@MudRucker not really cause in flu waves , people who died with the flu were never recorded as flu deaths. If we did that , the numbers for flu would look way more bad. If we PCR tested every dead person in 2018 for flu, this flu waves would have looked worse than corona. Cause incidentally we had the worst flu eat in 30 years in 2018.
The only reason corona seems so bad is cause we rely on PCR test which do not tell if someone is infected or infectious at all. There's actually no excess mortality in 2020 for example despite what everyone claimed back then.
@Goatmeal gag decided to delete my comment as "offensive" but since yours is still here, i'll say it again: "your mom is bullshit". @the stupid admin who deleted this: this is a "your mom joke", not "an offense". get your shit together.
@OddBeMe I meant that a lab leak being possible is a truth. And that this truth doesn't care about how people use it and what for. That's what we were talking about, that the lab leak is very well a possibility.
@OddBeMe, There is nothing crazy about the lab leak. The fact that specifically in Wuhan there is a not-as-secure-as-could-be lab studying coronaviruses, with gain of function research, and that the Chinese government covers up is, true, not evidence per say, only damning coincidences.
Of course, we don't do science or investigations with coincidences, which is why the natural theory was preferred. But as Brett Weinstein mentions, there are as of yet still unexplained stuff, which is where the natural theory suffers. I'm a scientist, but personally I don't believe crazy coincidences like that. I won't flat out say that it is true, only hold it as the most likely option. And most likely doesn't mean that it is true. As much as I hate Trump, and he clearly stated what he did with no evidence whatsoever, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@OddBeMe The lab is there because it is there. Maybe this area is known for its coronaviruses, and China had some outbreaks (natural ones) in the past anyway (sars, mers). That China studies coronaviruses is nothing surprising, and they are not the only ones. I don't think this is relevant.
@OddBeMe are you paying attention to the discussion? I said the reason the lab is in Wuhan is not relevant to whether or the virus came from there. Which is obvious. "you guys want to blame Asians and call it Kung flu. You may not have beaten up Asians but this rhetoric is to blame." Oh come on! This is freaking lame. Did I EVER blamed Asians or called the virus Kung flu? NOWHERE have I said that. Quoting myself from my second comment "no of course, these assaults are disgusting". The world is not black and white where you have to choose between two mutually exclusive opinion packages. Where has the world come to if I get associated to a group of people because of a specific opinion I have, which, if you look at it carefully, doesn't even warrant such an association. Are you American? Because this degree of idiot polarization doesn't feel very European to me (or from anywhere else). The lab leak IS a possibility, and yes, I consider myself to be on the left side of the political spectrum and I frigging hate Donald Trump. That the lab leak is a possibility is a FACT, and facts don't care about what is right or wrong. Or what people do with them. You can't disregard facts because idiots do shitty things with them.
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Corona is and was never more than a slightly above average flu. Wuhan conspiracy being true or not.
Bullshit
In the USA, how many people died of Covid versus the flu the last year and a half.
That will determine which was worse.
@MudRucker not really cause in flu waves , people who died with the flu were never recorded as flu deaths. If we did that , the numbers for flu would look way more bad. If we PCR tested every dead person in 2018 for flu, this flu waves would have looked worse than corona. Cause incidentally we had the worst flu eat in 30 years in 2018.
The only reason corona seems so bad is cause we rely on PCR test which do not tell if someone is infected or infectious at all. There's actually no excess mortality in 2020 for example despite what everyone claimed back then.
Corona is a government coup to take our rights.
@Goatmeal gag decided to delete my comment as "offensive" but since yours is still here, i'll say it again: "your mom is bullshit". @the stupid admin who deleted this: this is a "your mom joke", not "an offense". get your shit together.
i don’t understand why it’s a partisan thing to disagree so strongly over, if researchers are saying it came from a lab than it most likely did 🤷♂️
It's not that it was in a lab, it's more what Trump said about it. China released it to ensure he wouldn't be reelected.
It’s not becoming “more probable” unless there’s more evidence. You’re just posting speculation.
It is more *considered* to be a possibility, yeah.
@spearheadbt That I’ll go with. And it should be “considered”, just not over hyped and used to assault Asian Americans.
@OddBeMe no of course, these assaults are disgusting. But the truth doesn't care about dickheads using it to do shit things, unfortunately.
@spearheadbt yes, but we have no truth about Covid origins.
@OddBeMe I meant that a lab leak being possible is a truth. And that this truth doesn't care about how people use it and what for. That's what we were talking about, that the lab leak is very well a possibility.
Sure. And it’s possible that a virus escaped melting ice caps. Which is another theory.
But yes, China’s lying and cover up is evidence.
@OddBeMe,
There is nothing crazy about the lab leak. The fact that specifically in Wuhan there is a not-as-secure-as-could-be lab studying coronaviruses, with gain of function research, and that the Chinese government covers up is, true, not evidence per say, only damning coincidences.
Of course, we don't do science or investigations with coincidences, which is why the natural theory was preferred. But as Brett Weinstein mentions, there are as of yet still unexplained stuff, which is where the natural theory suffers. I'm a scientist, but personally I don't believe crazy coincidences like that. I won't flat out say that it is true, only hold it as the most likely option. And most likely doesn't mean that it is true. As much as I hate Trump, and he clearly stated what he did with no evidence whatsoever, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Is the lab there because of the virus being in that province or the cause of it being in that province? We don’t know.
@OddBeMe
The lab is there because it is there. Maybe this area is known for its coronaviruses, and China had some outbreaks (natural ones) in the past anyway (sars, mers). That China studies coronaviruses is nothing surprising, and they are not the only ones. I don't think this is relevant.
@spearheadbt it is when you guys want to blame Asians and call it Kung flu. You may not have beaten up Asians but this rhetoric is to blame.
@OddBeMe
are you paying attention to the discussion? I said the reason the lab is in Wuhan is not relevant to whether or the virus came from there. Which is obvious.
"you guys want to blame Asians and call it Kung flu. You may not have beaten up Asians but this rhetoric is to blame."
Oh come on! This is freaking lame. Did I EVER blamed Asians or called the virus Kung flu? NOWHERE have I said that. Quoting myself from my second comment "no of course, these assaults are disgusting". The world is not black and white where you have to choose between two mutually exclusive opinion packages. Where has the world come to if I get associated to a group of people because of a specific opinion I have, which, if you look at it carefully, doesn't even warrant such an association. Are you American? Because this degree of idiot polarization doesn't feel very European to me (or from anywhere else). The lab leak IS a possibility, and yes, I consider myself to be on the left side of the political spectrum and I frigging hate Donald Trump. That the lab leak is a possibility is a FACT, and facts don't care about what is right or wrong. Or what people do with them. You can't disregard facts because idiots do shitty things with them.
I thought it was from there way in the beginning anyway
Some conspiracies are a lot more likely than others.
I've believed that practically from the beginning, and I think it was intentional.
just goes to show, never trust the establishment or their so called experts
i think most people are retarded and have no clue about what they talk about.
It is from Chinese communist. It’s no brainer. They are devil trying to make world in chaos.
It was all for political gain
It was always just a bit short from certain.
Trump was right but he still needed to go
I believe it
Trump was right!
Indeed. Even a broken clock is right once a day.
@spearheadbt , actually broken clock is right twice a day.