting, encouraging, and even praising it. Your pronoun to me is assigned to you by the gender you were born with, Male or Female. We can still treat others with kindness and respect but addressing someone with the right pronouns has nothing to do with what true kindness and respect is.
Depends on what you call "respect." They have a right to refer to themselves and other people any way they want. But they do not have a right to tell me how I have to refer to other people.
This is a critical distinction because there is an authoritarian cancel-culture movement in this country that thinks it has a right to tell other people what they are allowed and not allowed to think and what they are allowed and not allowed to say. This is a dangerous and evil movement that threatens the liberty of every person.
No. I won't use a pronoun that they object to. I won't challenge them or be disrespectful. I just won't be around them. I'll leave. This trans thing is really making me sick. I don't care to humor them. I don't care if that makes 0.005% of people cry.
Yes. Using someone's preferred name/pronoun is basic human respect. It doesn't take any more effort for someone to say "he" v "she" v "they" v a different pronoun. The type of genitals someone has is no one else's business and they should be allowed to be referred to as they please.
If someone is trans I respect that and of course I will refer to them as there chosen gender. Also if I can't tell someones gender I'll play it safe and refer to them as "them" just because it's polite not because of any political reasons. I just believe in respecting others as to how I'd like to be.
As for everything else I'm not changing my vocabulary for anyone
Yes I would use their pronouns. I may forget, I canât help it sometimes, I have society norms ingrained into my head. But I wonât go out of my way to purposely use the wrong pronoun. If I did I would apologize, and move on, assuming they wouldnât want me to make a big deal out of it.
It's not up to you nor anyone to dictate what I say and do not say. Neither could you enforce it anyway even if you tried. So the whole concept is ridiculous. And "identifying" yourself by different pronouns do not change what you objectively are, simple logic, simple facts, simple reality. Enough said, period, end of discussion.
It's literally just using a different word to make someone more comfortable. It takes way less effort than getting triggered about being asked to use a different word, grow up
@KimmyKimchi It's not about being triggered, and the only ones who needs to grow up are the ones too disillusioned to accept reality as it is, those who need their safe spaces as soon as they aren't described as non-binary fire foxes.. And it is hardly only a debate about being "asked", the liberal and radical left side would force us all if they could, and we have abundant examples of harrasment or being cursed out as soon as someone isn't fond of the idea to sacrifice truth and fact on the altar of "tolerance". And people with this illness of mind aren't comfortable, they suffer psychologically, more so when people cater to their illusions rather than helping them deal with them. The suicide rates between transgenders for example, have been up around 40%. And it has *not* been due to "lack of acceptance".
So I'd say something more important than grow up to you; educate yourself.
How many people like this have you actually met? How often does that actually happen?
In my experience when someone is referred to by the wrong pronouns they normally just politely correct the, "oh, actually it's 'her'" or something like that.
I've literally never seen someone have a meltdown over it. Usually the response to someone intentionally using the wrong pronouns is just "wow that guys a dick, huh?"
@KimmyKimchi Your own experiences are far too limited to constitute the norm, so it's not an effecient argument to make. And yes, there has been incidents like this on my campus. We also have have the Christian baker example sued for not wanting to cater a gay wedding, we have reports on how conservative students have been harrassed and beaten down for their views on biology, genders, or simply for being conservative. And the example of the student who was angrily disqualified from the school debate for quoting Jordan Peterson on these matters. All exempli gratia of what I mentioned, when refusing to abandon truth and facts. Someone's comfort doesn't matter more than they do.
And as an additional inference on the subject as a whole I'd recommend this short clip: https://youtu.be/44pERGAaKHw
Yes, free speech protects you but not from everything and anything. In the context that I'm assuming that you're referring to this; If you choose not to respect someone's pronouns than that of course is your choice. However, if you continue to disrespect someone by not using the pronouns that they use than that can definitely be considered harassment in the court of law.
Also, I'd like to clarify that no one here is trying to bring up or even make the argument that the use of pronouns changes someones biological gender. Pronouns are nothing but a way that people choose to and are comfortable expressing themselves, just like someone's name.
You're given a name at birth, however if you want to change that name once you're older. You're allowed to do so, and by your logic if someone chooses a new name that's not conventional and you yourself do not agree with that name, than you will not use that name.
And if anything, that's disrespectful and self-centered. It takes less than a second to get a persons pronouns right yet because you feel obligated and compelled to the point that you won't accept the way another person decides to identify themselves.
Just because you don't believe in the use of non-traditional pronouns doesn't believe that "simple logic, simple reality, and simple facts" defend your argument.
These are weak claims, and i'm a little confused on how your argument is that simple logic, reality, and facts are stuff that defend your argument when your argument contains absolutely zero of any of those things in it?
No, free speech doesn't protect you from anything and anyone but neither did I make that claim, so to make the argument of the extreme is irrelevant.
Good, really good. It makes me glad that the argument of biology alteration isn't being attempted, because it sure does exist among liberal circles.
But you both seem to get stuck in this believed "case closed" retort of it "only taking a second" to call someone by their "preferred" pronoun. But let's just clarify that first, I do not just view the use of pronouns as the use of pronouns and nothing else. Neither is the large debate on this matter solely about what is used and not, it strikes me as odd that the two of you seem to think political discourse is centered around nothing else but semantics. This isn't the case. The issue of pronouns pertains inescapeably to the issue of the lgbtq community, transsexualism and identity politics.
So at the get go our premises differ. To call an obvious he a she, or vice versa, or to call a he and it, this is to pretend, and to stop caring about the truth that you can't just be nor become what you call yourself. And let us say that I encounter someone who quite obviously by all physical characteristics is a he, and I greet him as such, "what's up man", and he tells me no, I'm a she, you must call me a she. Then no, I won't. I won't drag on and call him a he deliberately for the rest of the day, *that* would be harassment as you mentioned. But it is against my beliefs as Christian and as a man of facts and truth to redefine what is and isn't real. That is not me intruding on his freedom, it is me exercising mine.
"Just because you don't believe in the use of non-traditional pronouns doesn't believe that "simple logic, simple reality, and simple facts" defend your argument." I'm not sure what the argument here is really. My argument is that I base my interactions on reality and biological truths, that does in the largest degree defend my argument.
So what exactly, are you claiming isn't reality and fact in what I say and argue? Since you so assuredly stated my words contain zero of it.
In my native language it doesn't make sense to refer to someone as "they/them" or "him/her". But if I'm talking to someone who is an English speaker, then I'll use the pronouns they prefer, I respect that.
I'm all for civility and getting along with people if I can, but it's becoming tough when I see things like cancel culture with trans activists and critical theorists as their vanguards at the forefront. There are certain contexts where I find it necessary to distinguish biological sex from gender identity, and the space broadens if activists continue to be so hasty to label anyone of dissenting opinions as a cissexist or a transphobe.
For example, I do not want to date "women with a penis". I'm concerned about trans athletes in women's sports when a Mary Gregory can break four women's powerlifting world records in a single day. This is where I feel the need to make a biological distinction initially. Yet when I'm called transphobic or cissexist as a result, it doesn't exactly tempt me to respect people's gender identities when speaking openly about my concerns. I would like to respect the trans community but the activists are making it very difficult for me to do so. At some point, I'm tempted to be like the rest and start distinguishing "real women" or "real men" from "fake women" and "fake men". You push me into a corner and I can't be civil anymore.
Same with people who identify as non-binary, or gender-fluid types, and so forth. It'd be nice to get to know them and see past their identities into their skills, passions, mutual interests. But it seems like I'm caught in an ideological war and if I'm forced to pick sides, I'll go with objectivity over subjectivity any day if people force my hand.
There is a genuine issue here as I see it in that if you come out openly today as gay or bi, chances are that you will get to keep your job. You might even find a whole lot of people welcoming you. You state that you refuse to date anyone who isn't cis and that can genuinely cost you your job. I just became aware of this "super straight" movement the other day, and while I realize it's kind of a troll movement, it has a point in this sense. The people indoctrinated into gender studies and queer studies seem more of a threat to free speech today than even religious evangelicals were a few decades ago.
I guess if someone called jane asked me to call her kate I would accept that. So if someone want to be called with some pronouns I would respect that. But they should be tolerant as well if i messed up with the pronouns because it can be a confusing calling a he a she or so...😵
Right, but it's not physical strength that matters these days. Fifty years or so ago, it stopped mattering. Today one's success is largely determined by intelligence and additionally by education and opportunity. "Knock someone's butt on the ground" and the next thing you know you'll be attending and paying for court-ordered anger management classes to keep your ass out of jail.
Hey, if they want to refer to themselves in third person, more power to them. I don't care so long as it isn't forced upon me to follow suit or telling me to call them as such.
I will refer to you in the context of your birth name and gender at all times. Never by pronoun unless it's to be used in appropriate grammatical context.
If I am talking to them directly yes, but normally i use there biological pronouns like if Iâm talking about Eliot page I will still call her she because she is a she biology not psychology determines whether you should be called a she or a he. otherwise what is a woman what does a man do you things does not exist.
I respect it, but it's confusing to me so makes up prblms I mean when a man says he wants to be called "she" and by mistake i call the man 'he" it's insulting and offensive or anything like that But I'm not gonna really remember what to call u , right? I got other things to do
the only time mispronouning someone would be disrespectful is if you act as if it's the other persons fault for doing that and etc as well as purposely continue to mispronoun that person but if you do it on accident it's totally fine as we're humans and make mistakes. Just makes sure to be respectful and correct yourself once you catch your mistake and they'll appreciate it a lot.
Not all r same Such people face so many racists and sexists That they think all r the same... and I don't blame them for that... bcoz the majority is what they face like that.. But It's just I'm not gonna run behind explaining and justifying myself
Of course. I don't know how I'd use emojis as pronouns irl tho and most nounself pronouns confuse me so... I don't know I'd try ig. She, he or they though I'd definitely try to get right.
well I think she he they them are fine. if you dont feel like a he or she then you are neither and when talking about you (kate was nice they bought me a beer) I think that works fine but if we go beyond and infinity that you say my pronouns are ir, ergi im just gonna say just fuck off that is plain retarded (names are bit different if you look like arnold carboncopy and you wanna be called kate that is fine)
I have no X/Y cross-wires within my sphere where this would even be a thing to concern myself over. I mean, if one entered my sphere they would likely do an immediate about face and avoid me and my ilk just as I would do the same if I happened upon a pussy hat parade.
If they ask politely then I'll probably oblige just out of social decorum, but I won't be dictated to by the Twitter Pronoun Police. I don't understand the obsession with pronouns lately, their function in English language is ancillary, they're not supposed to say some profound shit about gender identity.
Yes. It takes less effort to accommodate a pronoun than it takes to open a door for somebody behind you. The social consequences for intentionally not doing so should be the same.
Nope. We are born male or female and there are no other genders or sexes. People need to learn to accept what cannot be changed and our sex is one of those things. I'm not going to call a dude a woman or a woman a dude.
Sure, as long as the person is realistic and civil about it. I had a situation where a friend came out as non-binary, then gotten depressed when I accidentally called them by their old pronoun. They shut down for the rest of the day, even after I corrected myself and apologized. Itâs unrealistic to expect everyone to conform to your wants, and downright childish to expect them to do so instantaneously and without flaw.
As a person with diagnosed depression, I'm not sure they where depressed as depression isn't something that happens that quickly in most cases. Maybe they've gone threw a lot of trauma because of the way that they choose to personally identify themselves and you mispronouning them brought that trauma back up.
Other than that, I agree with you completely. Changing pronouns is a big deal as pronouns are something that are a big part of your identity as it's literally what people refer to you as so some people might take a while to fully get used to and adjust to referring to you as your new pronouns so at the end of the day as long as the other person is respectful and realizes their mistake and apologizes as well as vice versa with the person being nice enough to educate the other person than it should absolutely go along well without any issues
If you know the person then sure why not. But if you don't know the person and to all intents and purposes they look male/female by conventional means then he/she should be good, unless you're told by them otherwise.
I dunno but I agree with the rest of the people. Youâre either born male or female and pronouns will be used accordingly. I donât know why anyone entertains such discussions anyway.
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sure if i know what they want to be called. But when they get in my face because I "mistakenly" said yes sir, to an obvious biological male and wasn't aware they wanted to be called female, then we're done. I'll knock a bitch out who comes at me for shit like that. If they wanna be respected, they gotta show some respect back and stop assuming everyone knows wtf they want to be identified as. If we don't know, it doesn't mean we wanna start shit.
Depends on the pronouns. I'm cool calling a trans person by the gender they identify as. But I'm not calling someone a they or whatever else is used. For me it's any male or female pronouns.
Yes, on the condition that they respect mine, it's a bit unusual but I really want for people to use it even if it sounds silly - "Sua Eccellenza", " Her Excellency".
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People in the West have life so easy , they make up problems for themselves.
And now thatâs just a generalization of all people who choose to put their pronouns in their bio. I also can guarantee you that I havenât heard of any issues of people getting fired from their job because of pronouns unless itâs in regards to them messing up a persons pronouns intentionally as a way to disrespect them
Yes, that's what I've been trying to tell you and the thousands of other people in this thread. So thanks for telling me one of the main points to my argument, I guess?
Right! I find it sad that people think that they know a person better than that person knows themselves. Disrespecting someone's pronouns is the same as disrespecting someone's name. You can't just change someone's name because you think it's wrong but this thread just doesn't get that sadly.
No it's disrespectful to ask people to remember your own internalized nonsense. You'll be addressed as whatever physical sex you present as, deal with it.
When it comes to them forcing others to fall in make belief no. I have no respect for peole who have mental issues and denying the true pronouns. Male and female. Dont believe in trans and dont believe in unicorn.
Yeah I respect that, you can choose your pronoun it's your decision but if you're a male using a female pronoun I'm still gonna use male pronouns when I address you because it's my decision and we have freedom of speech.
Not seeing that. In the past we formally recognized different levels/flavors of being each gender. Simply being a "female" didn't give anyone power/special position or respect. Same with being "male". They had respectful terms like Lady/Gentleman, Hero, Champion, and so on to describe people who actually did more with their lives than just get born and whine about needing free stuff.
Thereâs only a male and female species on this earth, will i be Nice on some days yes but will I leave the cashier saying âthank you sirâ nicely on some days to a man dressed as a woman that i see so potential in randomly yes.
Hahaha, what a silly concept Its him or her and if you a tran, its whatever you look like since that's easier for me. I can't be arsed memorizing every bloody term
I do, so long as they aren't made up words. I respect people's right to self-define their gender regardless of birth sex, but we can all stick to he-she-they.
No, of course not. I have three pronouns; male, female, and neuter. I'll use the one you present as, in my opinion. Don't like the one I use? Don't talk to me.
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