CHAUVIN GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES?

[msc545]

So Derek Chauvin was just found guilty on all charges in murdering George Floyd. This includes second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and manslaughter, and he may get as much as 40 years in prison. He is going to be sentenced in about eight weeks. What sentence do you think he deserves and what do you think about the verdicts

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The responsibility really rests with the people that let Chauvin become a cop in the first place, and let him remain a cop after the first few use of force complaints. Chauvin has a personality disorder that any trained person could diagnose in about 5 minutes, and that is not his fault as he was born that way. The real fault is in being so incompetent as to not recognize it or to recognize it and decide it wouldn't be a problem. The result is that Chauvin's life is ruined, and Floyd is dead.

[matchrestore]

We had Minnesota Public Radio on at work waiting for the verdict to be read. When Cahill started reading the verdict everyone stopped dead in their tracks to listen to the verdict. We're all happy with the verdict. The State presented a strong case and while I would stop short of calling this justice, it is very good to finally see accountability.

There's still a lot of work to do. The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act of 2020 is a obvious next step. The City of Minneapolis creating an unarmed traffic enforcement department is another good next step that I hope happens, both in Minneapolis and in other jurisdictions around the world.

Black Lives Matter.

[msc545]

Good. Time to stop hiring uneducated psychopaths as cops

[OlderAndWiser]

I don't have an opinion on the verdicts as I have not reviewed all of the evidence and I certainly don't trust the MSM to give us a reliable synopsis. The verdicts may be just and proper, based upon a review of all the evidence, but I am also concerned that the jury may have reacted to the comment by the idiot Maxine Waters, the verdict may be set aside, and we may need to wait for a second trial of this case.

[OlderAndWiser]

Response to update: Perhaps I am alone in this, but I have not followed the case at all. What is the personality disorder to which you refer?

[msc545]

Anti-Social, with probable minor narcissism as a co-morbid.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yeah, he should have stood out like a sore thumb!

[msc545]

You would think. If nothing else he almost had to have a very abnormal MMPI.

[msc545]

Maybe they didn't bother giving him one...

[goaded]

Weren't Maxine Waters' comments made after the trial started, when the jury shouldn't have been following the news? They weren't sequestered, yet, but still. Secondly, it's important what she said, and where she said it.

Here's what she said. It was not from the podium, but to reporters in an interview.
"“I’m going to fight with all of the people who stand for justice,” Waters told reporters at the Saturday demonstration. “We’ve got to get justice in this country and we cannot allow these killings to continue.”

When asked what protesters should do moving forward, Waters said “We’ve got to stay on the street and we’ve got to get more active, we’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”

Waters told reporters “I hope we’re going to get a verdict that will say guilty, guilty, guilty,” in the Chauvin trial. “And if we don’t, we cannot go away.”"
www.nationalreview.com/.../

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIS48447Q-w

[OlderAndWiser]

@goaded She is not a hero. She is an idiot, simply pandering for popularity. Anyone with a brain should know that cases in the court system should be resolved in the court system without public comment by elected officials.

Trump was skewered alive, and impeached, in part because of his January 6 comment: ""We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said. Anyone who tries to suggest that his comments were incendiary, and Waters comments were not, is a damned liar.

[goaded]

I never said she was a hero, or even that her comments were well judged. I said, despite what the right-wing press is claiming, she seems to only have said it to journalists at the protest, not the crowd, and I asked if the jury had been told not to follow news by the time she made them.

Trump's speech wasn't the be-all and end-all of his incitement, there was also the months of lying about the election, claiming he could only lose if it were stolen, and then claiming it was stolen when he lost. There wouldn't have been anybody there, if he'd simply accepted defeat last year.

George Floyd, on the other hand, certainly died with a policeman's knee on his neck for a long time, and that's unacceptable.

[OlderAndWiser]

@goaded You are always right, and there is never any room for doubt.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

I haven't followed the case, frankly I don't care. Not in a mean way, but there's so many murder cases at any given time, and I try to keep most of the depressing news stories at a distance. I understand this case has been a cultural focal point in America, and the Left seems to have deified George Floyd as almost like a Black Jesus, so it's difficult to have a level headed discourse about this particular case, because for many bystanders, they consider this conviction an ideological victory for their cause, not just a murder conviction. I have no doubt BLMers would've rioted up a storm and turned American streets into a warzone if Chauvin was acquitted of all charges, or slapped with a manslaughter charge only. So who's to say if jury intimidation played a part in the verdict. But, that all being said, I was as sickened as everyone else seeing the video footage, and I'm glad Chauvin has been convicted, because even if he didn't intend to kill, his handling of the situation was more befitting of a psychotic gang member than an officer of the law. He had every opportunity to remove his knee and actually follow standard procedure for detaining non-compliant or agitated suspects. Yet he chose to sit in that position for TEN. FUCKING. MINUTES, ignoring Floyd's pleas of not being able to breathe. So yeah, on that basis I'm glad he's convicted. But I still don't support the BLM and Antifa movements, which at this point might as well be a unified coalition with its own agendas and aims. Still, it's probably a win for black Americans who fear for their life whenever some racist cop decides they don't "look like they belong" in a particular car, or neighborhood, etc. That said, we don't know if there was a racial motivation to this particular case. All I know is that one HUMAN killed another HUMAN using inhumane and brutal restraint tactic, that flies in the face of police procedure and human decency. So setting aside the racial politics and the rioters and all that noise, I'm glad this guy is going down for this flagrant abuse of authority.

[lightbulb27]

I haven't' read the definitions of those given the jury, so can't judge sentence. 40 years sounds high relative to other killers who to me, did much worse in that they weren't doing a job, but doing crimes and then another crime. This guy as far as I can tell, just "lost it" after being resisted one too many times. I could be wrong, don't know why he did what he did.

What he did was wrong, he knows it now and should be punished. I'd say 5-10 years.

I would do what I would do with most other people. Check him into jail. Figure out what the hell is going on mentally and emotionally and try to fix him so that he is a responsible citizen that can function in society. I'd say the same for most/many cases, especially when police are on the line because theirs, is a higher calling of constant hazard unlike other jobs.

Saves tax $, keep people out of prison to raise their kids as long as they are mentally healthy and responsible citizens and punished for crime. Have him pay the family some $, like a portion of his pension at least. Something like that.

The problem I have is that humans can go off emotionally under stress... see a lot of riot videos, etc.. ... and do something that costs dearly, eternally. That doesn't mean they are a hazard to society in general. It means they have emotional/mental problems at least. They may be, figure that out. People who are a hazard, put them in jail longer.

We feel so good punishing people and finding them at fault. Why don't we feel good saving people? Our system is messed up... it discards broken/stressed/traumatized people who "blow it in a moment" rather than putting them on a better path to recovery to live their life... as long as they aren't a danger to others and pay a price.

Some do belong in jail... if they are a hazard to society.

[msc545]

Chauvin has a personality disorder that he had long before he became a cop. There is no "fixing" people with personality disorders and it is this disorder that is responsible for his latest inappropriate behavior.

[msc545]

He has been a hazard to society for many years, and he will continue to be one for the rest of his life.

[lightbulb27]

he likely does, did he hurt anyone else, wife, child, others? As a cop I know he threatened people, but what else? doing that job that long and not hurting someone and staying sane is an achievement.

[msc545]

He had 18 complaints prior to the incident with Floyd.

[lightbulb27]

Complaints show he was dangerous in that role, should have been fired. Doesn't mean he's a hazard in society, but he could be. We don't know much about him other than those 9 minutes. People make bad emotional decisions, erases all of anything good they did. A lot of BLM protestors and the drunk idiots in my hometown that turned over cars can attest to that.

Anyways.

[jshm2]

As the prosecution said : "believe what your eyes saw".

That defence lawyer was incompetent, and gouged the money by choosing the defence tactic that he did. How the fuck can you claim "drug abuse killed him" when you clearly have the person on film, on the suspects neck?

It boggles the mind what American lawyers try and claim without shame.

[Vickymoore9]

The update has no weight in deciding his fate he is a grown ass man. I wasn’t surprised by the verdict, while I think both got what they created in their lives. Goerge Floyd was nothing other than a criminal drug addict and thief. He wasn’t the hero or deserves a Bill to be passed in his name for police reform that’s bullshit. Derek is nothing but a narcissist who was told he was killing him and refused to stop. I would be surprised he get over 20 years in prison high side. I think he’s going to get 15 years and spend half that inside. But I think he should get 40 years with eligibility for parole in 25! years. I think no less than 20 for the murder it’s self and 5 form the aggravated circumstances of 9 minutes on his neck with George and other telling to to stop. But at the same time the fact he did this whole thing it wouldn’t bother me he gets 40 without parol

[Dchrls78104]

So Mr. Chauvin has been found guilty. What does this mean? Suppose he is sentenced to 40 years in prison. How much of that time will he actually serve? And perhaps most importantly, will his punishment really serve the interests of justice by deterring cops from using excessive force on the job as well as curtailing the criminal elements and fostering respect for the rule of law?

[Anonymous]

Well I was watching with my grandmother and she’s a woman who went through the civil rights movement. She told me the stories. She said back then there was no hope now there is. Even though Obama was president and it was very historical it did it mean change for black people. But with this Verdic it opens the eyes do you have the government in the system is. Give them something to think twice about.

[lightbulb27]

the evidence I see in society is... no progress. people are safe, generally if they are submissive, slow moving, and considerate. Currently, it's obey or die. I'm glad she feels better, but nothing substantive has changed. When police have to pay with their pension if they kill someone... game changes.

[Opinion Owner]

@lightbulb27 that not the case you can obey still die. No she doesn’t think it’s totally changed but it does open people ( the police ) to not target black people as ultimately evil. Definitely something to pay more attention

[volleyball_bigirl]

Honestly I haven't been following it much but from what I understand he did something dumb, someone died, and now he has to pay the punishment.

Seems like a simple judgement

[supercutebutt]

Bad day for Trumptards, but a good day for everybody with normal brains. :)

[Katebfun]

At least 29-25 years in prison that should reform him. he's only early 40's so when he gets out of prison life will be very different

[RationalMale]

Funny that when you have a mob in the streets threatening to arson, loot, and attack people, the jurors magically find the person guilty on all charges. Kinda like if I put a gun to someone's head they will magically give me money.

[msc545]

Funny how when people see a video of someone murdering another person and hear testimony from the murderer's peers and superiors and other experts that what he did was wrong, they will convict him on all charges.

[RationalMale]

A mob ready to burn down the city, and one of the witnesses already threatened with blood and a severed pig's head--no shit they'd convict. A conviction with the jury knowing they'd suffer if they didn't is no conviction at all.

[Iron_Man]

Yeah I just heard that everybody knew pretty much if he was found innocent people would Riot

[goaded]

That doesn't mean he wasn't guilty as hell.

[Iron_Man]

yeah

[ChefPapiChulo]

The verdict was a very a quick one. He deserved it 100%.

[Marriedwith2]

Just here to see the butthurt bigots reveal themselves

[Lyndsielee666]

I am so fuckijg happy they found him guilty

[Anonymous]

The woke mob would have murdered all of the jury if the cop was let off. This was a stupid trial.

[Agape93]

He deserves 25 to life easily. Fuck em.

[WowwGirl]

Well said

[karaspara]

Verdict was correct I hope he gets the maximum

[EmmaMary]

Thank heavens common sense prevailed, now perhaps they'll take the murdering b****** outside, put him up against a wall and shoot the f*****.

[OlderAndWiser]

Obviously, you have not listened to the news reports. The maximum sentence he can receive is 40 years in prison.

[msc545]

He is 45 now. 40 years might be a death sentence

[OlderAndWiser]

The sentencing guidelines apparently call for a sentence of 12-15 years.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser Not sure, but I suspect that he may get enhancements to that. Apparently, that is at the discretion of the Judge, and my read is that the Judge is not fond of him. I may be wrong.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yes, sentencing is discretionary, but departures from recommended sentences require a justification. I am not saying that the justification is not present in this case. However, this judge also wants to avoid the perception that he is yielding to political pressure.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser Understood. I guess we will see. The whole thing strikes me as tragic in so many ways.

[OlderAndWiser]

Horribly tragic. The verdict is probably the correct decision (and I say probably only because I have not independently reviewed the evidence) but it is still tragic and not a cause for celebration. I think if left unfettered, many people would favor a lynching of Chauvin.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser I think you are right. The people that let Chauvin become a cop are to blame for all of this really.

[Anonymous]

lol there will be riots no matter what is sentence is because it's just to damm fun

[msc545]

So far, there are just celebrations

[Opinion Owner]

That will turn into mindless fun once the sun goes down

[msc545]

you might be right - hope you aren't.

[msc545]

So days have passed and no riots as predicted.

[joeldalton]

The left threatened to riot if he wasn’t found guilty.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The left didn't "threaten to riot" we warned you that there would be riots:
apnews.com/.../virus-outbreak-race-and-ethnicity-suburbs-health-racial-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator We didn’t threaten to burn your restaurant down, we just warned you that restaurants do burn down all the time if you don’t pay up.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

More like warned you that you would get sued out the ass by food-poisoned customers and bankrupted if you didn't abide by OSHA protocols.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator God you are dumb.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

God you're triggered again.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator you’re projecting.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Nope, you're just throwing out petty insults because you're attempt to blame shit on the left failed again.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No. I proved how stupid your reply was, and you - as usual - didn’t get it.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Your claim would have merit if the majority people who were arrested at the protests and riots were leftists. But the thing is, they're not.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Riiight. It’s all those trumpers looting the Target.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Nope, just ordinary citizens fed up with the criminal justice system. Blaming the left on the riots is as stupid as blaming the left for getting your sorry asses cancelled when you let mega-corps consolidate so much power and say stupid shit that pisses people off.

Your chickens are coming home to roost and now they're shitting all over the place.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator oh, you are back to telling me how much you love big daddy tech telling you what you can read? It’s kind of embarrassing for you to admit you can’t decide for yourself what you want to read. You need someone else to do your thinking for you.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

More like reminding you how it was your policies that allowed big daddy tech to dictate what other people read instead of getting perspectives from the free market place of ideas. But hey, you put your faith in a system as self serving and exploitative as capitalism and get screwed, well what can I say, you got what you signed up for.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

We warned you that if you played recklessly on the monkey bars, you'd get hurt. But even 8 year olds don't blame their parents when they bump their heads.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao. Big tech is more akin to socialism.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Big techs' policies is motivated by what will earn them the most profit via add revenue in the next quarter and if that means not platforming your bullshit, that's exactly what they'll do.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator They make revenue by selling your personal information, dope. Not by how many people read a tweet.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

And by add revenue which is influenced by how popular the views they platform.

Way to fail at deflection.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

But lets' strike down that kind of activity.

Oh wait, you'd be against telling companies what they can and can't do.

And if you're going to say I'm OK with companies do whatever they want for de platforming your ass, I've been saying since this issue came up, if tech giants hold monopoly power by all means enact anti-trust laws to break them up.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator you just like being told what you can and can’t read. It’s normal for someone who hasn’t learned to think for himself.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, I want big tech to tell everyone what they can and can't read which is why I've been saying that we should enact anti-trust laws to allow the free marketplace of ideas to determine what will and won't be on social media. And you say I don't want to think for myself when you're just parroting the same repeated line? Talk about projection.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I know taking responsibility for allowing social media sites to acquire so much power is hard for petulant children like you.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No, you rather like tech colluding with the government. That’s the hilarious part... you think government involvement is the “free market”.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yep, because when you get rid of competition laws and one company controls an industry, you have such a "free market" LMAO.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator lol, dummy they’re doing the bidding of the democrat party.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, because right now most people prefer the Democratic party to the GOP and libtard parties so pandering to them will get them more money from add revenue. But unlike you guys, I'm all to aware that they'll turn on the DNC as soon as it's profitable to do so.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator which is all the more reason for you to be against them censoring. Then you can’t read your commie bullshit.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I'm against them having the power to effectively censor people by DE platforming which is why I want anti-trust laws reinforced. The right just wants to use their hegemony as an excuse to give their bullshit a bigger platform than it could ever get in the free marketplace of ideas.