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Why are you for or against universal healthcare? (Page 2)
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For. I don't want to live in a society that lets people die out on the street.
I’m not for having the government be in complete control of health and well being. Look already what they are in control of and the corruptive discrimination that occurs.
If every other first world country can and does do it well, it's only American stubborn hardheadedness that keeps us from doing so too
No, it's worse than that. It goes against the tenets of the Capitalist religion, and therefore it is deemed Unamerican in the US.
Against.
Contrary to popular belief, America has a universal Healthcare system, it's called Veterans Affairs.
Do I really need to say more?
For it and get rid of every single private health insurance company. They are all snakes.
I'm not taking your second rate insurance policy over one I already have that is better.
Do you have any idea how badly private insurance rips people off? Look at it its a $190+ billion plus industry.
Then stop choosing shitty insurance companies? Wow that was a no brainer. You're still wrong for taking away peoples private health insurance.
@SlightlyEccentric They all suck and most people don't choose cause they let their full time job pay for it. When you get insurance through your employer you don't get to choose. If you pay for insurance out of pocket its too expensive for most people to afford. Of course you left that part out because it doesn't' fit your agenda. Did you know that your dumbass still pays taxes for health care anyways and paying for it through taxes a little more is still way cheaper than what health insurance now costs. That's why most employers don't even give you full coverage. 80% if you are lucky.
Universal healthcare should be used for everyone. A lot of taxes get wasted by the government on bullshit rather than benefiting the tax payers. Health care should be one of them
Against. Somebody has to get paid. Who pays for it? "The Rich"? Not enough of them or their money. No amount of blather will change that.
Health care is not universal. The lack of quality care would come with universal care.
Simply untrue.
I believe it should be offered if the country is able to afford it and it isn’t abused by the users.
Depends on how and who is paying for it.
Meaning, I don't want to pay for someone too lazy to work or people that shouldn't be in this country in the first place.
For, healthcare is a first world right at this stage in time. I don't see the negatives to it besides a longer wait time for non emergencies, which some people need to teach them a lesson on patience.
only a republican would be against health care for all
For it. What's a little more budget expenditure? 😊 it's only debt. Lol.
For it because the insurance industry and hospitals have completely fucked the average patient with their racket.
Against it because it is a service and like all services it should be paid for.
I'm against it. You have the right to put whatever you want into your body, not the right to have me pay for your medical bills
What do you think insurance is...
You paying a company that when you get hurt pays you back with that money using the interest it's earned kinda like how a bank works
And the little of my money they do take is far less than the third they would take for universal health care. You cool with getting one third less of your pay check every time
Where do you think insurance companies get the money from?
Also if you get coverage through your work then it's deducted from your pay check. Meaning of you do not have it you would earn more money. The amount taken out by taxes would be less.
That's you paying not me lol you don't get it do you? If we had universal health care there is no incentive to be a doctor, no medical innovation, more diseases killing people, months if not longer for surgery fuck people in Canada are having babies at home cause it's too long a wait to get a hospital room. Oh and the one third pays name your family friends everybody loses that to pay for your procedure
The only thing I've seen about home births is people choosing to because of covid. Which isn't a bad thing really.
It seems you don't get it. Insurance a bunch of people pay a select fee that money goes into one big pile when someone needs the money the money gets taken out.
Tax a bunch of people pay a select % the money goes into a pile and money is taken out for various resources.
It's the same thing just the government is holding the money not a bunch of money hungry insurance companies.
The only times I've seen people complain about universal healthcare is when they aren't being put first because they're not priority, which would happen in any case. You can however if there is universal insurance just opt for private care. You probably wouldn't even notice the tax increase for universal care.
Well I have family up there doctors actually and if all insurance went into a pile why is more than one company, also you don't have to have a job that offers it and you get your taxes back at the end of the year
Obviously I'm talking about each individual company...
You don't get all your taxes back only if you've over paid tax..
And I know that you don't have to have a job that pays it but either way you are paying for it be it directly out of your wages through the company or out of your own pocket.
www.theguardian.com/.../medicare-for-all-taxes-saez-zucman
This kinda explains everything
Sure.
Cause everyone should get some basic healthcare.
Anyone who is against universal healthcare is just a shitty person and probably a sheep of the capitalistic system.
I'm opposed since I don't believe in robbery regardless if by an individual or the government.
Do you understand what "pooled risk" is?
@msc545 I'm not opposed to insurance if not mandatory; required at the point of a gun.
Ok, so when you get sick, if you have no money, you can simply die.
@msc545 Feel free to give me your money but don't rob others at the point of a gun.
Feel free to heal yourself if you can.
I feel like people don't understand that health insurance is literally paying for other peoples care...
Is also paying the salaries of people who work for the health insurance company and literally do nothing of value
Lazy people do not deserve to be covered using my taxes. You may contribute to their health care or they can work harder.
So veterans are lazy?
Disabled people are lazy?
Single parents are lazy?
what about people who physically cannot work and the family cannot pay for his healthcare? oh well?
Veterens are already covered. Disabled people are already covered. Children are already covered. People who are unable to work are already covered.
Either you are playing dumb or you are playing games
They still have to pay... Out of pocket. How can they do that without a job?
You make it sound like the us already has universal health care. Weird.
You live in the UK, not the US.
@Susjsm All of those groups already have coverage through a number of plans
In my opinion putting a price on life saving surgeries or medication, is like putting a price on a human life. Life saving surgeries, medical needs should be free of cost.
Healthcare is a private good, not a public good, simple as that.
Being from Canada, I can tell you that it is great not to have a massive bill but it is a negative to have welfare assholes and obese people stressing the hell out of the system.
Im against it it weakens the healthcare system i work hard for my benifits so i want premium healthcare
I’m in the middle. The concept of it is nice on the surface, but it has some major flaws.
What flaws, exactly? The flaw in the US system is that people go bankrupt or die, or both.
@goaded True. On the other hand, there’s no such thing as as free health care. You pay for it one way or another. Unfortunately, there’s no perfect approach to healthcare.
Nobody ever said health care was free, other than at the point of use. National Insurance payers in the UK, and insurance purchasers in Germany, for example, fund it, obviously.
Nobody ever goes bankrupt paying for health care in either country.
Yep and overall healthcare paid through taxes is cheaper than through insurance. But you can opt for private care if you so choose to.
there is no such thing as free health care some one is going to pay for it and it won’t be the rich we all will pay for it
And what's wrong with that?
@loveslongnails Another person who cannot or will not understand the concept of "pooled risk".
@msc545 True, but sadder than that is the concept that so many people don't grasp. The healthier each individual is within a society, the better off everyone is within that society.
@loveslongnails Almost nobody in the US believes that. This is the society of "I got mine and fuck you".
@msc545 An unfortunate truth
Because Warner Bros has a much better plan and coverage.
Also, paying for other people's risk and decisions.
Why should I have to pay for some lazy chump liberals?
You're paying for everyone, but so is everyone. You get sick, it'll cost you an insane amount of money, did you know we pay around 25 euro's for a doctor's appointment? Isn't that like 300 dollars in the USA?
@I-C3_ME I only have like one doctor appointment a year though
@Jack9949, same
@Smashingdoozy Some people are just a waste of Tax payer money.
I'm for it.
Dispersion of risk.
it has a few cons--price is not among them. the freeloader need to pay their fair share.
So make the weathly free loaders pay... got it.
@michael1469 listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGvbnu-c8Qs
I am not arguing with you... that was my point... the wealthly free loaders...
@michael1469 meaning that even with all their money--they refuse to part with any to help others... Won't even pay taxes. They fear any raise... No matter how small. That is what makes them free loaders.
thehill.com/.../553643-debt-is-a-tool-of-oppression
@michael1469 or, they simply just don't care. there could be many reason--none excluded. watch this cry baby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0qo4HEewWU
I like the idea but there are a lot of drawbacks like longer wait times and higher taxes to cover it
Against, affordable health insurance and charity should work better
Doctors are so rich and medication cost arm and a leg. I think something is wrong.
Against.
Limits choice and availability of certain procedures.
For. It should be a basic fundamental human right.
I like universal healthcare
I don't want to pay for YOUR healthcare. PERIOD.
You just lack compassion (just kidding).
@Dargil - Exactly. IDGAF
Against.
I don't like socialism or communism.
So you dont have auto insurance? Have you ever driven on a road? How about a walk in the park? How about recieving help from a church? Perhaps food stamps? all by definition- Socialism. You are a socialist commie bastard aren't you!!!
Lets not forget you're are expecting social security...
@michael1469 Which me, myself and I paid to have!!! Too bad it was shuoved up are butts by liberal over-reaction. Believe me, I would much rather have had that money to buy stock and have those appreciated assets with their dividends , and not have it become part of a Ponzi game of socialist "pass the buck down the road".
* oops shoved
There is no mathematical way for SS to be a ponzi skeem... that is why it has a surplus... but if you allow your politicians raid your SS then yes, all others before you got paid and you didn't. So are you gonna let your republiclowns steal ya money?
@michael1469 It absolutely IS- that is precisely why their Ponzi scheme is breaking down at an increasing rate.. That "surplus" is a fake one, at best: robbing Peter to pay Paul. Why are "full retirement ages" going up? To slow the depletion of that "surplus".
Because your politicians took the excess to balance the budget... what other stupid comment ya got?
@michael1469 which is what I said if you'd ever learn idiomatic English!
For, because it's a boon to society
Do I have a right to someone’s service?
I'm definitely all for it
Totally for it.
Definitely for it
Healthcare does nothing
Against.
Of course you are. LOL
@loveslongnails yeah, it comes from an understanding of economics.
More so from NOT understanding economics but thinking that you do. The current system would have to be overhauled to make it work in the USA. So why do other industrialized nations get it to work? Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question. I already know why, just like I know why the Republicans don't want it to work, nor have they EVER had an idea that would.
@loveslongnails lmao. That’s why Canadians keep coming into the US for healthcare.
Canada is but one country that has universal care, which is not free either. And yes, there system is not perfect either, but they too are politically afraid to do what they need to. Specialists in the USA are exceptional, but we're talking about that, we're talking about Basic Universal Healthcare. So if you have no information, which you don't, and can't stay on point, which you can't, just shut the fuck up and go learn something about it.
@loveslongnails bahaha.
bahaha - translation: "you're right, i don't know shit about healthcare in other countries, or even my own for that matter". ba ha ha
Against
Neither side.
Bc, it stupid
Yeah I'm gonna need more than that
Nope, just here to get Xper points by commenting on stuff I don't care about.
You must be fun to be around.
Against
Now what's that?