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Actually, most Americans probably do not give it much thought beyond a generic feeling that "Europeans," - perhaps excepting the British - do not like Americans very much. In your case, on this site, you are dealing with people who it may be assumed are more passionate in their views. Thus, they are engaging with you to begin with, elsewise they would probably let matters lie.
Further, for what it is worth, Americans are actually taught in school at a fairly early age that France was their ally in the Revolutionary War - and somewhat conflating matters, that she gave us the Statue of Liberty. Indeed, to the extent Americans still study it, it is also pointed out that France was America's de facto ally in the War of 1812. Albeit that they were not formally allies and were engaged in significantly different wars that just happened to coincide in time.
The break, in the popular culture, came with President DeGualle pulling France out of NATO's integrated military structure and his demand that American military bases in France be evacuated. This was understood by most American national leaders as a - cold blooded to be sure - exercise in realpolitik. Indeed, that is why the United States did not diplomatically retaliate at the time.
However, in the American popular imagination, France's actions were seen as deeply ungrateful and even treacherous. As one leading figure put it at the time, "Do the French want us to evacuate the cemeteries too?"
For a people who lived an ocean away. Who had wanted to live their lives and had not much time for the overseas entanglements that were the world wars, however noble the cause, French actions were deeply resented. Americans felt they had been dragged away from their lives, forced to risk those lives and the lives of those they loved, to resolve what, to Americans, seemed like Europe's interminable conflicts and feuds.
Then more recently there have been episodes that seemed to put an exclamation point on the theme. Such as, for example, when President Mitterand, in 1986, refused to grant the transit of American bombers from bases in the UK over French airspace to attack Libya in retaliation for the West Berlin disco terrorist bombing that killed a number of American servicemen. France had its' reasons, but in the American popular mind, to see France seeming to side with Libya's Col. Mu'ammar Al-Qadhdhāfī was, from a public opinion viewpoint, not a good look.
To be sure, most contemporary Americans probably do not recall these episodes. However, the cultural memories linger in the psyche and remain a source of grievance that - when France and the United States, as they invariably will, clash diplomatically from time to time - those resentments surge to the fore and hence the perception you detect in some Americans.
However, it is not a quality peculiar to Americans. Speaking personally, from my German relatives I will still, from time to time, hear a snide remark about the British, the French or some other group. Indeed, you yourself have - speaking personally in our previous exchanges - have made some unflattering remarks about the United States.
None of this is too serious. It is more in the nature of passing remarks and lingering - mostly unconscious - resentments and even a touch of snobbery. (I love hearing my German aunt talk about how "uncouth" Americans can be. I don't take it too seriously and it is kind of funny in its' way. Not least because, in the next breath, she will say something good about the US.)
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At any rate, in a long history of often complex and complicated relations, invariably there will be conflicts and at the popular level that will often translate into resentments, of a largely mild and temperate nature, to be sure, and lingering dislikes. That is the way of human beings.
No matter, unless material factors come into play, most of this comes and goes without great moment. Indeed, it is noteworthy how many Americans go to visit the country whose people they believe do not like them.
Proof of the pudding, as it were.
Yes it's true, I also thought that the main reason was mainly because of the political tensions that there had been with de Gaulle and I also thought that it was also because of 2003 and the speech of Dominique de Villepin, j forgot about Libya.
other also point it out to me because when Americans come to France as tourists, they have the impression of being snubbed or looking at them with a certain contempt. I know that French people who have been to the USA say that Americans are super smiling, they welcome you with a smile, in a store customer service will really do everything to help you. It's true that the French aren't like that, but they did the same with the French themselves, it's not against the Americans, it's just a cultural difference. But yes sometimes you can run into idiots.
I have said some things about the USA, but it is not out of hatred for Americans.
So you make another interesting point. Part of the difference is cultural. The French tend to be a bit more reserved while Americans tend to be more ebullient.
This is mistakenly read by the Americans as the French not liking Americans. While, as with my German relatives, American outwardness tends to be taken a superficial and inauthentic.
That is a very astute observation on your part.
As to your last point, I did not take your remarks as hating Americans. I merely note that anyone reading those comments might take it as being such. For my part, as I also noted, I tend to view such questions geopolitically and not as a matter of being liked or disliked.
Well thank you, it is also interesting to see the opinion of your German parents thank you for sharing. For the French, the Americans are not "artificial" they just see them as very positive people and will help you the best they can if you have a problem.
In France when for example you go to the store and you want to ask for help from customer service you really have the impression that you are bothering them 🤣 So I understand that for Americans who are enthusiastic and who are used to American service are disappointed by how they are received in our stores or other lol.
Yes, it is true that some Americans might think that I hate them if they see my messages. But yes when I speak I just try to talk about geopolitics.
Never hear about the French… and I’m disgusted by my country right now. Compared to a third world country it might be better in ways but compared to its greatest point it’s a trash heap country right now… the people are rioting and burning down cities because some idiot couldn’t stop when police told him too and he died. From this an entire movement pushing Marxist propaganda piped up claiming to be for blacks but is actually making them look worse. The culture is so god damn diverse I’ve they love everybody but white people… I guess white people are the conquerors of the world and the slave owners or some bullshit and that justifies killing white people. Relationships are down the gutter… feminism makes women think if they act like men they will be happy… women in America have never been more equal (technically overly privileged), had more school degrees, made more money, and…. been simultaneously less happy. Something about being unable to find real men after taking the only thing men were meant to do… provide and protect. The police have started enforcing unlawful actions against citizens… were now in the business of paying terrorists. The idiot in charge of our country has difficulty putting together words into complete sentences and is making up new words… and to top it all off even the French are worried about us.
Joking in the last one but the rest is true. Sry to ruin your view of the American dream but it died years ago.
Well I must say that as French patriots I did not intend to come to live in the USA to realize the American dream but I do think that many French people dream of the American dream lol.
For everything you describe I must say it with extreme pain, but all these extremist movements are born in American universities, are increasingly happening in France because many of our journalists have studied in these American universities.
I heard your president put an end to it… gotta respect the French… insert retreat joke here. But in all seriousness I know. We’re poisoning the world. The irony is it’s our freedom that’s doing it.
Americans have become sheep in our time of peace and warning labels. Shoulda left the warning label off the bleach stating not to drink it the world would be a better place right now. I think this American dreams just a dream all people have American or otherwise. To think you can make it on effort alone.
We don’t like universities either. Sorry for causing you guys trouble. Blame the president for allowing it. Trump may not have been a favorite but he at least tried to stop it. In 2 years if you can make it that long the other half of our country will be taking over the courts then 2 more years it’s highly likely we’ll have an amazing president that will put this crap out with the trash.
Feminism, woke culture, and critical race theory needs to end. I’m curious from the perspective of a French woman are you oppressed by the patriarchy?
My president put an end to it? I would like but it is absolutely not the case, in reality it tries to seduce the electorate on the right and the one on the left 🤣
Yes I hope all this bullshit stops. Oh no I'm not oppressed by society and I'm quite happy to live in the west lol
We saw a news article on it a few weeks or months ago hold up…
www.nytimes.com/.../...-american-universities.html
I can't read it because I'm not a subscriber lol, but yes some French politicians think so and they're right.
But between us I hate the New York Times, it has really become a journal of woke culture, Lgbtq I was really pissed off about their ridiculous article on Napoleon🤣
Ah Napoleon… that short fucker! Just joking. In American comedy he’s always like 4’ nothing lmao usually accompanied with a temper only a short person can have lol.
But basically confirms what you said. I wonder if the new is really propaganda or if the truth is our countries just a big fucking bully to the rest of the world.
tyrant? I do not know lol you defend your interests and it is normal. Any country in history and even today have always done so so this is not a criticism of the usa lol.
In reality for the time, Napoleon was not small
I will teach you a few things, everything that is happening in American universities with gender studies, postcolonial etc. and which has invaded the Western world comes to the base of French thinkers who went to the USA and who had a great success in university and it gives our world today lol, you call it the French Theory
Bully tyrant. Same thing. The world goes along to avoid problems but America pushes too much in my opinion. I think trump would have pulled our noses out of other countries. There’s a good chance he’ll come back in 2024. Like it’s alwmost guaranteed he’ll rerun in 2024 for the presidency but I don't know that I want him as president. I like his policies but people don’t respect him because he’s already talking out his ass.
We laugh at him here even as his supporters because he just comes out and says the quite part out loud. He literally said “we’re going to make a lot of money selling weapons to Saudi Arabia”. We’re not used to our president just coming out and saying that. Normally it’s keep super quite. He was voted the most honest and dishonest president in America’s history. He’ll tell the truth about the important stuff but if it hurts his image like a kid on a playground he lies through his teeth.
Yeah Mr. Trump was a colorful character lol. In reality as a French I always mistrust any American president 🤣 do not blame me but even obama did not inspire me to trust despite the fact that he is was crowned by the media as if he were god 🤣
Obummer was a failure of a black president. He’s part of the reason BLM exists. He pushed the racism card hard
I wouldn't tell you lol, I don't know what he did right or wrong for the country
they don’t. I’m born in France i grew up there i, my family all our friends we just are very guarded people, we don’t socialize in public, we are very critical though at first… but when we get to know an American or they get to know us, you’ll se we rlly don’t dislike them lol. Funny story when i was visiting family back home in France we saw a group of travellers that are Americans but they had Canadian flags all over bc they don’t want French people knowing they’re American… we could tell they were Americans tho. I don't know i found this hilarious. :)
I'm French myself lol and honestly when we see Americans we are quite happy to see them, we find it fun and there is no hate, of course there may be some idiots like in all countries but in general the French greatly appreciate the Americans. Yes haha the story of the flag is funny
I think its partially true
French people view us as stupid and pinch ours butts when we visit their country
we get treated not so great on their land
You know there are idiots everywhere but we can't generalize.
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I have never thought the French hated us. My grandfather spent a year in France a little over a hundred years ago. He had nothing but good things to say about the French people. My uncle spent a couple of years in France almost eighty years ago and reports the same. My uncle said the people of France were incredibly nice to him. I honestly don't know who you've been talking to because as an American who has spoken to thousands of other Americans I have never once heard anyone say they thought the French hate us. The closest to that is a couple of times I have heard of French people, (I think in Paris) being snobs but I don't think that the snobbish behavior was targeting Americans specifically. France is on my travel bucket list. I would particularly like to spend a few days wandering the Louvre and a couple more at the Bibliothèque nationale. I hear they have an excellent collection on medieval genealogy. And of course I want to sample French cuisine.
This message is nice to read but I really had this conversation with Americans on this site lol
Yes, well I have had unpleasant conversations with a number of ignorant people on this website but most are nice people.
Yes, that is true
@julielamar2. You probably spoke with Americans who haven't traveled much. I have had very positive experiences in France.
The French are for the French as Americans are for Americans But that said there is an underling love for America that is really not know by people born in the 60s 70 s 80s 90s. To this date at the graves of the tens of thousands American service men killed on the beaches of France the French people have adopted these resting places of our dead they clean and service the grave place flower visit the grave regularly to clean replace worn out flags and flowers and to offer thanks for their freeing them. The people of France regularly keep in contact with the families of the soldiers who died, this has been going since W, W.2 . This is their way of saying thank you. No other country honors our war dead and us in this way.
We don't hate you, we find your country stupid and dangerous. Note that I don't include people living there, just talking about the country on a political, cultural and societal level.
All the political correctness, race shit and identity politics that are spreading in Europe come from you.
All the stupid shows also come from you, as well as the gangster culture, the "fame hunger" too.
Your country also try to dictate the EU, and through it all its member countries, what business and products they should accept, often with your own conditions.
As Jean-Jacques Urvoas once said: "The US have no allies. Only vassals and enemies".
Note that this also applies to any big power today, such as Russia or China.
Je suis Française 😅
Lol , tu es d oi
Bordeaux haha 🤣
Oui exactement lol
Je suis toujours à Bordeaux lol, mais je sais pas pourquoi ils m affichent au usa lol
Non merci, je suis heureuse en France
Yeah @MCheetah
Know what’s really funny? We spend more on our military then the next 23 countries combined… most of which are supposedly allies… sometimes I feel like Americans are brainwashed into think we’re freedom but in fact the rest of the worlds being held at gunpoint by America.
@Guanfei
I read what you said. "We don't hate you, we find your country stupid and dangerous." That means, you don't hate us, but you find us to be stupid and dangerous. If you are just referring to our government (which most Americans would actually agree with you on), then you would need to expressly say that, instead of saying "your country" which implies everyone and everything in it, as is how that phrase is used.
American tourists go to Paris and experience rude waiters and shop keepers and assume that the whole country is that way, when, largely, that's JUST Paris. I know Americans are loved and respected in many other areas of the country. Normandy especially.
thats a stereotype i remember being around even back in the 80’s-90s in movies. Like the cliche fat American family in their matching fanny packs showing up to paris acting loud and ignorant asking for directions to the eiffel tower while the boujee, snob french people in their black turtlenecks and sunglasses sipped wine and scoffed at them. 😂
I’ve heard Paris can be rude and pretentious but i don’t care where u go there’s a lot of majors cities that have rude people like that. It would be like basing your opinion of americans solely on a visit to New York or San Francisco. i don’t know how the french could hate us when. We love jean-claude vandamme here so much 🤣
Because every American I have spoken to who has visited france has stated how they are constantly treated badly by them as well as my experiences with them online has suggested they do not like america as well (though not as much as scandinavians and germans, they hate us the most for some reason). Hell even refering to us as an empire which we are absolutely not, suggests at least some disdain for the US.
Well I am neither American nor am I French but I am currently doing my studies in France and I can tell you from a foreigner perspective french people tend to come off as rude if taken at face value and Americans take everything at face value. The whole situation is a misunderstanding considering French are decent people if you take the time to meet them and the vast majority of them embrace then American culture and try to emulate it only with free Healthcare
Actually when we saved the French during WW II, we were repaying the debt from when the French saved us from the British during our own revolutionary war.
Frankly, I think it's the British who hate us more than anyone. I would be much more inclined to cut the UK and our "special relationship" loose and more closely align with the French.
Oh do you really mean it? I mean the relationship between USA and UK are so close for me. The funniest thing is that France after helping the USA, we got no advantage but the English yes because they concluded trade agreements and other advantages directly after their defeat, incredible lol🤣
@julielamar2. Yes, I do mean it. Look at the UK posters on GAG, they openly and relentlessly hate the USA. The UK has moved so far to the left that they have more closely aligned with the enemies of the U. S. I don't really see much common ground between the UK and the USA.
It's time to bring our ships, planes, and troops home from the UK. We could shift those assets toward aircraft carriers and tenders to both project power and service ships. This is not as convenient but I think it makes sense.
Oh, you know France in 2003 refused to follow the US in the war in Iraq, and in addition, Dominique de Villepin's speech to the UN really pissed off the US government. At that time, France could seem like the worst allies for the Americans, but basically we stayed quite close.
@julielamar2. Allies will have disagreements from time to time. I remember when France refused to allow our F-111's to overfly France when we attacked Libya, I was pretty frustrated, but that's just life. The UK has a genuine contempt for the U. S. which is much deeper than a disagreement.
Well I didn't think the English could have contempt for usa, are they still angry for your independence? 🤣
The U. K has been corrupted by cultural Marxism & wokeness while France is more sane.
I would rather ally with France at this point too.. maybe they can help the USA break free from SJWs.
www.google.com/.../...erican-universities.amp.html
"French politicians, high-profile intellectuals and journalists are warning that progressive American ideas — specifically on race, gender, post-colonialism — are undermining their society. “There’s a battle to wage against an intellectual matrix from American universities,’’ warned Mr. Macron’s education minister.
Emboldened by these comments, prominent intellectuals have banded together against what they regard as contamination by the out-of-control woke leftism of American campuses and its attendant cancel culture."
@julielamar2. No, the UK has just fallen off of the deep end of political correctness, which is incompatible with basic freedoms.
Because of how we get treated when we travel to France. However, I do not think it is because we are American as much as it is because we are foreigners. The French tend to look down on foreigners in their homeland, especially those who cannot speak French.
Because these Americans have looked into certain media and came to the conclusion that all of France, generally, hates America. I do not think this way.
I think it’s a love-hate relationship. French culture and American culture are as opposite as they can be. French are all about enjoying life, good food, good time, good taste. And Americans unfortunately for the most part have terrible taste and are way too practical. But French do admire many things about Americans.
yeah that is mostly true. In reality but not anymore , to be honest or very little, but in the past the French consider their culture as superior to any nation. 😅
We think that the French hate literally everyone else.
Very funny, where did this strange idea come from?🤣
Hate is a strong word, misunderstood, might be a better word, but just because you might not agree with a particular persons opinions or like an individuals personality does not mean you hate them because they are American, or English, or any other nationality.
Your comments could not be further from the truth. I have no idea what planet you live in but on this planet, the majority (not all, but the majority) of French people (specially the older generation) think really low of Americans and refer to them as "dumb cowboys" There may be exceptions and you may talk to an American or two who have traveled to France and did not experience this hatred, but generally speaking, The French consider Americans low-class Cowboys!
In these cases, it is also true that the Americans hate the French.
We Americans are retarded. We like to make stereotypes based on the first few faces we see. Lol
Lol🤣
Speak for yourself
Not everyone "wants to be a part of the American empire"
I can think of several things wrong with the US, but that's another topic
And history has proven that all empires fall one day. The same thing happened to the Roman empire, Aztecs, Chinese, Greeks
I would take what average Americans say with a grain of salt, many are ignorant (lack of knowledge) & the next time one tells you that respond by saying you saved their ass in the American revolution so its all squared.
I lived in france for a year, and they LEGIT hate Trump and Americans for voting for him. I bet the attitude has changed though since Trump lost the election...
media propaganda to help lol
literally every person I spoke with hated Trump
Personally I don't hate him and I don't like him either lol
Had visited Nice last time and I asked the guy something he made a big grumpy face, then when I came out of the shop a lady told me most of the french people are arrogant, if you don't speak to them in french they won't help you and will ignore you in an instant if you speak to them in English. I was like wtf are you serious lol
we like when foreigners try to speak French, how would you react if I spoke to you in French in your country?
@julielamar2 - you missed the point and went on defense lol
If I knew french even a little bit I would try, but if I don't know to speak what would you expect me to say?
Secondly coming back to your question - I would politely say I don't speak french and won't be able to help you?
You seen even if he told I dont know English thats fine, but to make a grumpy face and ignore - thats one thing no one wants to see :)
Haha, well, learn some little words these pretty quick now with the internet. Usually when the French see Anglo-Saxons who try even a little word to speak French we appreciate and try to help but anyway 90 percent of the French are unable to speak English so we can't answer a question in English lol
@julielamar2 je t'aime bien
@julielamar2 - sorry one person doesn't reflect the whole country. I am sorry did not mean to be harsh or anything as such. I am a chilled out person and respect everyone irrespective of which country or caste they belong to. :)
yes me too, no problem lol, you have the right to say what you think, no problem with that
@julielamar2. Yes, I found that with a little bit of effort and respect for their cultural norms, the French were friendly and accommodating.
People in the US think the French look down on them, that's what they mean, plus they're aware of the anti-US nature of the European Union.
Nah I never thought so. We love our cheese eating, surrender monkeys.
Lol 🤣
You fucking didn’t LMAO!
I personally think its a stereotype that is not based in reality.. I do know that the people that seem to hat the US the most are idiotic leftists and their democrat cronies.
LOL Because the French hate everyone who isn't French, and even then, that's not always good enough. LOL
where did this strange idea come from?🤣
It's not strange, it's true. How much traveling have you done around the world? The "French" are considered to be among the worst because they expect everyone to speak French and love the French. They are among the rudest according to hoteliers around the world, right up there with the Japanese and Chinese. Maybe you haven't experienced it in your little world, but in the great big world, the French have a shitty reputation.
like the Anglo Saxons🤣
Indeed, the Brits are also in the top 10 rudest travelers, along with the previously mentioned Japanese, Chinese, Americans, Germans, Russians, and depending on the survey, there are various other countries.
What country are you from?
I'm from the USA, and... I own a travel agency !! LOL I've got a wee bit of experience in the area. :)
I've heard the stereotype, but never quite understood it myself. If I had to guess, it has something to do with us not helping during the French revolution
To be fair ww2 was a thing so ya.
I was just under the impression we were just hated in general for no reason than what is told us by media.
It's a lot of poppycock. Just move on with your life.
yeah, but I just wanted to know where this idea came from I thought it was because of the arrogant behavior of de Gaulle and the refusal of France to participate in the Iraq war in 2003 lol
Alls I know is they gave us the statue of liberty. Mighty nice I'd say. :)
Yeah haha 😊 And we helped for your independence
The French hate us so much they literally won the Revolutionary War for us lol.
Lol 🤣
@Juxtapose. I quite agree.
Everybody I know who has gone to France said the French treat them and all tourists like shit. I don't know the merit of that statement, but that seems to be the origin.
Rumors lol but I think Americans feel like every country hates them sometimes 😂
I am an American i dont hate French in fact i would love a French woman
Good haha
When my dad was in the military and would travel through France, the French would spit at them.
I am french and i never had that vibe with americans tho
I don't know about the french, but where im from most people dont really like america or its people
americans hate every other nation
why should the french be excluded
Because a lot of americans hate evrerybody
I don't, thank god
Because the frenxh dont like... American fries.
American fries? does that exist? 🤣
Yes... they are chunked fried potatoes
news flash, a lot of countries think America is stupid
Was my comment deleted?
I don't know lol, but I didn't delete it
Well, with form recovery on my browser, this is what I said:
Really. I hear the French talk sh*t about America, all the time. Like, how we are all a bunch of "gun-waving retards" and why we don't adapt the EXTREMELY SH*TTY Metric system (which makes zero sense for real life), or how our politics are "brutish" and how we're a bunch of "bullies" and all kinds of sh*t. It's always the French, Swedish, and Canadians who talk sh*t to America the most, yet would be up sh*t's creek without us, or any very close US ally.
The Swedish? 🤣 I mean I don't know of a country that is a bigger fan of Anglo-Saxons lol. Sometimes France yes, but the Americans also do it largely with France
Because they don't have a better arugument?
Maybe lol
Prejudices passed on generations.
Yes also, but I also believe that the Americans had a certain anger against the French because France had not supported the Americans during the war in Iraq in 2003.
Are you a french girl? 🥴
Yeah
Esque vous pouvez m'acheter 2 croissant au chocolat? 🤣
Ça risques de faire trop long de route 🤣
Seulement 4 heures dans l'avion, je ne suis pas de l'etas unis, mois je suis libanais 😊
La france a occupée mon pays au passé, maintenant nous souhaitons si la france a rester ici 😏
Au Liban peuple Frère 🙂 sorry I did not understand your last sentence
Nous avous eu notre independence de la france dans l'année 1943 mais maintenant nous souhaitons si le liban n'a jamais eu l'independence car notre pays est detruit par ces politiciens!
Oui on devait partir c était prévu qu il y aurait une fin de toute façon. Oh tu veux redevenir Français?
Francais ou n' importe quelle nationalité qui respecte les droits de l'êtres humains et offrir les necessités pour chaque personne de vivre une bonne vie!
Mon roi st louis c était déjà voulu le protecteur des Libanais
Les Libanais ont besoin d'un nouveau st louis pour les protecters...
Votre president emmanuel macron nous a promis qu'il ne laisse pas les libanais souffrés lentement et je souhaite s'il peut aider les bon libanais qui veulent leurs pays d'etre un pays extraordinaire comme il etait au passé "suisse de l'Est'
No longer count on France, we can no longer help because if France did anything, it would be called a colonialist, wanting to enslave the people etc.
Who said that? People should help each other and i never cared about the nationality of the person that i want to help, what matters is that humans should help each other and let the good defeat the bad...
Anyways people have different mindsets and each person is free to think the way they want...
Thanks for this nice convo...
Je te souhaite une jolie vie!
Moi aussi
I can't imagine what he's talking about.
Sometimes friends, sometime rivals
French doesn't like us, not Americans lol
They do
thank you for these unstoppable arguments
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