Still wanna FORCE the jab & fire all these health care workers while Congress exempts themselves?
Natural immunity vs mandates?
Still wanna FORCE the jab & fire all these health care workers while Congress exempts themselves?
I'll take my chances with natural immunity.
0-14 years old - 99.9998% chance of survival (chance of death - 0.0002%)
15-44 years old - 99.9931% chance of survival (chance of death - 0.0069%)
45-64 years old - 99.9294% chance of survival (chance of death - 0.0706%)
65-85 years old - 99.6297% chance of survival (chance of death - 0.3703%)
Over 85 - 98.2499% chance of survival (chance of death - 1.7501%)
94% of covid deaths also had an average of 2.9 other contributors to the death.
Mean and median age of covid death - 80 years old. (Older than the average expected age of death from all causes in the U. S.)
The jab:
Is an experimental mRNA immune system modification, NOT a vaccine
Rushed through clinical trials
Skipped safety testing
Has a long list of side effects
People are dying
Doesn't effectively protect against or contain the spread of covid
Hidden ingredients
Manufacturers are immune from liability for deaths and injuries.
Treatments and therapies that have been proven to be extremely safe and effective are banned.
How did you get those numbers? Number of dead divided by the total population in that age range, perhaps? So the chance of an American dying of covid was one in 330 million after the first death, one in 143 million after the second, etc?
They're not even correct by that clearly ridiculous approach.
There are about 65 million children in the US aged 15 or under, of whom 506 have already died, which is 0.0008%, which is 4x your fake number before you even account for the proportion of children who haven't been exposed to the virus. (Incidentally, that total has more than tripled from 140 back in February when the Heritage Foundation stopped updating their page: datavisualizations.heritage.org/.../ .)
Of the 51 million old people between 65 and 84, your age range, 0.5% of their population has died already. And, again, not all of them have been exposed to the virus, and most of them have had the vaccine by now.
US total cases: 44 million, population 330 million, which means the real numbers are about 7 times higher.
Remember when people were saying that really everybody had already had the virus, and it was going to go away any day? Things like: "The number of deaths has declined, as would be expected with any viral outbreak. But we aren't being told that's a good thing. Instead, the number of "cases" is being used to keep the hysteria alive so that people will be willing to get vaccinated if and when a vaccine is developed."
(@lliam July 2020, when the number of US dead was around 130,000)
covid.cdc.gov/.../index.html#demographics
What I find disturbing, at least at the lay person level, is how those who are vehemently pro vax, up to and including forcible jabbing people, don't understand basic statistics, probability, or simple data analysis. For instance, just look at the death rate, well the data that wasn't manipulated by doctors and hospitals as a means to skim the system, the fact of the matter is that COVID isn't deadly assuming you aren't some 900 lb land whale with heart issues, diabetes, etc.
The other aspect I find disturbing is how these same pro vaxx people dismiss people like myself and many many many others who had COVID, who were uncomfortable for 5 days and returned to normal less than a week later. Now I posit this, what if I said I were a rape victim and people dismissed my experience, the same people who dismiss myself and many others who've had COVID are the same people who say, "We must believe all women. Dismissing a rape victim's story is victim blaming."
I think these people are those who have hid in fear for 18 months soaking up every news story full of doom and gloom. I saw a survey result somewhere- which could be total BS, but it said something like 35% of Democrats think that if you catch Covid you have almost a 50% chance of ending up in the hospital. Fear is the most valuable of tools for authoritarians.
@Caunsos And what exactly are these long term effects of COVID you claim? I now know more people just in my neighborhood who have been harmed by the vaccine than those who had full on symptomatic COVID. Myself and another person are of the latter. My neighbor across the street from me got the J&J vaccine, the skin on his shins and feet peeled off, his rotator cuff is now destroyed to the point that he can't lift his arm above his head and if you touch anywhere near his shoulder he will scream out in pain. Then there's 3 other neighbors who are now having heart issues who have had healthy hearts prior to getting jabbed. I don't see people having long term COVID effects, however I see far more people being injured from the vaccine.
Just in this question alone @Iknowbestgirls has a cough from COVID-19 that has yet to go away. And have family that lost the sense smell and to my knowledge has not fully returned. That lost of crazy side effects you list to cause by dead virus matter even live COVID-19 cause those symptoms.
New York don’t allow exemptions. Either you get it or you lose your job. They said so.
@VanillaSalt Yes, it does. "Other states and jurisdictions like Rhode Island, Maine and Washington, D. C., have similar measures, but New York’s is one of the earliest and most stringent. Workers must get vaccinated to remain employed, with exemptions allowed only for medical reasons." www.theguardian.com/.../new-york-state-covid-vaccine-mandate
"A lawsuit over religious exemptions in New York means workers seeking these dispensations can continue working until 12 October."
www.theguardian.com/.../new-york-state-covid-vaccine-mandate
Wrong many of the nurses have been fired of not getting vaccinated for medical reasons.
Exactly @rcljr I have plenty of ammo @VanillaSalt I’m a healthcare worker and many of us quit where are you getting misleading information from?
@VanillaSalt at point in time hospital have good number of patients with covid in them. There fore having poeple that can't be vaccinated against covid working in a hospital would exposing to unnecessary unsafe working environment. Would you have an asthmatic working as a coal miner?
Have them no let them choose yet. It’s their fucking choice.
No it the hospital choice. Any non vaccinated person working in hospital will likely catch covid and spread it possibly to non covid patients. A vaccinated person working in a hospital might have a breakthrough case of covid but the risk of spreading is negligible. So non vaccinated nurse get covid, the spreaded to a non covid patient. Maybe the nusre dies their family sues the hospital for put the nurse in unsafe working conditions. The non covid patient dieds from covid. Their family sues the hospital for having a non vaccinated nurse being assigned to their loved one. Airborne diseases is not about one person's health and safety it about everyone. You not gambling with just your life but your friend's your family's and complete strangers lifes also.
And what do you say to the families of people that died due to the vaccine or the people that have suffered long term serious consequences? Sorry but your kid died so I could be safe? I’m sorry you have permanent nerve damage but at least I’m safe. That’s a shame you were forced to comply with something that made you uncomfortable but at least I feel better.
@VanillaSalt 185 Million people are fully vaccinated and too this date the are no detected long-term side-effects. If you have a source that has verifiable cases of long term side-effects confirmed to be cause by vaccines, please share the link so i can see for my self.
@rcljr Idont what this Gubbymint your talking about is the only think i can find in my research is guppy mate, but i don't get how breeding fish is related to covid death numbers. Also i get my data from Johns Hopkins University of Medicine and they get there data from individual regional agencies that tracking that for their local areas. If you can show an error in that and can prove it, Please share a link to the information.
Please show your receipts.
I don't know if you understand the concept of “long term” side effects.
long-term side effect definition:
A problem that is caused by a disease or treatment of a disease and may continue for months or years.
Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long-term side effects have been detected.
Your claim is "the vaccine has long-term side-effects". the best data out there says that claim is false. I am asking you provide a source that can show evidence that you claim is true. Because why should someone listen to a wild claim with out evidence. So simply prove it.
@kc_4308 I'm happy for the UK where vaccines "probably averted in the region of 24 million cases of COVID in the UK and 112,000 deaths". www.reuters.com/.../
You think covid bad now? Wait until nobody has a job, everyone’s homeless or only able to live under the rule of someone they don’t like, and women don’t have men and men don’t have women all at the same time. It’s going to be hell on earth for many people but I suppose sufferings necessary to grow. How many will die before the growth I wonder.
@kc_4308 " This winter hasn’t hit yet it’s gonna be bad"
Do you mind if I quote you on that next March?
@VanillaSalt "You think covid bad now? Wait until nobody has a job, everyone’s homeless or only able to live under the rule of someone they don’t like, and women don’t have men and men don’t have women all at the same time. It’s going to be hell on earth for many people but I suppose sufferings necessary to grow. How many will die before the growth I wonder."
I guess ditto, but I don't see how any of that is a possible scenario.
You serious right now? What part can’t you see? Men and women are already at war with each other… the government mandates vaccines in a government spending bill giving us the ultimatum either vaccine mandates or close government… ya let’s close government during a pandemic that can’t go wrong. by the way I support closing government until they get their shit together.
20 years ago did you think a president would male laws against the people after the Supreme Court determined said laws were unconstitutional? Did you see a pandemic with LITERALLY a 98% survival rate closing down the country? Sure presidents are usually disliked by the other side but did you EVER think thousands would get together to chant “fuck the president” like they do for Biden?
Imagine where we’ll be in another 20 years… hell Biden full speed psycho…he’ll manage that 20 years in half his term.
@VanillaSalt You're seeing things that aren't there. Most men and women get on just fine. The mandate is not in the spending bill, just a mechanism to allow companies that ignore it to be fined. And, be honest, would they gain a single Republican vote by taking it out again?
What unconstitutional law are you talking about? There's a lot of leeway for public health emergencies, it's called promoting the general Welfare.
Did you ever consider how many people 2% of the population is, or how hospitals would be affected if the whole country was infected over the course of weeks instead of months? I've never seen a pandemic that was this deadly before, being under the age of 120. Nor have you.
I never thought I'd see a political party refuse to allow the winning side to govern, or to block their presidential nominees for no reason, or to attack the Capitol (screaming "hang Mike Pence", don't forget, and he was their man) and refuse to convict the president they admitted caused it.
Don’t play Symantec’s with me. Even if your not mandating the vaccine be taken, if you give government the ability to heavily tax companies that give their employees the right to choose your still forcing the vaccine. No business will hire someone if their going to cost me hundreds of thousands a year.
Most men and women get on just fine… Even if 80% of men and women get on fine 1/5 of our population fighting simply over gender difference is not acceptable. And no most of the population don’t get on just fine as several of my poll questions have proven.
Who cares about who votes for what all I care about is what’s voted for. The only time I care who votes for what is when they force their bullshit on me so I know who to vote out next time.
The current rate of survival of covid is 98%… their pushing a vaccine that don’t even keep you from getting it when there’s studies out of Israel showing natural immunity is 17x more effective then the vaccine which requires booster shots. Besides this Biden hasn’t the authority to put a memorandum on evictions yet he did so twice… once after ignoring the Supreme Court telling him they arnt legal. He’s strong armed many of his bills through in such a way that makes it impossible to block through normal intended means.
Who cares? Hundreds of thousands die how’s that different then normal? With everyone locked up all the lives we woulda lost to accidents and other such a deaths were instead taken by covid, suicides, loneliness, and abuse… but you’ll overlook all that.
Where the fuck were you during trump? Russia this Ukrainian that. God damn hoax after hoax. #metoo don’t you dare tell me if he wasn’t running as a Republican he would have had to suffer that humiliation. Biden’s a god damn child sniffer. If you side didn’t go off the deep end we wouldn’t have to block everything. You indoctrinate our children, give money to foreign nations in need when we’re in need, insist you have more control over my bodies facilities then I
The worst part… you think you have the right and see nothing wrong with what you do. When half the country hates you you still keep pushing acting as though your waging a holy war with your holier than thou attitude. You can’t be reasoned with because your so sure your ways right because how could the devil worshipping conservatives ever know better…
Waste of my time talking to you.
@VanillaSalt Here's the thing, you keep making unwarranted assertions. Biden is not "hated" by "half the country", just the people you hang out with. His approval rating has dropped to within a percentage point of the highest approval rate that Trump ever had, but that's largely because he hasn't managed to pass his agenda which is hugely popular. 62% of the country as a whole want it passed, even 30% of Republicans want it.
@VanillaSalt I missed your earlier comment, just a sec...
@VanillaSalt The mandate doesn't require vaccination, you can choose to be tested once a week instead. People on here are in no way representative of people generally.
Republicans in the Senate have made it clear that not one of them is going to break ranks with their party and allow the bill to pass. That makes them irrelevant to the negotiations.
Interesting about the unconstitutional eviction moratorium. Did you complain about it when it was first implemented in 2020? Biden extended that one twice, until the SCOTUS ruling, on August 26th and never again.
Don't forget that to get "natural immunity" you have to get the virus. It turns out the best protection is to have recovered, then had a shot of a vaccine, it's not unreasonable to expect getting vaccinated and then catching the virus would have a similar effect, just with 1/10th the chance of getting seriously sick or dying.
"He’s strong armed many of his bills through in such a way that makes it impossible to block through normal intended means."
They're currently trying to pass their popular agenda despite extreme obstruction from Republicans representing a minority of voters, in the same way Republicans passed their tax cuts in 2017.
"Hundreds of thousands die how’s that different then normal?"
Numbers, man! Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died during the pandemic MORE than normal years. That's what you want to overlook while claiming that I'm not paying attention?
"Where the fuck were you during trump?"
Paying attention. They were not hoaxes. Do you really think the Ukraine phone call didn't sound almost exactly like the Raffenberger call? Didn't Trump's campaign manager give internal polling and strategy documents to a Russian agent? Didn't even McConnell state that Trump was responsible for the attack on the Capitol? (After he'd voted to acquit, of course.)
Oh I didn’t complain I just used it as a specific example. Democrats are the ones that until now refused to break rank to. Who can be tested once a week? That’s time off from work and life at best… it’s also millions in taxes if state sponsored hundreds a week if not. Also he tried to extend it AFTER he was told no. Natural immunity isn’t accepted.
I need a full paragraph for this part… your sides strong arming policies that deal with fundamentals like rights, abortion, religion, freedom, and war… these fundamentals were never meant to be controlled by one party with a simple majority. Furthermore… imaging a Republican coming out and forcing abortion illegal without following the 3 branches of government. The 3 branches exist for a reason if you can’t pass a bill everyone is on board with then you have no business passing the bill. Simple as that. It’s not supposed to be easy and it shouldn’t always be possible. Joe Biden a tyrant.
Where did all the flu deaths go? Did you notice with the lockdowns there’s been fewer car accident deaths? Did you notice a huge increase in children suicide And abuse since the lockdown started. Your sides too focused on the possibilities and never notice the consequences.
McConnell don’t speak for everyone. The FBI determined AFTER a investigation Trump was NOT responsible for Jan 6th. Furthermore your president and your party constantly cheered in BLM while they rioted and burned down cities… you don’t get to claim the 6th as any different. And since you brought up the 6th there were many that were let on by police and nothing was damaged… you’d think if the “gun-loving white suprematists” woulda shown up with always one gun of our was a real insurrection.
@VanillaSalt You seem to have some fundamental misunderstandings of the way your government works. The idea of a simple majority passing legislation of all kinds was exactly what was in the constitution. Things that required two thirds votes were explicitly listed. en.wikipedia.org/.../Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate
If Republicans managed to pass a law banning abortion, they would be voted out at the next election and the damage undone (which is why they've never really tried it). The law would also be found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court (unless it had been packed by them for precisely that reason). It also could not pass without the blessing of both houses of Congress and the President, which are the other two branches of government.
"Joe Biden a tyrant."
Ridiculous.
"Where did all the flu deaths go?"
It couldn't have anything to do with people wearing masks, sterilising surfaces and washing their hands for the last 18 months, could it?
Fewer miles travelled, fewer car accidents. Yes, there has been an increase in child suicide *attempts*, but not actual suicides. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm
What's the reasonable alternative? Let another couple of hundred thousand people die? Don't you think losing loved ones might contribute to the suicide rate a bit?
"The FBI determined AFTER a investigation Trump was NOT responsible for Jan 6th."
No, they didn't. "Scant evidence" is not none, and it wasn't an official report.
As to the BLM protests, which were supported by Democrats (and 17 million+ attendees), they didn't "cheer" the rioting and not one city was burned down.
I'll leave "nothing was damaged" for the laugh track, and there were multiple guns present on the 6th.
It's impressive how your mind changes something (evidence of conspiracy, guns, shit smeared on wallpaper, theft) to nothing and damaged buildings into destroyed cities.
And the president is 2/3? Furthermore if you can’t get 66% of the country to agree for changing fundamental laws the. Maybe you shouldn’t be changing the law.
“The public business must, in some way or other, go forward. If a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, respecting the best mode of conducting it, the majority, in order that something may be done, must conform to the views of the minority; and thus the sense of the smaller number will overrule that of the greater, and give a tone to the national proceedings. Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good.” Alexander Hamilton in the federalist papers… from the link your yourself provided.
@VanillaSalt What? That quote was about the dangers of allowing a minority to dictate what is permitted, exactly what the filibuster does, and what is happening today.
I don't get the part about the president being 2/3rds; congress needs a 2/3rds vote to override a presidential veto or convict an impeached president.
Cudos for following the link, at least.
Dude specifically part of the quote “…the majority; in order that something may be done, MUST CONFORM TO THE VIEWS OF THE MINORITY”
@VanillaSalt "Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good"
He's listing all the problems that happen in that situation.
Better that 1000 guilty men go free then 1 innocent one goes to jail.
@VanillaSalt It's not the same thing as a minority of the country stopping the rest of the country from getting the constitutional laws they elected a government to pass.
Constitutional laws should not be forced without 2/3 majority. That minority is literally 47% of the god damn country… that’s 2/5 of your family members who’s beliefs are trampled… we’re not talking 20-30% you jackass.
@VanillaSalt I'm talking about simple laws, not constitutional amendments. 62% of the public agree with the Build Back Better act, including a sizeable minority of Republicans, but Republican senators (and two Democrats) have decided not to represent the majority of their constituents. What "belief" of yours is being trampled by, say, power grid modernization, or updating K-12 schools? What specific feature? What about the beliefs of the majority of people (up to 80%, in some cases) who support those features? How popular do you think the 2017 tax cuts were?
This is all about it being OK when your side does it and unacceptable when the other side does it; the difference being that the Democrats are trying to pass something popular that will help the economy and people in general.
CRT teaching in school? What about the new anal sex books in schools? Border security? Massive spending for programs and other countries which is shared by both parties except is a democrat that’s in office during covid. When trump spent I didn’t like it and called him out for spending after saying he’s not going to. How’s about gun rights? Do you think families in the woods in places like Colorado, Wyoming, Texas, etc should be held to similar gun laws as New York, California, D. C? What about people that don’t want vaccine mandates or to keep companies from pushing similar enforcement? What about closing religious institutions? Many people use religion to deal with tough times which this qualifies as… so many more issues Democrats push that conservatives like abortion, equality laws, etc… I wanna go home so I’m not thinking of any others but you get the point.
@VanillaSalt Is a single one of your examples a part of the bills being blocked by the Republican senators today? No? So, the only thing there is that you don't think the government should spend money, but the Republicans spent loads without raising taxes when they were in control and now Democrats won the election, so why isn't it up to them to spend money raised through new taxes?
You don't stop the winners of an election from passing laws on one thing because you don't like something completely unrelated they said. Not unless you know that passing that law will be incredibly popular and make you even less electable.
Trump raised the National deny by as average of 1.9 trillion per year and I was furious… Biden going to double that his first year. Hell I remember when we fumed over hitting 3 trillion in the national debt… comparing spending during a boon compared to a pandemic also isn’t the same so it looks worse for Democrats.
Secessions the way to go. Lock this fucking government out and take over on the state level the way it’s supposed to be.
@VanillaSalt You know the $3.5 trillion number is to be spent over ten years and paid for by funding the IRS, and raising taxes on corporations and people earning over $400,000 a year, right?
I also know their talking about watching bank accounts with at least $600 in them…
@VanillaSalt I'm not going to bother watching the whole thing, if there's something specific later on, let me know. However, "some people from AntiFa/Australia agree with me" is not a convincing argument, and Australia's government is not America's.
Australia has had fewer covid deaths (and only a quarter more cases) in their entire country throughout the pandemic than the US had yesterday, and that was with months of practically no restrictions. They're at 67% vaccination, right now, and at some point they're going to have to let the virus rip, but I'd say their approach has been bloody successful, wouldn't you?
Here in Texas after the tax cuts of trumps admin we saw a higher treasury. We also had a huge boost to our economy until covid. Also don’t forget the rate of unemployment’s during a majority of trumps admin.
@VanillaSalt Somebody get me some binoculars, I can't see the goal posts any more!
Maybe you shoulda have taken that extra turn at blocked bills.
@VanillaSalt The ones being blocked by Republicans where your only moral objection was that they wanted to spend money and collect tax that's owed?
Ya in themselves shouldn’t exist. There’s nothing the government does better then the private sector besides spend money. For 1/4 the cost the private sector would get more work done off a higher quality in a faster time.
The government taxes you 5 ways for every dollar…
It pays to read the whole article.
"The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. "
Yes... birth control pills have never failed... except when they do, but we pretend that doesn't happen so that we don't have to wear condoms.
@devilman666 morning after pill baby yeeeaaaah xD
Actually let's say the birth control was only 25% effective and wearing a condom brought up your pregnancy protection to 75%+ 😊
@Juxtapose how is that morally better than getting an abortion?
Contraceptive pill is 91% effective. Which means if you have sex with 10 women who are on the pill, statistically speaking, one of them will get pregnant.
Uhh that's irrelevant.
@Smashingdoozy I know you were talking hypothetical, I just wanted to point out the actual statiatics of it as well.
Well I agree that it's irrelevant, the question is, how does he feel about abortions? And why does he view them as being worse than the morning after pill? Both are technically just intentional miscarriage, so I see no real difference between the two.
The morning after pill is not an abortion pill...
It does pay to read. The end point they made in saying that was
"The new work could inform discussion of whether previously infected people need to receive both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or the similar mRNA vaccine from Moderna. "
Said it could spark discussion. Their concern is people will read this study then go have "an infection party" as they put it, to develop the immunity rather than getting the vaccine.
That's the whole point. Addressing that concern and potentially talking about if people with immunity "need" to take it. Because apparently it's shown to help, but since I didn't read their testing measures I'm not convinced just yet that is true. Or at least the benefit is exaggerated.
They admitted immunity was radically better than vaccine, then went on to say but both is better... how much? 5% better? 30% better? If immunity covers you 95% will that 5% make a difference?
That's why they said this informs discussion rather than give a clear answer
Yes that’s true because I had the Pfizer vaccine and recently my roommates tested positive for COVID. I haven’t gotten sick. I think it’s mainly to deflect attention from certain things and to scare people. 😂
@Smashingdoozy mb, I thought morning after pills removed the fertilized egg before it attached to the uterine lining rather than stopping the body from releasing an egg. I guess this means that I can't tell him that he secretly supports abortion 😞
Yeah unfortunately that's a huge misconception a lot of people believe...
You can basically achieve the same results by taking a whole pack of birth control... Though not recommended obviously.
@devilman666 I love abortion. Fetuses are not human & deserve no rights.
The vaccine mandates need to stop 🛑! Without health care workers whose gonna tend to the sick or ill? Won’t be me anyone else. For the amount of doctors and nurses quitting that should ring a bell! We know more than what is being reported , but you can’t tell the vaccinated or left that.
Peaceful divorce…
You claim to have 11 year of health care experience yet failed to understand the benefits of the great medical discovery and best tool in fighting infectious disease and is taught about in basic high schools biology class and is approved by every reliable medical organization. Doctors and nurses where the first in line to get that vaccines and were happy and relieved to receive them. I would account any Doctors and nurses leave the medical field is because of the emotional weight of have to see all the needless death because a cheese puff with a comb over decided to politicize a fucking pandemic.
Their are still country wishing that had access to a vaccine.
It wouldn't surprise me if your ignorance forced out of Healthcare.
@Caunsos "Dianna Rathbun, 57, RN - Pediatric Homecare Nurse, Anti-masker & anti-vaxxer. Dead from COVID."
www.sorryantivaxxer.com/.../dianna-rathburn-57-rn-pediatric-homecare-nurse-anti-masker-anti-vaxxer-dead-from-covid
@Caunsos we all didn’t take the vaccine that’s where the media lied or spread misleading information. The pill that was done was done for medical clinic not a poll of US doctors and healthcare workers globally. This is how brainwashed you sheep are and lost 😆 .. furthermore we are quitting. The medial field is already short staffed as it is.
The vaxers don't need the hope of a vaccine to evade the death of they're soul , they just need GOD. Demon\crats are demonic and don't have the spirit of the Lord. They are the the majority that floods the gate of heavens junkyard in 2\3 majority numbers. Follow them , and you will go straight to hell with them.
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I don’t think the force jab crowd even knows the full context from all perspectives and what the future holds if we continue down this path because all they do is repeat what they hear on tv and incessantly insult us with derogatory adjectives.
This right here is a page from the Saul Alinsky playbook. Take a mild problem and with help of the media and scientists, you make it out to be worse than the boogeyman. Control people through Fear. Also, Divide & Conquer. They use this to push forward with their OWN agenda that screws ALL of us. But many of you don’t get it until it’s too late.
Look at Venezuela. They originally voted Maduro in. People were all happy he was firing people by calling them on the phone. Now, look at it. How many people are doing well? About.05% of the population?
How many times do we have to repeat history before people figure it out? Don’t people remember right after the election how Democrats were BLOCKING people from getting the Vaccine, but now all of a sudden they’re on board.
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
i think the mandates are complete and utter bullshit. i mean polio... one of the most gruesome diseases and probably one with the most effective vaccines around that do in fact quite litterally prevent this disease from existing as we speak... still not mandated.
a flu type disease that is not even noticed by most who get it with a vaccine that is borderline useless even if you don't consider the fact that this virus is very fast evolving with animal reservoires that makes it realistically impossible for us to just get rid of it... and we're thinking about mandated vaccines? for that? wtf is wrong with people?
i think it's not fair to call them sheep honestly. the level of corruption is so damn obvious, it's scary. i understand people who don't want to accept the reality that we are being controlled by such an obviously lying government. especially considering the fact that this is not a "national" occurence but that this is quite litterally the biggest scale case of global corruption that the world has ever seen.
and the even more scary shit is: we do have a massive excess mortality last year. and i know that this mortality was not caused by corona. it was caused by the shit that natinal governments did to their people around the globe. this was litterally a global holocaust so to speak... and we're still told "it's about sticking together to fight this disease" bull fucking shit...
It's all about the freedom of personal choice and accepting the consequences , if any, of those choices. that's what democracy is all about. Only tyrants and oppressors force such things on their people. I am completely against forcebly getting a vaccine regardless of the science behind it proving that your odds are improved. Here's my experience, I traveled by trainer through 3 states on the Pacific northwest while everything was on fire and everything was cover in smoke in the midts of the pandemic. Not once did I ever get sick. 2 weeks after I got my vaccine. I got infected with the virus. Now I can't get over this cough even when I'm no longer infected with the virus. If anything the vaccine made things worse.
If you didn't have vaccine you would instead died and so you wouldn't have that cough. Covid-19 has been know for a year to have a risk of causing long-term damage and symptoms that last long after the infection has ended. And your personal freedoms stop when them effect the freedoms and safety of others. You clearly don't know best. I am sorry you have this cough now. But thinkabout how much more damage the virus could have done if you body was encountering it for the first time with out the practice of the vaccine.
Having the vaccine weakened my immunity not strengthened it. I bet my life I would never have gotten the corona virus if I didn't get the vaccine. I have a pretty strong immune system. I did what everyone says stay safe around others and get vaccinated. What did that cause me to get the virus. I Was unsafe traveling on an enclosed train for 24 hours. While the whole Pacific west coast was burning. Not once did I get sick. What that tells me is that the vaccine is just bullshit!
I know pleanty of people my age that got the Corona virus before they got vaccinated. Most of them way more susceptible than I am. And guess what non of them were hospitalized. The whole thing is blown completely out of proportion!
Between the ages of 18 to 29 3,573 have died. So that 3,573 Anecdotal cases for my claim vs your plenty of anecdotal cases. Also what fuck dose California's fire have do with anything. My aunt was watch the news because she need to know if need to evacuate from the fires because she lived that close to them. Guess she didn't get sick because smoke doesn't cuase covid-19. It cause her asthma to act up a bit. You get covid-19 by being exposed to it and if noone you were exposed to on the train had covid than you wouldn't have gotten covid-19. I am tried of explaining how the immune system and vaccines works. So ask your doctor to explain it to and how much wrost you would been with out the vaccine. Once agian sorry about your cough hope it does go away soon.
@iknowbestgirls
I agree with everything you said here. Well said.
@Iknowbestgirls OMFG YOU ARE AN IDIOT. YOU JUST FUCKING SAID OVER 3.5 MILLION PEOPLE DIE A YEAR TO THE FLU. AND JUST USED THE US COVID-19 DEATH NUMER TO GET 3.5 MILLION THATS ALMOST THE YEAR NUMBER OF BIRTHS IN AMERICA. AND LOOK EVEN MORE FUCK STUPID WHEN LOOK WORLD WIDE NUMBERS. SO FAR WORLD WIDE 4.55 MILLION HAVE DIED. TIME THAT BY 5 AND GET 22.75 MILLION DEAD TO THE FLU EVERY YEAR. I only know better because listen to people that dedicated the lives to studying this stuff to much greater detail than i would even care too. So stop acting like you have magicly better understanding of the immune system and virology because you had a bad cases of covid-19
I didn't have a bad case of covid 19 it only lasted 2 days for me and after that the only thing that I had left was a cough. The flu is what was worse. Which lasted weeks. And ok I'll admit I got a little carried away with that flu number but you said 3000 deaths in the us from covid this year. Well 8000 die a year from the flu. Yet they don't quarantine or farce vaccination on that do they? Nope. Your not a doctor or a scientist so whatever you say is as irrelevant as whatever you think I'm saying.
My question is what is your chance at surviving the infection thats the largest question all these anti jabbers need to ask themselves. >.> Even if you have a 99% chance to survive are you mentally prepared to have to overcome the side effects that Covid has on the physical body.
The question isn't if others will survive its WILL YOU. @Juxtapose
I realy don't get the mandates. If you want to get the jab get the jab, if you don't want to get the jab don't. If you have the jab why are you worried about the unvaccinated your protected.
This does make me question why government is so damned insistent on everyone getting jabbed. Almost like they wanna make sure everyone got it before the realy bad symptoms show up. You might this thats a crazy thought but you should do some research on the people who funded mrna research, and ask why the companies that make the vaccine aswell as the government officials trying to mandate it are exempt from those mandates
The article is titled: "Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—***but vaccination remains vital***"
"... people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated."
"... deliberate infection among unvaccinated people would put them at significant risk of severe disease and death, or the lingering, significant symptoms of what has been dubbed Long Covid. The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,”"
I don't get why people are going along with this unforgivable madness.
Humanity deserves everything that is coming its way. A bunch of sleepy self satisfied people, who claim themselves to be moral and righteous, so unconscious of the evil they wrought, so long as its not being wielded against them. A tyranny of the many, as is all tyrannies.
This is why politics and science never get along with each other.
It's not about the virus. It's about taking control over you. And having the government take more and more
While is true that having COVID gives you more protection then the vaccine I have two issues with this.
1. More people will die by that method. The vaccine will save more lives than if we just let everyone get it.
2. The side effects of the virus can be very serious even if you survive. People are left with life long heart and lung problems.
On another note, this was already attempted. Yes Sweden tried this when the pandemic began. They refused any form of confinement and the idea was to get heard immunity by letting the virus run free. People would eventually develop defenses. Fast forward to today and they have 63% of their population vaccinated. It didn't work at all. Many died and it was out of control.
In this case we have an example of a country that tried it from the start and didn't worked.
From @captain_voidwalker
"ask why the companies that make the vaccine aswell as the government officials trying to mandate it are exempt from those mandates"
But the government members are taking the vaccine.
If the companies are mandated to take it or not don't know, but if ai search I will find that no one from those companies took it?
Woe be unto the unlucky motherfucker that tries to stick a needle in my arm without my consent, and consent is NOT given.
Your natural immunity. So do you get that after Covid? Are you hoping that it won't make you sick and you'll be naturally immune to it. Your quoting of isreal statistics seems off. I've never heard of anything like that from there they may reach herd immunity at some point as they are doing good with their vaccine rate. Well I've been wondering you could be right in say a year from now and something is wrong about the vaccine. Many of the ainti faders will be dead and unable to say I told you so
Should of been anti vaxers spell check got me. So am I to understand that I've had gene therapy as a result of getting the vaccine?
No thanks I'm a nobody and am not worth the money that they would have to spend to spike my dose. Let us know in a year how your no vaccine worked out for you. Its part of my research
I'm tired of people sanctioning nazi behavior in this nation.
I always thought that both the US and Israel are up to something with this fucking vaccines.
Get ready for civil war! Illuminat1 want all of us dead with these jabs.
@Juxtapose In my opinion, I don't like vaccine mandates because policymakers won't know if a person has medical conditions that prevent them from receiving COVID vaccines.
You need to learn to read.
There is no such thing as "natural immunity," and even the article says the study is limited. Plus there is no guarantee you would survive the first exposure and what long term effects it had on you.
Plus the study concentrated on only one variant of Covid - not the others.
It's as daft as saying "I have the worlds best beer!" but only ever serving your own dubious beer to begin with.
Yet you are the one transmitting the disease to those who would die, so don't be a cock-sucker.
I have a better idea. Those who don't take the vaccine stay home unemployed, while the rest of the world, those with social conscience, are in the streets.
@es20490446e
Those of us who won’t get the vaccine will stay home unemployed…. until the bank who finances our home loans evicts us then we’re out in public…. permanently.
Get the vaxxine!!! It works so you have to take it to protect me!!
TAKE THE FUCKING VACCINE!11ONE!111
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