Why can't we have a conversation about natural immunity?

[Anonymous]

There's so much talk about the vaccine and forcing people to get it. So much blaming unvaccinated people. Why no talk about antibody testing for those that have had the virus and recovered? Fauci has been asked about it, but won't provide an answer. Why?

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You know, it's amazing how the mere suggestion that we have a conversation about something like this gets people calling names and slinging insults. Seriously, I never said we should throw out the vaccine. Just that we might benefit from exploring that some might not need it.

[NamerOfStars]

Money and power, mostly. The initial fear was that Covid had a lethality rate of almost 5%. It's less than a hundredth of that, but constant fearmongering has kept people constantly on edge for a year and a half. Using PCR testing (which was never intended as a diagnostic tool) with cycles ramped up to FORTY in some cases (Kary Mullins, who invented the damn thing, insisted that it WASN'T a diagnostic tool, and that anything over thirty cycles was meaningless, since "you could find that anyone has anything"*) sent the message that the disease was extremely contagious and EVERYONE had to hide until it went away.

High contagion and extremely low lethality? Those kinds of diseases DON'T go away. And when they spread to other species, it's completely hopeless. (Of course, the original narrative was that it spread to us FROM another species, which would've made the whole thing meaningless anyway, but no one was prepared to listen when I pointed that out last March).

Sterilizing immunity, like your immune system provides, not only keeps you from catching it again (we're at less than 500 confirmed breakthrough cases for natural immunity, and that's WITH the inflated PCR cycle counts giving boatloads of false positives) and you get a far milder version, at that (of those less than 500, there have been THREE fatalities).

The bigger reason, though, is that many people don't WANT us to. The decision to count every death within 28 days of a positive Covid test as a Covid death is something not done for any disease before, and has convinced millions of people that (for example) over 600,000 Americans have died of Covid. If you have pinkeye and die of a heart attack, you didn't die of pinkeye. If you have a cold and die in a car accident, you didn't die of a cold. If you have TB and get shot in the head, you didn't die of TB. But all those causes of death have been recorded as "Covid deaths". The hoi polloi have WAY too much invested in their panic to admit that they were wrong- to say we locked down, crippled our economy, killed millions of people (now and later), and set government precedents that anyone short of Stalin would call "excessive" over a disease less dangerous than chicken pox is more than they can bear. So they keep it up, making it all the more impossible for them to admit it later on, as the costs keep rising.

*Interestingly, Mullins was furious at the use of PCR testing to diagnose AIDS (or GRID, as it was known back then), and push patients onto the AZT that wound up killing them. Guess who was in charge of the decision to do that, and against whom Mullins held a bitter grudge for the rest of his life. Yep. Anthony Fauci.

[Lliam]

How dare you try to be logical. Everybody knows that the idea of natural immunity is a conspiracy theory. LOL

In all seriousness, 99.85% of those who catch covid recover naturally, which means that their immune system worked exactly as it should. At that point, they have natural immunity and the jab would be counterproductive.

And the average morality rate of 0.15% can be drastically reduced with treatments of vitamins, Ivermectin, HCQ+zinc and other things.

I can only laugh at those who think everyone who doesn't submit to the experimental gene therapy jab is going to die. In fact, people who get the jab have a high likelihood of death or severe injury. But oh well. You can lead a moron to information but you can't make them think.

[AHary]

You're so wrong. You are a killer.

[AHary]

If Trump says re recommends the Vaccine, that's good enough for me. Furthermore all
Scientific studies have shown a 98% efficacy without remarkable side effects.
Its' common sense to be vax'd. AND, antibody research and testing IS being by our leader, Biden.

The vax is nearly if not the most effective vaccine ever created.

If you want to drink some bleach, hydrogen peroxide or Ivermectin you can because I refused the vax simple for silly politics; I would be desperately looking for something too.

[Anonymous]

You can't make money off of someone having natural immunity you have to make them take your jab every few months. There is even study saying natural immunity is like a 100 times better. I can't wait until it comes out the vaccine caused covid to get antibody enhancement

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Because it's a new virus

[Lliam]

@ItsMeItsMe1989. You need a new brain. LOL

[AHary]

Are you vaxed? Should we continue to let our neighbors kill our children at school!

[Opinion Owner]

The vaccinated are the ones getting sick for the most part it really is just the flu but America is very very fat and unhealthy

[Lliam]

@AHary. "Kill our children at school"? That's one of the most moronic things I've ever heard. Do you know nothing?

[Anonymous]

I had a guy tell me how he’s got this amazing immunity from Covid.
Know why his is so good? Because he caught it twice. That’s right. He caught it twice, so he’s doubly immune.
We all have to just ignore the fact that his immunity didn’t prevent him from getting it a second time, but now he’s super immune.
Facking Brilliant

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Exactly

Getting it more than once, just proves, you're too stupid to not get the vaccine. My cousin got it twice, and still won't get it. FUCKING STUPID

[Asker]

@ItsMeItsMe1989 there are people that have gotten the vaccine that have gotten it after being vaccinated. What's your point?

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

You haven't done your research hun

Or you're looking at stuff that confirms your bias

[Asker]

@ItsMeItsMe1989 so you're saying there are no people that got the virus after being vaccinated? Walk away with that nonsense.

[Uannoyme]

Then they'd have to find another way to divide us and keep people fighting with one another.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Because it's a new virus

[casserolie]

i know so many vaccinated people who got covid. the vax is a joke

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

You haven't done your research hun

[casserolie]

@ItsMeItsMe1989 i dont need to, im witnessing it and I've had covid all ready, its not terrible 😐

[Anonymous]

Because it doesn't fit their political agenda. That's all this is about, not our welfare, not one bit.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

It's a new virus

[AdmiralSirJohn]

Because it doesn't fit the political narrative. Nothing more than that.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Because it's a new virus

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

THe worst lie I've seen about the vaccine, is that it turns you magnetic. I'm fully vaccinated, healthy, whatever. But, in no way, can i now control metal, nor do i have metal flying at me

I can show you, if you dont believe me

Why? Why do people come up with INSANE things like this, just to avoid helping themselves?

[Asker]

What's insane about your body developing antibodies to a virus it has already fought off? Prove it wrong. Where's the data that this is different than the immune response to every other virus.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Because it's a new virus

[Asker]

So, your answer is no you can't prove it wrong.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

You haven't done your research

you literally just said "it works"

I told you, ITS A NEW VIRUS

IT won't WORK

[Asker]

What won't work. The vaccine?

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Herd immunity

STOP TRYING TO FIT YOUR NARRATIVE

IT"S NOT GOING TO WORK WITH ME

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

You republicucks and trumptards are fucking idiots

[Asker]

Because you say so? Listen, I know people that have gotten the vaccine and been down sick worse and for longer than I was when I had the virus. I had a stuffy nose and was sleepy for 2 days. I'm good.

[FakeName123]

Because you can't profit from natural immunity.

[AHary]

Because you're anonymous. Your opinion here is negated.

Also there is not one single anti-vaxer anywhere that will agree to be tested!! Don't waste our time.

[Asker]

So you have no legitimate answer. Why did you waste my time?

[AHary]

I gave you a great answer. I meant to scold you for suggesting a false argument. If people like you refuse to be tested, or have blood draws there can be no study on natural immunity. Or the effectiveness of other naturally born treatments. Idiot.

[Asker]

Clearly I wouldn't refuse to be tested if I'm suggesting this should be a thing. Please don't presume to tell me what I would or would not do.

[Asker]

It's adorable how some people resort to name calling when they find they can't impose their will on others. Like a spoiled child.

[AHary]

I asked a great question or two for discission. You can't read past your biases.
I also suggest the CDC has thoroughly studied the available evidence, why not follow their recommended advice? Many, many studies of the CDC's conclusions have shown statistically that wearing masks, and getting vax'd with a 98% effective rate with almost no side effects, IS stopping the spread.

[Asker]

What great questions have you asked here? I haven't found any.

[Snakeyes7]

They don’t want to release us from the boot.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Because it's a new virus

[Snakeyes7]

@ItsMeItsMe1989 The only reason we would not be talking about our immune system is if this new virus creates an auto-immune deficiency like HIV. Otherwise a vaccine of weakened viruses of any kind that a body has never seen before would still put the body in great risk.

[Anonymous]

tough shit. they should still get vaccinated.

[Asker]

So, there's an Israeli study of 700,000 people that concluded that people with natural immunity are 27 times less likely to get symptomatic covid than those that are vaccinated, but you think they should get the vaccine anyway? For what purpose? Because uncle Joe said so? That's just irresponsible. There's no need to risk the side effects.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Exactly

[AHary]

27x less likely... is a lie.
Natural immunity has been studied, and Having the antibodies does not ensue immunity. Numbers are only going up. Heard or immunity is not reached until the numbers go down and stay down.

[Asker]

@AHary and what are your credentials?

[AHary]

What are yours?🙉🙉

[Asker]

@AHary i am not telling people what will and will not work. I am not trying to tell people what they should or should not do. I am merely asking a question about why we can't talk about something. You are acting like the authority on the matter, so what are your credentials?

[AHary]

Yes, you kind of are telling people that they should not get vax'd. I would have this discussion: How do you propose people get the antibobys? And how the can get natural immunity without getting infected by the virus?

[AHary]

Any one un vax'd without a mask in public Is literally putting the people around them lives at risk. And should be shunned in public by woke.

[Asker]

@AHary I have NEVER told anyone not to get cards. I'll thank you to show me where I did. I am talking about the people that have had and recovered from the virus. That's all I'm talking about.

[Asker]

Vaxed, not cards... where did that come from...

[Asker]

Why no talk about antibody testing for those that have had the virus and recovered?

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