It's also the numbers from 2020...
Hey! What even is reading comprehension! LmaoMy bad... but to that point 2021 is also outpacing 2020 (something I was looking up when I responded and may have led to my confusion)
Apparently, "rape, robbery, and other property crimes fell". In fact, the rate for violent crime only went back up to 2016 levels.crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/.../crime-trend
Maybe I need to dig some more because this is what I got.A midyear report by the Major Cities Chiefs Association, a coalition of the nation's largest police agencies, found that homicides continued to rise.The group reported that homicides in 2021 were running ahead of last year by a count of 4,033 to 3,341 at the same time in 2020. The agencies reported corresponding increases in rape and aggravated assault.
I will look more carefully.
You're right, of course. It's a worrying trend.crimeandjusticenews.asu.edu/murder-increase-aberration-or-dangerous-trend
And to make matters worse, now we have kids back in school and now we have school shootings again. We have more people armed, slightly unhinged from either being isolated or from the political environment, and people gathering again. This is only going to get worse im afraid
Of course you're right, but two of the three votes so far blame the guy who wasn't in office at the time. It's reflex.
Well, maybe, but last year's numbers were much better than 30 years ago, and this year is looking like it's better than last year.
In times of political of social strife their will always be a uptick in the homicide rate. The jump in the rate is coming from several sources. I don't think we can really point to one source or another. Because things tend to spiderweb together. So trying to see where one starts or finishes can pretty much impossible. The same can be said what is having more having more impact then something else. Because becomes a large spider web that is weaving all over the place.
@Ez-Bri-Z has pointed out that things are not getting better, as I'd thought. Political strife certainly does raise tensions. These things can get turned around, though, with patience and care.
One of the biggest issues we have and one that politics is deeply connected to is lack of a middle ground or a desire to find one. Politics very much deals with two different extremes. It can also strip people of the ability to see the middle ground they are already standing on. It can very much take it to the point where when people do not see the middle ground under their feet entropy has already claimed it. So the middle ground is useless. There isn't a political fix to the issue and their isn't a side of the isle that is to blame. Because we have been fighting over and trying to prop up a system for many generations after entropy set in. Politics is one thread in a massive spider web. I'll fully admit my view is negative and I dislike both sides of the political isle. The reason is because in my life time I did catch a glimpse of the America that both sides of the political isle have been trying to sell me since I was a child. The time I seen that America was for a few months after 9/11. Before that it was housing market bubble popping and the crash that came with it. It seems like the only time many people are willing to put differences aside and the America we claim to be is during or after a crisis.
This crisis certainly hasn't brought people together, and the middle ground, if you look at the polling, is firmly in the Democrats' court. Why should they move away from positions that a majoity of the country want?
The majority isn't always right and that very much cuts both ways. Because a majority might could be wrong for different reasons and the opposition can also be wrong for different reasons as well. This another reason why middle ground is important. Middle ground and civil conversations are two things needed to avoid creating a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Such situations can do a lot of damage to both sides and create new problems as well. Finding a middle ground and civil conversation are not two things that we see a lot in politics or society in general. Both might make some progress towards fixing an issue only for that progress to be undone and new issues arise at some point. There have been times when the progress is undone and the new issues present themselves as soon as any meaningful progress is made. It might be a time before take some time, but it always seems to happen. It does not matter what side made the progress or was in charge when it was undone. Because it's a cycle that we are locked into.
The minority isn't always right, either. Especially when they think there should be one rule for them and another for the opposition. I'm all in favour of civil discussion and middle ground, but you need both sides to have good faith.Good faith is lacking in a party for which everything the opposition wants to achieve, even things that the US has done in the past (like higher taxes on the rich, raising the minimum wage) is declared to be "Socialism!". Was the US socialist, in the 1950s and 1960s, when top tax rates were near 100%? Or when the minimum wage was worth the equivalent of $12? Heck, one party still claims Trump didn't lose the election, and that he shouldn't have been impeached, either time.How do you have a civil conversation with people who will cheerfully lie to your face, or pretend a mob attack on the Capitol is no big deal?upload.wikimedia.org/.../...est_Income_Earners.jpgupload.wikimedia.org/.../...inflation-adjusted.gif
Both sides of the political isle are very guilty of the above. In the end it does not matter if you are if you are team red or blue because its like any relationship. If the relationship is breaking down both sides are to blame. When both sides of a given debate are right fighting and doing their best to be the loudest, finding a middle ground and civil conversation isn't going to happen. Because all communication breaks down and becomes nothing but a massive wall of static.
Come on, there are twice as many votes blaming Biden for something that happened before he came into office as blaming Trump. It's not really something a president has control over, but at least Trump was president at the time. There's no middle ground between truth and lies.
Not everything is a political issue. If anything turning everything into a political issue is one of the main reasons so many issues go unsolved. Take politics out of it and start looking at the big picture. We are all human before we are anything else. Homicide is the act of a human killing another human. It does not matter if you are blaming Trump or Biden for homicide in general. Because a human killing another human is a human issue.
Well, true, but elections are certainly political. Is there a middle ground between Biden and Trump, both of whom are sure they won?
You do realize that if the right or left where capable of solving issues such as homicide we wouldn't be having this conversation right? Because it isn't a new issue and its not the first time it been brought up by one side or the other. If anything like many issues brought up in politics it's another spoke in a wheel that has been spinning for many generations. Yet people keep from both sides keep acting as if their side can fix it. Despite the fact that anyone with minimal pattern recognition skills can see that their is a long established pattern that has proven that neither side or both working together can fix it. Because its a massive and complex issue that is much bigger then politics. It's a human issue. So it is a massive issue and extremely complex.
The example of homicide was simply the tool I was using to prove the point that some people will blame someone who was totally powerless to affect policy for something, just because they're on the "wrong" side.Is there a middle ground between Biden and Trump, both of whom are sure they won?Or people who think that Texas can catch all the rapists before their victims get pregnant, and people who think that's ridiculous?(The governor of Texas has declared that they will "catch all the rapists", which is why there's no exception for rape in the law he passed to effectively ban abortions in the state.)
Looking at politics I see people on both sides that are divided, distracted and fighting against one another. Entropy has been running its course of a look time and both sides are too busy fighting each other to see it. Since the only time people seem to honestly put their differences aside is after a massive tragedy I'm very tempted to cheer entropy on. Give me a moment I'm get my pompoms!Let's get to the point where the worst is never the worst because the worst is always one upping itself. Lets get to the point where we have a nationwide curfew because every street is noting but a riot. Then I'll be hoping the riots combine to form a nationwide riot. Hell I'll be laughing at the people that didn't see anything coming and especially those that are arguing over it over it being the replicant or democrats fault.
Well, that sounds like you're hoping the whole system does down in flames, while pretending to be "moderate" by accepting both the truth and the lies.For the third and last time: Is there a middle ground between Biden and Trump, both of whom are sure they won?
Both sides of the political isle are just as guilty of using group think and the illusionary truth effect to push their agendas. Both sides really don't care about anyone that isn't able to buy influence and make major political contributions that they can stash away in their offshore tax havens. Hell both sides are using using and befitting a "legalized" form of corruption called political pac's. The big issue is that it does not matter what side of the political isle you support, if you are not able to buy influence you are getting screwed by the same people and system. The entire reason I want to see the system burn is because the only time many people are able or come together and work together is after a major tragedy. So maybe when everything breaks down many people will be able to put their political allegiances aside and fix the issue. Because both sides of the political isle are just as guilty. Two wings on the same bird.
No, they are not both the same, in the same way that it's not the same that Trump and Biden both say they won the election. One side is lying, and there's no middle ground between truth and lies. Pretending otherwise is also a lie.Yes, both sides use PACs, but only one side is even trying to get H. R. 1 passed."This bill addresses voter access, election integrity and security, campaign finance, and ethics for the three branches of government.Specifically, the bill expands *voter registration* (e. g., automatic and same-day registration) and *voting access* (e. g., vote-by-mail and early voting). It also limits removing voters from voter rolls.The bill requires states to establish *independent* redistricting commissions to carry out congressional redistricting....Further, the bill addresses *campaign finance*, including by expanding the prohibition on campaign spending by foreign nationals, requiring additional disclosure of campaign-related fundraising and spending, requiring additional disclaimers regarding certain political advertising, and establishing an alternative campaign funding system for certain federal offices.The bill addresses *ethics* in all three branches of government, including by requiring a code of conduct for Supreme Court Justices, prohibiting Members of the House from serving on the board of a for-profit entity, and establishing additional conflict-of-interest and ethics provisions for federal employees and the White House.The bill requires the President, the Vice President, and certain candidates for those offices to disclose 10 years of tax returns."
Just because we are told something is true many times, does not mean it is true. But due to how the illusionary truth effect we might believe it is true. Even if what we are told is a out right lie, we might believe it. Many of the scientific studies and papers about the effect use America politics and Nazi propaganda as examples of the of the effect on large groups of people. For many years I have cut politics and the main stream media out of my life because of this. Each time I have gone back a listened or watch one or another I have found what might as well be a skipping record on both sides. The same information being endlessly reported from various sources with no empirical evidence to prove it. So I have been quick to step away. Trump might have won or Biden might have. There really isn't any empirical evidence being presented that has been verified by a independent source from one side or the other. All we have is various sources offering the same "truth" over and over again. So both sides cause me to quickly move away and think about think about the illionary truth effect. I'm also left questioning everything. Due to being left with more question then answers. So I refuse to pick a side in that debate. Middle ground is a lot times something that needs to be created. Both political parties tend to only deal with extremes and it can insure that no middle ground will be created or used.
It is not extreme to accept the results of an election, as certified by every state in the union. It is extreme not to. This is why your "both sides" framing is bull."Trump might have won or Biden might have. There really isn't any empirical evidence being presented that has been verified by a independent source from one side or the other."No. That is quite simply a lie. There is plenty of "empirical evidence" that Biden won, specifically the ballots, and they have been verified by judges and officials from both parties, the same as every other election ever held.What do you expect the Democrats to do, exactly, to create middle ground? Should they lie and say they cheated in the election, but only half as much as Trump claims? It's obvious to the meanest intelligence that Trump would simply then say they cheated even more, because facts simply do not matter to Republicans in 2021.There can be no middle ground between truth and lies, and right now you're standing firmly on the side of the liars.
I'm not standing on anyone's side and that very much includes independents. Because it does not matter what side I'm on or how I vote. All votes and political alliances are simply spokes in the same wheel. A wheel that all votes and political alliances ensure that it keeps spinning. The entire wheel is the system that I referred to previously. A wheel that all votes and political Because of this I never registered to vote and refuse to do so. I also refuse to do so because its my civic duty or my duty to society. Because with the freedom to vote comes the freedom to not do so. If our government where to require people to vote, voting is no longer a freedom. It would instantly become a requirement. Also turning it into a requirement would be a massive act of hypocrisy. Because it would show that all of our freedoms can be taken away. So it would open a pandora's box
Yes, well, nobody serious in the US is even talking about forcing everybody to vote, and in Australia, where it is compulsory, there's no requirement that you don't spoil your ballot and the fine is about $20 for not voting.That's beside the point. Is there, or is there not, a middle ground between the truth and a lie? Is the Earth flat, or is it roughly spherical? What would be the "middle ground" between those two assertions?
There wouldn't be a middle ground. Since both political parties are so dead set on opposing each other. One side would say its flat and the other would say it's roughly spherical. It would be yet another fight and tool to push an agenda. If you are aligned with the said it's flat you would be expected to believe its flat and fight with other side about it. The the same would be true of the other side as well. Because both sides are expected to engage in right fighting for their side. So if you don't agree with one side you are labeled a heretic by the side you disagree with. The same also goes for the other side. If you don't agree with both you get labeled worse then a heretic and make enemies of both sides. Oh about the middle ground between lie and truth. The side saying its true and other side saying its a lie have not presented some empirical that was verified by independent sources. So both sides are still spouting empty words. The louder they get and the more they present empty words as proof the less myself and others listen. So at this point they might as well be screaming in the wind.
Well, thank you for finally admitting that sometimes there is no middle ground, particularly when it comes to the difference between a lie and the truth. Then you go and spoil it by pretending that there's no such thing as an objective falsehood, just points of view, which is not the case."The side saying its true and other side saying its a lie have not presented some empirical that was verified by independent sources."Except one side has evidence, and the other has stories that are not supported by any evidence and have been rejected by independent sources. There is empirical proof that Trump lost and that the Earth is not flat, tons of it. If you are saying there isn't, then you are clearly misinformed, at best, supporting liars, or simply lying yourself.
So think about this for a moment side a spends x amount in a state election to ensure a election in that state goes their way. To ensure a official on their side gets into office. The other side does the same does the same to keep a official on their side stays in office. To me their is no middle ground in that situation. Because both sides are using money to influence the election in said state. Many people would say the side that they support is doing nothing wrong. Despite both sides using money to influence the states election. Situations like that are the reason I say the system is broken and say that voting and party elegance make people spokes in the wheel. Yet on both sides of the political isle are quick to support their side and condemn the other for doing the same exact thing.Now when it comes to trump not winning or winning. To me it does not matter. Because the president no matter who or what party the represent does not matter. Because they are simply spokes in the same wheel. If the to big to fail banks where to trash our economy the federal reserve and our government would bail them again. Biden or Trump would be the ones simply be the ones delivering the bad news. Despite the issue running much deeper then the oval office the president would catch the vast majority of flack for it. Chances are the working class and working poor would the once again end up footing the bill again. Because when those who are well off enough to buy influence screw everything up those two are always the ones left holding the bag.
Completely wrong.Firstly, the officials don't choose who wins, they count the votes, and many systems are in place to ensure a fair count, whichever party the official is from.Secondly, while money makes a huge difference in the US, nobody gets to just buy a position. Also, consider which party supported the Citizens United decision, and which one wants to reverse it, which one is trying to pass legislation to ensure ethics in government, and which isn't.Thirdly, you don't have to spend money in a state that overwhelmingly supports your party.Fourthly, the presidential election was decided in large part by people from Trump's party certifying the undeniable counts of the ballots, as, I expect Trump's 2016 win involved Democratic officials.Basically, both sides don't, and especially now there is no middle ground on the election since only one side is lying about it.
We are not going to get anywhere with each other. So all we are doing is spinning out wheels in the mud and I hare spinning my wheels. Because it makes me want to pack up my things and go back to being a drifter. The fact that I have personal commitments holding me in place is already driving me up the wall enough. Going in circles with anyone is only going to drive me further up the wall. So I'm going to simply say it was good to attempt to have a political conversation with you. I'm just going to go back to giving both sides of the political isle the finger and leave it at that.
1. I don't know how the media increased murder.2. "National murder rate rises nearly 30%, with figure increasing across all regions and from small towns to cities"3. This, I think probably has a lot to do with it (but having them there saved hundreds of thousands of lives)
Sorry, link: www.theguardian.com/.../us-murder-rate-increase-2020
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But did they get easier to obtain in 2020?
In Texas, yeah. Background checks and CCLs aren’t required anymore.
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