While there are many challenges, by far the biggest comes from Feminism. The Feminist movement was taken over by Marxists in the 1960s, a faction who originally called themselves the Red Stockings. Marxists were infiltrating social movements in the 60s, after entering education in the 1950s, because they figured out that they couldn't win militarily, so they set about to destroy western society through subversion. 60s Feminist leaders have talked about being pushed out of the movement by Marxist women when they refused to get on board the Marxist agenda, and the Feminists who came out of the 60s and continued to influence the movement since are all Marxists - many have admitted so openly.
Marxism teaches that a free, capitalist western society is far too strong to be directly converted to Marxism, so before that can happen, the society has to be completely destroyed, so that the people are so desperate and divided that they'll vote for Marxism.
One of the biggest threats to Marxism was determined to be the nuclear family - it's a source of strength and resilience, because families would support each other and work together to improve their situation, and that couldn't be allowed. This is why the Marxist-trained feminist leaders are so against the nuclear family - though of course they dress it up as feminism (even though it hurts women):
Feminist icons have not tried to hide their antipathy for the family unit:
Gloria Steinem described marriage as “an arrangement for one and a half people.”
Andrea Dworkin wrote, “How can anyone love someone who is less than a full person, unless love itself is domination per se?”
Kate Millett wrote, “so long as every female, simply by virtue of her anatomy, is obliged, even forced, to be the sole or primary caretaker of childhood, she is prevented from being a free human being.”
Betty Friedan wrote, “women who ‘adjust’ as housewives, who grow up wanting to be ‘just a housewife,’ are in as much danger as the millions who walked to their own death in the concentration camps… they are suffering a slow death of mind and spirit.”
Linda Gordon said, “the nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.”
Robin Morgan said “We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.”
Mary Jo Bane said, “in order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them.”
Vivian Gornick said, “being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that.”
Helen Sullinger said, “We must work to destroy [marriage]… The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men… All of history must be rewritten in terms of oppression of women.”
Notice that, over time, they've gotten more and more direct in their attacks on the family, having less and less of a need to disguise their hatred of it.
And note the last one - rewriting history. That is standard practice with Marxism. They don't want you to know the facts - they want you to learn the narrative they teach, regardless of whether it's the truth or not.
Women have been taught to pursue careers outside the home - trading a husband and family for a middle-class job - a trade most women come to regret.
Of course, race-baiting is also based in Marxism - BLM's founders described themselves as "trained Marxists" and Antifa is literally a Marxist organization. The goal, again, is to divide society, but instead of doing it along gender lines, it's along racial lines.
I think we live in the I-want-it-now, fuck culture era where there are dating apps and social media of people trying to perfect themselves with surgeries or filters. But there are plenty of people who are naturally attractive or gifted and to each their own, people can make their own choices. I think feminism frowns upon marriage. I was reading articles earlier today about how teenagers are taking longer to mature, that girls are taking longer to mature even in their 30s. This is no "female bashing" post. I have my shit that I have to fix. I truly believe the morals of life have been tainted with corruption and greed. I am not a capitalist, not am I a communist, and I know there are bunch of retards on GAG who fight and belittle others over those two stupid ideologies.
But let's focus on the western system, what does west predicate with capitalism? Wealth, money, individualism, greed, the self. That mindset has translated around the world but especially in the west. Now it seems like people chase a perfect life -- the job, the status, being a YouTuber, being a celebrity, having the moolah, how many people someone can fuck. People are filling voids in their life by doing drugs, drinking, partying, getting tats and fucking around, why? It's not because its "fun" it's because they are dealing with shit and they want some sort of placebo effect to overtake life's difficulties. What I posted, whoever gets mad because they do those things vicariously, I am not taking a shot at you, think back to a time where you were that innocent, sweet kid in elementary school. How did you get from that to version of yourself now? Reflect why? Is it because life became shittier? Well, join the party, I feel like that to but I don't feel the need to hang out with bad influences or do that stuff.
Imam Ali once said, "Take comfort for yourself in loneliness rather than bad company". Bad company (ie: bad friends) can persuade you to do stupid things, those aren't real friends. People don't seem as genuine anymore, there are girls on GAG who have openly said to me they take pride dying alone, because marrying a man would be a waste of time. Therefore, any girl who feels that way, are you that damaged inside over a few dicks and douche bags?
Well sadly your interpretation tells you why girls want to die alone, because people stopped caring about being Chartable over being selfish. I feel a lot of people say they want all this stuff but really they don't know what they want because they never experienced all the good things they refuse to have. 🤷
We live in a very confused time, I still have hope though there is still people out their who overlook the crap and just listen to their hearts and find better lives to contribute to their future and families. Their is still a lot of selfless people and other then that I just see a sea of lost souls.
@JustAnj Honestly, as a kid growing up my parents couldn't buy me everything. My mom tried her best to do what she can to buy me a Playstation or that CD player I wanted from high school... CD player reference probably would indicate I went to HS in the 2000s. Anyhow, there were certain Nike's I wanted or certain collectables and I bought that stuff now and have them in my room. But I don't feel like a happier young man. My goal in life is not to be rich, it's to be financially stable and as you said "people in life who have hope". I want to be one of those people who have hope but yeah we live in fucked up times. I was on Instagram earlier and in Toronto some dude refused to wear a mask on a ride at an amusement park and security took him down. There was another clip of a guy in a DQ ice cream store and he refused to wear a mask after employees asked him nicely, he refused and pee'd on the counter. This is the world we live in today, people seem to want to embrace living life in an untamed, animalistic way. It seems the more shit that happens in society the more vicious people want to become. I know this is off topic but if there's another huge economic crash, that will also cause concern. It won't surprise me if sex services (ie: OnlyFans, social media) increases if we enter another Great Depression in our life time as young adults. Girls will think, if I can't find the job because the economy is shit and the government isn't providing , I have to pay my bills so for some nude shows online, why not? That's also another sad reality of the misdirection guys and girls are taking these days. I want girls to be strong, educated and confident in themselves.
If sex services increases or soft porn online, people will be way more reluctant to be in relationships. Sometimes a system has to crash for people to repair and add modifications (whether that's physically or mentally). I think we all, myself included, need to reflect and prioritize important aspects of life, and it's not about money and how sexy someone is. I really do feel bad for girls especially today because so many girls feel like they will only be noticed for their beauty alone. That's another issue itself where guys can't control themselves which as a guy we are also to blame for that, but now, girls seem to go through that painful break up stage of her first love and then completely changes herself to fool around. Yep, that's life.
I feel you and my bad I was not clear about what I meant about good things, I do not mean material, I mean people go from being kids to kids who are extremely sexual so early on to adults who only know that one thing and refuse to seek and build a healthy loving relationship they just want it blantly and expect it. Nobody works on themselves and question their bad behavior and have seemed to forget what it means to accept yourself. It doesn't mean accept you will always be a shitty person (that's immature and irrational), it's accept that you make and made mistakes and it's okay just love yourself enough to forgive yourself and grow from it and move on.
With sex and media that stuff is so up and down, people are definitely waking up from it but surprisingly it's more men then women. Women seem to be falling backwards and losing identity in their inner self they were before sexualization. It's a crazy world but I am staying strong as I am a mother and all my kids are girls.
Men have a big play in this matter but it will always be both parties then need to start the end of sexualization, as intelligent creatures you'd think we would be smarter but it seems animals are showing to be more intelligent in living.
@JustAnj yeah, well I’m glad you have that mindset especially at your age. I’ve dated or talked to girls in their late 20s or early 30s and I’m like 🤔 😑
Hahaha I know what you mean and thank you, we all grow in different paces and I'm sure how my mother raised me is the reason I am this way. She is a traditional mother with a high value in how you should respect yourself and others. Especially in the sexual aspect of things. I very much enjoy the fun in being all for my husband and crazy in bed only for his eyes.
My mom showed me you can be modest, sexy, and classy without showing to much skin. That is for your man. I love my mom for who she is and I'm grateful.
Other than that there is still some girls my age who feel the same it's not all lost. 🤞
If you haven't already, I hope you find someone you can rely on and love. ❤️ Good luck out there.
I'm happy to know there is still men out there for girls like us. Stay true. ❤️
To be completely honest it has always been this way but now that we have access to all information and everyone's thoughts practically instantly. It seems like things have changed when the only thing that has changed is ease of communication. Dating apps, snap chat, Instagram, tinder, and many more make it so much easier to find temptation. If this technology was available in the past it would have turned out the same. We as humans are never satisfied and will always crave more and more. As time goes on and the older I become I have come to realize that maybe monogamy wasn't supposed to be in the playbook. Looking at how many men's brains are wired it just seems illogical for monogamy to be on purpose. Women also share the same traits , if they feel that their livelihood and security is compromised.. whether that be money or confidence in their relationship they too will stray to find what's lacking. I feel like Monogamy and marriage was a ploy for the higher ups to get more and more money. Let's take a look at how this applies. Anniversary gifts, weddings, Valentine's day, dating costs, and let's not forget cinema. So many movies about "finding the one" brainwashing women and preying on their emotional state. Let's be honest what sounds more positive? Finding someone to spend your life with who loves and cares only for you? Or just bedding random potential people to procreate? I don't know about you but the emotional option seems more pleasant to me. If monogamy was supposed to exist then I feel like men and women could easily stay faithful. Maybe we were just supposed to create human life and live like many other animal species. Oh and let's not forget the big player in monogamy.. religion. gosh I could explain more and more but this has become very long and drawn out so I'll end with this. The world has always been this way.
I disagree. Believe it or not, some people actually like monogamy. Most of human instinct developed before people lived in modern societies and the strongest instincts are geared towards reproduction and survival because without these things, life doesn't exist. People are simply a combination of their genetics and their environment, they are not one or the other. Societies were structured in a way to create order because biology alone simply wasn't enough to do it. Yes people are constantly brainwashed by all forms of media which is actually a huge problem and the ease of communication only compounds this problem. In addition, the rich have always exploited the poor and I don't expect this to change any time soon. "Humans are never satisfied" is a very true statement and it's important to realize this.
@haphazard your reply just supports what I said just In a roundabout way. Of course some people like monogamy, I had already pointed that out but the point of my statement is that it's illogical. And people can hate what I said and that's fine but at least I'm not living in a fairytale and expect humans to act like humans.
Why do you say it's illogical? Yes guys are attracted to variety sexually but I think emotionally most still want monogamy. Aren't basically all girls sexually attracted to alpha males while being emotionally attracted to beta males? Which one seems less realistic?
I'm going to say no. In one way, I see your argument because Western society has introduced many concepts to the world which can be argued has made it more challenging for two lovers to commit to one another. But, at the same time, you can argue if two people are truly determined then all of these limitations wouldn't affect two people who haven't been challenged with issues that were not introduced by Western society specifically such as being unloyal or being aromantic (that basically just means the person doesn't want to date). In my honest opinion, I think younger society today claims to value loyalty and honesty but most people dont realize that they tend to be unloyal or dishonest; or a lot of times you get to an age such as mine and your focus shifts away from romance especially when it's been multiple years from the last time you loved someone else so then you start to lose that sense of romance and thant sense of being selfless and it can be easy to start feeling extremely independent and that your the boss so therefore romance essentially becomes almost non existent until you feel lonely briefly and then move on again
What I've seen in my lifetime would suggest both yes and no.
When I graduated high school, the girls my age, many of them were married at 18 or for sure by 20 years old.
Many of those marriages have still lasted from my graduating class, a few have gotten divorces but not by the current numbers.
What I've seen happen is the whole can't get married until you graduate college, where it used to be... get married then go to college, you get more financial help (grants, loans, etc.) than if your single. I know plenty of people who went that route and many graduated with their degree and a child.
These days, people are waiting longer...26+ the issue is when we are younger we are more flexible in our relationships and personalities. The older we get the less compromise people are willing to do with the give and take that relationships require.
I've seen couples who love each other dearly not make it six months cause they were both set in their ways and refuse to compromise on anything because they got married closer to 30. Even having huge fights over which way the toilet paper is suppose to hang.
Thus those that got married older, more likely to get divorced and harder to commit to.
I think when you make the commitment when your younger, (at least it used to be, maybe not anymore) people are more likely to be flexible, compromise and determined to make it work.
Of course I see many that think of marriage as like a serious boyfriend/girlfriend thing and have no issues getting a divorce either. The divorce rate is high, but not cause of first time marriages cause those that get divorced will often keep doing it, get married and divorced over and over. Which just goes to show, is it really commitment if someone thinks marriage is just temporary anyways?
Yes. In my opinion, the worst things that ever happened to relationships in western society are feminism and pornography. Yes there are biological differences between males and females which make it difficult to relate to each other but we were able to work things out for the long run in the past. Nowdays, people have unrealistic expectations and illusory options which create turmoil and resentment. Combine this with modern technology creating a culture riddled with short attention spans and you have a recipe for relationship disaster.
Western culture has taught and institutionalized free sex, which replaces solid relationships in value for many of us in the West. But we are also a culture that has no love and no true knowledge of love, and no real desire to understand it.
Add on top of it our parents' failures and you have the perfect recipe for a society that thinks limerance and instant infatuation will really result in love, but those relationships end as fast as they started.
People also need to learn more about themselves and take the necessary steps to grow and mature to understand what a true relationship is. You'd be surprised how many middle aged folks breezed through life cuz they had to without ever really having matured, which is why so many of them are just now learning about themselves.
I wouldn't say difficult, but definitely less appealing. A relationship isn't like, say, a car, where you get it and then just HAVE it- it's something you build, and have to put in work to maintain. Our quick-fix instant-satisfaction society REALLY works against that.
No it’s still very easy. Some people make it hard. It’s a persons easy choice to commit. So many guys are so uncertain almost all the time or they constantly act like they need to be above the other person. Girls don’t like that! It goes both ways. Some girls try to act above the guy theatre with, and no guy wants to be with that. People commit to feeling equal or comfortable. Another thing is the person wants someone who feels right for them, and will stay feeling right for them, and will not settle for a person who they won’t feel good about or feel gold about long term. That’s a good thing for both people. People either commit or have a reason not to or make up reasons not to commit.
Feminism caused that all to happen and has hurt male/female relationships. It has taught not to value long-term committed relationships, monogamy, marriage, parenting/family raising, traditional values, gender roles.
Instead it has been replaced with toxic “values” such as promiscuity, acceptance of pornography and sexual immorality, “fat acceptance” and justifying laziness, blaming men for all the negative problems in relationships, the false idea of sexism (while hypocritically accusing all men of being predators, abusers and cheaters who just want to take advantage of women), and rampart misandry and man-hating to excuse and justify toxic evil demonic behaviors from the pits of Hell itself.
……. and hypocritically accusing men of playing, abusing and cheating the system that they themselves (women) allowed to be set up and created in the first place.
Yes, because our elites want a dependent underclass for political support and an abundance of skilled workers who are willing to work insane hours and move on demand to make the elite richer. Keeping people divided and convincing people that fulfillment is found in career success is their bread and butter.
i don't think society has done that. i think technology has done that. cause technology has made the classical roles obsolete in many aspects and we still are far off adapting to that new situation. and by "new" i'm talking on the "human evolution"-time scale, not the scale of an individual life.
@haphazard nope. Technological. Cause electric and motorized power wasn't a thing just a few hundred years ago. Before that, human power was vital. Your argument would have been true if we had computers, combustion engines
You expect me to believe that nothing has changed in society except for the addition of technology? That's absurd. Technology has enabled culture to change faster but it can't in and of itself direct the way it changes.
@haphazard i didn't say nothing has changed. I said technology has caused the greatest changes we ever had... Like motors, electricity, the internet, birth control, tampons.. those have changed how we behave in society. Society couldn't have made a lot of the chages that it made without those things.
It wasn't society that enabled muscle power to not be important anymore. Technology was. It wasn't society that decided to communicate across the world. Technology made that possible. It wasn't society who decided to just have sex all the time. Birth control make that possible.
I digress, it was people that decided to do those things. If anything, technology only increased the amount of free time people had, increased the speed of communication, travel, and transport. Not sure I would classify things like birth control as technology because there were such things even in ancient times. The difference being a much higher death rate of offspring which would make birth control less desirable. I think technology has only enabled people to work less, they could continue to work the exact same if they wanted to. Things like erotica and pornography promoting sex made people desire recreational sex more. Technology didn't make people create those things, it was rich people exploiting human instincts. He that controls the technology, controls the world.
No its just human nature. Women are most attracted to the best guy that can protect and provide. Men are attracted to beauty and respect. Biologically only women are meant to be monogamous. Men dont have an emotional pair bonding connection. Marriage only benefits the woman. Men arnt meant to be so sensitive or emotionally vulnerable. It difficult because now men and women have a lot of options, thats the cause. you're only gonna be as loyal as your options are
As goes with the hookup culture, so does the disposable relationships. It's too easy to find bigger and better.
Ironically we are so connected, but out of touch with each other. No one wants to build anything anymore. They just want it given to them, and if they do get anything, they don't value it as it came too easily.
Of course. It's because there are very few role good role models. I'm not just talking about in the media but in a huge percentage of families today. When you teach kids that rules don't matter & that how they feel is the most important thing you destabilize society. The same people cheerleading the chaos think they know what's best for the entire world.
Society doesn't puzzle itself, various strata of it have different standards, and, while mixing together, they try to find a consensus. Since there are so many groups, subcultures etc, various ideals, resentments and disapproved things are also present. Oriental society also has such problem.
Yes, mainly because many women have gotten more and more entitled and demanding, while offering less and less in return, and many men have become simps, cuckolds, and soy boys.
Kind of yeah. Marriage is discouraged. Commitment is perceived as being weak. And the fact that its so easy to walk out of relationships makes people reconsider their stances on commitment.
Ofcourse. Normalizing this dirty and meaningless hookup culture. Confusing lust and attraction with 'true love'. Flirting is normal even if you are married and have kids. Checking out everyone is normal and respectful.
@kc_4308 Open marriages lol. A marriage mean you both are committed to each other forever. End of discussion. But these perverts and sex hungry dogs made it 'open' and 'closed' as if it's some restaurant.
Lust, and attraction are part of love. When you love someone you have sex with them and you’re attracted to them. Flirting with someone is not normal if you are married and have kids unless you’re in an open marriage.
Today's generations there's this thing called sistuationships. Don't enough what the fuck that is. I'm old school. U like someone u asked them out. That's it. So it seems to be difficult than before
All western society did is give women the same ‘rights’ (ie the ability to choose for themselves. I find it hard to look at gender equality as making it ‘difficult’ for either gender..
Did you read the quotes I posted from Feminist leaders talking about them actively working to destroy and end marriage? That's not "giving women the ability to choose" - it's actively working to take away that choice from women (and men), even though women are the primary beneficiaries of marriage.
They outright admit - proudly - that they have intentionally created a system where marriage isn't a desirable option. Do you honestly believe that discouraging marriage is to women's benefit? Because millions of women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s would strongly disagree with you.
yup, I read it and I'm still confused why you decide to derail this conversation to involve feminism+Marx? The answer is a simple yes or no which can be backed up with things actually relevant to the majority of women living in parts of the world influenced by western dynamics.
Which does not have anything to do with the nuclear family, a host of feminist icons, or other crazy notions like being a housewife as a profession. 🤣
If you can't understand why destroying the nuclear family (which is the PRIMARY reason that men marry or commit to long-term relationships) is a factor on men and women committing to each other, then I really can't help you.
yes, feminism has ruined dating. It created standards that are impossible to meet. It has made women resent their own fathers, brothers and sons, so they want to live alone with cats. It has made men scared they will loss their money, home and jobs.
Yes, I stopped dating men in 2015. Western society has made a big impact on dating and how dating / marriage should be this concept.. times have changed
Hell yes! Heavily influenced by Hollywood, this whole hookup culture, one night stands like use and throw , too much of glamourization on social media is taking us nowhere
I think society is becoming more acceptant to different types of relationships, but it hasn't made it more difficult for committed monogamous relationships. If two people want to be committed to one another there isn't anything stopping them.
In some ways because traditional gender roles have changed and people are still finding there way with it but overall no people still catch feelings just more compromise is required on both sides of the gender equation
Commitment opens me up being hurt, and I don't want to be hurt. People treat relationships like they don't matter and sleep around on each other all the time. I basically have to decide if you're worth the potential pain.
yes. women want traditional men while they keep their "modern women" and traditional women roles when it's in their best interest... in a nutshell, they want entitlement not equality.
Plus technology with today's dating apps like IG and sanpchat women can get sex with 1 button click they have more options. Feminism also ruined them they created competitive mindset
Those were the 2018 statistics. The rate is continued to drop. I know of two that were doing wedding photography around the year 2015 posting photos of wedding after wedding as promotional hype for their photography. Since then the posts completely stopped as well as their gigs. They don't even do that any more because they don't get anything. Also check out the closings and Bankruptcy's of major outlets and stores that catered to weddings and family environments.
@ThisAndThat: Dude in the U. S alone there's over a 1 million weddings. That's a whole lot of people getting married. Do the math to see how much people That's per day, week and month.
Also 1 million weddings means 530k divorces with current statistics… assuming no polygamy weddings and all man/woman of these 2 million people getting married 1 million of which are women 424,000 out of 1,000,000 women getting married will file for divorce and succeed.
So ignore the negative of 530,000 unhappy people for 470,000 happy people? Why have covid restrictions? Comparatively of 1,000,000 people getting it only 30,000 will die… why not play Russian roulette with someone for $1,000,000 with 50/50 odds of winning chances are better.
@VanillaSalt: Silly false equivalence. One threatens with my brains being blown out to my death, the other one doesn't, besides the fact I don't mess nor will get married to a heathen woman anyways.
Divorce can claim a mans financial future. Which is worse going to jail for not paying alimony, being poor, sometimes being unable to marry again because of your finances… or death?
We’re arguing quality of life to life itself is life worth it under the weight of alimony if your already struggling?
All women are able to lie your ass into jail at any time and cry their way out of marriage.
Absolutely, western society has made ghosting so normal, that the current generation just passively does it for every kind of situation. Which makes it uard to have any kind of conversation, let alone a relationship
I don’t think commitment on an individuals part is difficult. The difficulty is finding a partner that will be committed. We’re not animals we can think and react with intelligence and logic something most animals can’t do. We use society to avoid such issues but then fools fight society saying stupid shit like “basic guidelines is insensitive to individual needs.” Selfish, stubborn, ignorant people makeup today’s people.
@VanillaSalt I'm not talking about myself having problems with commitment. I am talking about finding a partner who can do that. Being selfish, stubborn, and ignorant is a very common thing and I feel that the people naturally are that way.
@Flower7 and you haven't noticed any diference while there? even the female westerners get more feminine while there... so i don't know what nature you're talking about... if you really travelled a lot you'll notice that closer societies are to nature (people in rural areas) the more more men and women are connected to their original roles...
@wonderfulstation404 Being feminine has nothing to do with what I said or with this question. This topic is about commitment. People cheat in every country.
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