Are American men done collectively when it comes to dating?

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This is a serious question, but with all these movements MGTOW, Red Pill, and Incel mentality why should quality women who are traditional , child free , and Godly wait around on America men who are blaming feminism, all women not just feminist women , and this system on all women.. I’ve been single by choice since 2014 because of the lack of quality suitors for marriage and long term. I’m not saying traditional men don’t exist , but I understand a lot of those women have used and taken advantage of those men making it hard for women who are traditional and want their goals met. Last night. I was lead not to limit myself to American men anymore. I’m not desperate for a man , but a lot of the issues that are going on are being blamed on women collectively. It’s not fair 😑 sadly , but just wondering here. I refuse to deal with a toxic man that calls himself Red Pill, MGTOW, or incels because he has an issue with women or issues that he can’t get over. Unfortunately, this speaks for decent men who are not like this.

Lionman95 · Accepted Answer

My answer to this is yes and though we´re not collectively over with dating I´d say that many guys stopped dating because it´s much effort with no countable success for at least some of us. Being a rather average looking guy that has oftentimes heard he´s too nice for a relationship dating is over for me. Yes being in a relationship would be nice but I doubt that in modern times it´s close to impossible to find a dream partner.
No I´m hating on women for that and I´m not blaming feminism because I get that you have to choose from I don´t how many likes on dating pages many of you get. I just stop because as a guy the cost of the hunt seems to be higher than the prize I get. by the way I´m not looking for sex I have a dysfunction which keeps me from orgasm properly.
Yes I have my issues but that´s my problem. Dating is way too tiring nowadays so I´d say most of us guys have stopped looking for love.

Jamie05rhs · Accepted Answer

Yes, we're done.

t-8900 · Answer

Other men are doing it too. Ask Denmark, Sweden, Japan, just to name a few. It just seems that as people become more promiscuous there's no point in marriage. It was supposed to be something special for two people to share. Once everyone else has been involved with these people why bother? That's how a lot of people see it. But for a lot of men it bothers/disgusts them when they know other men have been inside their women. If most men have a choice they'll usually go with low body count or virgin women. I dont care what any man tries to tell you on GaG or online it's the truth. I have a large group of male friends.

I might not be that savoy around women but I'm damn good at communication with men. We talk, a lot. doesn't matter if its the guys I grew up with, the guys on discord, the guys on PS plus, the guys in SWTOR, the guys on Steam, they all feel the same way. And mind you I grew up in a very liberal area, Delaware... as in where the Bidens came from? So yeah just because people try to change the script to suit the new "normal" doesn't mean most guys are down for it because for men Pride and Honor are their biggest factors on decision making in general. Now that said I dont consider every male a "man" so ladies if you have dealt with assholes just know they are the exceptions, not the rule to what a man could or should be!

sunshineglow · Answer

Maybe you are correct about this. I would rather blame whoever forces these "movements" and their hatred, into public space and media, in the US. For in Europe, it gets almost no attention, and people, naturally, don't react to this. I already had a conversation about it here on gag with a male user who asked similar question but somewhat directed, vice versa, towards women. I told him about a documentary and reportage on how and by whom are things pushed into media. If you want, I can repeat in the private messages. Don't bite this bait. Your conclusion, just as similar conclusions by many women out there, just as well as men in opposite direction, might have been planned. Hidden and mean social ingeneering at it's best.

Dargil · Answer

During and f following a nasty divorce, I chose to become a "VolCel". I did not pursue any form of M/F relationship, social or sexual. I had decided that "western"/American women were too risky and simply not worth the time, treasure or emotional investment. Feminist/"me too" social justice attitudes made them (to me) unworkable and not of much use beyond the bedroom. I realized not all women were that way, but too many were to take the risks. On old Vietnam Vet said that were like Viet Cong/pouring your coffee diring the day and cutting your throat at night. Deception and betrayal.

The key, in my opinion, is to develop and interest like back country hiking or racing, find some interest and then interview (cross examine, actually) them to reveal themselves before jumping into a new relationship. If you listen and watch carefully, you will hear and see what you need to.

TremorJay · Answer

I still think marriage is cool and a good idea. I don't think MGTOW is the majority. I have spent some time listening to 1 or 2 MGTOW leaders and they make some sense, but there's no chance in hell I would give up the opportunity to be a husband and a father.

DarkWinterNights · Answer

There is a lot of factors going on but it basically boils down to three things:
1. Marriage and divorce laws are extremely skewed against men, to the point where it’s actually foolish to get married as a man. In addition, every man who goes through the divorce court grinder is plastered on all of the mgtow sites and are used to discourage other men from getting married.
2. Online dating has destroyed normal dating. Unless you are extremely attractive you are not going to get any interactions on dating sites and traditional minded men and women are buried under tons and tons of crap.
3. Broken people make more broken people.

ToastyOats · Answer

Its the toxic media and confusing culture. I can't find any women who want to be a wife and mother. I guess now I just assume that there are very few that are interested and it is exhausting looking under every rock.
I was propositioned by a lesbian couple at a bar last night who wanted to peg me! It makes it very difficult for the majority, normal straight people in the dating scene when there are constantly weirdos wanting to put something in your butt around every corner!

Jersey2 · Answer

I know men in the early 30s and late 20s. Dating just isn’t in their radar. They make good money, have some friends and relax playing online games or board games. They just don’t care about women. One was disappointed with the quality of women, especially when it comes to intellect. They seem quite happy, never a complaint about women and frankly never discuss women, impel, red pill etc… they just live their life without a care.

Celtero · Answer

Eh, I know I am, as are pretty much all my friends. Just not into fake bullshit... playing games, everything about it is so shit. Most women are boring people and they say they don't wanna be a housewife, they don't want to save their virginity... so what's the fucking point? I have to put on a performance to impress some whore who will be my roomate I have sex with once in a while? No way. And marriage isn't worth it because it enables women to legally steal more than half your savings. Any two dipshits can get married, it doesn't mean anything.

cloakofdeception · Answer

It is truly unfair to generalize any large group of people.
some women are terrible, so are some men
but I think most people are generally great.

sadly, it does seem like certain movements (that tend to be small in themselves) create some form of collective hatred... and then they are given some podium to spew there nonsense...

IAMNathanael · Answer

I've barely even dated at all. Maybe one or two dates as a teenager. I don't like dating not because I have anything against women, it's simply just not interesting to me.

Kaamraj · Answer

Who said that men in other countries are not speaking like this, the Red Pill, is spreading rapidly in India where young men are challenging the societal ways and looking out for themselves.

Men should stop getting into bad deals which are detrimental to them.

noohair · Answer

Certain political movements want control and have used "Toxic Masculinity" as a weapon against men. Combine that with the cancel culture and you have what you have now. And there is a group of radical leftist women that have pushed this narrative.

worldscolide · Answer

Ask your feminist and leftist counterparts that question.. those groups are the direct result of that. I thank god i married a small town conservative girl.

PoliteSpeaker · Answer

The only problem you'll ever have is you
The only solution you'll ever have is you
You gotta stop focusing and getting emotionally involved with the bad of life
The whole process of mental adjustment and atonement can be summed up into one word: Gratitude.
Everything is created twice.

backdoorman · Answer

I would say things are increasingly moving in that direction, here in the US and in many other western countries.

HighValue · Answer

The good, high value men that want to create a family with someone are extremely unlikely to be interested in someone over 30. You may want to look elsewhere.
I think the reason many blame most women is because when many women have screwed over men for generations, the supposed "good women" did absolutely nothing to help those men or get laws changed. Even to this day a grand total of 0 laws have been changed by women to help men's rights, especially when it comes to divorce, alimony, and father's rights.

If you are willing to sign a prenup and make that apparent up front it will increase your chances of finding a better quality man.

loveslongnails · Answer

Can't really speak to this since I don't date men. However, if you want a guy from another country who is long term marriage minded, I'm certain you can find that with a bit of effort.

gag2021 · Answer

I do see a lot of the standoffish attitude from women on the dating sites. When I sense that, I'm done. I'm never going to bother a women if she comes across like she's not interested. No chasing. She's not interested, I'll stop communicating immediately. If they don't return a message, that's like saying they are not interested. No chasing. I don't like getting rejected. You can't make someone like you.

moviedude714 · Answer

Reminds me that I never liked the Dynamics of dating but sadly they will never change

KrakenAttackin · Answer

You do you. Finding a man overseas could be a good experience BUT, in more conservative countries you will NOT have the huge privilege and deference you enjoy in the U. S. If the relationship fails you will not walk with cash and prizes and an assumption of being "wronged". You will not get huge alimony payments or even child support. Women are not incentivised to "divorce well" as they are in the U. S.

Also, American women have a pretty poor reputation overseas. Find any Irish pub (anywhere in the world) and you will find a drunk, loud, obnoxious, American woman.

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