Are American men done collectively when it comes to dating?

[kc_4308]

This is a serious question, but with all these movements MGTOW, Red Pill, and Incel mentality why should quality women who are traditional , child free , and Godly wait around on America men who are blaming feminism, all women not just feminist women , and this system on all women.. I’ve been single by choice since 2014 because of the lack of quality suitors for marriage and long term. I’m not saying traditional men don’t exist , but I understand a lot of those women have used and taken advantage of those men making it hard for women who are traditional and want their goals met. Last night. I was lead not to limit myself to American men anymore. I’m not desperate for a man , but a lot of the issues that are going on are being blamed on women collectively. It’s not fair 😑 sadly , but just wondering here. I refuse to deal with a toxic man that calls himself Red Pill, MGTOW, or incels because he has an issue with women or issues that he can’t get over. Unfortunately, this speaks for decent men who are not like this.

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+1 y

Men in other countries are not speaking like this … why is that? It shortens a lot here and it seems American men are done ✔️?

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+1 y

I don’t online date , but dating is tiresome.. yes , I chose to remain single and hidden because of the lack of quality men for marriage and long term relationships. Nothing has changed in dating versus now other than women like me are constantly being blamed for what other women have done. It’s toxic and no sound woman wants to deal with that. As for inventing in a cat, I’ve become content being single without the stress and headache of dating nowadays or to even simply settle.

[Lionman95]

My answer to this is yes and though we´re not collectively over with dating I´d say that many guys stopped dating because it´s much effort with no countable success for at least some of us. Being a rather average looking guy that has oftentimes heard he´s too nice for a relationship dating is over for me. Yes being in a relationship would be nice but I doubt that in modern times it´s close to impossible to find a dream partner.
No I´m hating on women for that and I´m not blaming feminism because I get that you have to choose from I don´t how many likes on dating pages many of you get. I just stop because as a guy the cost of the hunt seems to be higher than the prize I get. by the way I´m not looking for sex I have a dysfunction which keeps me from orgasm properly.
Yes I have my issues but that´s my problem. Dating is way too tiring nowadays so I´d say most of us guys have stopped looking for love.

[Dchrls78104]

I've stopped looking for love, and I'm not even American.

[kc_4308]

I don’t online date and with the pandemic I’m waiting on a break where I can get out and get back into my arts

[Lionman95]

I wish you good luck looking for love. I really hope you find someone.

[kc_4308]

I’m considering meeting men overseas now.. thanks

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes, we're done.

[kc_4308]

Ok I see that thanks

[kc_4308]

Sums up everything I’ve been thinking

[Jamie05rhs]

You're welcome.

Thanks for the MHO!

[kc_4308]

Welcome

[t-8900]

Other men are doing it too. Ask Denmark, Sweden, Japan, just to name a few. It just seems that as people become more promiscuous there's no point in marriage. It was supposed to be something special for two people to share. Once everyone else has been involved with these people why bother? That's how a lot of people see it. But for a lot of men it bothers/disgusts them when they know other men have been inside their women. If most men have a choice they'll usually go with low body count or virgin women. I dont care what any man tries to tell you on GaG or online it's the truth. I have a large group of male friends.

I might not be that savoy around women but I'm damn good at communication with men. We talk, a lot. doesn't matter if its the guys I grew up with, the guys on discord, the guys on PS plus, the guys in SWTOR, the guys on Steam, they all feel the same way. And mind you I grew up in a very liberal area, Delaware... as in where the Bidens came from? So yeah just because people try to change the script to suit the new "normal" doesn't mean most guys are down for it because for men Pride and Honor are their biggest factors on decision making in general. Now that said I dont consider every male a "man" so ladies if you have dealt with assholes just know they are the exceptions, not the rule to what a man could or should be!

[kc_4308]

I’m in celibacy but a lot of men have become toxic, don’t want marriage , and don’t want anything worth while

[t-8900]

yeah thats what i am discussing with other people. at the end of the day too women broke men's trust. the only way it's going to fix it is to fix the one sided court systems. otherwise marriage will never return to a stable rate

[kc_4308]

Yes , to find a suitable husband I’ve decided not find a man over seas

[sunshineglow]

Maybe you are correct about this. I would rather blame whoever forces these "movements" and their hatred, into public space and media, in the US. For in Europe, it gets almost no attention, and people, naturally, don't react to this. I already had a conversation about it here on gag with a male user who asked similar question but somewhat directed, vice versa, towards women. I told him about a documentary and reportage on how and by whom are things pushed into media. If you want, I can repeat in the private messages. Don't bite this bait. Your conclusion, just as similar conclusions by many women out there, just as well as men in opposite direction, might have been planned. Hidden and mean social ingeneering at it's best.

[sunshineglow]

PS. I do think Americans are less romantic in some specific ways. Also, if you feel lead by intuition it's better for you to be with a foreigner one day, when you will feel ready for it, trust to it, that's the best you can.

[kc_4308]

What did I walk into 7-8 years later when did this gender war start? I left in 2014

[kc_4308]

Facts 100 about foreign guys

[Dargil]

During and f following a nasty divorce, I chose to become a "VolCel". I did not pursue any form of M/F relationship, social or sexual. I had decided that "western"/American women were too risky and simply not worth the time, treasure or emotional investment. Feminist/"me too" social justice attitudes made them (to me) unworkable and not of much use beyond the bedroom. I realized not all women were that way, but too many were to take the risks. On old Vietnam Vet said that were like Viet Cong/pouring your coffee diring the day and cutting your throat at night. Deception and betrayal.

The key, in my opinion, is to develop and interest like back country hiking or racing, find some interest and then interview (cross examine, actually) them to reveal themselves before jumping into a new relationship. If you listen and watch carefully, you will hear and see what you need to.

[kc_4308]

I’m considering dating men in the UK or Canada now

[kc_4308]

I’m not interested in dating American men

[kc_4308]

I also have no experiences with men

[TremorJay]

I still think marriage is cool and a good idea. I don't think MGTOW is the majority. I have spent some time listening to 1 or 2 MGTOW leaders and they make some sense, but there's no chance in hell I would give up the opportunity to be a husband and a father.

[TremorJay]

I know it sucks to be lumped in a group due to your gender and considered part of the problem. Many guys know this feeling too well. We're blamed for male toxicity, for the patriarchy, etc. At the very least we are neglected because we have "privilege", even when we grow up in poverty with a mother addicted to cocaine.

It's this tribal mentality that is the root of a lot of these issues. We shouldn't be lumping people into groups in the first place. It's not us vs. them. We should be working together.

For some reason, people respond more to negativity, and the internet amplifies this. The only advice I have is to have faith and keep searching.

[kc_4308]

I’m considering meeting men overseas at this point/ sadly I have no experiences with men and learned about women through men

[TremorJay]

There's nothing wrong with that. I am considering moving overseas myself.

[kc_4308]

Yea I’m there now

[kc_4308]

I don’t mind living overseas

[TremorJay]

If you don't mind me asking, what country have you moved to and why?

[kc_4308]

I haven’t move to any country yet and I’m considering moving to Canada and or the UK

[kc_4308]

Men are more respectful and value traditional relationships more versus here

[kc_4308]

Since dating is about modern dating it cuts my dating experiences and options out

[TremorJay]

Oh okay, I misunderstood. As far as I know Canada is even more left leaning than the states. Freedom of speech is not protected there, nor is it protected in the UK, but I would be moving for similar reasons as you. Seeking a more traditional approach to dating.

I am thinking Ukraine. Kiev and Odesa are nice cities. They have free speech, and the women are said to be more traditional.

[kc_4308]

I’m not interested in interested in moving to these countries.. I way a traditional guy that’s all

[kc_4308]

Want “ I have friends in Australia

[DarkWinterNights]

There is a lot of factors going on but it basically boils down to three things:
1. Marriage and divorce laws are extremely skewed against men, to the point where it’s actually foolish to get married as a man. In addition, every man who goes through the divorce court grinder is plastered on all of the mgtow sites and are used to discourage other men from getting married.
2. Online dating has destroyed normal dating. Unless you are extremely attractive you are not going to get any interactions on dating sites and traditional minded men and women are buried under tons and tons of crap.
3. Broken people make more broken people.

[kc_4308]

I’m not interested in American men sorry I already made up my mind to go overseas and I’m attractive

[DarkWinterNights]

@kc_4308, Okay- I’m just answering your original question.

[kc_4308]

Thanks

[Jersey2]

I know men in the early 30s and late 20s. Dating just isn’t in their radar. They make good money, have some friends and relax playing online games or board games. They just don’t care about women. One was disappointed with the quality of women, especially when it comes to intellect. They seem quite happy, never a complaint about women and frankly never discuss women, impel, red pill etc… they just live their life without a care.

[kc_4308]

That’s fine women like me will find men in other counties

[kc_4308]

Countries

[IcedLemonade]

Thats good kc. You can't beat games, friends, hobbies, and laughter. Why do you even want a man?🤔

[kc_4308]

Same way you men want sex from women why else? I actually want to get married and it’s not happening with American men

[ToastyOats]

Its the toxic media and confusing culture. I can't find any women who want to be a wife and mother. I guess now I just assume that there are very few that are interested and it is exhausting looking under every rock.
I was propositioned by a lesbian couple at a bar last night who wanted to peg me! It makes it very difficult for the majority, normal straight people in the dating scene when there are constantly weirdos wanting to put something in your butt around every corner!

[kc_4308]

See this is exactly what I’m talking about I don’t have time for the dating scene in America anymore, but even beyond that a lot of American men aren’t gentleman anymore or traditional. I’m asking for a lot from American men that doesn’t exist anymore

[ToastyOats]

Im probably someone you would hit it off with but i want my own family. TBH tIf there are quality men out there they should be saving themselves for women without children so they can have their own family.

[kc_4308]

I don’t mind dating a man who has kids already and medically I can’t conceive anymore. So , I’m ok dating single dads only.

[kc_4308]

You want kids and I can’t offer you that sorry - not because I don’t want too I almost died having my son and medically had to make that choice. I prefer dating a man who has experiences with children.

[Celtero]

Eh, I know I am, as are pretty much all my friends. Just not into fake bullshit... playing games, everything about it is so shit. Most women are boring people and they say they don't wanna be a housewife, they don't want to save their virginity... so what's the fucking point? I have to put on a performance to impress some whore who will be my roomate I have sex with once in a while? No way. And marriage isn't worth it because it enables women to legally steal more than half your savings. Any two dipshits can get married, it doesn't mean anything.

[cloakofdeception]

It is truly unfair to generalize any large group of people.
some women are terrible, so are some men
but I think most people are generally great.


sadly, it does seem like certain movements (that tend to be small in themselves) create some form of collective hatred... and then they are given some podium to spew there nonsense...

[kc_4308]

No generalization just a question

[cloakofdeception]

oh no not you
I mean the groups you were speaking about

[kc_4308]

Oh I know tell me about it

[IAMNathanael]

I've barely even dated at all. Maybe one or two dates as a teenager. I don't like dating not because I have anything against women, it's simply just not interesting to me.

[kc_4308]

I don’t like dating it has changed

[IAMNathanael]

I'm positive that can't be the case all across the country. Apparently for you it's enough of a case which is too bad because I think there plenty of decent American men that are missing out.

[kc_4308]

I’m considering meeting men overseas at this point for long term and marriage..

[kc_4308]

Been single since 2014.. not enough men for marriage or long term relationships

[Kaamraj]

Who said that men in other countries are not speaking like this, the Red Pill, is spreading rapidly in India where young men are challenging the societal ways and looking out for themselves.

Men should stop getting into bad deals which are detrimental to them.

[kc_4308]

This is an American issue big time - as they should stay out of women’s ways like mines

[worldscolide]

Ask your feminist and leftist counterparts that question.. those groups are the direct result of that. I thank god i married a small town conservative girl.

[kc_4308]

Oh no I can’t - yikes 😳! Not left or feminist- no women responded hardly hmmm

[kc_4308]

Love conservative men and women like myself

[worldscolide]

i get what you mean. you must understand because feminists main goal is the destruction of the nuclear family.. And they have succeeded via family court and the destruction of the modern woman and man.

[kc_4308]

I know … I avoid modern men and women all this mess

[worldscolide]

Me to. Hence why i married who i married.

[kc_4308]

This is too much

[kc_4308]

Congrats my time will come

[kc_4308]

I don't know 🤷‍♀️ I don't know

[worldscolide]

I most certainly hope so.

[kc_4308]

All these bitter men whew 😅 .. feminist hate men here

[kc_4308]

They hate me too - all these movements it makes no sense

[kc_4308]

Thanks

[worldscolide]

Feminists, not all mind you, but feminists hate men everywhere. there is a show called Y: the last man and its being heralded as a feminist utopia and masterpiece. Its where literally every single man on earth but one died, and the one that survived is basically a beta.

[worldscolide]

Welcome

[kc_4308]

Wth a showed called what? Omg ! I love men ! Men and women are not equal - women like me are hidden I have no choice I didn’t know anything about MGTOW Red Pill of these pills 💊 this is disturbing

[kc_4308]

I left the dating scene in 2014 to come back to this :/

[worldscolide]

https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/y-the-last-man

[worldscolide]

agreed

[worldscolide]

yeah its pretty much a shit show. I got married to a small town conservative girl in April of 2015 and never looked back

[kc_4308]

Time to hide again … I regret coming out as I keep expressing and sadly decent men ar being blamed who told these MGTOW men they can speak for all men including traditional men

[kc_4308]

I was still hiding in 2014

[kc_4308]

I missed the boat 🚤 .. I sail away on the Titanic

[kc_4308]

Wtf 😳 the link : DISTURBING

[PoliteSpeaker]

The only problem you'll ever have is you
The only solution you'll ever have is you
You gotta stop focusing and getting emotionally involved with the bad of life
The whole process of mental adjustment and atonement can be summed up into one word: Gratitude.
Everything is created twice.

[kc_4308]

I can always find men overseas

[loveslongnails]

Can't really speak to this since I don't date men. However, if you want a guy from another country who is long term marriage minded, I'm certain you can find that with a bit of effort.

[kc_4308]

Thanks

[noohair]

Certain political movements want control and have used "Toxic Masculinity" as a weapon against men. Combine that with the cancel culture and you have what you have now. And there is a group of radical leftist women that have pushed this narrative.

[kc_4308]

Time for me to head to the EXITS ASAP ! What did I walk into?

[backdoorman]

I would say things are increasingly moving in that direction, here in the US and in many other western countries.

[kc_4308]

I should definitely find my husband overseas or in Canada quickly lol -

[backdoorman]

Yeah

[kc_4308]

Yes thanks

[HighValue]

The good, high value men that want to create a family with someone are extremely unlikely to be interested in someone over 30. You may want to look elsewhere.
I think the reason many blame most women is because when many women have screwed over men for generations, the supposed "good women" did absolutely nothing to help those men or get laws changed. Even to this day a grand total of 0 laws have been changed by women to help men's rights, especially when it comes to divorce, alimony, and father's rights.

If you are willing to sign a prenup and make that apparent up front it will increase your chances of finding a better quality man.

[kc_4308]

I’m not interested in American men sorry - my chances are higher dating foreign men who understand traditional values and the system of marriage

[kc_4308]

I being have any more time with American men

[HighValue]

American don't understand traditional values and haven't for a very long time. That is what has caused many American men to finally wake up.
So many women stealing kids from their fathers, stealing so much of what a man has earned when they divorce, and so many women (married with kids) cheating on their spouses.

Find a foreign single father. And good man that doesn't have kids but wants to create a family won't be interested in a woman once she is over 30. She lost her value by then. Biology doesn't care about people's opinions or wishful thiinking.

[kc_4308]

Do you speak for foreign men no you don’t is ramble on somewhere else with these tactics about what other men want and who they choose. They key thing is “ I’m not choosing you American men “ you’re better off dealing with other women who want you over seas or however you men are meeting them

[kc_4308]

Idc how you meet them or where, but pls move on and stop pushing these fears as if no one wants American women / most of us don’t give AF I don’t.

[kc_4308]

Been single 7-9 years content , at peace , and without men’s BS

[HighValue]

Most good men don't want American women. They know most of them are low quality with very bad morals and hypocritical. You do what you want. It is your life.

[kc_4308]

Why do you keep resulting back to what other men want? Idc what you men want or don’t want. I stopped trying with men in 2014 as I saw the dating world decline and I have no experiences with men anyways. Men message me on dating apps , but I’m not interested in American men or men like that in general. I know I have a higher chance of getting married to a man over seas versus here why I don’t waste my time with the modern day American man.

[kc_4308]

Furthermore my life has been great and single free the last 7-8 years now

[kc_4308]

Idc when a woman has been single like I have been being single doesn’t matter anymore

[gag2021]

I do see a lot of the standoffish attitude from women on the dating sites. When I sense that, I'm done. I'm never going to bother a women if she comes across like she's not interested. No chasing. She's not interested, I'll stop communicating immediately. If they don't return a message, that's like saying they are not interested. No chasing. I don't like getting rejected. You can't make someone like you.

[kc_4308]

I only ask because of these silly movements lol-

[moviedude714]

Reminds me that I never liked the Dynamics of dating but sadly they will never change

[kc_4308]

Yep how I feel

[KrakenAttackin]

You do you. Finding a man overseas could be a good experience BUT, in more conservative countries you will NOT have the huge privilege and deference you enjoy in the U. S. If the relationship fails you will not walk with cash and prizes and an assumption of being "wronged". You will not get huge alimony payments or even child support. Women are not incentivised to "divorce well" as they are in the U. S.

Also, American women have a pretty poor reputation overseas. Find any Irish pub (anywhere in the world) and you will find a drunk, loud, obnoxious, American woman.

[kc_4308]

I’m not a white Karen so let’s clear that up for once. Why do you men always result back to women taking money from men and privileges. My family is traditional and thus something that is bestowed in my family’s roots and my uproots

[KrakenAttackin]

@kc_4308. Glad to hear you are not a white Karen. Men worry about money because women say "money is not important to me"... until the divorce, than she grabs all the cash she possibly can.

[kc_4308]

I take marriage serious and commitment / I actually want a counter part that I can grow old with. It’s not happening in America 🇺🇸 not with American men because those men have turned on the ideal of marriage. I have to find men who are serious about this concept.

[kc_4308]

Irish men are charming and so are UK men too

[kc_4308]

I have my own money and career

[KrakenAttackin]

@kc_4308. The UK has many of the same toxic laws the US has. This is a big part of what is driving men from marriage.

[kc_4308]

There’s plenty of men around the globe lol

[kc_4308]

The key finding traditional men 🥂

[KrakenAttackin]

@kc_4308. Best of luck to you.

[TheBigGuy9]

Younger women will have to start dating older men. I got no qualm with that.

[kc_4308]

I agree

[googleplus]

a large portion have left the dating scene cause ITS FAKE

[kc_4308]

Overseas men

[Kvynhanma]

Relationships is to men what casual sex is to women very little to gain everything to lose

[kc_4308]

Yea…

[DCooper]

Well, not quite. Not a lot of 28 year old guys who married 150 garden tools in college, lol !

[Kvynhanma]

@DCooper is gurren Lagann good? I could never get into that show I had a couple more like trigon and black lagoon and seven deadly sins and evangelion I watched black lagoon and fucking hated it it’s made me not wanna give the other ones a chance

[DCooper]

It really depends what kind of a mood you're in. I get a kick out of the irreverent humor of it in the first 10 or so episodes.

[Kvynhanma]

@DCooper I’ll try it because people are saying that Simon dude can beat goku and I’m like gtfo

[Relux47]

Dating is when I would see a girl in person many times and I’ve never actually been on a date like ever. So I can say that yeah I’m done

[DWornock]

There is a little of this and little of that but generally things haven't changed.

[ChiTown33]

Lol this is the public equivalent of the " y'all are gonna miss me when I'm gone". So go. Good news for you there's a whole bunch of Afghani's on there way over here from Afghanistan. Maybe you can find your Beau amongst them.
I'm sorry things haven't panned out for you but your gender is guilty if just as many of the accusations you accuse the men of. I'm not getting into aa passing match. Just saying.

[kc_4308]

There is no you’re going to miss me when I’m gone “ I was never here to be missed as there’s no legitimate experiences with me and men to begin with

[Bklynbadboy12]

Wow! I can't believe what I'm hearing. There are assholes in every country how can you condem a whole country of me for the actions of a few

[kc_4308]

I’m not blaming anyone ! I like the men in other countries they understand marriage and what it takes versus the men here ! When you’re constantly being blamed for feminism and other issues / I’m done with American men now ! Men now have their pills and movements to shyt on women

[kc_4308]

I have no desire to date or deal with American men

[kc_4308]

I clearly said there’s types of guys are speaking for decent American men

[kc_4308]

This is a choice I been made a long time ago !

[Bklynbadboy12]

I'm not knocking you choice but you condemn a whole country of men for that actions of a few seems a little off

[kc_4308]

Where did I say I’m blaming a whole country?

[kc_4308]

I asked the question : are American done ✔️? Look at the comments and pls re-respond women like me have no choice especially with toxic male behavior and it’s sad these guys are speaking on decent American men. I actually spoke up towards the end for decent American men, but like I told my friend you guys aren’t the majority guys who hate women and blame the system are

[kc_4308]

This isn’t a few these men are everywhere talking about feminism and this system

[Bklynbadboy12]

Sorry but you seem bitter and broken there are plenty of woman in America that are happily married

[kc_4308]

I’m not bitter or broken I have ZERO EXPERIENCES with men so how can I be bitter and broken ; tired of meeting these red pill guys and hateful guys on social media who approach me

[kc_4308]

That’s great for those women who are married. I’m just getting in the dating world only to see it’s worser when I left

[Bklynbadboy12]

Wait so you've never even dated any guys and you making a decision on all American men

[kc_4308]

No date , no marriage , no kiss , no long term - after being single as long as I have been women like me are scared of uncertain to deal with American men. It’s disgusting and scary - I’m not sure now I’m concerned for my safety

[kc_4308]

With all these movements , it’s dangerous

[kc_4308]

I’m cautious and tread lightly and not sure if I’ll find what I’m after in this climate

[Bklynbadboy12]

Being cautious is a good thing

[kc_4308]

Yes where I’m at hidden

[ChiPaPa]

Good luck. I wish you the best

[kc_4308]

Thanks

[Thegreendagger]

Your over 30. You selection of men are already slimmed down. You might as well be pink hair lesbo or get a cat.


You said you made your self single by choice 2014. Say everything you need to know

[kc_4308]

I chose to be single because of the way how dating was then and look at it now.. yes , I did wasn’t any suitable men for marriage or long term relationships either (still isn’t )

[Thegreendagger]

Your not traditional tho. Your liberal leaning

[kc_4308]

I’m not liberal and I’m a Republican by the way

[kc_4308]

How can you tell me what my political status is? Some of you are not husband material and I couldn’t dare settle sorry not sorry.

[Thegreendagger]

Your feminist lesbian stop it. You might have right leaning ways but your a woke LGBT woman

[kc_4308]

I’m not a feminist or a lesbian, but this is what’s embedded in you men’s mind about all women

[kc_4308]

Go rant somewhere else

[kc_4308]

Exactly what I’m talking about

[Thegreendagger]

I have a screens hot of you saying your a lesbian

[kc_4308]

You sound delusion and deranged

[Thegreendagger]

"Can lesbians truly be friends with men" you said you were lesbian

[kc_4308]

At some point in time, yes but I’m not because I still have an interest in men lol.. only reason why I dated women is because I have mo experiences with men

[kc_4308]

No “ even as a lesbian still no quality men..

[Thegreendagger]

You say you never been on a date with a guy. This was 2 months ago. Your clearly lying. And you called me the delusional and deranged one.

[kc_4308]

Yes, you are lying still and no I’ve never been on a date with a guy

[Thegreendagger]

So your lesbian.

[kc_4308]

Actually sexuality can change and isn’t consistent, but I’m on the fence about dating men despite there’s a curiosity

[kc_4308]

Nope if I’m curious about men

[kc_4308]

Nope never been on a date with a man, but women yes

[Thegreendagger]

Why didn't your relationship with women work out

[kc_4308]

My longest relationship was 1 year with a woman

[Thegreendagger]

And why didn't that work

[kc_4308]

Same way relationships don’t work out with men cheating etc … I’ve had more success with women than men however

[kc_4308]

I would probably be married quicker with a woman than a man of I choose to go back to women indefinitely

[kc_4308]

If “

[Thegreendagger]

Apparently you didn't tho. If your invest was 1 year. And your 33

[kc_4308]

My last girlfriend of 1 years 5 years didn’t want long term

[kc_4308]

I’ve been on ore dates with women then men

[kc_4308]

I didn’t invest in anymore relationships with women either because I didn’t want too - I’ve had more dates with women then men however

[Thegreendagger]

You ONLY been dates with woman.

[kc_4308]

Apparently I would if I invest in relationship with women indefinitely

[Thegreendagger]

No you clearly are lesbian. You should keep it that way. Maybe date a trans woman to men.

[kc_4308]

Yes no dates with men unfortunately it’s what’s pushed me out the door to women. Lack of quality men who don’t court. I’ve been courted by women numerous of times , but the only reason why there’s an interest with men now is because of a curiosity

[Thegreendagger]

You don't court woman?

[kc_4308]

Nope I’m curious about men.. and I not interested in dating trans.

[kc_4308]

Women have courted me and I have courted them yes , but it seems women are better suitors sadly.. no I’m not lesbian if I’m still interested in men

[Thegreendagger]

I think you should give up your curiosity on men. We are garbage just date women. All men are rapist sexist pig. We aren't traditional.

[kc_4308]

No gonna date men overseas and leave American men alone

[kc_4308]

That’s what’s I’m going to do

[Thegreendagger]

With that attitude I hope not. I don't know why wouldn't they pick their own women over you.

Stick to woman. They are better for you like you said. Better suitors.
You have 1 year 5year relationship with them

[kc_4308]

I’m going to international men for now.. I don’t like American men …plus I’m traditional and still hold those values

[kc_4308]

American men are out my dating options sorry

[Thegreendagger]

How is dating women traditional

[kc_4308]

Most of them respect women , they get married , and they understand us ( as women )

[kc_4308]

My first dating experience came from a woman not a man

[Thegreendagger]

ALL of dating experience comes from a woman.

[kc_4308]

Yep every last one

[Thegreendagger]

Exactly

[kc_4308]

Overseas it is

[Renegade_Sailor]

We're dating, just not American women.

In the words of Bob Barker "The price is wrong bitch!" 🤣

[kc_4308]

Same as women like me

[kc_4308]

Would never date American men

[disgustingweebtrash]

>>I chose to remain single and hidden because of the lack of quality men for marriage and long term relationships.
>Age 33

I am not buying it.

[kc_4308]

Idc what you’re not buying - I have no experiences with men and after seeing what I’m seeing I’m glad. I didn’t miss anything and sure didn’t lose anything either

[kc_4308]

My relationships came from women not men

[disgustingweebtrash]

Objectively you had it easier to secure a "traditional man" than it would be for a man to find a "traditional woman" but that's your problem not mine

[kc_4308]

It’s not my problem Idc where men go now or what the collection of you do. Women like me don’t want this headache sorry not sorry

[kc_4308]

In my 9-10 years I was content and happy only to step out to this and oof 😅 no thanks !

[disgustingweebtrash]

Okay, it's not my problem either

[kc_4308]

What part did you not get IDC

[kc_4308]

Bye ✌️

[disgustingweebtrash]

Considering it's not your problem you seem to care a lot for something that's not your problem

[kc_4308]

I have a solution for you

[sunshineglow]

Kc, don't be a supply for a toxic person, even his username is telling off his personality, save your nerves ❤️

[BogeyMulligan]

He does have a point it’s your personal problem that you can’t find a “Quality Man” it goes the same thing the Mgtow and incels they have their own issues just like yours women are not the problem and in your case men are not the problem, and when you say quality men what do you mean exactly?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Why would you bother trying to reason? They always hold two separate beliefs - that women can blame men for not being able to find a man - but men cannot blame women for not being able to find a woman

They are not even conscious of their conflicting beliefs

[disgustingweebtrash]

Pointing out these hypocrisies is considered "toxic"

[IcedLemonade]

I dont want a traditional parasite of a woman. Get a job

[kc_4308]

I have 2 careees

[kc_4308]

Careers writing and medical so bye ✌️

[kc_4308]

Wtf do you have?

[IcedLemonade]

Two careers? I bet you're an attractive choice for a lot of women especially single moms. Consider being lesbian

[kc_4308]

Nope refuse to deal with American men why I’m still single

[kc_4308]

I date internationally now

[IcedLemonade]

Who gives a fuck? You're a special cookie and I mean that in the worst way

[kc_4308]

So toodles

[DudeDiligence]

Getting there, yea

[Starman5]

Do you want to meet me?

[ChubbyKing]

You sound like the female version of them

[kc_4308]

Whose them? How do I sound like anyone? I’m considering meeting men overseas for quality suitors for marriage and long term and furthermore this is what is happening.

[ChubbyKing]

Yeah femcel vibes

[kc_4308]

Women who have standards and are traditional should find me who value those things and them.

[kc_4308]

You’re wrong I’m not a femcel because I’m asking questions about the issues that all women are going through

[kc_4308]

It knocks out American men out my dating pool however

[ChubbyKing]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[kc_4308]

Whatever helps you too

[Thegreendagger]

She never dated a guy so she has zero opinion