I'm against it, because I don't want healthcare ran like my local DMV office. Long wait times with poor service.
Plus I had a relative who died last year in Canada due to Covid and their crappy healthcare system. He was trying to get back to the states to get better help but due to borders being closed they wouldn't let him.
The Canadian Healthcare system failed him.
That said, I could be convinced to support Universal Health care if specific requirements were guaranteed under law.
1. Short wait times, you call today you get in today to see a well qualified doctor... same as I currently can call my family doctor and get in today. Even when he is busy, it is never more than a week out. If you can't get in within a week you get paid $10,000 dollars a day by the government for failing to live up to fast and good service. Same applies to specialists.
2. No limits on spending, none of this crap of your too old to save here is some documentation on how to get used to the fact your going to die.
3. No rationing of medications, I've seen that in Canada when the government sends daily medications to various clinics and tells people to come back tomorrow to see if they can get a already prescribed drug. I don't know why they do that, but there is even YouTube video's of people going into clinics and secretly recording them saying, we are out of penicillin today you can try tomorrow or try another location. One cannot fake that. If out, also 10 grand a day penalty for each day.
4. No laws that try to help people be healthier, like when France outlawed refills on sugary drinks to try and help its population be healthier while trying to save money on their healthcare. NO loss of any type of rights or inference allowed at all or it nullifies the entire law. No laws to try and force people to be healthier.
5. If a government doctor screws up, millions in compensation immediately paid out.
There is a way to actually do both, keep the current system and have universal healthcare. Same could be done for 'free' college education. You opt in, when you opt in for universal health care you can never ever opt out... EVER. Then you pay an extra tax, like FICA that automatically adjusts up and down based on revenues. That fund can never go into debt, and thus automatically adjusts up if its too low or adjusts down if its too high.
We have the technology to track who does what, who would opt in and who didn't. This way it gives people the choice if they want it, just they need to understand they might be paying a extra 10% UHC (universal Healthcare tax.) that those who didn't opt in don't have to pay, for the rest of their lives.
I'm not exactly for or against. It does not make me happy to see people who aren't well-off become crippled in debt by a medical emergency. Yet at the same time, for me to be for something requires me to believe not only in the idea but in the effective execution of those who attempt to implement it. I have a lot of doubts there when it comes to the US government.
I'm an engineer by trade and I've always been a conservative and iterative type of engineer. I meet an endless share of talented young engineers who have bold ideas that seek to redesign entire systems. I have no doubt that their ideas have tremendous potential, but the boldest and most ambitious ideas tend to fail far more often than they succeed in my experience, and often toss the baby out with the bathwater. So I favor modest ideas which are far less bold in nature and more in the realm of seeking improvements rather than revolutionizing systems. We can still revolutionize the system eventually but one little baby step at a time.
I tend to think universal healthcare in the US is a wildly ambitious idea. I would prefer to at least start with a less ambitious one like having laws that require hospitals to provide transparent pricing upfront so that patients aren't sticker-shocked when handed the hospital bill, or expediting FDA approval of pharmaceuticals by only testing for safety rather than efficacy, or combatting the obesity epidemic. That might at least have some effect in driving medical costs down. Then if many of such modest initiatives are competently executed with good results, we gradually reach a point where universal healthcare no longer seems like such a wildly ambitious idea.
One thing I want to point out is that the outrageous costs of medical care in the US are not a proper example of capitalism. Capitalism and market forces tend to make things extremely affordable and accessible like food, computers, cell phones, cars, etc. There is no way for market forces to operate properly to drive down costs and produce maximum efficiency if we are to buy something without even knowing how much it costs upfront. Then we cannot shop around for the best prices and there is no competitive market pressure for things to become affordable. So one of the first things I think should be focused on is restoring competitive market forces and pressure for healthcare providers so that they have to compete to provide the most affordable care rather than charging someone $100 for a cotton ball.
I'm from the UK were we have the NHS so I have pretty mixed views. On one hand I think because we have free health care a lot of people in my country are entitled and don't think they need to take responsibility for their health or safety as too why my country has so many issues like knife crime, drugs and obesity if they knew they had to pay for the medical treatment themselves they might think again. Also most of UKs best doctors and nurses go abord to earn more and have a better way of life so no offence I still think nurses and doctors are amazing people but we sometimes get left with under trained, under skilled staff at the NHS who can't even speak the language sometimes. Plus they some how always find the money to buy comfy office chairs over £200 for themselves yet not a single penny for a child's brain cancer treatment. I know people who've worked with the NHS and it's not all sun shine and rainbows and not all the staff are good people.
On the other hand I have the resources if something bad was to ever happen to me I'd be taken care of and wouldn't have to worry about the bill at the end of it
I am pro because this system exists in my country and everything works out just fine. If I am not mistaken, 10% of what we earn goes to the healthcare system, monthly. It's not a big amount of money. With our universal health insurance we can go both to public hospitals & private hospitals. Most (90%) of the private doctors/clinics accept our public insurance plan. In addition to that, our government finances all kind of public health campaigns everyone can access (like HPV screening, breast cancer screening etc.). If we need anything from blood tests to MRIs, our system covers that. It doesn't cover all investigations (like genetic sampling), but it covers the majority. If we need an ambulance ride, it's free. If we need emergency surgery, that's free as well, for everyone. If we need a treatment, even when it's not free, we can get discounts, depending on the disease/drug. Also, doctors are extremely rich, most of them work for public clinics and private ones, they are paid very well, so I haven't heard them complaining about the system either.
I am for it. I've spoken to both my British and Canadian friends about their system, and the only person who had any complaints was very wealthy and their complaint was that they are treated like anyone else.
In America if the poor are sick they go to the hospital emergency room where they cannot be refused that's a horrible burden on this hospital system and a huge unnecessary inpaid expense that lur hospitals are forced to eat. Which raises medical costs for the test of us.
The next pooest have Medicaid or Medicare which is already tax supported. Further there are large groups of people who cannot work because of medical expenses. If they work they lose their Medicade and cannot afford the Dr bills for various chronic diseases.
Next pooest are workers who use government assisted medical insurance...
Etc. Seems like the tax payer already pays the medical expenses of the most poor. So look at us, my wife and I have insurance through my work. It costs me roughly %30 of my gross for medical, dental and vision. Plus our copay fees. Even if my taxes doubled (60%) due to a universal healthcare I would still come out about even because I wouldn't have to pay that 30% a month. But they're talking a 10% to 15% at most tax hike so I come out ahead as do most middle class Americans.
Okay another sobering thought. I am, right now, in dispute with one of our local hospitals over a $1000.00 copay. We paid it, insurance company says we didn't owe it, hospital refuses to return it. Now a thousand bucks isn't going to break us but its not an insignificant amount.
I have been satisfied with the American healthcare system. Everyone hears the words "FREE, FREE" and thinks that nobody pays anything for healthcare. Nothing is further from the truth Before Obamacare I had to have surgery. I had an overnight hospital stay, xrays and other tests, the cost of surgery and anesthetic and prescription drugs. It cost me 20 bucks co-pay. Fast forward aa few years after Obamacare. I had a two day hospital stay with xrays and a cat scan. My copay was over 2500 dollars. I had a medical issue and the doc wanted me to have a cat scan. I declined because it now costs me 500 dollars for a cat scan. My wife had cancer so I pay extra for one of the so called Cadillac plans at work. My premiums went up during that period even though Obama said the average family would save 2500 dollars per year on their premiums. Does anyone want to roll the dice on Universal Healthcare after seeing what a disaster Obamacare was?
The simple answer to this question would be yes, that would be fucking nice.
But I have to be realistic, and the reality in the USA is that healthcare does not exist, because it doesn't care for health one bit. Health is a business, pharmaceutics are a business, doctors are in the field mostly for the business (they don't have much of a choice) and the manufacturing companies involved are also there for business, and of course... insurance companies are there for the big business, and all of the are there for the profit.
Healthcare is not a service, is not a right, it is not care one bit... it is all about the money, and it has been that way for decades now. So, to just declare universal healthcare would create a lot, and I mean a lot lot of serious problems for everyone and everything that is deepily rooted into this dynamic. Declaring universal healthcare won't solve anything the way it has to be solved.
A better way to start to address this complicated situation has to be within the structure, it has to be done level by level, just like you would take a big building apart that is surrounded by many other buildings, you can just implode the whole thing at the base. There's a lot of things that have to be changed first, in order for healthcare to be fixed, the way it should be fixed.
Intricate problems require comprehensive reforms, approaches and solutions all at once, and not popular solutions that just look nice and fair on paper.
For Universal health care. 2/3 of all medical spending is already paid by government tax money. Government jobs don't necessarily pay well but the benefits are better then most. So the American tax payers are basically paying $100 to someone to pay the beneficiary $50 as a metaphor.
Then the next big cost comes from Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) from the Ronald reagan. Basically if you go to an ER you are treated regardless of ability to pay. ER as a primary care is an ass backwards and expensive cost to tax payers almost 10 fold. So if a universal Healthcare policy is a thing, a person can get stitches that is cost effective compared to an ER vist that needs an amputation from an infection.
Bottom line is the government gives money to the people as an overall investment. We currently give that money to billionaires with limited returns. Giving that same money to the average citizen is an overall better investment. A father getting the help he needs with his diabete to pass on his excellent work ethic to his children. A child getting cancer getting treatment to grow up to cure cancer possibly. That's my opinion on this.
I'm also native American with free healthcare. Broke my ankle in December got the surgery i needed to walk again for free. Also physical therapy for free.
Dad was white and got covid 19 was in and out of the ER unable to breathe. Then he died so now i have to figure out $150,000 of medical expenses. This is how fucked up life is for myself right now.
I'm in favor of baseline health insurance coexisting with premium health care programs.
On one hand, universal healthcare guarantees that everyone will receive the essential health care, on the other hand... it means your grandpa will have to live in pain and misery for eight months waiting for his hernia surgery because it's not a "life threatening condition" and there are others ahead of him on the waiting list.
The obvious downside of the state dictating the maximum price for health care services is that health care providers can't actually offer you the better, more costly services.
Look at how badly universal care is implemented in some European countries, people are staying at dilapidated facilities, they are using outdated knowledge and equipment, their doctors are hacks because the better ones are all leaving to the west where they get paid more, et cetera.
And the worst thing is, not only you are throwing like 12%+ of your monthly income down the drain in those countries, if you DO want a better service you have to pay everything out of pocket in a private clinic anyway because NONE of those funds you gave your government can be spent on services which do not meet the prices agreed on by them.
Even here in Canada, our waiting times and the availability of health care are infamous for not being what they should be in a first world country in the west.
And let's not kid ourselves, corruption in the government and poor efficiency in government spending are just as big issues (if not bigger) as is price gouging committed by private corporations.
Do you have any idea how many people in the US *don't* get healthcare because they can't afford it, and how many go bankrupt because they try and fail to afford it?
Sure, about 20% of people in the US probably wouldn't be able to afford health insurance. But that is only one side to the truth.
The other side to the truth is that the remaining 80% may very well be spending considerably less on healthcare than those in countries with universal healthcare.
Compare for example Germany, with their mandatory minimum health care insurance that *starts* at 14.6% (not counting additional fees, drugs and services not covered by basic insurance) of their pre-tax income, which is already more than what the upper 80% of Americans actually spend on health care in total, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The tax doesn't cap until you are making more than around 450k a year. Imagine paying $70k for basic health care (which is like 7 times more than what even the rich in the US pay)- that's the reality for people living under Germany's "cheap" universal healthcare.
Don't kid yourself that this is a black-and-white issue. Sure, US screws the poor, but the rest of the world screws everyone else- and in an even more major way. There really isn't a great solution to this unless you are a tiny country swimming in money the way Switzerland is.
-Most of us want some level of income redistribution, to not have people starving in the streets. Then when we have redistribution people worry about what the money gets used for. Funding universal healthcare is one useful mechanism to offer some income equalization (since it's tax funded but everyone gets a value that's not income linked) while ensuring the transfer of income is used effectively. - the market for health insurance is not efficient because consumers aren't armed with information to really choose intelligently between providers so the benefits that competition could generate don't accrue rapidly - the cost efficiency of single payer versus a network of insurance companies with their own pricing schemes and administration requirements is so large that it overwhelms any efficiency gains private insurers can create.
America stands out as the developed nation without universal health insurance... except of course for the elderly (who are the most expensive group!) and the poor (via Medicaid). Theoretically the benefit of the American system is to allow lower middle class Americans to decide for themselves what sort of insurance they like but it's not a real decision. Wealthier Americans don't really choose either - they get whatever their employer provides in most cases. All in, American governments actually spend more per person on healthcare then the governments of countries with universal systems!
The main divide in US is because many employer health plans are way better than what is offered by the public marketplace, medicare, or medicaid, and yes some even better than Canada. That if we went to universal the people who work good jobs lose better access than those who take up one of those "less stellar" public plans. Like if you work for Microsoft, the health plans are free, no deductions from your paycheck. This is the cream of the crop in benefits. One could believe if the government provided this for everyone, it's going to get rationed. In the US if you want to see a specialist this week and you got good insurance, you won't have to wait that long.
I do think there is a middle ground. Obamacare did put us on a better track but it's expensive for those who have to rely on it, the government could pitch in more here and account accordingly to a person's job/pay/situation. I also feel every job should provide decent healthcare to all their workers, there is a sense of taking care of their workforce means better retention and take home pay. There is a lot in play, b
Lol they aren't free you would otherwise earn more but a funny way to fool idiots. You should strive for universal healthcare to be as best as possible obviously.
i am for universal health care in the sense that "health care" is compulsory for everyone to have. of course there should be exeptions and variety. for example someone who is currently short term unemployed should be able to pay less for the same service as someone who is full time employed. so payment according to theindividual income.
also there should be a distinction between "private" and "public" healthcare, so that there's competition between the providers of services.
this system works really well and creates a self regulative system, that can't be abused by insurance policies. at the same time, it creates a strong counter balance for the outrageous prices in the pharma industry, cause if the pharma industry has to compete for insurance support, they are more likely to have to lower their prices than if there was no strong institutionalized player that helps regulating the prices they can ask. the free market apparently is unable to do that. i mean just look at the prices for medical natriumchloride solution. which is basically a plastic bag full of saltwater, that you pay fucking 500 bucks for. and 2000 bucks just for "lying in a bed in a hospital for one night" with no service included in that price. this usury should not be possible.
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People should pay for their own things, not look to "society" to pay for them, but because of those same people who want everything to be free, we've gotten to a point in this country where most people can't earn enough money to pay for their own healthcare, so because of that, I'm for free healthcare for everyone. Unfortunately that means the quality of U. S. healthcare will go way down, and fewer and fewer people will want to become doctors, but as of right now there just is no other answer.
My grandmother told me in the 1950s you could go into the hospital for something major and have a bill for like $210 or something. The average person was able to make enough money for a house and a car and clothes and things they needed, nowadays that's not possible, plus people "require" so many luxuries.
Most people today don't care about getting a good education, or a meaningful career, they're content to just work at Walmart and that's it. Plus there are way too many people to be able to earn a good living in our country, because everyone thinks they have to have 5 or 6 kids. The U. S. population has gone from 150 million people in 1950 to 350 million people today. That is ridiculous.
Every industrialised country in the World provides primary healthcare for its population except one arrogant, ignorant, gun-toting nation of highly taxed morons who don't even provide adequate healthcare for their injured veterans.
You don't have to be Communists to provide basic affordable healthcare for your citizens when your tax rates are as high as the USA has and you have the majority of the world's billionaire population.
The nation continues to demonstrate it may be financially wealthy, but it is morally bankrupt when it comes to providing basic human rights.
I'm from Canada. Without universal healthcare, I would be dead or in a mountain of debt right now. My dad too. I had liver failure, his thyroid gave out. Neither of us ever could have paid off the hospital bills that would have come from that. Just the sheer amount of emergency room visits I've had in the last few months would have put me in debt for years. I don't understand why anyone is against tax paid healthcare. Why wouldn't you want to know that if your health fails you will be cared for without having to even think about money or worry about insurance?
I gotta love the people in the comments saying universal healthcare would never work, even though so many countries have universal healthcare that works great
I am very much for countries having a free at point of use approach to healthcare.
Even if it’s not for everything, then certain things such as giving birth (and associated stuff), accidents, emergencies, medically approved operations, mental health, investigations in to problems, check ups, should simply be free.
why should there be a social barrier for having a baby?
The UK NHS was founded on three core principles:
that it meet the needs of everyone; that it be free at the point of delivery; that it be based on clinical need, not ability
it’s not per effect, I still pay for BUPA to queue jump if required.
But it removes the financial burden on many for simple routine things such as dental care (I go private because I can and other reasons lol)
I am for it. Or at least something closer to Switzerland's healthcare. But to be honest i am so effing tired seeing so many people struggling to get healthcare. Especially the elderly. Oh yeah they got medicate, and they got private insurance but to have to choose between buying groceries versus meds that you need to live that week tears me up inside. I have seen too many people struggling because the health industry is raping the people of their hard earned money and we can get anywhere. At least with universal healthcare it would regulate pharmaceutical companies and hospitals and clinics to offer better more humane prices so that we can all benefit from a right to our health. I mean you can go to Mexico and get the exact same care and meds for 5 times cheaper than we Americans.
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For it mostly because many other countries have it and its more beneficial for the citizens and not as many people go without Healthcare. And I know people all scream but the taxes ahhh the taxes but honestly we pay a shiy ton in taxes as is and yet they keep taking the funds that taxes put toward social security and use them for other things all the time we pay incredible amounts of tax but they never use it to help fund fixing roads 🙄 as is the majority of taxes goes to finding the military. I personally have a few friends in different countries that have socialized medicine and they pay less taxes and make more money than I do and they can still live comfortably and not struggle I haven't seen that in America everyone seems to struggle inside their families working 4 jobs between 2 people and still don't make enough to pay for medical insurance and medical bills -_-
I'm for universal health coverage because nearly every other developed country already does it and it's nothing like the fear mongering people have been saying in the US. I support universal healthcare because no one should have to put together a GoFundMe to be and to afford their cancer treatment, die because they can't pay for insulin anymore, or go into serious debt just because of a medical emergency. Privatized healthcare helps no one other than pharmaceutical companies that care more about profit margins than people's lives.
Against. Insurance was cheaper before government was at the heart of controlling it and mandating it. Also, when you accepted certain risks in life, and frivolous lawsuits were less common, doctors weren't required by underwriters to charge exorbitant fees.
Which would you prefer? Accepting the risk that surgery can backfire and kill you , or having some pencil pusher threaten to jail you over an extortion fee you can't pay, for procedures you have to pay for regardless of whether or not you need or want them, from a system that can abscond your claim funds to pay for starting frivolous wars in Syria. End universal healthcare. Do your part to kill the pig.
Universal healthcare run by the government is the only way it will ever be affordable to the 25% of the population who has the lowest income. I've not had it for years and if I ever get cancer again I'm a dead man. That is the reality. Do we as a society feel that poor people should just go without and die at a younger age or de we follow the right and moral path and make sure everyone can life a full and long life with good healthcare. The selfish conservatives claim that doing so would result in rationing healthcare. But we are already rationing healthcare only permitting it for those who have means or happen to be the lucky few with a good enough job to get it. They blame people for not having a good job but only a fraction of existing jobs are good so in other words it's the people's fault that good jobs don't exist in the first place. Why should healthcare be tied to jobs at all?
Against. 1) I like to choose if I want to carry health insurance or not. It’s a basic freedom under the commerce clause that I can choose what I want to spend my money on. 2) When I want health insurance, I want to choose which company I use. Insurance always rises in price over time if you don’t make companies compete against each other for your business. Thus different options in the market are needed to keep costs low including the option to not be insured at all if all companies are colluding. 3) I currently work in a health related field and government control would stifle innovation, reduce number of high technology jobs, and reduce pay within the industry. If government took over, I’d find a new career. It wouldn’t be good for my career personally nor would it be good for future technology developments in healthcare. 4) I'm not a totalitarian communist as you can see from my positions on personal liberty, market competition, and technological advancement.
@Susjsm Oh really? Weird that America accounts for a quarter of the entire world economy and has more than one industry. You're dumb shit. Go drink drain cleaner and do the world a favor.
I'd say yes to universal healthcare because we already have so many medical bills and debt... the only fear would be that we would lose the quality but people would stop avoid going because they can't afford it and lives might even be saved in the process
A philosophical point of you, you could say people deserve healthcare but desrrve is an odd term. What is really fundamentally happening is you're taking someone else's hardwork to treat the health and care for someone else's health. What if the person paying taxes doesn't want his/hers money used that way..
Secondly, there's the economic or maybe practical prespective, you could argue when the seller (med companies) and the buyer (gov.) Doesn't care about the price of something, the person who is paying for it, ie the people pay the price.
The term/idea of ”deserve” isn't philosophical in this context. We live in a state. We pay taxes. This means our state owes us something back. We have it's back and in return it has ours. In most countries, healthcare is seen as a fundamental right - and this is something the International Human Rights Law acknowledges. In the US, health is rather seen as a privilege, but we actually deserve to be healthy.
I'm for it because it's your right as a member of this planet. HOWEVER, it's not as simple as that. You also have the right to an honest education, where you learn truth and not fiction. And as part of that, you are taught HOW to best take care of yourself in a healthy manner. Hopefully you see where this is all going.
The current "western" method of dealing with illness is to manage symptoms, not prevent the root causes of disease and illness. This is because healthcare, like everything else, is a profit center. If you build a "universal model" around this premise, it too will ultimately fail.
So to answer your question, yes, I'm totally FOR it, but healthcare does NOT simply mean "getting everyone insured" and leaving the whole bullshit system in place.
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I am for it. As a healthcare provider, I am fucking sick and tired of insurance companies "practicing medicine". These companies add ZERO value and instead provide a serious risk to me (malpractice) and my patients (death), all to make their obscene profits.
I am also sick and fucking tired of conservatives bitching and whining about costs while ignoring the 57% of our tax money that goes to fund Death in the form of the military budget of this country.
I'm for it. In Switzerland we don't have a universal healthcare system but the way the system works is kind of the same. Everybody has to have healthcare and the insurance companies are strictly regulated they can't charge that much and anyone who can't afford it will get their healthcare paid by welfare or unemployment etc. So nobody ever has no coverage. So it's pretty much the same thing but just more complicated. But the system works well.
For because it prevents economic parasites (insurance companies) from leaching off people who are unable to put the up front costs of their medical expenses.
There is proof positive that preventive care is cheaper over the lifetime of a person than ER visits and disease management. I'm in favor of universal Healthcare for those that exercise preventive care. Some networks like Kaiser already use a modified version of this model successfully. As some other people said, there is an economic component - but they are wrong about the Boomer "we created the best of everything" mentality.
I'm not opposed to it in theory, but I have yet to hear a plan for it that would actually work here in the US- we're not operating in a vacuum, here. And while I ordinarily wouldn't mind trying something that MIGHT work, and revising it if need be, in this case the ripple effects could push us towards another world war.
Well if a homeless person needs medical attention hospitals will offer help or even a free room until they feel like that person is ready to be released.
Keep in mind this is a homeless person, while the rest of us that have jobs needs to pay for insurance and any other costs that may come with getting healthcare.
Does that sound fair to you?
My friend that's a nurse even are aware some of the bums abuse this system because he would see some homeless people come back over and over again.
Now I'm not sure if it's just California that's doing this. But seems awfully stupid that people with jobs need to pay while those not working basically get free healthcare.
The system is the reason why people are homeless. The system has a responsibility. You also don't understand that your crazy ideas make people homeless and never let them pay taxes again.
What will it cost, and WHO is paying? I'm not going to be working to pay more taxes for lazy fcks that won't work, and just want a free ride!! I WORK for my healthcare, and it costs me enough, now! Why should I pay more taxes for others, that DON'T work, especially now, with the Pandemic EXTRA unemployment benefits, to NOT work?
I take it he's American, come to Europe and ask people about this sir. It's hard to see the benefits from an ocean a way. Come to Europa and come see :)
@OrallyFixated PROVE IT!! I've heard so many liars, so many politicians promising, and NEVER delivering! The US is NOT AT ALL like Europe!! TOTALLY different culture, and you cannot compare the two and then just judge the US, unless you are just picking statistics, and ignoring CULTURAL differences.
@OrallyFixated How would you guarantee that you would pay less for government run healthcare than current premiums while keeping same service or better?
FYI, my company paid 100% of my premiums until the ACA ruined that... I'd like that back. I still pay 80% less than most American's so how exactly would my premiums be less?
I doubt my company would actually pay me more, as the government would just tax them for the healthcare so they'd transfer the cost to that... even if it wasn't. They would just pocket the extra money.
@I-C3_ME Good Sir, I respect your response, but why do I need to come to Europe, to learn this? This is simple accounting, and should be EASY to show, in an Excel table. No offense, and not that I would not like to visit your wonderful country, but just saying, from a practical point of view. Please don't assume that all of us, that live in America, are like the "Stereotype" that you know from the media, and with that FUCKWHIT, Trump!! You said, "I take it he's American," and that was rather insulting, as you seemed to assume I am like all of the ones that you see in media, and we have just now met. You don't know me, yet, nor I you, but I am not judging you. . .
Yeah true, you make a valid point. I did assume a lot.
Make assumptions didn't come from you being American alone. The thing that really make me believe those assumptions is that you capitalize words like THIS and it's gives me a very aggressive vibe. Seeing that most Republicans on the media also have this aggressive vibe in my eyes, i just subconsciously linked it. If you want stats, google awaits. I'm not here to convince you, just to give you my opinion.
Universal health care all the way! One should not worry about their health and how they will afford it. I am fortunately in a country that provides health care to all.. and it's blissful. I couldn't think of paying X amount of money because my health was in danger. Or having to choose between health or food..
Healthcare, education and basic food clothing housing should be free in countries which can afford it.
The technology exists that this shouldn't be a problem, it's artificial scarcity that keeps people afraid and controlled. Life doesn't need to be like this.
From what I understand, we have health care for those who are uninsured. For example, if you get shot by a gun and don't have insurance, they take you to the county hospital. If a person gets shot society doesn't have them die on the side of the road. That person goes to a hospital.
I would show the link of what Medi-cal covers but I'm unable to because I'm not at the exper level. In any case, it pays more than my private insurance.
Medi-Cal Services Medi-Cal pays for a wide variety of medical expenses:
Primary Medical Care
Doctor visits Diagnostic testing Emergency services Surgery Hospitalization Prescription drugs Dental services Health screenings for kids Ongoing Care & Recovery
Personal care services (IHSS) Occupational & physical therapy Outpatient drug abuse services Nursing facility stays Adult day health care Other medical related costs
Medical supplies Durable medical equipment Transportation to doctor visits Transportation costs for children with disabilities
Of course for! Every developed country on earth has it, except America. Obviously it's the right thing to do, otherwise other countries would do it. I lived in both the USA and Canada, and I'm trying to immigrate to Canada and this is one of the main reasons.
@SlightlyEccentric Canadian universal healthcare is better than American healthcare. And it’s free. And every other country does it. America is the only developed one that doesn’t. America also has a low life expectancy and people who literally die because they can’t afford insulin. That doesn’t happen in countries with universal healthcare
It's not free when your having a large percentage of your more of your income is taken out. And how about them wait times? Well we don't have that here. I get seen in a week or so. Not three months or more.
@SlightlyEccentric I am leaving. And American is the only country on earth where people die because they can't afford insulin. Let that sink in. How insane it is to not have free universal healthcare.
By the way Canadians spend less tax dollars for their healthcare than Americans spend on just medicare and medicaid per person.
As for me I’m for universal healthcare as long as the healthcare you receive is award winning & you are fully covered for every flocking thing from a bandage to brain surgery. On the other side of things if it’s universal it’s probably a bullshit plan & your coverage isn’t going to be that great. With that said I’m going to opt out for universal healthcare & keep my options open & keep my current plan because I gave great coverage.
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im against it cause it is fake there is very few things I go to the doctor for
alkalizing the body heals it basically just drink water and fast do not eat
LIKE GOD SAID THE HERBS ARE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATION
TAKES 10 DAYS FOR BLOOD TO BE CLEAN IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHICH IS WHY 21 FAST ARE BEST
I think everyone deserves the basic right to health care. Does that mean we should do away with the system we have now in America and give everyone the same health care plan 😂 no. That’s foolish. Some people want to spend more money or better doctors i don’t find anything wrong with that at all.
I do think Americas urgency could be better. When it comes to caring there’s a lack of genuineness and care. Let’s work on that
remember when the government tried to make college more affordable? Now that they ballooned up the cost by throwing endless amounts to money at it they want the taxpayer to foot the bill. If healthcare is paid for by the government that actually means the people are paying for it and every company in the world will be lined up to fleece the "government" just like colleges did. This will also take any :skin in the game" that might encourage individuals to manage their healthcare wisely. This will be the most expensive health care ever in the history of the universe
Yes, because many people go to the doctor when they're feeling fine, just because it's free! For every hypochondriac, there are hundreds of people who really need help.
The government has the power to regulate costs in health care. They can at least require that each hospital publish what they charge, and they could limit what is charged for a given procedure.
@goaded - "They can at least require that each hospital publish what they charge, and they could limit what is charged for a given procedure." If I believed that would happen I'd be all for it. they could do that right now but that reduce the money pouring into Washington DC. Look how the cost of healthcare went up with Obamacare. my deductible went up 4x and my paycheck deduction skyrocketed too. They'll pay for this by taxing something you don't associate with healthcare (like they taxed and stock trading to pay for Obamacare) and then they'll say: "look it's free!".
Actually, Trump set up rules that said the hospitals had to publish their prices, but neglected to standardise a list of procedures, resulting in incomprehensible lists.
The point is that it can be done, and has been successfully done in many major countries around the world.
(I'm pretty sure "they" didn't tax stock trading; that would be far too good an idea.)
@goaded if you make over a certain amount you pay an extra tax on gains from the sale of stocks. I think you have to make $250K or more for a single filer and the money goes to pay for Obamacare
@goaded it's millions of Americans by the way. you have the right to all the health care you want, you just don't have the right to force other people to pay for your lazy ass. If your disabled for real, I'm happy to pay my fair share to help those people (but not drug addicts or people who crashed their motorcycle)
@goaded no, if you make over 250K from any source, you pay extra on all of your capital gains so slackers who don't go to work can get free doctor visits
I don't see why not. I mean sure it's a load on the economy but health is far more important to any civilization than a bit more money. It's an investment in a happier and safer comunity and well worth the price tag
I am swedish so obviously I am strongly for it. And i do not want it another way. However I am not a supporter of gender swapping or fertility industry should go on the tax money. Those are not required to live a good healthy life. I rather see dental to be fully covered, I still don't understand why that is separated in Sweden. Healthy teeth are important for your health.
I'm for universal healthcare that works, like the Swiss system, and against universal healthcare that doesn't work, like the NHS in the UK. Socialism has been proven time and time again that it doesn't work, creating economies that age like milk.
The Swiss system is a good system that works; -fully privatized, -having health insurance is a mandatory legal requirement for everyone by law, -if you can't afford it, the state pays your insurance. Done.
Swiss system is not a universal health care, it is a Bismark Model, that is German model. In Italy before covid-19 heathcare system worked very well, but it was made for cure non infective diseases. Italy had until 1979 a Bismark model, but it had many many problems especially if you don't work for a big company. NHS does not work not because is universal care system because it is bad managed and bad organized. Historically, the NHS has given the taxpayer poor service from at least 1978 onwards. The UK taxpayer is on average satisfied with the service given as he has never tried anything else and thinks he has the best service in the world. An Italian-Swiss friend who worked as a financier in London was afraid of the functioning of English hospitals, where doctors are often poor, as good doctors work in the area. So much so that when he needed he came to be treated in Italy, similar stories came to me from Italian-British friends, all users of Italian healthcare.
@ODC2112 By definition, universal health care is a system that provides quality medical services to all citizens, not turning the poor away because they can't afford it. The Swiss System fits that definition.
I never said the NHS doesn't work because it's universal health care. I said NHS in the UK doesn't work because it's a system of socialism, and socialism has been proven time and time and time again that it doesn't work, creating economies that age like milk. The reason for that is without the vastly multiple different types of competition required to keep an economy competitive, then there is not only no incentive to do a good job, but that economy is actually encouraged to do a bad job, on the basis the less work it does then the more it is rewarded. Why else is every criticism of the NHS's poor performance always followed by "and that's why we need more funding from the tax payer", yet it never seems change that lack of performance, other than actually making it worse. It's at the point now that drive through workers at KFC will show you more care and concern than NHS doctors and nurses do, as was my experience when I went to A&E with a head injury. Yet the UK population will not get rid of it, because they've all been successfully falsely convinced that there's no other forms of universal health care, meaning it's either this or the American system.
I sit on the side of you get what you pay for, and disabled people deserve healthcare even if they can't work.
Free health insurance for those who can't afford it I think would be better in the form of a healthcare allowance. Instead of having government health insurance, they can just pay doctors outright. It's basically the same thing but it lacks the issue of doctors not taking your insurance, which is important, because in most cases only crappy doctors take insurance.
For it. Its stupid not to ensure your country's population health.
What reasonable person desires to see their country men and women and children dying of preventable deaths or see them sick both mentally or physically? Only a fool.
Moreover, I favor private insurance as well. Anyone that doesn't desire to be covered by the government's health plans can refuse coverage and have their own private medical insurance.
I'm against is because of socialism and adrenochrome! Bill Gates wants to steal your children and milk them for blood for Oprah. They're gonna use the idea of "universal healthcare" to steal your kids for their immortality Satanic cult.
For. It works out cheaper for everyone in the long run, and it's one less thing to ever have to worry about. No one in my country ever goes bankrupt over an unforseen medical issue and no one is tied to a shitty job for the health benefits.
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Against. Coming from the UK the NHS is little more than a pathetic joke. Overtaxed by scammers and immigrants who contribute nothing to the UK society taking advantage of the system. Understaffed because the staff are either overworked or not paid enough to warrant staying with the NHS when they can go to a private home / residence or if doctors start their own clinic for nearly as much or more money.
I'm not against it in theory. But I don't trust politicians to impliment it well. In the U. S. at least our politicians care more about beating the other team and solidifying their own power than doing things right.
We have the worst aspects of both socialized and privatized healthcare here in the states. We should have the best of both. There is no reason why a country as wealthy as ours can’t provide HC for those who can’t afford it. However, we should not have a completely socialized system.
Just look at the Veterans Administration the vets have to wait years to see a doctor and get services and that is for a few million service people. now think of medical for three hundred million people years to wait. Doctors goin out of practice be cause they are not being payed in a prompt manor the illegals get to be first on line for the govt free free free free
For universal health care. There was a time long ago when firefighters were private. A tome where fire fighters would arrive to burning buildings and protect only the buildings that were insured while letting the uninsured buildings burn. But we accept nowadays that firefighters are a public service and everyone deserves access to this service, even if everyone in society has to pay a little more tax for it. Why is it different for healthcare?
Against, at least until we can get most of the self sabotage epidemics like obesity. I think we should be able to make people a little more responsible for their own health before implementing a system where everyone pays for your bad habits out of their own paycheck.
Because i dont feel like i should have to pay for someone else stupid choice in life. You want to eat and smoke a shit ton and wonder why you need a new heart and lungs? Thanks but my 6 figures a year can pay for my health care and my work covers it too.
@Still-alive I'm happy I don't have to pay for your piece of shit life style. If you choose to treat your body like it's perfectly okay to eat MC D's for 2 years strait and sit on the couch watching TV chain smoking and then call the hospital with chest pains yeah Geee No sorry I'm not paying for your dumb ass to get free health care.
a bunch of idiotic assumptions and sounds like you just generally hate other people so much that you'd deny them access to healthcare like disabled children for instance who desperately need it.
@Still-alive disabled children because their mothers smoked crack and drank so much their kid comes out fucked up. Let the parents suffer for their stupid choices. I hold people accountable for their actions.
I can see both sides of this coin. As someone who has access to the NHS, the idea behind it is Fantastic but it's made repulsivley bad because of all the people abusing the system. I believe we should be made pay some contribution towards it either to foot the bills for expensive equipment or provide our nurses and doctors with a better wage! Well done our heroes 👏🏻
Sounds nice on the paper, but you must remember it has a huge cost, cost that will be then covered by more taxes. Also, it works only if you make sure no one will abuse it. And many will, trust me. And then, it will attract many, many immigrants who will want to use it without giving anything to it. Which will increase again the taxes you'll need to pay to keep it afloat. So yeah, it's nice. As long as it works.
I'm for universal health care, simply because health care is so important, and so many Americans have very little health care, because they can't afford it.
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I'd want universal healthcare to be a thing eventually, that should be the goal. Buy as of now it just isn't reasonable. I mean, Canada literally has to send their patients to America to get MRIs because they literally don't have enough to meet the demand. Socialized healthcare doesn't financially support the system like privatized Healthcare does (at least as of now).
When 10 people need a band-aid and there are 3 band-aids, 3 people get a band-aid. Then 3 people can say "I live in a country with universal health care, and I got a band-aid within a week."
You should love the German system. The hospitals and insurance companies are private, they're just properly regulated. Nobody here goes bankrupt from health care. No-one.
The point is, it can be done, it just needs a government that's willing to stand up for the people against the industry (which still does very well out of the arrangement tyvm).
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