Vasectomies are almost always reversible with an outpatient procedure. Success rates, as measured by pregnancy following a reversal, range from 30 to 90% depending on several factors.
You can fuck all you want, without the risk 🤔
It's not fully reversible at all, and the longer the vasectomy remains, the harder it is to reverse.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/vasectomy-reversal-nhs/?tabname=getting-started
From the above article:
"A vasectomy, also known as male sterilisation, works by preventing sperm from the testes (the male sex glands that produce and store sperm) reaching the semen that's ejaculated during orgasm.
This is achieved by cutting or blocking the tubes that carry sperm from the testes to the penis.
A vasectomy is usually considered to be a permanent form of contraception because it's not always possible to reverse the procedure."
"Whether or not a vasectomy reversal is successful may depend on what type of vasectomy you had and how long ago it took place.
For example, the more time that's passed since your vasectomy, the more scar tissue will have developed in the tubes that carry sperm to your penis.
It's estimated that the success rate of a vasectomy reversal is:
75% if you have your vasectomy reversed within 3 years
up to 55% after 3 to 8 years
between 40% and 45% after 9 to 14 years
30% after 15 to 19 years
less than 10% after 20 years"
So no, it's a terrible idea.
Women are also being really stupid with these arguments, thinking that they're being big-brained. You're unable to see the men's side of this.
There's a big difference between telling people what to do with their bodies before getting pregnant and afterwards for start. How does a woman end up pregnant? By having sex, usually unprotected. Pregnancy happens as a result of something you chose to do, and it was preventable.
Here's how I know it's preventable: I've never gotten anybody pregnant who I didn't want to get pregnant. How? Protection.
I made sure that I never got anybody pregnant because as a man I have no say on abortion. If I got a woman pregnant and she decided to keep it, I'm on the hook for 18 years whether I'm ready for that or not. There are actually some women who'll lie to a man that they're taking the pill when they're not, in order to "trap" him. If she decides to abort and I want the child I also have no say. Therefore I wrapped my shit up and made sure I was never in that position. I always used condoms, never trusted birth control pills.
Why can't you women just do the same instead of making these silly arguments? If I were to complain that I'm on the hook for a child I didn't want you'd tell me that it was my responsibility and that I should have worn a condom or avoided sex right? It's really not that hard to avoid pregnancy and you don't hold yourselves to the same standard.
This is why I don’t take men seriously in abortion arguments. You seriously think that being responsible for a child you helped create once it’s born is taking away your bodily autonomy?
Placing the blame on women when all you have to blame is your bum self. I never advocated for vasectomies, I just suggested them. I don’t believe in forcing anything to take away someone’s bodily autonomy so if you feel that way for men there’s no reason you shouldn’t feel that way for women either.
If you’re going to mention women forcing men into sex for a kid or something than that’s a entirely different topic for a different time. It does happen and should be talked about though, that would be talking about how society downplays male victims of SA/consent/and etc etc which is a complicated and loaded question to be answered another time
You’re missing the point.
What do I have to do if I want to avoid having an unwanted child?
She totally missed the point. It's called be responsible and have safe sex. Then abortion isn't even a factor if you're responsible and don't get pregnant.
Now I will further say if you're irresponsible and get pregnant. Your body doesn't get to have more rights then the body growing inside you that you could have prevented.
We don't get to do whatever we want when it comes to ending another's life. People had their choice to not get pregnant.
Vasectomies are not so easily reversible as you make it sound. Success rates are low, and going even down significantly with the years past the original vasectomy. Male fertility is already going down the drain, you proposal would make it even much harder for men to conceive with their partner the normal way. Two remaining options:
- You want to highlight the hypocrisy of men deciding on female reproductive issues,
like the new abortion law in Texas, fine, fair, and point taken. It's just not working
towards the males that were anyway already on your side, you irk them away. The
ones against you will still hate you, and now even more.
- You're trying to improve the gene-pool by only allowing richer people that have
statistically better education and could be deemed smarter to procreate because
because they have the means to pay for fertility treatment. Darwin rules.
The solution to unwanted pregnancies is very simple.. Men and women should both protect themselves with condoms/birth control, whatever means necessary instead of thinking it's the other person's responsibility..
The guys that say because women are the ones that can get pregnant, birth control is their responsibility. But they don't get could use the same argument that because men are the ones that can get a woman pregnant, they should be responsible in preventing that if they don't want children...
Or if they can't be responsible, men should keep it in their pants and women should keep their legs closed. .
Noone man or woman, should see abortion as a form of birth control. It should be used in cases of rape/incest pregnancies or medically necessary..
I think men having vasectomies would be more responsible than the men that don't want to use condoms, and when pregnancy results they think they can walk away Scott free or use that "my wallet my choice" bullshit but I don't think it's something that should be forced on a man
No. It's best to stop pushing that it's ok to kill a human life. And it is actually possible for both men and women to avoid pregnancy by having safe sex.
In the past women didn't have access to contraceptives to avoid pregnancy like they do today. That's why they were dying of illegal abortions. Today we have access and equal rights to where we don't have to become housewives and mothers.
All we have to do is be responsible with our bodies. And we need to take responsibility for our actions because we don't have to let a man in us unprotected. That means we use birth control and make them wear condoms if we aren't ready to have a baby.
As far as rape victims, they know to take the morning after pill if they are violated to avoid getting pregnant. But rape and failed contraceptives account for a very small number of the abortions. Most abortions are done because of irresponsible sex. And that is not a good enough reason to kill another human life. It's unnecessary too.
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Vasectomies are not as reversible as some studies lead us to believe.
Also, if we're going to fight for a women's right to choose, because it's her body, her rules, then we also need to fight for mens' right to choose what happens to their bodies.
There are things that studies have shown time and again curb unwanted pregnancy and drop abortions down to nearly non-exsistant outside of life of the mother/child -
Mandatory comprehensive sex education. (lowers abortion and unwanted pregnancy rates, also we see that age of first sexual experiences rises when there is comprehensive sex ed)
Free and easily available contraception. (Both chemical for women and physical barriers like condoms or diaphragms)
Everyone has a right to manage their own body. Men are not the problem with unwanted pregnancy, women are not the problem, the problem is a lack of education, understanding and availability of other (preventative) options.
Nope and if you think altering the body for that is fine then get your tubes tied.
"reversal, range from 30 to 90% depending on several factors." why would a guy fuck up his life taking those odds? No thanks. Wear a condom, it prevents STDs as well. Or get a mesh. If you are willing to have sex you need to be willing to deal with the consequences of your actions. Men are always held accountable for their own but women try to avoid this while shrieking "equality". Do you want equality or superiority? Because it always seems like the latter.
I’m not understanding how a reversible vasectomy not being reversed is going to ruin a guys life. From what I know, that just means he won’t be able to have kids. He could always adopt if that ever is a struggle and he desires kids.
You’re also acting like sex is equivalent to doing heroine. I’m talking about specifically having unwanted pregnancies and how that can be prevented not STDS?
You’re equality rant made no sense.
yeah that's why you don't get it. For some people family lineage is a big part of their identity. My life goal is to be a biological father. I want that more than anything else in the world. And to raise my kids, be there for them, etc. I have zero interest in raising another man's kids and never will. I want my kids, my name, my lineage, that's it. Having unprotected sex without the intention of procreation is just idiotic. You can prevent both Pregnancy and STDs with condoms. Your best sex should be with your spouse anyways. And my equality rant is spot on. Men have to take on the responsibilities women refuse to. Accountability is crucial in being an adult. You do something you need to be ready for any and all ramifications. You have sex out of wedlock, you take a chance of having a kid you aren't prepared for. You go rob a bank, you get your ass shot. Accountability! People should be weighing their life choices BEFORE acting on them. That's part of being an adult.
T-8900 I couldn't agree more.
I would never risk infertility (vasectomies are reversible, but futility usually never returns and the surgery to reverse is far more invasive and isn't done under a local anesthetic. )
I know this because I wanted a vasectomy thinking I could easily revers it which is simply not true, vasectomies are mostly permanent.
@doopayo so it's not a fact that by being abstinence you can prevent all pregnancies and stds? It's not a fact that you also can live a functional life without sex? I am using facts and logic. But it's hard to have a conversation about facts and logic with a 15 year old. No disrespect I just dont think you grasp the words you are using.
People have been doing that for years and it hasn’t been working so if pro lifers are going to go and pass laws making abortions illegal in Texas than maybe we can come to an agreement if men’s bodies can be controlled just like women’s bodies are controlled? But it seems they dont feel the same way 🤔
@doopayo women have the final say in who sleeps with them. So it behooves a woman to demand the male to do as she pleases in regards to contraceptives. She can tell him to wear a condom, she can take birth control, she has plan B, she can get a mesh installed, she can have her tubes tied, etc, etc. It never needs to come to abortion. that comes from people being stupid and short sighted. People promote losers like Cardi B for example. She shouldn't even be on TV/Media because she's a degenerate. Social media is making females do very stupid things.
@doopayo women control bedroom access, period. Everyone knows this for a fact. A guy tries to take that role his ass is going to wind up in prison. Go watch the proponents for late term abortion. The cat is out of the bag. Abortionists want up to the time of delivery to decide if the child can be terminated. The slippery slope argument. It never stops with left. It's one new thing after another to keep pushing the boundaries.
I don't believe that all reversible vasectomies are
reversible; certain guys over the years, a lot of things can change, from maybe a guy, though he would want not to have children to what his wife wants them, to do this in just a few men ok, BUT NEVER ON ALL MEN.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN BANNING ABORTION that is something that should be decided between the mother, the father, and the doctor and no one else. Say a woman is raped, and her health is in danger. There are way too many things that could happen that should involve only them, for they are the only ones who know all the facts.
Just teach women specifically how to use birth control and contraceptives. Seems like half the time they specifically choose the dipshit guys who want to pullout method or use the expired condom that's been siting in their wallet for four years.
This way, women can have sex with all the Neanderthals they want without having to kill their babies.
Let's be real though, women who get abortions are also very, very stupid and even if you perfectly explained how to use contraceptives to them they'd blow it off or forget and just fail some more.
So we should test everybody's IQ once they turn 16 and all the dumb people at the bottom can be sterilized.
Trying to control birth in general is not a good idea.(especially in a way like this, it's not natural to be giving men surgeries all the time to turn their balls on and off) My thought is that if someone is responsible enough to have sex then they should be responsible enough to deal with the consequences of sex as well.
Exactly!
Bloody hypocritical misogynistic incels.
They can't go through a minor inconvenience but will do everything in their power to stop abortions, even if childbirth gives you long term health problems and your body is changes forever. Women might even die from labor pain.
They are sadists and ego driven criminal freaks.
Sure, give all the trouble and responsibilities to a woman but men crave sex the most. They can't even go through a minor inconvenience. Selfish and satan they're.
Exactly, and you should hear their “arguments”
One person deadass said a woman’s body has nothing to do with abortion? Lol and another person was like “than don’t have sex with entire football teams”
I don't know if these people are ok in the head lol
They're sadists. But ironically these same men will rape women if a woman doesn't gives them sex. They have a rapist mentality. Rapists were interviewed that why they do what they do, they straight away said they hate women and love to cause trouble in women's life and torturing them gives them satisfaction. Also in this website you will find 90% males to be misogynistic as they failed to find a perfect woman whom they can enslave as well.
Ofcourse I read their comments that's why I called them hypocrites. They're pathetic.
Exactly. It’s scary asf and not to mention the pedophiles on this site that will fight for their life explaining why they prey on underage girls because they can’t pull women their own age 🤔?
I think there should be even more strict laws where these perverts should get arrested. Also for spreading fake information and fabricated misogynistic articles about women.
A retard posted that "women know when they're fertile but they purposely get pregnant to get abortions because they hate men and are witches who practice witchcraft with blood of their own murdered child".
Sure. Whatever. However reversing a vasectomy is not as easy as you think (nor is it guaranteed to work)
But how about we focus on being responsible adults and making effective contraceptives a number one priority?
I already went off on a rant earlier about this. I think everybody is missing the f’ing point in this abortion debate. If we put in same effort and focus on sex Ed and effective birth control than we could effectively prevent more serious problems from happening. Although I’m pro life and I’m also VERY pro contraceptive. As a conservative I completely support state sponsored birth control all the way up to plan B but I draw the line on abortion.
Do you even realize how many men are actually virgins and unmarried? So it's like you're assuming they're all potential rapist or fuck boys. There is no for that and also because i am a pro choice. If even aborting is too much for you, do you even have to pay for? There's also a big chance that you can accuse anyone of who impregnated you and they're going to be charged. But if you really want to reverse vasectomy for men then that would mean women should pay for it all in fairness. It's like you're going to let someone who you are about to fuck pay for it
I know what it does but still if anyone advocate for it that, would still mean they are presuming guys to impregate a girl while trying to get away with it. So my answer is for those who advocate it. If you want to ask me that then i'm not a prolife.
Also i said "if" because most of the time, people asking questions like that would be looking for confirmation biases
It should have to be done in early teens or even childhood to be actually effective, and it is not 100% reversible. I see your point and I agree with it, but that doesn't sound like a good solution. Keeping abortion as an option, correctly educating for the parents and the children about sex and respect, and enforcing some kind of punishment in some cases is the correct way.
Any man whose against abortion shouldn’t have sex - ever.
Nor should a fertile woman, unless she has the full financial means to raise the child to adulthood without assistance.
Sadly, these hypocrites cause so many abortions (and have had them) - and are the first to rave about how awful abortions are, and how “YOU are going to hell!”. Just abhorrent people. Meth likely factors in.
There is no such thing as 100% reversible vasectomies. Roughly 7 percent of reversible operations turn out to be permanent based on how the body repairs itself and the surgeons skill. Another small percentage end up with ED as a result. Would you take away thousands of teenaged boys ability to carry on their genetics?
Or how about as a society we don't fornication ourselves to death? It's your unhealthy habits that are causing the detriment, not the result of them. People who fuck to fuck and couldn't give an iota of care towards their unborn progeny and would sooner murder them than have some responsibility are the problem.
How about instead of trying to condition the world to your wishes and desires you condition yourself to be a better person for the world?
Those vasectomies aren't always reversible though. It's not as simple as that. In fact, the longer it lasts, the less reversible it will be. Yeah it could prevent babies for the time being, but that could jeopardize our ability to have our own biological kids in the future.
That is way to extreme, there are multiple less insane ways than undergoing a medical procedure. Condoms exist, pills exist, other things to insert into a vagina that exist that can block passage. Why would i have to undergo a medical procedure twice if i could just wear a condom?
I'd have signed up long ago, I'd sign up today and I'll sign up tomorrow. Every sexually active adult outside of a monogamous relationship also needs to be on a HIV prophylactic as well regardless of gender identity or vicerally based or chosen sexual preferences. It's irresponsible not to be
Even if for no other reason than the sad truth that condoms suck
It takes a man and woman to create a child. If both men and women where smarter about their sexual practices unwanted children and sti/std's wouldn't be such a big issue. Instead of the constant debating back and forth about the issue, here is a good idea. Instead of debating the issue stand in front of a mirror and ask yourself: Am I being as safe and smart about sex as I should be?
That's a brilliant idea and a sure way to know I'll do them
Vasectomy is a thing to consider. Myself, I had one right after my second kid.
And I don't regret it.
It MUST be voluntary, though. As much as women have a right over their own body - men have this right as well.
Instead of living like a bunny, the alternative is to return society to a life that is conscious of responsibilities and also of consequences.
I'll counter with a rebuttal. Who would pay for all these? Our country is already in so much debt from medical debt. No guy is going to go willingly and pay for this out of pocket. If the people don't want to have kids, they need to use a condom. Much cheaper.
Thats what I said, no man is going to willingly go in and do this protecting his future. Same as if they were to use a condom to protect their future. Just have to make the best decision to make sure their future doesn't het messed up because of a stupid choice in agreeing to have sex without protection. This is why I asked who would pay for the vasectomy. In this case I am trying to protect your future as well as theirs when you get older. The more our government keeps racking up our national debt, the longer you and your generation will have to work before you can retire. Largely because of our medical debt. By the time you will be able to retire and get your social security money, you will be 72. I mean unless you invest wisely at a young age. It's nothing against your decision or thoughts, we just have to look at the larger picture and just make better decisions when it comes to sex.
So you say it's 30-90% effective? Tubal ligation for women is 99% effective and it's also reversible. So you females should put your tubes where your mouths are and go get tied in a knot.
www.mayoclinic.org/.../pac-20384537
Almost all vasectomies can be reversed. The statistic is cause it takes into account different variables like medical conditions that could effect it.
In general most of the reversals are effective.
If you are fine with women getting tube ligation you should be fine with men doing the same?
See, you don't directly say that women should get their tubes tied because it goes against your agenda of trying to put all responsibility on males. The math is simple... tube tying is 99% effective. If we put math ahead of feelings it makes more sense to tie your tubes in a knot than to snip a man. After all, men can't even get pregnant so if a woman has sex with 10 dudes, all 10 would need to be snipped but if her tubes are tied it doesn't matter if the random dude she meets is snipped or not. You going on about snipping men is like a firefighter talking about putting fire extinguishers in home in the city to help prevent fires in the forest 10 miles down the road. NEXT
@hahahmm I literally said if you’re fine with girls getting their tubes tied than you should be alright with guys getting vasectomies since they’re the same thing. At the end of the day it takes two to tango and no amount of mental gymnastics can make you escape that fact.
My actual point is if pro life people believe it’s alright for the government to control what women do with their bodies than why are they so against the governments controlling what men do with their bodies?
@doopayo Stop being dishonest. You did NOT put any responsibility on women or even acknowledge the correctness of my statement on the fact that tubal ligation is more effective. Now at this late stage you state an obvious fact that you didn't start your posting with or earlier response with: "it takes two to tango". Next time tell us about how the sun rises in the east.
"My actual point is if pro life people believe it’s alright for the government to control what women do with their bodies than why are they so against the governments controlling what men do with their bodies?"
I just showed you the math on why. And I gave you an example. We don't try to stop forest fires by putting fire extinguishers in people's homes. And I'm pretty sure that most pro-lifers would tell a woman to not act like a slut instead of focusing on medical surgery as a solution. Doing foolish things and then crying about the result and blaming it on men is pathetic.
I quite literally previously said if you have no problem with tubal ligation than you shouldn’t have any problems with men getting vasectomies.
No ones blaming men, you just think your being blamed because I’m putting men in women’s shoes for once showing that it’s wrong to take away people’s bodily autonomy.
If you’re against preventing a woman from getting pregnant than you shouldn’t be against a woman aborting said unwanted pregnancy.
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