I think their greatest misstep was to allow the pro-fascists to call them antifa instead of anti fascists. This allows a false wedge to be driven into people's minds between the theory of just being vaguely opposed to fascism and those who actually try to do something about it, however misguided those actions may be. Misinformation is a real problem in the US and wordplay when it comes to how things are named is the cheapest and easiest form of it.
On the other hand there is fascism. It is odd how the motivation for pretty much every fascist leader has ended up just being money. Their only intention from the start was to scam people. But fascist followers shower them with loyalty anyway - which is probably why becoming a fascist leader is such an attractive idea to a scammer.
I don't know what motivates fascist followers, though. My guess is it gives them licence to absolve themselves of responsibility for their society. And to be fair sustaining civilization is the biggest task in the world, but many hands make light work. It doesn't take much: just the confidence that it can be done and that no contribution is insignificant is contribution enough to change the world for the better forever. This is why fascists fight that message by sabotage: constantly on a quest to prove cooperation can't work if they don't cooperate. Which is actually false if the people who overwhelmingly outnumber the fascists would stop falling for it but sadly self worth has not been a priority in this country for quite some time..
Well they are fascists. They are like Mousilinies black shirts, Hitlers brown shirts, they are violent and hateful and racist people. They are openly terrorists (their own admission), and they support fascism even applauding for and supporting quotes and speeches from hitler (they didn't know who said them but they liked the idea of what was being said).
They want to destroy the entirety of society because they think, with no evidence to back it, that they in their limited knowledge and capacity know what is best for every one else and thus every one else should be forced to live their lives exactly as ANTIFA says (which is of course fascism in a nutshell (oh the irony)). They think if they tear this system down that they will be king of the rubble heap when in reality they are just going to be buried under it like the rest of us while the filthy rich and political elitst gain more power and control (because antifa and leftists don't think and they sure as hell don't know history or they would have seen this coming as this is how it has ALWAYS happened.).
There are some times where mistakes are made since antifa isn’t an organization and doesn’t have a specific leader but most of the time they do sim it at actual fascists ✅ ^
When I see anti-facist stopping freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and protests merely cause they disagree with the group, that I don't like.
I may not agree with the messages that anyone says, but I'll fight for the right for them to say those disgusting messages.
Antifa wants to silence freedom of speech if they do not like the messages. There have been people on video's stating, they are going to shut down peaceful protests and stop freedom of speech cause they don't like the messages.
You don’t understand freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you can’t just say absolutely whatever you want, you aren’t just allowed to go threaten individuals/groups of people (which is a thing fascists are kinda infamous for)
Actually its been the Antifas people that say, I'm going to so silence people cause I don't agree with their protests, such as protesting the tearing down of statues... they want to protest the government moving them. Antifa says, they are going to go stop that protest and shut those people up.
They even use violence to do so, throwing acid in peoples faces and rocks and other stuff.
I'm not talking about people threatening to kill others... if it is illegal they should be calling the police not stopping the protest. You don't understand freedom of speech clearly if you think people protesting the removal of a statue is threatening others... cause it isn't.
Not going to find them for you, don't have time... but South Carolina when the Nazi's were protesting, ANTIFA and others said, hell no... going to silence them. While I don't agree with the message that they were saying, I support their right to say it.
Portland is another example, every time the Proud boys would go out to protest, ANTIFA would organize and go out to silence them.
I support the right for all sides to express themselves, even if their idea's are bad... no one should be silenced.
They act like violent terrorists, therefore they are violent terrorists. I hate these young, bored, privileged fucks with skateboards and back umbrellas who commit arson, vandalism and assault. I don't even see Nazis doing that shit. So which is worse? I hate Nazis and fascism. Fascism (merger of state and corporate power) is the system of government that we have now. But I hate antifa worse. They despise the U. S. constitution and Bill of Rights while cynically falling back on the first amendment as a defense for their actions.
Anyone stupid enough to be ANTIFA just because they have "anti fascist" is not someone I can respect the intelligence of to take seriously. It's down there with flat-Earther and feminist logic. I mean, we've known about this sh*t for literal DECADES now. "The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists" and all that? No, you're just assholes with a superiority complex.
Just because it’s a quote doesn’t mean it’s true, from what I’ve been watching the truth is that fascists of today don’t label themselves as fascists or anti fascists. They label themselves as white nationalists or race realists, the hide under anonymous names in niche forums and use sly tactics to radicalize more people into their beliefs
Refreshing to see someone intelligent say something intelligent. And you're so right. And this side has an actually a large number of intelligent people on it. Antifa is about as anti-fascists an oxy is fascist. The Fockers burn books. Anybody trying to tell me that they're anti-fascists just because they call themselves that. Though North Korea's also the Democratic Republic of Korea. People that can't get past that are not very bright. Thank you for your intelligent comment
Will be careful what you wish for we're in a cyber war with China bombed Guam and we are shooting missiles at each other and China owns property in every country and believe me Chinese going to try to take us over one day they will probably have Russians help pretty soon I don't know if you've ever heard it before but our government want to do away with each City having their own Police Department they want to have the UN come in with thousands and thousands of people that become policeman and basically it's the communist if they can take away our Police Department they think they can rule us personally I don't like police that much but I guarantee you this if they're going to try to take away the policeman in my city I'm going to back my policeman they're not going anywhere and I don't care what kind of bad guy you are what kind of good guy you are I guarantee you even the bad guys we'll back our policeman you're not going anywhere whatsoever at any time
That's who China gets their way China still a communist state right love if they control the money they control everything and that's where all this is headed to from covid from the fake War over in Guam our politicians have sold us out so many times to China China owns all of our national parks they own so much of New York City and son real they so much property in every state it is unreal
The symbol you're using isn't "Anti-fascist", it's from "Antifaschistische Aktion". You're mixing up Antifa and Anti-fascists. They're not the same thing.
"Anti-fascism" is just a general stance anyone can take against fascism, most people in western societies feel that way but have no need to state it like that. Most people prefer not to say it because of it's mistaken association with Antifa, who cause a lot of damage and harm people.
"Antifa" is a kind of fascist, but one that favors stricter economic control.
You posted their symbol, so yes you did mention them.
If I post a swastika, should I be able to expect everyone to ignore it with relation to the rest of my post? I think not. But even so, talking about anti-fascism at all in a contemporary context must address the problem of Anitfa. These words and concepts are shoehorned together so intensely that we can't just not address the controversy.
There are loads of Antifa organizations. So yes, it’s an organization. It has meetings, hierarchy, rules, strategy, coordinating with other cells. You’ve got to pay attention to some better sources.
Did you know that the symbol was for the other party while the Nazis were coming into power? And both ideologies killed millions of people. They obviously very comparable.
I am a real anti facist liberal. So to me the whole antifa anti facist movement is just a big facistic scam. They typically are attacking liberals not facists. If they actually used that movement for good and attacked the establishment for their facistic cooperation with corporations that now are forcing you to do things against your will or censor opposition we would be getting somewhere.
Most people that are going to speak against it in your reactions or will treat you hostile for supporting the movement would be on the same page. They are real liberals who have been harmed by their fake anti facism in some way.
Antifacism is a fundamental ideology, not a movement. It isn’t organized enough to be called a movement as it has no leader.
And if you were actually anti fascist than you would realize that the majority of the people in this thread don’t understand the basics of the ideology.
Your critique on anti fascists not really taking on bigger corporations/things is valid though.
You specifically used the Antifa banner here, they have organisations that are even receiving government money and they attack people who are in favor of freedom of speech for example. So while very obscured they have different branches and even offices and websites.
There are plenty of websites you can find of local antifa branches doing their things and advertising their existance and there is quite a money flow. Journalist Lucy Brown did an analysis on this, unfortunately all her videos are taken down and while i managed to backup most of them on my external drive including one proving government funding, the one where she analysed the web of connections i have not been able to find back and i don't know of a public link (I could reupload it if you really want to see).
So antifa are a shadey organisation, or a set of shadey organisation and they have governament ties at least in the UK. So you could call Antifa a facistic organisation.
School teachers in favor of these groups however love to lie about this fact to recruit people to their causes. They then lie to you about what people are alt-right or white supremacists so you end up resisting and protesting liberals who defend against fascism. They do this to divert your attention and get you to attack what you support.
Don't ever fall for this tactic, if someone is labeled alt-right, white supremasist, nazi or whatever other hateful label they want to put on those people to get them in trouble never believe it without checking what those people are saying. Because when you listen to these 'Alt-right' people you typically will discover they aren't alt-right or white supremasist at all but liberals with real concerns.
If you live in the UK than I’m not sure if my perspective would add anything of value, I know a little bit about UK politics but not so much as I live in the US
I know, but what type of facism can be country specific or what type of stuff is going on. I understand some far right fascists groups. Specifically anti immigration groups exist in the UK but that’s about, i just don’t want to touch base on it since I don’t think I’m that educated on what’s going on in the UK^
There's a very significant difference between actual anti-fascism, and ANTIFA the splintered organization... Most importantly that ANTIFA are the single most fascistic organization active in the United States, and simply calling themselves "anti-fascists" does not overrule history or reality. Best case scenario, its members don't have a clue what fascism actually is because most of them are brainwashed college age dummies who don't see the hypocrisy.
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When a group uses facisim to stamp out any opinion, any person they disagree with, I have zero respect for them... When they were in Minnesota egging on the riots, providing weapons, and supplies to those burning businesses and destroying homes, and killing people I have mess than zero respect for them.. And before you disagree.. I was there my home and my business was destroyed by people carrying the BLM banner and the antifa patch on their arms. All because I refused to support them.. No fuck them, they are terrorists no more no less.
Everyone likes to apply the phrase "the Fascists of the future will claim to be anti-Fascists" to Antifa while ignoring that they were brawling with brownshirts BEFORE hating Nazis was cool.
Ooh i remember that phrase. Even though that quote is literally not even true. It was made up, Winston Churchill never even said that. The Texas governor, Greg Abbott tweeted a fake quote and deleted after he got dragged and fact checked for it 😭 lmao
Anti Fascism - not a problem. But not the likes of ANTIFA or BAMN, they would not know Fascism if it got up and bit them in their collective arses, and given that both ANTIFA and BAMN act like ‘Brown Shirts’ (Goole that if you don’t recognise it) they are closer to Fascists than any other organisation in America at the moment, accept perhaps The Democratic Party.
The problem is you idiots have no idea what fascism actually looks like, so you assault and intimidate anyone who expresses even a singular conservative opinion, and THAT is the problem you are completely blind to.
I understand fascism, and no we don’t go intimidating conservatives, as of course you can be conservative but not apart of the fascist far right. I have a lot of people in my family that are conservatives, I understand their perspective because of that. I myself however, hold progressive beliefs.
Their could be a valid talk about if conservative ideologies are outdated but that’s not relevant to the topic.
The point of anti fascism also is to stop your own groups from engaging in any fascist behavior.
If the majority prance as anti fascist but engage in fascist behaviour then they are merely lying about what they actually are.
there's only so many times you can say "it's not fascism" until the revolver starts to spin and everyone knows your movement is hijacked and full of shit.
And the statement of being antifascist but not declaring yourself to be antifascist is not that hard to understand. A king does not need to tell everyone he's a king no?
These movements however like most I label as retarded. The only group anyone should be a part of is one that strips everything from the 1%.
What do you even mean by your own groups? And what do you even consider facist behavior, give me an example if you’re going to make such a drastic claim.
And I never said it was hard to understand, I said that it was stupid.
Identifying as anti facist has nothing to do with pride. It’s merely and identification, there’s no reason for you to be so opposed to it especially if you claim that anti fascism is something everyone should subscribe to
I am not opposed to anti facism. I'm opposed to your anti fascism. There is a difference, you likely support empowerment of establishments unknowingly, there is nothing wrong with that. Only - you are not anti fascist by doing so.
All I said was that I’m anti fascists and now all of a sudden you think you can assume my entire beliefs 💀? Dude, I’m a whole communist. I don’t even believe in capitalism and don’t know what I said in my description that gave you that idea in the first place
Do you support antifacists oppressing the common man? If so you're a fascist. Remove the label of antifascist and you have a group objectively oppressing people who just want to be left alone. If your enemy is the state go break state ground and harads state officials. If you dont support this then you're not tied to the antifa faction operating under the umbrella of the name antifascist (but since they are the biggest group currently then automatically people will assume you're ideologically similar to them)
To support communism is foolish as is supporting capitalism. We are going to see the end of capitalism and the rise of totalitarianism in our life time.
What are you even talking about. I’m talking about anti facism as an ideology. There isn’t an antifa organization, antifa doesn’t even have a leader?
And yes, I support communist philosophy and ideology. I’m anti capitalism and anti exploiting workers, everyone should have access to healthcare and an education, food and water. If that makes me a bad person than so be it
Yes, it is an ideology but you're either completely avoiding the point I'm making to try and disassociate because if you had any ounce of understanding behind the term youd acknowledge there has been incidents of people "claiming" to be antifa (antifascist) but they're silencing people who have no systematic power. Enemies of the people if you might put another way of expressing it.
You dont need to be communist to believe those but the current system of socialism in Europe relies on the same blood sucking system as capitalism, so when that fails we are still having problems.
It's a tough call for violence and I know no one will just roll over and die but antifa is better holding a big line like charlottesville then an active day to day activism.
As a daily thing it is used as justifications for fascism to build roots from. Now if fascism has a bloated event and then gets the nuts kicked in from antifa and then disappeared like the wind, that is the game winning strategy.
They're clowns who are ironically adopting the values shown by Adolf Hitler and using Nazi tactics to forcefully suppress opposition. Here's the thing, if we were fascists, all of those antifa clowns would be dead. Fascists want a massive tyrannical covernment and burn the constitution, which is exactly what they want, yet they call themselves anti-fascists because they know kids are too stupid to look into what they're doing and see that the fascists are them.
@doopayo Antifa have their way of thinking and anyone who disagrees gets assaulted. The Nazis would not allow opposition and would end it with force. You think like them or not at all.
doopayo you are too stupid to see Hitlers Philosophy and that of Antifa. You are both radical, you are both violent to those who do not support your views, you are terrorists with no value's. You should look into communism and how the would be willing to throw your dead body in the river if it meant getting their tanks across it. Stupid people doing stupid shit. I really would question what illogical choice made you come up with Anti-fa.
I knew you were an Antifa member. The same people who attack innocent and terrorise the nation. A fucking Communist bitch with a BLM tattoo. Someone give me kyle rittenhouse's gun, at least he defended our country from these Communists BLM terrorists.
Antifa isn’t an organization, you can’t be a member of it.. and you’re definitely too incompetent to even bring up a worthwhile conversation. I am communist ✅ and proud.
Facts don’t care about your feelings, capitalism is failing. In order to advance society capitalism is gonna have to end. The rich are getting richer while the poor are getting increasingly poorer. Americans are working increasingly more hours just to make a living. Affordable housing is becoming increasingly more difficult for the average American to find.
Capitalism is failing because you don't want to work! YOU don't want to work because why bother when you can suck uncle Sam's cock to get your welfare check and food stamps! When you can loot and burn the city and have the media call it a "Peaceful protest". When in truth should have been dealt the same way China dealt with 1989 Tiananmen Square protests
Those “communist” countries never claimed to be communist, also wtf are you even talking about. Russia isn’t communist, you need a system update. The Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore and the SU never achieved communism. Their goal was to strive for communism but they ended as socialist
The difference between communism and capitalism is this. One is a "command economy" the other is a "demand economy". Google it.
Also, Marx talked about the "withering away of the state". If you are a true Marxist are you in favor of an Utopian state where government ceases to exist?/
China claims to be socialist/not communist, but in practice it’s really just a capitalist country with huge income inequality problems
China is a thoroughly capitalist country and that is why there is a sizeable elite of wealthy capitalists — owners of various kinds of businesses. The elite hold onto the name “communist” for the party because they don’t want to lose face and because occasional socialist rhetoric helps to bolster the party’s sense of legitimacy to rule.
When the old Soviet Union collapsed in the early 1990s, the old ruling class was made up of the political apparatchiks, elite planners, industrial managers, and military brass. Many of the people in the elite had gained their positions through the “old boy network” of Komsomol the Communist Party youth organization. Many in the bureaucratic class by the 1980s saw the economic doldrums or stagnation of the USSR economy as rooted in its inherited scheme of collective state control. Many in that old elite began to see that they could enrich themselves if they could switch to capitalism and they used their positions of power to do just that, seizing stealing, basically various public assets which became the basis of wealth of some of the new class of capitalist oligarchs.
In China they also went through a shift like that towards seeing a capitalist future for China. But the elite pursued this change in a more controlled way, without throwing off the old Communist party. They needed the party’s monopoly of state power to be able to push through the new direction for China while keeping a lid on potential unrest. They had just gone through the faction fight of the period of the socalled Cultural Revolution and the pro-capitalist faction had won.
The difference between communism and capitalism is way more complex than that. And yes, the point of communism is to stop exploiting people- especially the working class.
The hierarchical or top down character of the state allows it to serve its basic function, which is to defend the interests of a dominating, exploiting class of some sort.
In a communist society the masses would be the ones essentially making the rules, which makes way more sense than hoping privileged and corrupt individuals do it for us
@doopayo A foreign company cannot set up shop in China without the Chinese government owning a large stake in the company. This includes sharing patented technology with the government. Therefore, it is still a "command economy". The government does not allow competition.
American corporations like Nike and the NBA send people like LeBron James to suck Xi Jinping's dick so he allows them to do business in China.
So in a way you are correct. American business is corrupt.
This isn’t actually communism, despite people labeling it as such a total command economy would conflict with some of the core beliefs and principals which is “workers owning the means of production”. In a communist society there would be no higher power as a true communist society wouldn’t have class.
in a communist society stuff like healthcare, education, food and water would be free therefore those specific industries wouldn’t have any domestic competition since that would defeat the purpose of communism.
In capitalism people are able to own schools, healthcare and are therefore able to exploit it under the system of capitalism for their own benefit regardless of how harmful it may be.
To simplify, Capitalism promotes individuality and competition where are communism promotes community and working together for the benefit of all.
In a pure command economy, there’s no competition at all. As the central government owns all the businesses. A decent example of something like this would be North Korea. I believe in China the reason why they keep a lot of the land is cause it keeps the wealth in their hands.
Kind of like how the baby boomers are hoarding almost all the wealth, while the younger generations statistically have more debt and are paying the highest rent cause a huge generational wealth gap.
You just ignored everything I just explained about a pure command economy not being communist…under communism stuff like food and water, education, and healthcare won’t be competitive meaning there wouldn’t be sketchy companies doing stuff to try and make more money like it happens and is rewarded under a system of capitalism.
You’re the one that’s cutting past and trying to simplify a topic that you claim to have gone to school for.
Healthcare shouldn’t be competitive, there’s no reason why people should die because they can’t afford their medical bills. America has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world.
As to healthcare, it is expensive because Americans are a bunch of lard asses. The rate of diabetes and heart issues could be lower just by changes in diet and exercise. That would billions in yearly.
I think it’s a value I don’t feel the need to make into a separate movement. I’m a crazy anti government leftist though, so I guess I’m anti Fascist by default. I think people at least here in the US prefer or have been conditioned to prefer, living under fascism.
I find anti-fascists to be a violent group all about spreading anarchy alongside their own ideas of how people should interact. They i pose these ideas by making every other view point invalid or fascist and then fight others outside the limits of the law. In essence, if they were ever in power they would fulfill the requirements for being fascist.
Ironically fascist while claiming not to be. They actually assaulted a gay reporter with a milkshake full of concrete. They are terrorists plain and simple.
Did you actually look at the full story or do you just believe every single thing conservative media spoon feeds you, what you described as your example doesn’t fit the dictionary definition of terrorism.
Ngo is not an innocent victim but a far-right sympathizer who has doxxed antifa members in the past, potentially facilitating their harassment, and provokes them so that he can broadcast the result. The outpouring of sympathy for Ngo, in this account, is actually evidence that the mainstream media is falling for Ngo’s grift — funneling money to his Patreon and legitimizing a right-wing smear campaign against a group that’s working to protect people from the threat of violence from groups like the Proud Boys.
Not to mention, the beliefs of antifa aren’t fascist. They’re to fight facism by all means, yes some antifa protests and such can be violent. But so does literally every political belief, for example; trump supporters storming the capital.
You can’t just say trump supporters are all angry racist because of the trump supporters that raided the capital with confederate flags.
Just like you just can’t do the same with antifacists. This is the far right extremists attempt at radicalizing normal people into sympathizing with fascists.
If you’ve ever been to a rally than you’d know theirs no way to “control it” so if a couple of people get out of hand it’s stupid to discredit the entire beliefs of the people at said rally.
Especially since a lot of people that organize antifa rallies acknowledge that theirs a chance that people might break out violence so they have people to mitigate those situations if they ever do happen.
All I got from your ramblings was you believing that antifa never provokes fights. And for you to be such a dishonest apologist for their actions while claiming that groups like Proud Boys (who are in no way an extremist group whatsoever) are constantly the aggressors who are getting what they deserve is just insulting.
And I don't know why you people always assume I watch "conservative" media. I don't but neither do I watch leftist media outlets who apologize and even praise antifa like they are some kind of heroes. They're not and never were. They're terrorists plain and simple, as I've already said once.
If you think the January Capitol Riots were terrorism but antifa burning down government property in Portland wasn't, well then you're just a blind fucking fool and I can't help you.
English mustn’t be your first language than cause I never said that and I only assumed that because what you were saying was the popular narrative a lot of conservative media was spreading
It is my first language. I watch videos and base my judgements on what I see. I've seen plenty of them. All antifa committing unprovoked assaults and men, women and even children (teenagers specifically). All antifa rioting, burning and destroying (with the help of BLM of course). All antifa showing sympathy to communism while being completely ignorant to what it really entails (ie useful idiots).
Modern antifa looks to the days of early 1930's Germany as inspiration, completely ignorant to the fact that Germany at the time was in complete political turmoil. You think the US now is politically bad, Germany was far worse. A squabbling of political parties vying for power. It was not two parties fighting like it is here there were several of them at least. All power hungry and all willing to do the worst in order to secure power. The German Communist party was one of them and antifa were their brown shirts.
To say they simply fought the Nazis out of moral obligation is a complete lie. They were simply political opponents who needed to be silenced, which is exactly how the Nazis also viewed the communists.
Getting back to my point, I don't need bickering and dishonest political commentary from anyone to see what's going on. Antifa is a huge problem and there is no getting around that. Especially when they threaten to go to the suburbs and kill people they suspect of being "sympathetic to fascism."
Antifa isn’t an organization, antifa isn’t an individual. It’s a ideology, it isn’t organized. Obviously their is a risk for violence just like every political belief in history has had violence. But it’s stupid to discredit a belief just because of violence, despite the fact that anti facist violence is most only aimed at extremist violent facist, and that the majority of antifa do their stuff peacefully. But the media never covers that cause that kind of stuff doesn’t make eye catching headlines
OP demonstrates they support Terrorism, the use of physical violence and intimidation in the pursuit of a political goal.
From a global perspective we see you for who you are without any rose-tinted glasses.
You are more evil than the people you claim to fight, because you attack far more innocent people, have institutional support, and an apparent get-out-of-jail-free card from attorneys who sympathise with your terrorism - no matter what you do or who you harm.
ANTIFA is actually Fascists in of its self. They use terror to control people and physical attack people and harass anyone with a view they don't agree with.
Because that’s the only thing the media likes to cover, most media companies aren’t objective. Most aren’t even news, they’re merely entertainment with agendas behind them.
I hate fascism as much as the next guy but all antifa does is run around like lunatics in balaclavas and beat the shit out of people they disagree with or even random passerbys calling them Nazis to justify this behavior.
"Oh, show me 'round your snow-peaked mountains way down south Take me to your daddy's farm Let me hear your balalaikas ringing out Come and keep your comrade warm"
Antifa is anti racist and anti racist. Their are anti fascists that are communist but their are anti fascists that aren’t communist, mostly in my perspective antifa members Tend to be anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state. But their are still some social democrats and others on the American left
Just as bad as facism? I’m guessing you know nothing about facism or what it is, because if you did theirs no way you’d find similarities between the two as they’re significantly different beliefs
You are displaying the flag of ANTIFA in your question which as closely connected to communism as the swastika is to fascism. ANTIFA is very up front and outspoken about their support of communism. Communism has murdered even more people than fascism has. They are not good people
If you don't want people to make that connection to your question then don't display such a prominent symbol of communism such as the flag of ANTIFA with your question.🤨
Communism and antifacism aren’t the same thing, nor are they the same ideology. I already explained, you can play a facist communist, just like you can be an anti facist.
Lastly, what do you mean by “antifa is very up front and outspoken about their support for communism” ? Antifa isn’t an organization, nor does antifa have a leader. So how would you know that in the first place, communism is its own thing.
It’s not my fault you yourself don’t understand the difference.
Young Lady It is well known what ANTIFA is really all about. After the 2016 election (When you were only about 10 years old) they caused widespread civil unrest in the United States for the better part of a year. Wearing masks they committed arson they caused riots, clashes with the police and assaulted people in the streets. They use violence, fear and terrorism to push their agenda. You can watch videos on YouTube for 10 hours of this chaos. And many of them were wearing t shirts with Che Guevara on them so don't give me this rubbish that they are not pro communist. Those so called anti fascists are every bit as violent and dangerous as the people that followed Hitler. Based on their behavior there is little doubt that they would be murdering people of they ever gained any positions of power.
Don’t spread misinformation. People are burning down churches in Canada that have hundreds upon thousands of unmarked graves on sites that had been church-run residential schools for indigenous children.
People are angry, rightfully so at the Catholic Church as they ran the majority of the schools that tortured and stripped indigenous children from their culture.
There’s quite literally no evidence or even anyone talking about antifa in relation to the burning of Catholic Churches in Canada.
You can find it on YouTube with a simple search. So you think it's okay to set fire to churches and persecute people that you don't agree with? Huh? There is a term for that. It's called tyranny. These protesters are the same sort of maggots that protested and persecuted Vietnam Vets at the airports when they came home from that war back in the 60s and 70s. They are the absolute scum of the earth. You are still just a child. If this is the direction you are headed in then don't be surprised if you find yourself in a jail cell when you are 18. Many protesters do often get in serious trouble with their antics.
The opposite of communism is Freedom. Political stand points as well as political opinions that range as group communions , are at some point communism. Freedom is entirely expressed by one individual at a single time , not a majority or popular vote which turns into socialistic facet of communion of others at once.
Fundamentals of many communist ideologies such as socialism have the fundamental belief of freedom of speech, voting, the right for everyone to have healthcare, the right to an education. Communism is anti capitalistic, not anti freedom.
Socialism is a fundamentally democratic ideology. Socialism puts the people in charge, not the rich and powerful. However the manner that this is achieved/done varies.
The fundamental belief is that the eco money is much too important to just be put in the hands of only a small fraction of the population.
Communism is a dictatorship involving one leader who instructs the people to do as told by the regime. Death follows those who opposition the leaders commands. The people have 0 freedom outside the fractional parameters of demanded provisions of command. The freedoms of communism u are mentioning are actually only priviliages , not rights of the people. They're propaganda from the regime to entice the people to prompt the idea that they're cared for in exchange for strick command and sacrifice of they're God giving rights as a human. Freedom , there's NO such thing under governmental laws in any country that people are actually able to express themselves promptly or freely as they wish outside of a capilist earning potential. Socialism does NOT put the people in charge , but rather strictly mandates they obey the dictatorship or the government of that country. The rich in a country are only powerful because the government is interested in them arranging propaganda and advertisement for the government to make the people believe the government is right in all aspects. The rich also feel they have a special power over all the others and generally love to spread they're dark stupid demonic nature against all the rest of us.
Communism and dictatorships are two different things, communism is an economic system where as a dictatorship would be a governing system.
You’re also mixing up “communist state” from “communism”, a communist state is one where it has a one party state that is administered and governed by a communist party where as communism.
A communist society would mean workers own the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption. It would mean a classless and stateless society, essentially with the end goal of ending the exploitation of workers.
I just feel capitalism is outdated, it makes no sense we live in a world where there are people who have multi millions and benefit off the exploited and underpaid working class.
I don’t think it’s morally ethical for people to be homeless, especially in America where we have enough homes to literally end homelessness but we don’t do that because of our inherently capitalistic society which doesn’t help or benefit those with low socioeconomic status.
Communism and the communism state are both the same thing. Let's put it this way... Doopayo name one dictator who did not put his political rivals to death? HMM? Can you name one? Here you call it free speech. Oh how un-educated you are. Go to China or Venezuela, Cuba or some other communist country and let me know what happens to you if you start bad mouthing the CCP in china... Ohhh poor doopayo disappeared.
None of the countries you stated have ever claimed to have ever achieve communism. They’re only communistic in the sense that their goal (or at least their stated goal) is the establishment of a communist society.
And no communism and communist state are different, a google search could tell you that. I can’t believe I have to explain this further, a communist state would be a form of government; Communism is an economic ideology.
For example America’s current form of government would be an oligarchic republic, with its economics being a mixed economy, exhibiting characteristics of both capitalism and socialism.
You really shouldn’t be on this thread if you can’t tell the difference between an economic system and a form of government …
Anti fascist ideology highlights to fight fascism using both violent and non violent means. The majority of anti fascist protest is non violent though, and we aren’t dealing with “issues” we’re dealing with fascists.
In order to understand why anti fascism is the way it is, a fundamental understanding of fascism needs to be understood. Most people believe fascism is just anything that’s aggressive or they view as aggressive and use that to say antifa is actually fascists when the accurate definition for fascism for what antifa is fighting would mean neo nazis, sexist groups, white supremacist groups, etc.
Fascism isn’t something that can be dealt with peacefully as fascists aren’t peaceful, their core beliefs literally involve inflicting violence on at least someone. So anti fascists can’t be all rainbows and hugs when it comes to dealing with fascists and fascist groups.
For example someone who believes in the great replacement. The great replacement theory is inherently a fascist concept that I’ve seen a lot of undercover neo nazis believe in as it calls for eugenics which we all know how that ended when the nazis did it.
Have you ever considered the fact that your ideas are meaningless. The neo nazis of today don’t outright admit to being fascist or anti fascists, they hide under the label white nationalist or race realist
fascism isn't an ideology girl. it has no beliefs, no goals, no values. it almost doesn't exist
fascism is just what people resort to when the system stops working and there is no way to fix it. its violence and a rejection of institutions in order to repair perceived societal damage.
so to be anti fascist as an ideology is inherently subversive. it doesn't make sense and isn't possible. everyone is a fascist if things get bad enough. so the people who claim to be anti fascist as an actual ideology rather than just against individual examples of fascism are to be regarded as untrustworthy
Anti-fascism is fascism because the political spectrum is a circle that starts and ends at the same point so extreme violence is used by the far left and the far right in equal measures
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Being truly against fascism is obviously a GOOD thing. Just like being against socialism, marxism or communism
I would argue against that as I’m communist. I don’t believe in capitalism, just look at how “good” it’s doing in the US. Our economies so “superior” that it nearly crashed during the pandemic and now that it’s getting somewhat better, guess who’s benefiting from that? Cause it’s probably not you, or the majority of Americans. It’s the wealthy, they’re benefiting off of the hard working class.
The middle class in America statistically are being forced to work longer jobs just to be able to sustain themselves, meanwhile we have multi millionaires so rich that they’re having their own mini space wars. Benefiting off of overworked and underpaid workers.
I went on a little tangent.. but those are my thoughts on capitalism
know all that, but the problem is worse - fascism has been around for a long time and seems to arise in certain groups of people almost spontaneously, making me think it is more a function of psychopathology than anything else. Sadists and psychopaths have always been with us, and fascism is their default language.
antifa are fascists who hate free speech and suppress the rights of others who have views that differ from their own ideology. antifa is as much anti fascist, as North Korea is, democratic.
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I find it ironic that most of them are fascists themselves. Not unlike how the most racist people in the West today are those calling themselves "anti-racist."
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They are all communists and should be locked uop for numeroud crimes
Ever notice how ANTIFA doesn't give a fuck about big Orgs like Black Rock buying up all the homes? Notice how they basically don't bother the big banks?
That’s a lie. Facist extremist just don’t call themselves neo nazis like they did in the past, most hide under labels like “white nationalist”, “race realists”, etc.
Unfortunately there is, the US governament is cooperating with the corporate world to bypass the constitution. That is in muscolini's definition of facism. Antifa is in favor of that and thus also facists in disguise but while easily hidden from the masses its very much a thing effecting people standing up for liberty.
@sawno antifacism is an ideology not a organization. Antifa has no leaders, so what you’re talking about literally makes no sense.
It isn’t apart of anti fascist ideologies and I doubt you have an understanding of what fascism is in the first place as Mussolini’s definition of fascism is action and it is thought; action in which doctrine is immanent, and doctrine arising from a given system of historical forces in which it is inserted, and working on them from within.
How the hell does what you’re talking about fit what Mussolini was talking about, Mussolini was a fascist. He had a way of speaking just like hitler did so he made his anti Semitic beliefs appealing and rose to power.
I’m pretty sure that’s something you can infer.
What separates antifascists from fascist is who their action is targeted against: people starting fascism.
Terrorism is the act of using intimidation in order to gain control, territory, wealth or any other desired purpose. Antifa attacks clearly fit into the category
That isn’t what terrorism is exactly, the dictionary definition of terrorism is “the unlawful use of violence and or intimidation, especially against civilians in the pursuit of political sims.” According to terrorism scholar Louis Richardson; terrorists want three things revenge, renown, and a response. Anti fascists tend to not seek renown.
Another key identifier of terrorism would be that their targets are fungible. For terrorists their targets actual political standing isn’t a big deal, as they are more symbolic.
Sharing your beliefs isn’t the same as trying to convince people, I’m just giving people a different perspective and clearing misinformation about antifascism
JesseJayNeak I don’t know why you keep saying that 😂 I never said “black people should suck off the government” all jokes aside is there something wrong with you
@SmokinAces2000 of you're not able to take me serious nor the conversation we had before then what about the fate of all black people. Is black on black crime a laughing matter too? Or is any crime committed by a black folk to any other individual a laughing matter? If you can laugh at me, then you can laugh at all black people and our issues.
JesseJayNeak I can laugh at you because you sound ridiculous me laughing at you is not the equivalent to laughing at the black communities problems, calm down you’re not that special, and also the government won’t be able to do anything if reparations are given out, you said before that the government would use reparations as an excuse to enslave black people again and you sound ridiculous 😂 Conspiracy theories do not make for a good debate strategy
@JesseJayNeak Black on black crime is a myth, it’s literally just proximity crime. You never hear people talking about white one white crime, black on black crime was created to just make it seem like black people are inherently violent because they’re black which disregards the fact that how you grow up and the environment you grow up in is a better indicator.
And statistically speaking black people are much more likely to grow up in poverty. Historically black people have been denied stuff like economic mobility (example; red lining, Jim Crow, etc) which has made it difficult for the black community to build generational wealth.
JesseJayNeak I never said the government was trustworthy, fuck the government but I know that despite what people think the government can’t literally just do whatever they want and what you are saying just doesn’t make sense as you saying it over and over isn’t making it make sense
JesseJayNeak yep I do want reparations because it’s about principle and you really have a lot of nerve calling me a liar when you continuously lie about what I say
JesseJayNeak the principle is that black people were promised reparations when slavery first got abolished but now reparations have been pushed off so much that now people say black people don’t deserve them. The way I see it reparations are owed to black people and you saying that black people “need to fix their own problems” isn’t going to change that
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