Israel. Why is there so much global Antisemitism against Israelis. Don't they deserve to live in peace free from attack? (Page 2)
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They deserve to be thrown out of the land they occupy.
Says the American. Mexico wants their states back, the native Americans want their land back.
I am European and I support the anti Americans.
Then go back to Europe
I am in Europe lol
It's easy to dislike Israel because of how they were given their lands. But the Arabs turned down the UN deal, not surprisingly, because it wasn't all that equitable. Besides, this hatred has been going on for thousands of years. Nothing surprising here.
you say "not" equal but what yes? 80% to arab jordan was not equal because benefit arabs.
@strateguy632 Why don't you go read up on the whole process before you try and form an opinion?
Ofc they do but its hard to make that argument whilst bomb areas full of civilians yes they are amazing at ham's but past a certain point u are just killing random people
They are under attack.
OK and the answer is not to kill randoms that are not attacking them in the first place its like u killing my brother so I blow your house up whilst u and your family are inside
Agreed the Palestine need to stop firing rockets into Israeli civilian areas
Yet its not the palastians as a whole that are doing it yet its the civilian populas thats dying as a whole but meh u have shown that the lives clearly don't matter so I guess we will leave it there
@gespenster_division Israel needs to stop breaking international laws and cease to occupy territory that which doesn't below to them. On top of that, bombing innocent civilians with no verifiable evidence to why they are bombing that which they do, but still ends up causing many casualties including children.
Its pointless he dont care he pretty much showed that in the last response just ignoring the fact that its civilians being bombed not the ones doing the crime
@boggboss Yeah he is one of the many who address the symptoms of the illness while ignoring the illness entirely. This is why context is so crucial. Something he deliberately chose to leave out to serve his confirmation bias
Istali civilians are being bombed
Have u checked the casualties reports on both sides?
During ww2 we lost a lot more to the raf and usaf than the British did during the blitz.
Whats your point one injustice dont justify another injustice a small number off shit people as shooting missiles into Israel the the response is to bomb city centers killing mostly civilians u guys are just as bad of not worst atm
@boggboss I doubt he has. It also seems like he forgets al the UN resolutions Israel has violated including that of human rights. Not to forget to mention they have been dropping white phosphorus from F-16s which is a war crime. But that goes over his head aswel
@gespenster_division Invalid argument once again, mate.
Because he dont care people like him is what allows the situation to continue blond zealots
Blind*
When build a nation of the most shit on religion throw out history, People that like shiting on that religion are going to shit on that nation. I don't approve of it but that the world.
Peace is nice to have, but impossible to obtain. No matter what there will be some country or group of people who wanna kill. For whatever reason they can think of, if they can justify it in their heads and get the weapons/power to do it, they will.
Israel murdered 300 children two wars ago. Children.
@anonymous
Shame it wasn’t 3000
@Lottifan did they? How many guys did the Palestinians murder last year? Gays.
@Lottifan Oh look, we got the same dude crying "antisemitism" while wishing death upon 3000 palestinian children. Tell me how that doesn't reflect Nazism, you bloody hypocrite?
@TruthBringer
People like you are just not worth replying to.
@Lottifan Why? Because I condemn you wishing death upon thousands of Palestinians including children? The only reason why you don't want to respond is because you don't have the debating skills in order to respond properly. Hence why you're easily debunked and you also manage to expose your own hypocrisy and double standards. But by all means, keep crying victim, little nazi.
@Lottifan You sound like a Nazi
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If you know nothing about the facts keep your ridiculous opinions to yourself.
@Lottifan No you advocated genocide, which sounds awfully like a Nazi to me. And I don't like Nazis, so you can piss off.
and the palestinians tried to murder 100x that number every day they exist. its just israel stops them by being stronger
you confuse weakness for virtue
@TruthBringer. Exactly! Sadistic, genocidal racists.
@Lottifan and this is why people despise Israel and the jewish community that protects them. They endorse killing innocent people and then turn around and play victim when people fight back. If you want to talk like that fine, but don't bitch and whine if Palestine mass murders Israeli children. This is why I don't understand support for Israel, they only difference between them and Hamas and other terrorist groups is that Israel is funded by the US, thats it.
@hellionthesagereborn all war kills innocent people. its not an argument against war. let the 2 sides fight and let the mighty end it. that is true peace
@007kingifrit agreed look how many wars would have ended quickly without peace keeping drawing them out.
@007kingifrit Sure, but Israel has provably targeted innocent people, even during times of "peace". As for letting the might win, fine might makes right, if you want that route I'm okay with it. . . provided that the US gives palestine all the money and weapons its given Israel and then backs off and takes away their support of Israel so that its a fair fight. Until then, this isn't a fair fight as Israel is paid off by the US and has all of our tools and weaponry and Palestine has no allies because they are all afraid of the US. So until that happens, that isn't a legitimate argument. When Israel uses false flag attacks against Palestine and the US (yes they have attacked the US on several occasions with no consequences), violates multiple cease fires and treaties (over 400 now) and actively targets women and children, openly executed unarmed civilians, use chemical weapons etc. etc. etc., you cannot claim they are the good guy period. That isn't a legitimate argument. You want to say both sides are assholes fine, but Israel is by far the bigger one and the one who has been causing sever issue with every one in the middle east (their is a reason why every one of their neighboring countries hate them, its because of their actions).
@hellionthesagereborn nope, might makes right. i didn't say anything about equality or treating both sides fairly. might makes right, and one side is clearly more useful to me than the other is
also even in your sceiario the palestinians would be wiped out. they are against western values why should i show them any humanity
@007kingifrit Okay, so if I put a bullet in your head, their should be no legal repurcussions? You have never complained about anything Palistine has done or any terrorist has done? I'm sorry but we both know you don't believe that at all. What you do believe is the side that your for should be allowed to act in any capacity they want but every one else has to play by the rules. "rules for thee not for me", its a very leftist attitude. For me, I don't care what your opinion or value system is as much as I care that you administer it equally and fairly. I do not tolerate hypocrisy, if the rules apply to them they apply to you, anything else is just cowardice and weakness and I cannot abide either of those traits.
Israel is like a narcissistic psychopath who breaks into your home, brutally beats your wife, cripples your son, rapes and kills your daughter, steals all of your possessions, says your home belongs to them, and then reports you to the cops, claiming that you threatened them and that they are an innocent victim of bigotry.
@hellionthesagereborn and @Lliam Absolutely well said!
@hellionthesagereborn if you can kill me and not be defeated by my superior law enforcement and military then hey, more power to you
but you can't, im mightier than you so im right
@007kingifrit. Eezraelis are pussy ass cry babies. They shit their diapers at the sight of a Palestinian child. Reminds me of the way a girl shrieks and climbs on the furniture at the sight of a mouse.
But Eezraelis have good reason to fear. Their sadistic paychopathy is haunting them and I hope they reap the whirlwind.
@Lliam so you say they are afraid and then you say their fear is justified... which means their actions done due to them being attacked are justified
you're just a jew hater
@007kingifrit. Learn to read, ZioNazi. I said their sadistic psychopathy is haunting them. Any serial thief, murder, torturer is going to fear a comeuppance. The whole world is seeing Israel for what it is.
@007kingifrit "You're just a Jew hater" typical response from a Ziopig who can't come up with a valid counter argument. Always hiding behind the "Antisemitic" and "its HAMAS!" card
@007kingifrit Not to forget to mention you're in no position to lecture anyone about hate considering you're a hater of Muslims yourself. Classic case of hypocrisy here. Which is funny because you're taking a stance against Palestinians, who are Semites themselves. Your little Zionist battlecry of a shaming tactic has already been debunked multiple times and doesn't work here. Next time before you call someone a "Jew hater" (for simply criticizing the government lmfao), make sure you don't engage into hypocrisy and stop hating on Muslims and middle-easterners in general, little Nazi
@TruthBringer hating muslims is logical and sensible, they are bad. jews do not do harm to anyone. i see no jewish terror attacks no jewish holy wars into Europe, no jewish migration threatening france
so my hatred is noble, yours is a conspiracy theory
@Lliam As you can see, these are the fools we are talking with 😂
@TruthBringer yup. It's like trying to tell a Creationist about geology.
@007kingifrit That is the most idiotic and leftist thinking I've ever heard. In short any one you support can do what ever they want, but those you disagree with cannot. That is not just hypocritical and irrational, its a sign of having no character. I don't like palestine, but that doesn't mean that Israel can just violate peoples rights and murder people when ever they see fit. Though that is the difference between me and people like you, I have principles and they apply no matter what while yours exist only to push your own agenda (again, very much like a leftist (which is why I don't understand why conservatives would support Israel since they operate on the exact same principles as muslim nations do, as leftist do (not to mention they have attacked the US several times).
@hellionthesagereborn welcome to geopolitics. my side is always right even if they skin children alive. i don't value human life, i value winning
@hellionthesagereborn Don't waste your breath on that fool. He has just proven himself to be a sociopath. Thank God the likes of him aren't actually running countries. He is only living in his fantasy world 😂
Yup, 007kingifrit personifies pure evil. It would be funny to hear that little ZioNazi pussy defend his "might is right" ideology if alone and surrounded.
@TruthBringer i do appear to be running all relevant countries actually =)
@007kingifrit. You? You couldn't win an arm wrestling contest again a little girl unless you had an army of Zionazis to torture her first. .
@007kingifrit Hahaha sure buddy, keep dreaming
@007kingifrit But your not winning? Your losing, you've lost money, you've lost resources, you've lost allies, you've lost potential resources and money, you have lost credibility and have shown you don't have value because a man who changes his values when its convient doesn't have values and thus can never be trusted. As I said, I don't even much care if you disagree, I care about the fact that your being a hypocrit (and defending and protecting a nation that has violently attacked the USA on several occasions with out consequence).
@hellionthesagereborn ok whose the "we" in this situation that you think i am? israel? my dear boy im not israel. im the one profiting off israel.
and you think israel has lost allies or resources? it hasn't. it expanded its territory and evicted savages with no more or less consequences than it had before the evictions. in the past 5 years multiple arab countries have recognized israel and cut ties with palestine.
arab countries fear palestine getting rights would cause their own palestinian minorities to agitate for separation also. They are to the arabs... an inconvenient relic of a bygone era
@007kingifrit Well I never said "we", but I'm reffering to the fact that Israel costs us billions of dollars, is one of the major contributers to unrest in the middle east which causes chain reactions of issues, and they are only able to do that because the US protects them from the consequences of their actions. This costs the US an the world substantially by causing more strife, less productivity, and more money which would be needless if we just held Israel to the same standards as we hold Palestine i. e. if you murder innocent people we treat you like a criminal because you are one. If you violently attack OUR (US) citizens, you are actively starting a fight with the US. Just consistency in views is all I'm calling for and you can't do that which is again, a very far leftist thing for you to do (they also follow the principle of rules for thee not for me, to do what ever it takes to get what they want no matter how destructive it is to others and to themselves. Its a very stupid system in my opinion).
As for Israel, yes it has lost allies. As you have pointed out, they are violently attacking their neighbors and are trying to conquer another nations territory (technically several nations (egypt and syria and Palestine (yes I know you don't recognize them therefore its okay to murder them and steal their stuff but its not okay for them to do the same to you or others because "reasons"(you have no value system nor code of honor, no character.). This in turn is exactly why every nation in the area utterly despises Israel. What, did you think that they just spun a wheel and what ever the arrow landed on that would be the group they would all hate? No, it was their actions that made every one in that region hate them. So yeah, its costed them allies and the only reason why they haven't been wiped off the face of the earth by all of their enemies that THEY created is because the US is their to make sure they never suffer the consequences for their actions.
@hellionthesagereborn you don't understand geopolitics at all. we invest in israel to build our weapons. then they give us back those weapons. it saves us money
in 1996 the CIA director asked the pentagon for a drone with a camera on it, they said it would take 6 years and 500 million... he then went to his israeli defence contractor friend and asked him the same question and was told 6 months and 5 million. our investment in israel saves us money
israel does not in any way contribute to unrest in the region either. ALL arab nations are on good terms with israel now. its the palestinians that everyone looks away from as the ugly problem
@007kingifrit I do. We waste our money and time with a group of people we don't need to. This idea that they make weapons for us then buy them back bullshit is idiotic. The very idea that we should actively try and get other nations to make weapons for us is idioticly stupid. Also again, you keep ignoring the part where they tried to bomb our embassy, attacked our ship, attacked our citizens all in an attempt to get us to fight syria for them, interesting how that works. Also just because I disagree with the situation doesn't mean I don't understand them, they are a waste of our money and that is just the facts (we spend four billion in "aid" to them every year).
As for them being fine with all the other nations, again your oblivious to what is going on in the world. The only reason why that was the case was because trump was actively trying to smooth things over in the middle east. If you keep murdering and attacking those nations ally without provocation (because it is, they send "settlers" into the palastinian territories, then when the people living their don't like Israel trying to take over, Israel use that as an excuse to murder every one in the area and then take that land for themselves (which is what they have been doing for nearly 100 years). So israel attacking their neighbors is going to undo all that hard work.
The fact is your just an ideolog, you don't think you just obey your ideologies demands. Your exactly like the far left and thats why this conversation will never get anywhere because you would have to actually think and have ideas outside of what your ideology provides and you don't.
@hellionthesagereborn no most of your post is a conspiracy theory. israel never did those things and even if they did their usefullness as a tool to wield against the arabs and force them to do our bidding
and that is priceless.
@007kingifrit No its not, its reality you just don't like it. Even in your attempt to ignore reality you admit that you don't care about the facts because again, your ideological belief is more important then the truth. Its not that they have value, its that your indoctrinated into a cult so you will never ever question what you have been told to think. Your a leftist in all but name, ironic isn't it?
www.history.com/.../israel-attacks-uss-liberty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
en.wikipedia.org/.../Jewish_religious_terrorism
@hellionthesagereborn Stop wasting your time on that lunatic. His skirt has been liften multiple times even on other posts. That guy is arguing from the bottom of his rectum and can't argue without a bunch of logical fallacies that are always incorrect. He clearly knows nothing about the whole conflict and is only supporting Israel simply because he hates Arabs and Muslims
@TruthBringer No, he isn't supporting them because he hates muslims, he is supporting them because his tribe has told him to and that is the problem. Tribalism is on both sides of the political spectrum and the only way to make sure your not tribalistic is to constantly quesiton one's views and beliefs. Unfortunately most people don't want to do that. As a result they start believing things that don't make sense (chances are if you look at your own beliefs, you probably have tribalistic views too (its biology and thats what makes it so hard to purge that mindset from us). So I don't think its because he hates muslims, I think its because he isn't thinking (its tribal heuristics)
@hellionthesagereborn Yeah he is also an islamophobe. He has been talking shit about middle-easterners and Muslims on other threads, so it only adds to the pile next to the tribalism. All in all, he sure fails at providing valid arguments
@TruthBringer I don't agree. Now not saying he hasn't done those things but their is always more to things then what is at the surface. I forget the mans name, but long story short their was a kkk member, high ranking, that became a civil rights activist. He hated blacks until he was forced to work with one. Ended up becoming best friends with her, realized that his hatred was not really his and was due to so many other things and then renounced the clan (very dangerous in that day and age as they still had power unlike today) and dedicated himself to trying to fix things. Its important to try and leave a door open, a path away from the lies.
Again, every one is wrong about things, every one has tribal tendencies, if we where to just give up all hope on people like that, then all of us would be damned. I don't think his issue is hate of the middle east or muslims, in fact I would say its more then likely he has never even interacted with one and if he has it was probably briefly. You cannot hate what you don't know. Thats why I argue with people, I don't want to be caught believing something that isn't true but I also want people to get out of the tribal mindset. Its just very frustrating when they are so indoctrinated that they will deny reality even when its staring them in the face.
@Lottifan So your advocating for the murder of children who have done nothing wrong? Is it then okay for Palestinians to wish to murder Israeli children? I mean you claim that its okay for them to be murdered, wouldn't it be logically inconsistent to argue that the other way around isn't just as acceptable? Lets look at what happened, this recent issue was to illegal settelments in Palestinian territories. In fact their are Israeli terrorist groups who use this as a tactic to antagonize and attack Palestinians. So the Palestinians have a justifiable reason to be against Israel as they have taken over their native lands, they have violated multiple peace treaties, and they use terrorism regularly against the Palestinian people (which no one likes to talk about for some reason) and many Israelies call for the destruction of all Palestinians (like yourself), so how was their actions not justified?
@hellionthesagereborn Agreed! Judging from his comments, it most likely is tribalism indeed, since he knows absolutely nothing about the subjects and people he is criticizing. He is just following someone else's narrative that has been enforced on him.
And when it comes to @Lottifan, he has proven himself to be the typical Zionist pig who ironically has the same mentality of a Nazi. He thinks it's okay for Palestinians to be blown into pieces, but don't ever dare say something about Israelis, or else you'll be slammed with the "anti-Semite" card lmfao
that wasn't murder, they were not targeted the children.
because jews are caught up in their religion as much as any religious people out there. they are anti-jew
actualy most israrlis are secular
Sure, and peaceful Palestinians ALSO deserve to be free of being attacked by the Israeli Defense Force
fair enough but palestinian aren't "peaceful. " many bus bombs and stabbing to hurt israelis.
@strateguy632 OK, I was talking about Christian Palestinians
Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semetism ain't the same thing. You know it, I know it and everyone else who stays in denial know it too.
actually it is fake camouflage to use different words for same hate. like not calling abortion killing. not calling circumcision incision. just camouflage
Military women are the best brains beauty N all that and a bag of chips they’re bad asses
They want what others have and will murder millions to get it.
I would rather have Israel running things than a Muslim Terrorists taking women and children as sex slaves.
Nope, no such thing as deserving at the end, it's about the "how do you manage to live in peace while not being a target."
Right now, everyone is failing disastrously at that.
No, they don't.
As killing kids so you can live... the last people who did that we called "Nazis".
Israeli's don't want to be going down that same path.
All these women are Israeli huh
Fucking fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
All these arab-middle Easter countries can do is fight each others.
iraq fought iran for years.
He can live by peace. But they do politicy with 1948 Borders. They cancel continue attack to New places.
They should do politicy with 1948 Borders *
They should cancel continue attack to New places
They are asshole, that bitches doesn't change my idea about them, a lot off innocent child blood on their hands, if they can do battle with palestanian people face to face, doesn't take much longer, they are just killing child and even they are scared from their ass..
Don’t try to trick us with sexy women there’s a lot of ugly ass guys there too
I don't understand, why have you chosen to display hot women. as part of your question concerned about society and politics?
I'm not complaining by the way, just curious...
i interpreted the point is those could be vacation on beach and modeling jobs but due to violent neighbors were forced to become soldiers... therefore side with the gorgeous girls, wouldn't you rather they be models?