Israel. Why is there so much global Antisemitism against Israelis. Don't they deserve to live in peace free from attack?

[Gespenster_division]

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well, if they didn't start fights with people and made an earnest effort to bring peace, they probably wouldn't be attacked. I know, stating facts is going to get me called an antisemite (I'm not), but the fact is at least according to Israel and the jewish community, they are the only group in the world who is hated by every one who has done absolutely nothing wrong (bullshit).

They have attacked US embassies in Egypt in an attempt to frame syria so we would fight them for Israel (and allow Israel to acquire territory their). They attacked us again when they sank the USS liberty (again an false flag attack). They then attacked a US vessel full of US citizens who where in international waters protesting Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. They use chemical weapons against Palestine, have been caught on camera executing unarmed palestinians, using palestinian children as human shields, actively targeting women and children, have murdered palestinian children (burning some alive), have violated over 420 cease fires and treaties (some within the same day they agreed to them), almost all palestinians killed are killed in palestinian territory and almost all Israelies killed are killed in palestinian territories despite which Israel claims they are "defending" themselves, the only defensive force in history to die in some one elses territory. In addition they have been caught using false flag attacks (again on video) to instigate fights with Israel.

So we know Israel doesn't want peace because they have attacked the US, they have attacked their neighbors. In addition to all of that they have also bugged the white house under trump the most pro Israel president in history and they have a lobbiest group that has paid off politicians to try and pass pro israel bills, like the one that would make it illegal for the government to do business with any company that was boycotting Israel which is a violation of the First amendment (and antiamerican by its nature).

According to jewish people they have been kicked out of 84 different countries. 84 different countries with different cultures, different languages, different religions, different climates, different economic systems, different economic standing, different political systems and the only common denominator is the jewish people themselves, YET according to them they have never done anything wrong, they have never done anything to exascerbate peoples animosity towards them, they are just complete innocent victims. If you got kicked out of a bar and you said it was because of race/discrimination, that is absolutely believable. If you got kicked out of ten and said it was because of race/discrimination, that is unlikely. If you have been kicked out of 84 bars, the only rational question one could ask is WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO GET KICKED OUT OF 84 BARS?

This is the problem, the Israeli people and jewish culture while having plenty of good things about it, is also flawed (extreme tribalism is the real issue) and as a result because they refuse to take responsibility for their actions, refuse to accept their role in things (and no, I am not suggesting any one deserved to die but not every attack comes out of nowhere (its not like all of these people just drew out of a hat to decide who to hate and all of these people just happened to draw Jews, their is a reason for it even if the response is far more sever then it should be), these problems continue to exist because you can't solve them without acknowledging the root cause. And no, I don't hate jewish people, I don't agree with violence against any group of people, and no I don't particularly support palestine (I think palestine and Israel are one and the same, its just one side has a better strategy (false flag attacks and making sure the US is their big brother protecting them from the consequences of their actions).

[Gespenster_division]

The uss liberty wasn't sank. Not sure what it was about but was probably a situation like the Gulf of tonkin incident and organised by the CIA.
Look at the 84 countries they were kicked out of yes, all extremist Christian countries or ruled by despite Kings and lazy aristocrats. All of these countries oppressed their poor.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No it wasn't, Israel admitted to attacking the vessel. As for the rest, completely false. If you are called an asshole by one person, its probably them. If a hundred people call you an asshole your probably an asshole. Pretending like every one just one day decided to hate one group of people for no particular reason, a group of people who did nothing wrong and didn't in anyway antagonize people is just irrational. This is why jewish people get hated on so much, none of them are willing to take responsibility for their or their cultures actions so they just keep making the same mistakes over and over again and ironically while it pisses off other people, in the end the biggest victims of the jewish communities ego and inability to self reflect, is the jewish community itself.

[TruthBringer]

@hellionthesagereborn Absolutely well articulated! You have hit the nail right on the head with this one. It is good to see more and more people waking up to the lies about Israel and their victimhood mindset that clearly is not working in their favor anymore.

[strateguy632]

to @hellionthesagereborn start? from the first line you lost credibility.
in 1948 egypt started the war not israel.
in 1928 arabs started the massacre in hebron not jews.
in 1967 egypt blockaded sea starting a war. israel NEVER invaded jordan nor syria.

[Lliam]

Hating Israel and Zionism has nothing to do with hating Jews. It's not antisemitism, although that's how Israel dishonestly tries to frame it. In fact, many Jews, including ultra-orthodox Jews, reject the existence of Israel. In addition, they realize that the radical political ideology of Zionism that got its early start at the end of the 19th century has nothing to do with Judaism or Jewishness.

Anyone who knows history and who is aware of how Israeli's treat indigenous Palestinians (both Muslim and Christian) knows that it is as bad as the way European colonists treated indigenous Americans. Israel has institutionalized sadism. It is far worse than apartheid South Africa and more akin to Turkey in the early 20th century. Comparisons to Nazi Germany's racism and brutality aren't even unfair.

Israel butchers, tortures, starves, displaces, and terrorizes Palestinians unceasingly, keeps them locked in the largest open air prison in the world, and then acts like a victim when they show any resistance.

What's ironic is, Muslims, Jews and Christians lived peacefully, side by side as neighbors for hundreds of years before Zionist terrorists started pouring in. People from all over the world visited the "Holy Land". Now look at the place.

In addition, Israel is conniving and openly aggressive toward its neighbors because its long range plan is not merely occupation of all of Palestine, but a "Greater Israel" (the Yinon Plan) that stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates and from the Mediterranean to the Sahara desert. Why does Israel continually terrorize the Syrian people with cowardly bombs and missiles? Why does it scheme to destroy Iran? Oh, as always, Israel claims self defense and national security. But the entire world would be more secure without Israel.

Israel is an illegitimate state. It has no right to exist. The short-lived mini-kingdom of Israel disappeared 2500 years ago. European Jews have zero claim on Palestine.

Britain agreed to "gift" Palestine to Nathan Rothschild in 1917 (the Balfour Declaration) in exchange for financial support in WWI (a war that a handful of Aglocentric elites in Britain engineered). Israel's existence has NOTHING to do with WWII or "holocaust". After 1945, Jews have zero need for a national homeland.

So, while I have zero animosity toward Judaism, Jewish culture or Jewish people, and I have many Jewish friends who I hold in the highest regard, I despise Zionism and will support the eventual disappearance of Israel. There is only Palestine.

[Gespenster_division]

Yes and national socialism has nothing to do with hating jews

[Lliam]

I thank you for the MHO, sir.

[TruthBringer]

@Lliam I couldn't have said it better myself!

[anon_teen]

Critiquing Israel is not Antisemitism, why people hate Israel is its a genocidal nation that loves to play the victim. I have no respect for Israels government or nation. That being said I have nothing against Jews, and would never discriminate against them, nor do I have anything against the inoccent civilians of Israel.

[FilmGuy93]

Bearing that in mind, you should acknowledge who the aggressor is in this latest conflict; the Palestinians with funding and weapons paid for by United States. The only people who lose in that conflict are the Palestinian civilians. Their government loves parking missile trucks in places full of civilians.

[Ousaf1]

@FilmGuy93 wdym haha the US literally sells weapons to Isreal you are talking out of your ass

[FilmGuy93]

@Ousaf1 do you not know how weapons dealing works? This is literally on the record in the omnibus spending package Biden signed into law earlier this year. Sell guns to both sides and keep the war going for profit

[Gespenster_division]

@Ousaf1 the US also gave weapons to ISIS so...

[Ousaf1]

@FilmGuy93 doubt that they buy it from America but I do know that war brings out a lot of profit 🤔 I thought that Iraq gave them weapons. Do you have proof of that?

[Ousaf1]

America created ISIS 😂 so I wouldn't be surprised by it.

[FilmGuy93]

@Ousaf1 It was actually countries from all over the Muslim world. The US provides a great deal of funding to Hamas and other countries and groups in the Middle east.
agsiw.org/.../
www.al-monitor.com/.../...t-weapons-smuggling.html
www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56665199
www.forbes.com/.../?sh=41aca69817a7

[DaisyM23]

It’s not antisemitism to criticise Israel, yes in some cases it’s people who are antisemitic, but in my view and experience talking to friends, it’s more to do with the ethnic cleansing and mass murder you know?

[Gespenster_division]

You are thinking of the Palestinians and the arabs who's mission since 1948 is to wipe all Jews out in Israel.

[Guffrus]

@gespenster_division
Both are trying, but Israel is succeeding because they are backed by the US and because they own much of the media in the western world which is why you have been programmed with an 'automatic omg thats antisemetic' trigger.

What Israel is doing in Palestine goes far beyond genocide, as amazing as that seems, what with genocide seeming to be far more than enough. They are literally, physically wiping all traces of their existance from the Earth.

[007kingifrit]

there is no ethnic cleansing and all war is mass murder

what you're really showing here is that you're spoiled and you don't understand that the guy winning a war isn't necessarily the bad guy

you associate weakness with virtue

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division You're still conflating the actions of Israel with that of the Palestinians. It's actually Israel who started the ethnic cleansing in 1948 which lead to full-scale war. The genocide and ethnic cleansing has been done to the Palestinians and history clearly points out to that.

[TruthBringer]

@DaisyM23 Very well said!

[strateguy632]

how is "including arab in parliament government" the same as ethnic cleansing. . stop repeating false accusation.

[razelove]

It's because they're winning and much like Russia are beginning to have enough power in their military and economy to stand on their own. On a global scale they have to be hated because they can accept help, but they don't necessarily need it.

Western governments are moving towards globalization, you cannot convince a country to abandon its culture and territory to merge with a global collective if it has no need or desire to. That would be the focus of "war crimes" as well. It is literally impossible for Israel to commit war crimes as they never signed the Geneva convention.

If you don't sign, you aren't bound by its rules, so all the citing people do of "oh, they violated these articles!" mean absolutely nothing. They can conduct asymmetrical warfare, they can absorb their neighbors, they can use flamethrowers, gas, and hollow-point bullets.

They haven't, though if I were in their shoes I sure as hell would.

Nice pics by the way.

[Ousaf1]

Are you sure about that? They are still receiving money from the US every year and without the help of the US, Isreal wouldn't even be a country today

[Ousaf1]

Russia is a way different story

[razelove]

@Ousaf1 Yeah, I'm sure of that as both Israel and Palestine receive money from the US, if funds were to stop going to both, they'd be fine. Iran would still be funding Palestine, but I'm pretty sure a lot of other countries would want to fund Israel simply to keep the proxy war going and keep it off their door-step. Russia funds Palestine as well, more than likely as a big middle finger to the US for all the sanctions and BS we throw their way for just doing their business.

The world is a big place, not everything is the business of the US, even if a country were to fall, if we're going to be little bitches about calling someone our ally because they respond to asymmetrical warfare with asymmetrical warfare, then we need to be ready to be little bitches as we watch them fall and get hit with terrorist attacks because that convenient target is gone and we're weak.

Russia is a different story, they aren't weak, and they back their allies up even if it isn't in their best interest at the moment, because they make alliances looking towards the future. We make them in the US looking forwards to elections because, again, we're ruled by politicians who by and large are wishy washy little bitches.

[OlderAndWiser]

Among liberals, hatred of all things Israel seems to be the state-endorsed, PC accepted outlet for the expression of their racism.

[Jack9949]

OlderAndWiser. Seems to match up! 😊👍

[Avicenna]

Exactly- the standards applied to Israel are applied to no other country in this world. They're expected to give the terrorists everything the terrorists want and not fight back while leaving their country entirely to the terrorists. No one else is expected to do that.

[razelove]

I think it's more that liberals have to support the under-dog. Israel is winning, rather has continued to win against ridiculous odds again and again. Right now the left isn't liberal, it's progressive, progressives cannot stand winners, because winners don't need help and guidance from progressives.

They can work with Palestine because every time they rally other countries and attack, they lose, then lose land for themselves and their allies. They're open to that progressive influence of equity brainwashing.

[Ousaf1]

@Avicenna funny how you are talking about "terrorists" if Isreal is fighting back then they are just defending themselves but Palestine can't defend themselves? Cuz they are labeled as terrorists lol. The difference in power is huge since Isreal had a defense mechanism and Palestine doesn't. Im wondering if you are stupid or not

[Avicenna]

@Ousaf1 : Maybe Hamas shouldn’t attack Israeli civilians, ever think of that? However, they intentionally start each and every conflict do they can appear relevant and to gain influence vis a vis the PA. And Hamas should not terrorize the people the rule, something which is totally within their power. Better yet, how about signing a peace treaty with Israel rather than attacking it? But as long as Iran and the EU Fund the terrorism of Hamas, nothing will change.

Israel is under no obligation to be as equally strong as Iranian client Hamas. But when you consider who is allied against Israel (Iran, Hezbollah, other Lebanese factions, Syria, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, etc.), this talk of an alleged power imbalance is shown for the obvious irrelevant nonsense that it is. Israel is responsible for protecting its people from terror and attempted genocide.

[Ousaf1]

@Avicenna so when you try to remove a certain race from your country (which reminds me of a period about a German man) they should just accept that? And if they oppose to it they are called terrorists? But Isreal is allowed to "defend" themselves even tho they have much better defense and attack systems and they are the reason why they are both at war. by the way black people from Isreal are also pushed to move out of the country. When will people have the balls to stand up and say that Isreal is the aggressor and acts like the victim (Hides behind the holocaust and just antisemitism). How Does Europe help Palestine? You are funny if you think that Isreal wants a 2 state. They are literally removing people from their houses and slowly obtaining more land.

[TruthBringer]

@Avicenna Another one who addresses the symptom of the illness without addressing the illness itself. Hamas this Hamas that. Last time I checked Hamas didn't exist in 1948 (beginning of the conflict), but in 2006. So where have they been all these decades? The Hamas argument is an outdated and already debunked one. So you should try again. And speaking of Hamas, why did they even attack? So what's the illness of the symptom which you seem to ignore?

"the standards applied to Israel are applied to no other country in this world" Yeah, hence why we see Israel being the state that has violated most UN resolutions and yet where are all the sanctions? We see sanctions emposed on Syria. We see them on Russia. We see them on Iran, North Korea etc. And yet somehow, Israel gets away with it all. But alas, they are struggling with the critiques of the world. The world is waking up to Zionist lies and are now struggling damage controlling. If Israel hasn't been acting like what the Nazis are doing, they wouldn't have this problem, to begin with.

[TruthBringer]

@Ousaf1 Well said! Israel clearly does not want peace. And it's clear as day. The 2 state solution is the last thing they allow to happen since they are pushing for the Greater Israel project agenda. A user with the name of hellionthesagereborn (who has the Most helpful opinion on this thread) has made a very detailed approach about this. It's good to see more and more people are waking up to the crimes of Israel.

[Avicenna]

Those who hate Jews always seem to conveniently forget that Jews were expelled by the Arabs from countries they had lived in for over a millennium (and had their property expropriated without compensation) and that the Arabs rejected an Arab state that the UN tried to set up in 1948, then six Arab states proceeded to gang upon what were largely Holocaust survivors and try to massacre them. But the anti-Jewish crowd never wants to acknowledge that history, so it’s no surprise they whitewash the war crimes and human rights violation of Hamas and the PA, or their support from Iran and the Shia axis. But all that’s OK with the haters if Jews, and if Jews defend themselves after bei g attacked, the haters go berserk. I also don’t see any of the recent attacks on Jews being condemned by those dripping with venom for Jews.

The hate for Jews and the concurrent support for Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorists is disgusting.

[TruthBringer]

@Avicenna Nice red herring. On top of that, you’ve once again addressed the symptom of the illness rather than the illness itself. You speak about Arabs expelling Jews, yet choose to ignore Israel’s actions that have provoked it. Classic case of hypocrisy and double standards in your arguments. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And your red herring won’t justify the crimes Israel is committing till this day. Israel is the one that has broken the majority of UN resolutions and what has happened recently is clearly a showcase to why.
Hamas argument once again. Hamas didn’t exist till 2006. You sound like a broken record. Let me enlighten you with a little fact. Hamas wouldn’t exist wasn’t it for the actions of Israel since 1948. Hamas is the symptom of the decades old illness. Your shaming tactics of “hating jews” is not only a typical Zionist battlecry, but also one that is easily debunked. Trying to sew people’s mouths shut for criticizing Israeli crimes (that is internationally recognized) is not the same as hating Jews. With that logic, anyone who criticizes Saudi Arabia’s crimes in Yemen would be labeled as anti-Arab or anti-Muslim. Which is a flawed and therefore incorrect argument. Logical fallacies don’t work here. Come back when you have valid arguments to give rather than the already debunked “anti-semitic” card.

[TruthBringer]

I can ask the same thing about Israel bombing and oppuying territories not their own. You seem to forget the context of an entire conflict that has been going on since 1948.

Also, the whole notion of being against the government of Israel and their acts being "antisemitic" is not only inaccurate and invalid in itself, but it's also a poor, shallow and desperate attempt to censor someone by putting a false label on him/her that doesn't even fit.

I believe every innocent soul deserves to live in peace. But if I'm going to speak up, I might speak up against obvious injustice. That's why I stand with the people of Palestine given the history of this entire conflict.

Oh and not sure what "hot IDF girls" pics have to do with this topic.

[Gespenster_division]

Yes in 1948 the UN mandated that an independent state called Palestine be created for the Arabs that lived there, the first time in history that this ever happened and one the Jews of Palestine be allowed to rule themselves for the first since Rome invaded. The Muslims in the middle east offended as they always are by non-muslims seeking to rule themselves tried to commutt mass genocide as they've have done many times with the likes of the copts in Egypt and Sudan, Christians and beta Jews in eithiopia, Armenians and others in Turkey, Christians seiks Hindus in Pakistan, various Christians zoastrians and others all over the Middle east. The Palestinians paid the price of attempted genocide in a war they started, being German I can sympathise, Germany lost a lot of German territory after ww1&2 to our neighbours.

[TruthBringer]

That’s a lot of straw man arguments you have given. And most of them are the symptom of the illness without you (once again) not having to address the illness itself. It seems you have forgotten the enthnic cleansing has started by the Zionists which ended up infuriating the Arabs and thus lead them to resist. The Jews, Christians and Muslims were living peacefully side by side before the Zionist ideology came to fruition and started causing havoc in the holy land. The Palestinians were paying the price since day 1 for a crime they have not committed. Only to be killed and expelled from their homes, villages destroyed to make way for an occupying entity. But by all means, do keep forget that.

[Gespenster_division]

Not true at all. Historically there was never a Palestinian people until 1948, up until 1918 Jews were being persecuted just like every other non-muslim people in the middle east.

[Gespenster_division]

It was the Arabs who attacked first. They lost. The price was land.

[TruthBringer]

Another load of bullcrap. If you've actually indulged in the history of the holy land, you would find out that Jews, Christians ad Muslims were living peacefully before the modern state of Israel even came to existence. The Jews were mostly being prosecuted in Europe and often the middle-east was their refuge. Time to open a history book.

[TruthBringer]

Also, there was no "official" nationality of the Palestinians because they didn't need one. However, they were RECOGNIZED as Palestinians. It's even written in the Balfour declaration. It's only after being murdered and ethnically cleansed that the Palestinians called upon a nationality. Because the excuse of "they don't exist" is being used to torment, murder and displace the Palestinians. While they were very much there and they have a long history in the land. Come back when you don't have propaganda talk that are easily debunked.

[NathanDavis]

@TruthBringer I have one quick simple question for you, since you mentioned that you stand with the people of Palestine, if possible, I would like a simple answer as well

Do you also stand with and for, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad ideas and actions? or just stand with the civilians of Palestine?

[TruthBringer]

@NathanDavis Hamas? Hell no. I condemn anyone who endangers innocent civilians. Whether it is Hamas endangering Israelis or Israelis endangering Palestinians. I stand with innocents of both sides. I simply choose to voice my stance with the Palestinians more considering they are far more oppressed and suffering under a state which claims to be "humaine" and "democratic".

[NathanDavis]

Right, that's the definition of conflict, and this one happens to be one of the most complicated out there. Thank you for the reply.

[TruthBringer]

@NathanDavis The thing is, the fools are quick to think that just because someone stands for the people, that they somehow condone the actions against other innocents. And frankly, that's also recognized within your question. Because apparentely, many here think that just because someone stands for the idea of liberated Palestinians, they are somehow anti-Jewish or pro-Hamas. Which are false labels and accusations in order to desperately censor the opposition of the Zionist state.

[NathanDavis]

Yes, I know that, which is why I asked. I just noticed about how many and most people just take a light and easy stand on this matter " People killing is bad " well it sure is, that's undeniable.

But I also noticed your comments and that a very important fact didn't come out, which is Hamas, the Islamic Jihad,... people don't seem to know about the ties to Hezbollah, neither how Fatah pretty much "quit" their efforts, and so on... so I was just curious why the omission from your part as well.

It was obvious to me that you know as much and probably more than I, on the full history of the conflict, so I just wanted to be sure as per your nickname, TruthBringer.

[TruthBringer]

@NathanDavis Those who point to Hamas are easily debunked considering they are addressing the symptom of the illness while neglecting the illness itself. The illness is the entire conflict since the beginning. And that is as you said, complex. But it's very important to not leave out the context. People are easily throwing shade at the Palestinians for Hamas firing rockets while neglecting an entire conflict and what has lead to those rockets firing. Not to forget to mention Hamas has been established in 2005 of 2006. While this conflict has been going on since 1947. Where was Hamas then?

Blaming Hamas for firing rockets is like blaming a woman for punching her rapist who has been violating her many times. Hezbollah in itself is a whole different story and they are outside of Gaza and the west bank.

In the end, I stand with the innocent people who want to live in peace. Whether they are Israelis or Palestinians. But ignorant people like Gespenster and Lottifan would easily throw the terms "antisemite" around because they don't hold the intellectual capacity to come back with valid counter arguments. So they do what every ZIonist does, falsely accuse others of hate crimes while they are simply taking stance against an occupier who is notorious for violating international laws and commits war crimes.

[Gespenster_division]

The innocent people are the Israelis getting rockets fired at them living in fear under the threat of genocide.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Another invalid argument. Look at the death toll between the two sides this week alone and then come back to me with the meaning of Genocide. And that's not even mentioning the death toll on both sides since 1948. Try again. You have failed once more.

[Gespenster_division]

Israel is merely protecting itself and targeting the missles fired at it.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division The same can be said for Hamas taking your logic. What are they protecting their citizens against? Puny little rockets that get intercepted 90% of the time? And who do they attack? Children. Before you reply with "they use human shields", let me also burst your bubble that that's an invalid argument aswel considering Israel has FAILED to provide verifiable evidence to that vclaim which they use as an excuse to bomb urban areas and kill tens of children in the process.

PS: Still waiting for evidence to your claim that I'm condoning the massacre of Jews. While you clearly don't condemn the massacre of Palestinians. Which goes to show you're also deserving of being called a Nazi

[Lliam]

You're correct, TruthBringer.
Gespenster_division is parroting Zionist propaganda. He should try cracking a book instead of ignoring actual historical facts.

[TruthBringer]

@Lliam Exactly, not to forget to mention he failed to point out where I am "anti-semitic" as he tries to frame me to be. Clearly shows he is another brainwashed Zion puppet who has been neutered from the truth. The typical outdated Zionist ad hominems (that have been debunked numerous times before) are a dead give away on their own

[Lliam]

Yep. I wonder if he knows about the King David Hotel or the Nakba.
His version of history is like the version of U. S. history that used to be taught, in which the government was protecting innocent settlers from Native American savages. So pathetically shallow. Such propagandized, mentally stunted zealots are incapable of contemplating reality.

[Dragonpurple]

Seems to me most the world would like them to live in peace, but at the same time they keep blaming Israel for defending itself.

Israel is far more restrained than I would be if my neighbor kept shooting rockets at me, I'd eventually just level the entire country to the ground... whatever it takes. I also would treat one rocket attack as a declaration of war... not business as usual.

It is sad though that they are under constant attack and so many terrorist organizations and countries want their utter destruction and genocide.

[Searlas]

Because many people don’t understand shit on what’s happening, all they do is make noise because someone else is doing it. Israel moved out of Gaza back in 2005, signed peace accords but what happened, the Hamas: The Palestinian militant group that rules Gaza doesn’t want to abide by the peace accords and wanna fight, and cry victim, occasionally launching rockets targeting Israelis. If the militants care about their people, they ought not start war with someone with a bigger gun. Sad that when there is war, innocent civilians die and suffer, warlords ought to know better if they care. My heart goes to the lost innocent lives.

[The_Maphio]

I don't know. Ask the anti-anti semites in the US or EU why they are so stalwart in defending random jews around the world while they root for Palestine to take over Israel by force.
I believe that the issue is in a rather observable lack of working brains being distributed to people from the 70s - 80s and then throughout every single new generation.

[razelove]

No, it's not anti-semitic, it's just pro non-semite lol

[RonyBorgo]

I have nothing against Jews, you have beautiful and strong women and Israel is one of the countries where I would like to go, very beautiful culture and architecture

[g0d_of_GaG]

Architecture in Israel is actually really plain.

[Leavesbound]

Palestinians are Semitic people too. While Israel has a right to exist, they did not have the right to take an entire nation away from it's people.

[Gespenster_division]

If you consider arabs semitic sure.

[Bellatris]

Well, if they want to 'live in peace' then they should stop trying to force out the Palestinians from THEIR land!

[Gespenster_division]

It's the opposite. The Israelis are the ones being forced out of their lands

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Quite the contrary. It's the Palestinians who are being evicted from their territories in order to make way for illegal settlements. Hence why Israel is now being questioned by the international community. Quit spreading false information about a conflict that is already obviously clear that the Palestinians are the ones being kicked out

[007kingifrit]

@TruthBringer

1. settlements are not illegal. israel owns the land and won it in war. they can do with it what they want
2. the evictions were legal and done in court. the homes were taken from jews in the war as they fled their homes and they are being returned to the people they were originally taken from ONLY IF they have proof they owned it.

[TruthBringer]

@007kingifrit 1. You don't get to decide what is legal or illegal in another person's country. The international community thinks differently to what you are saying. Israel is acting on territory not its own. So invalid argument.

2. The evictions were legal under Israeli law which only wants to further its own agenda and is acting in violation with international law. It's like Germany invading France, occupying it and starts to evict French family because the German law says it's "legal", despite these families living there for many many years. So another invalid argument.

Come back when you got something valid to say other than invalid arguments based on your wishful thinking.

[Bellatris]

@007kingifrit "Israel owns the land and won it in war."
Oh, so "might makes right" does it? Is this what justice is ultimately reduced to; anything goes, and the strongest get to determine what is right? I don't think so!

[007kingifrit]

@TruthBringer 1. the international community has no merit or value. its just a bandwagon fallacy

2. so international law is valid but not... the country it happened in

[Gespenster_division]

Unlike you Israelis belong in their land. You should put your money where your mouth is and return to Europe

[TruthBringer]

@007kingifrit All countries have to uphold international laws, including that for human rights. You would be begging for them if you were living in a war-torn country. Also, how does Israel's law hold more legitimacy than that of Palestine even while that of Israel is in violation with international law? So it's the majority of countries vs Israel. I take the side of the majority.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Oh the irony is palpable. It's the Israeli European Jews that have to return to Europe and leave the Palestinians to THEIR land where they have been living for centuries.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer Jews are from Israel. Its stupid to think that Jews are European, historically Judaism was never an evangelical religion. Jews historically did not marry non-jews. Genetically Jews are almost identical to the samartians of Israel. The samartians trace their lineage all the way back to when they left Egypt with moses and the big split of Israel after King Solomon died, Juda in the south (jews) and Samaria in the North ( Samartians).

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Many Jews in today's Israel do not have ties to ancient Israel. Their ancestors are Europeans who CONVERTED to Judaism long ago and thus have no ties to the holy land. If you truly want to trace back the roots, then check out the Ethiopian Jews. Who are ironically being discriminated against in Israel. So quit trying help a people claim a heritage that isn't theirs.

[007kingifrit]

@TruthBringer only silly children believe in international law

[TruthBringer]

@007kingifrit Ha, because you say so? Majority of countries worldwide do. Your words against the world. And you expect to be taken seriously lmfao

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer Europeans did not not convert to Judaism. There were Jewish exiles all over the old roman empire. Those communities grew over time in Europe. There were all Jewish communities all over the Middle east, India and as far away as China. Jewish communities actually converted from Judaism to Christianity especially in Spain after the reconquesta.
Eithiopian Jews are fleeing to Israel to escape Muslim persecution.
DNA tests prove Jews are basically the same despite thousands of years of separation and that Palestinians are not natives of the land.

Samartian woman.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Once again, you seem to miss the point that plenty of Jews living in Israel aren't tied to that land themselves considering their ancestors happen to be Europeans who CONVERTED. Not every single Jew is a Semite. And many Jews living in Israel aren't of Semitic origin themselves. Hence why they have no ties to that land. While middle-eastern Jews actually have more ties to that land than the Europeans. Same goes for Ethiopians (who are being discriminated against). But of course ZIonism wants you to think that every Jew is a Semite. WHich is a lie. Just because I convert to Hinduism, that doesn't make me an Indian. Try again.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer nobody converted to Judaism. Judaism is historically not a religion that has ever had a lot of concerts. 90% of all Jews are semitic, DNA testing has proved this when compared to the samartians. The samartians are a hebrew people just like the Jews. The consist of the other tribes of Israel. The left Egypt with moses.
If you are a 6th generation hindu indian and don't live in India you are still an Indian.
It's the Palestinians who have no connection to Palestine being of Arab descent, moving in after the muslim arab invasions. Essentially the Palestinians are colonists. It's much the same all over North africa with arabs not being the native peoples there.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Yeah hence why so many Jews who have converted to Judaism (yes you can convert) are seen as "not real Jews". The Palestinians originated from Arabia, and many Jews in Israel today are from Europe. Really not hard to understand. Try again.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer you Can convert to Judaism but few ever do or have. Many Jews in Israel are from all over including Iran and the middle east. Its not the first time Jews returned to their homeland.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division At this point you're backpeddling. Read my comments again, it seems like they are going over your head.

[Lottifan]

[TruthBringer]

Oh the irony and hypocrisy in these two pictures lmfao

[TruthBringer]

Here you go:

[Lottifan]

@TruthBringer
I suggest if you know nothing about the facts you keep your ridiculous opinions to yourself

[TruthBringer]

"ridiculous opinions". Since when are facts opinions? Israel is under fire of criticism because they keep violating international law and committing war crimes. But please don't let me stop you from absorbing all that false IDF bullshit propaganda while you support a state that's on a killing spree of innocent children. GTFO. Your pathetic Zion lies are exposed and the world is waking up to the crimes of Israel.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer @TruthBringer so your anti Israeli keeping their land Jewish and restricting immigration but are also against white colonialism in Africa. Oh the irony and hypocrisy of it all.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division You couldn't be more far from the truth. The picture I've shared shows similarities in apartheid. Never did I say Jews cannot go to the holy land. I sure am against Jews going to the holy land in order to create an apartheid state which favors them over those who have been living there far longer than they are. Come back when you have valid arguments to give, other than false interpretations to what someone is saying.

[Lottifan]

@TruthBringer
Israel committing crimes. Good joke. Shame they don’t do to Palestine what America did to Hiroshima.

[TruthBringer]

Oh look, there we have it. The fact you want all Palestinias to die under an atomic bomb goes to show you have no humanity. And then you're sitting here condemning Nazism. Oh the irony is palpable. Yes, Israel has been committing war crimes and it seems like you're a bit uninformed since this is a very well known thing. A bit of a Google search will help you out to see what interntaional laws Israel has violated. Afterall, Israel is the only nation that has violated most UN resolutions, which include the fourth Geneva convention.

Come back when you have something better to say, Nazi.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer the Jews have always lived in the holy land. The fact that you are opposed to Jewish immigration to the holy land but in favour of them opening their boarders overwhelming majority of arabs is hypocritical and shows your antisemitism

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Oh look, gas lighting once more. Once again. I have no issues Jews going to the holy land. I am against Jews going to the holy land IN ORDER TO create an apartheid state that puts them superior over others. As I've said. Come back when you got valid arguments to give rather than falsely accusing someone of a hate crime by deliberately twisting their words.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer but you are in favour of Muslim apartheid states and African apartheid States?

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division What the actual fuck kind of question is that? Of course not. Since when do two wrongs make a right? You're sitting here arguing with logical fallacies, which you also seem to fail at aswel. Like I said, ccome back when you have valid arguments to give. Otherwise, don't bother make a fool out of yourself further.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division While you're sitting here trying to lecture me on about my words which you have chosen to twist, you have failed to realize your little friend Lottifan here has wished death upon all Palestinians and wished an Atomic bomb would fall on top of them. You can take your double standards elsewhere.

[Gespenster_division]

@TruthBringer says the guy promoting the genocide of the Jews of Israel.

[TruthBringer]

@gespenster_division Is that so? Where did I do that? Provide me with some evidence. So far you've not even condemned the massacre of Palestinian. Which goes to show you're projecting your own inhumanity onto others. In any case enlighten us with some evidence.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

England. Anything England trys to broker just gets fucked up. Think India and Pakistan, Turkey and Greece, Arabia, Sudan, etc...

[Gespenster_division]

Nearly anywhere the British empire had to leave had a civil war. Even Hong Kong.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Even if they didn't control the area they still fucked it up. How are they so good at manipulating countries to war with each other, but so bad at brokering peace?

[Gespenster_division]

Peace isn't the goal. The US does the same thing to. Israel is basically America's 51st state.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

That is a trait inherited from the British

[Gespenster_division]

The US do it a lot better.

[Marhaban-1]

I think that it's a difficult one to go about it would be great if people would stop attacking Israel but we also can't ignore all the war crimes and breaches of the human rights act the government has broken you only have to read the news now to see the government doing that.

But its not the fault of people in Israel

[Ianto]

First, arabs are semitic, so antisemitism is not quite the same as anti Jewish, nor anti Israeli.
Second, one can reasonably criticise Israel and it's national actions without racial, religious, nor other prejudice.
Third, having some ancestors who experienced prejudice, persecution, etc does not absolve one of moral responsibility.

[Gespenster_division]

Maybe. I know arabs fought for the nazis. Hebrews built colonies and cities from ancient Israel along the arabian coast of the Red sea and it was a link to the ancient Hebrews in Ethiopia. The Arabs lived in the desert.

[Princess__Serene]

I'm not against Jews but the whiners think anti-zionism is same as anti-semitism. Yawn.

[TruthBringer]

Very well said. It's a manipulation tactic to censor anyone who speaks out against the crimes of Zionism to label them as "anti semitic". Which has been debunked numerous times.

[Princess__Serene]

@TruthBringer I know right! It's just stupid propaganda.

[user44566632]

Anyway , you can't have something against jews... and being Anti-sionism.
Some people hate jews AND HATE the existence of Israel in the same time. WTF?
It means " I dont want to see jews in my country but I also dont want they have their own country " .. it has no sense.

[Princess__Serene]

@Ludal-The-French but it's Palestine. They could live in Palestine just like anywhere else.

[TruthBringer]

@Ludal-The-French Sadly, many people conflict being anti-Zionism with being anti Jewish. While Judaism and Zionism are NOT the same thing. That's what Zionists are trying to make you believe, while in reality, they have hijacked the good name of Judaism and are using Jews as their scapegoats to further their own geopolitical agendas. The reason why people start throwing shade at Jews is pretty much comparible to poeple hating Islam and Muslims because of ISIS. While in reality, not all Muslims are with ISIS and neither are all Jews around the globe with Zionism (and the Zionist state of Israel).

" It means " I dont want to see jews in my country but I also dont want they have their own country " " - No. It means people are against the ethnically cleansing of the Palestinians. It means people are against the murder of innocent palestinians. It means people are against the apartheid state which Israel has proven itself to be time and time again. Need me to go on?

So quit trying to label people as something that their are not. Just because people criticize the actions of Israel (which are internationally recognized as illegal and in violations of international law), does not mean those people don't think Jews should have their own country. They are simply against the idea that it should be at the expense of other innocents.

[Pete671]

perfectly said!,,,

[Celtero]

I don't understand either. Like... Palestinians are terrorists. They constantly bomb Israel.

So what's the solution lefties? Move Israel? To where?
Because right now you're suggesting they just take the bombs and do nothing about it.

[strateguy632]

correct and don't forget p. l. o. hijacked planes.

[007kingifrit]

long story short. after ww2 the nazi sent 10s of thousands of troops and supplies to the middle east to train arabs to fight israel

[Gespenster_division]

True. The soviets sent a lot of captured German weaponry and surplus lend lease us and British military equipment to Israel in the early days.

[humanearth]

And they say the slaves had it rough and they did. That just a small time compared to the 1000's and 1000's of years of Prosecution of the jews. They really got the raw deal

[SlightlyEccentric]

So you think any criticism of Israel is antisemitism?

I bet you also think any criticism of black people is also racist, don't you? Stupid moron.

[InfobotLives]

It is not necessarily antisemitic to disagree with Israel and what they do. No nation should be above criticism, nor should any people be able to hide behind claims of prejudice in order to act with impunity.

[karaspara]

Yes they do no question for me people disagree with how Israel was created so assume Hamas are not terrorists when they absolutely are go Israel

[strateguy632]

hammas has long been recognized as terrorist. correct.