Do you think the vaccine mandate is alleviating or exacerbating the labor shortage in the US?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

A common anti-vaxx talking point is that people are quitting their jobs or refusing to go back to work because they don't want to risk suffering from the long term health effectiveness of the vaccine. However, there are always 2 sides to every story and what I don't see people talking about is how many individuals are now willing to go back to work because they have to worry less about contracting the virus. There has been a lot of rhetoric about how we could have preserved the economy by isolating the vulnerable. Well, first of all this is BS because the virus is still more than capable of incapacitating healthy adults (i. e. making them incapable of working) but despite this fascistic "us versus them" mentality anti-vaxxers exhibit, the vulnerable aren't a negligible fraction of the population and keeping them isolated will have an adverse impact on the economy. And as for "lasting side affects" it's currently estimated that 1 in 4 people who are infected with coronavirus will have long term health impacts and hot having to worry about that will make people less apprehensive about going back to work.

Vaccine mandates don't "violate bodily autonomy", they protect bodily autonomy by preventing individuals from violating said autonomy by spreading deadly pathogens to them.

Alleviating

Exacerbating

[MJtheCoach]

I didn’t read all of it. As soon as you label people I knew you have zero self thought.


You know I’m from Iran in 1978 people protested against the king in millions the king left and died. Iran became a Islamic Shira state.
Our my parents left Iran during when I was a baby.


I look back and I say why did people took a free country and demanded a Shira state that stones and kills and rap#s people.
There was no clear answer.. then I said okay back then information was hidden books were burnt.


We fast forward 2021, the deep s###e is at it again.
And again I see the same F###ing thing.
With limitless information in ppl’s finger tips the people who have the most to say have no self thought. Which is called dunning-Kruger.


What happens if you read books and research life? Everyday everyday everyday about everything? Will your arms fall off?


Anti vaxxer is what you took from the fake mainstream media and repeated on here.
don’t you get bothered that you don’t have your own thoughts?
All the debates I’ve attended to, all the professors hi debaters non-philosophers have never use labels.
But regular Joe blow like you use labels what does labels do labels causes segregations.
BLM
MGTOW
Feminism
LGBQ
Black
White
Fat
Skinny
Vegan
Meat eater


I suggest learning how to debate and think for yourself first.


Don’t learn nothing from history?
We’re doomed to repeat it.
This time is not Iran going down.
Is America.
And this time there is no place to run.


And in 100 years when they ask “hey! In 2021 people took something in their arms that needed to get rid of them to lower the world population.” people in the future will say why? Didn’t they have communication technology/ face time? / internet? Social media’s blah blah..


They’ll say yah but people don’t use them to think,
They use those tools to jump up and down and do stupid fake shit in Tiktok and believe the mainstream media.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Vaccine mandates protect the individual liberty to work without having to risk dying of a deadly pathogen. telling people to stay inside or die because they have preexisting conditions is some totalitarian grade shit right there and is really on par with the Nazi us versus them mentality.

[MJtheCoach]

I see you’ve left your brain in the trash can. How crazy it is to live in a free world and still refuse to think for yourself. You’d be the same guy who would say yaaah smoking
Is the healthiest you can do in 1930’s. Like a fkin mindless sheep!

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Right, I don't just think for myself, I think of others before I make asinine statements like vaccine mandates are a violation of individual freedoms.

[MJtheCoach]

Right! You’re not a moron at least.

[Manchild2018]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No you are not thinking of others you are being an asshole. To think the government hsas the right to inject anyone with anything they want is a complete loss of freedom. There is no deadly pathogen just fucking lies because if there was a deadly pathogen all of us who do not fear it would be gone by now. I fell for this BS in the beginning but woke up to truth. When you use actual critical thinking you can see that this all a big lie for control. Bottom line you fucking liberals wanna inject us so bad go ahead and try and see how the people like us with no fear handle the people who are scared of the fucking air like a little bitch.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Manchild2018 The majority of Americas support the vaccine mandate; this isn't about the government telling the people what to do. It's about the people telling the government don't let a bunch of self centered morons undo the progress made in the fight against this deadly pathogen that forced millions to stay inside on pain of death.

[MJtheCoach]

Yah that’s it! America is the only place with the most woke people in the world. I live in South Asia. The lack of common sense here makes you put a bullet in your brain. Middle East is almost the same. Most parts of the world the extremely stupidity of people is insane when we have all the information in our pockets. If America falls the world is fked!

[Manchild2018]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Turn off the fucking TV because none of that is true. Half the country does not want the vaccine. So our half is against the mandates and some who got the vaccine are also very vocal about being against the mandate. The news is lying about how many people actually got the shot to try and push others into getting it. You clearly will bend over for the government no matter what they want to do to you and that is very sad.

[Manchild2018]

There is no deadly pathogen there are deaths from ventilators that's it.

[BeautifulMind59]

I totally agree with you on everything. Except, I did try to read and get info. The problem is that there is so much garbage that it is drowning out the good and useful stuff. Or the good and correct info is being hidden. So please give me some good references.
I am an immigrant too. I have also traveled the world a lot. I have not seen a country as amazing as the US in every way, specially human rights. Unlike what mainstream media makes it look like, I care more about America than people who are born here and just take it for granted. I left lots of material luxuries behind and emotional ties and loved ones and my youth and health and social status, just to gain freedom. I know how costly it can be. I know how irreplaceable it is. I know that people have lost their lives to build this country. I would like to protect that legacy. Because I know if it fails, there will be no where to run. Because I know to rebuild that freedom would require us to face death or worse. Please allow me not to explain "worse". Those who have seen it, know what I mean. In the same context there are many more political issues to be discussed. But if anyone is in doubt as to which side they should take, please take a look at less fortunate countries as well as history, focusing on places and times when people simply did not have the power and FREEDOM to bring about the peace or changes they need.

[Manchild2018]

@BeautifulMind59 Listen America is a huge scam. There is no freedom. It is freedumb people think they are free but really we are slaves to the elite. When there is freedom you don't suffocate your people with masks, kill the economy on purpose and try to force inject every citizen. You don't let people die on the streets because they can't afford healthcare. America is better than a third world country but at the end of the day they think of all of us as cattle. White, black, hispanic you name it. We are the goyim to these people and they even poison the food in the grocery store to depopulate us.

[MJtheCoach]

people can get United and grow their own foods! And have the rights to protect those choices! But what do people use the choices for to eat like pigs sit all day take lots of medication be slow and fat overweight decomposed themselves low vibration and etc.. you can move people to a free country but you can’t freedom minds.

[BeautifulMind59]

@Manchild2018 I agree with your poisoning the food comment. It's some kind of neurotoxin.

[Dragonpurple]

I'd say your not unbiased, but that is okay everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I got my first shot in April and my second in May.

Yet I know people who have suffered serious side effects and missed a lot of work from taking the shots, and then they cannot even sue due to blanket immunity that TRUMP put in and that is the one thing Biden hasn't undone that Trump did.

I also know people that want to get the vaccine, but here in Rural America the hospital system was decimated by the ACA. Gave a lot of people insurance but did nothing to bring in more doctors, entire hospitals have shut down and are now empty buildings.

Many people in small towns have to drive more than a 100 miles to the nearest place to get the vaccine. That means missing a whole day of work to get a 'free' shot with no reimbursement for time or fuel.

To think liberals wine about people having to drive a few miles to vote, geez.

Those people want to get the shot but unless someone gives them a ride or does mobile vans or something, but since we are so scattered... a mobile van could drive all day and maybe only get a dozen people.

I also know people (quite a few actually) that are waiting for the legal immunity to run out in 2024 and then they plan on running out and getting the shots, soon as it is gone. Biden could get them to go get the shots right now if he would remove that legal immunity.

Its just making the labor shortage worse.

[MrOracle]

Of course it's exacerbating the problem. You can't quickly or easily replace an airline pilot, nurse, truck driver, mechanic, or whatever with 20 years of experience with new people and get anything close to what you had before, and we are losing these people by the thousands in every industry. The most dangerous cities with the worst crime were already badly understaffed, and now they are losing many more. Who will suffer? The wealthy in their gated communities with private security?

Shortages of everything are coming that will make last year look like nothing, and inflation is going to eat people alive. Biden wants to borrow his way out of the problem, knowing that he'll be gone before most people figure out what he's done.

When your freezer breaks and you can't get it fixed, and no replacements are available, or your car breaks, or your flight is canceled, or when no police come to help you, and the hospitals have closed their ERs, you will start to understand the impact of these insane policies.

The pandemic by itself is a huge problem, but the left's vaccine mandates are making it far worse at every level.

[DarkWinterNights]

Is there any evidence that unemployment is being alleviated at all? We haven’t even hit the vaccination deadline for federal workplaces. The greatest irony of the places that are firing unvaccinated workers is the workers they’re firing likely already had Covid likely due to working through the lockdowns while everyone else was sitting around at home. Now they’re burned out and pissed off. I’m vaccinated but will be looking for a new job soon. No way I’m going to comply with 3-6 month mandatory boosters. It’s taken me 3 months to get over the long covid-like side effects from the first shot.


This has nothing to do with Covid anymore. It’s a power grab by the feds and big pharma becoming the richest and most powerful corporations on the planet.

[Levin]

I mean, come on motherfucker. I don't wish to be too dismissive or tempt fate, but for the most part, most of us are still around.

There's a bunch of old, unhealthy, smoking, obese fucks at work, and they're all still here. Some of them a good 20 stone (280 lbs).

Sure, it's a deadly virus. But stop bloody exaggerating. Unfortunately intrinsic and being wrapped up with being alive, involves an element of risk.

My parents have gone along with the narrative, and they've aged a good 10 years. Total shells of themselves. But let's keep the division and fear going, eh.

[Manchild2018]

People are scared of covid and don't wanna work I am sure of that but what we are trying to say is these jobs who are mandating the vaccine are creating the job crisis. Right now hospitals are bringing in the national guard to replace workers which is scary to me. I have also heard people from the Phillipines have been brought in. Not that there is anything wrong with that but I just see the healthcare system crumbling at some point and I am 100% sure that this was all by design. New World Order agendas playing out.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Is firing thousands of people increasing or decreasing the number of people working?

If you chop 3 of your toes off, do you have more or less toes than you did before?

Do we really have to explain counting to these people AGAIN? 🤦🏼‍♂️

[Manchild2018]

@Lost_in_the_Woods Exactly. They are so brainwashed by the TV and other mainstream BS that they lost the albility to use critical thinking.

[Avicenna]

You're just ranting in a typically disjointed fashion. Has anyone actually polled people on this very topic? A well-designed, well-executed poll would be more illustrative than assumptions.

It seems to me for someone to make the vaccine the defining criterion for returning to work is specious since even the vaccinated can get COVID. People generally work because they have to.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No vaccine is 100% effective but if a virus is contagious enough that 70% of the population has to be immune for Herd immunity to take affect, and a vaccine is 80% effective and 90% of the population has the vaccine, you will still prevent transmission even though someone can still get the pathogen even after getting vaccinated.

[Wester1967]

There is no labor shortage. There is a shortage of rich capitalist companies willing to pay a living wage with human benefits. Bitch and moan all you want. Blame everyone but yourself. The only one losing is you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/

[bolverk]

Watching what is going on what is going on from the outside of the US and not having to cope with the BS of US media, the vaccine mandate exacerbating the labour shortage in the US and at this point in time the Biden Administration is its own worst enemy.

[bamesjond0069]

"Vaccine mandates don't "violate bodily autonomy", they protect bodily autonomy by preventing individuals from violating said autonomy by spreading deadly pathogens to them."

If the vaccines work, then the unvaxxed have little to no chance to spread it to the vaxxed. If the vaxxes dont work, why bother even getting them? Which is it? Do you liberals even read what you write?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, we do and we can comprehend a simple concept: vaccines don't "do or do not work" they reduce the probability of contracting a disease. Say 70% of the population needs to be immune to a disease for herd immunity and someone is 80% less likely to contract a disease if everyone is vaccinated. If 90% of the population is vaccinated, effectively 72% of the population is immune and the virus can't spread altogether.

Second, viruses mutate into new variants and if more people get vaccinated, the virus has fewer opportunities to mutate into new variants that the vaccine is less effective against.

[bamesjond0069]

But nobody is entitled to be 100% safe. Not with anything. If the vaccine makes you 80% safe from a virus that has a 98% survivable rate... you're just being a big baby at this point and you're not intellectually honest unless you also are for making cars illegal, cigarettes, junk food, etc

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Nobody is entitled to be 100% safe but you're not entitled to behave recklessly at the expense of public safety. There's an inherit risk of dying when you drive but we don't just say fuck it, people can do whatever they want; you have to get a license to drive. And you're being intellectually dishonest if you're going to compare it to cigarettes and junk food because health affects caused by them aren't contagious but if you abuse alcohol in a way that jeopardizes public safety (i. e. drink and drive) your ass is grass. Similarly you can refuse to get the vaccine if you want to say home but you don't get to jeopardize public safety in doing so by working for a large company.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Now be a big boy and get your shot, and if you think that you're "freedom" to jeopardize public safety is something to take up arms for you'll get one to the head from a 7.62mm "needle".

[bamesjond0069]

This is the exact opposite. If you want to face zero risks you need to stay home. So im assuming you will start by killing yourself first if you missed a flu shot all these years since you would be a mass murderer? Flu kills thousands and thousands of people every year.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

If we want to reduce risks at workplace (OSHA has a litany of workplace regulations that I guess you think are worthless because 'you can never have 100% safety') you keep unvaccinated people out of it. Flu kills thousands every year but had there been no measures to curtail the spread of COVID it would have killed millions in the US.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

But hey, if we're at taking down measures that are aimed at protecting workplace safety, why don't we just let factory owners have little kids crawl into machines again and get their hands cut off when they need to get something un-jammed.

I mean after all, you can never have 100% safety.

[bamesjond0069]

Now thats just pure nonsense. Covid even among unvaccinated individuals has similar survival rates to the flu.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

1/1000 people who contract the flu have died from it.
-739,000 people have died from coronavirus (a figure not inflated by falsely attributing deaths to COVID)

If it had a similar survival rate to the flu, that would mean 740 million Americans would have had it when there are 325 million people in the US.

[bamesjond0069]

So if its 2x as deadly as the flu but the vaccine is 80% protection... that makes a vaccinated person safer from covid than the flu. So why is it reasonable to enforce other people to get vaccinated yet you werent having a shit fit about the flu all these years?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That calculation showed that if coronavirus is as deadly as the flu, the total number of people who would have to have contracted it is greater than the population of the US. So far there have been ~45 million coronavirus cases in the US and.75 million deaths. No flu outbreak in history (even the Spanish Flu pandemic) killed that many Americans. The flu usually kills 50,000 people a year, 15 times less than COVID and had it not been for lockdown measures and mask mandates, the death toll for COVID would be in the millions in the US.

[bamesjond0069]

If you calculate 30 x 10 you get 300 and add 5 its 305. Now times by 1,000,000 to get 305,000,000! How can you argue with that? Your math is completely nonsensical. Nobody does math regarding viruses that way and its completely misleading forget that your number is ridiculous but even still.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

What are you talking about?

I said that if COVID had a similar mortality rate as the flu (.1%) it would have had to have infected 740 million Americans because it killed 740 thousand.

I also said that this is way more than have died of the flu because the flu kills 50000 a year.

[KostasKouvalis]

Partially. The media keeps saying that we are "lazy" and don't wanna go back to work, but they don't talk about all these ridiculous "qualifications" that companies demand, which eliminate 90% of potential applicants.

[TheBigGuy9]

Anti vaxxers aren’t pushing the us vs them mentally. That perspective doesn’t even make sense when you break it down.


Remember the Obama birthday party? They said Covid was at low risk because these people are a Sophisticated crowd.

[jshm2]

Neither.

Antivaxxers are the problem. These dipshits are neither helping themselves, or others.

[MJtheCoach]

Why don’t you move to North Korea? You won’t see any anti vaxxers. and you’ll be comfortably living in anti thinkers which you should feel perfectly at home.

You can move to a free world, but you can’t free their minds.

[Kingofkings1992]

@jshm2 bullshit. The difference between you and I is I can think for myself, you brainwashed cretin.

[jshm2]

@Kingofkings1992 Of course you can't think, and are full of bull. Which is why you're laughed at as conspiracy freaks and have exactly zero supporters in the professional and legal ranks. Your 10 minutes of Google searching doesn't mean you can "think". You are a king of clowns only. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't let you know better.

[Kingofkings1992]

@jshm2 oh no. I’m not respected by the pieces of shit who are responsible for the outbreak and selling the cure? How will I ever live with myself?

[AviatorTom]

It's causing people to either quit or be fired, so of course the mandate is reducing the pool of workers.

[t-8900]

Someone just get back to stocking beef, pork, poultry, and dairy. Idc anymore, just have my damn shelves stocked.

[okeydoke]

It’s safer for everyone if one gets the vaccine. GaG is full of Covid conspiracy theorists who aren’t representative of the greater population.

[RaceMaster]

How is it safer for everyone if COVID vax only protects the person who got it?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@RaceMaster Herd immunity.

[RaceMaster]

Herd immunity applies when vaccinated people become a stopping point for the virus and can’t spread it anymore. COVID can still be spread through vaccinated people. Which means herd immunity won’t work.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@RaceMaster Because it can doesn't mean that Herd immunity doesn't work because a people are still less likely to get the disease if vaccinated. It's estimated that COVID-19 is contagious enough that 70% of the population would have to be immune to get herd immunity. So if the vaccine was say 80% effective and 90% of the population is vaccinated, you effectively have 72% of the people immune which is enough to attain herd immunity.

[RaceMaster]

Sure, but still don’t think it should be forced.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@RaceMaster It isn't, if you don't want to get vaccinated you can stay at home.

[Redstang88]

People are leaving and being forced out in mass, can’t see any way that will help the situation 🤷‍♂️

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Because you also have people going back to work because they're not afraid of getting the disease.

[Redstang88]

Really? I have yet to meet someone off work voluntarily because of this. Lots let go because of lockdown bullshit, but none that wanted to

[BillyBalls]

People are being fired for not being vaccinated.

The sad thing is medical workers and police and fire fighters are being fired.

What the fuck is wrong with the world?

Ya don't fire essential workers without a backup plan.

[exitseven]

People are quitting their jobs and soon will be fired for not getting vaccinated. It does not take a genius to know that things will get worse.

[888theGreat]

people are quitting left and right , not to mention many won't be hired that would work

[OddBeMe]

It’s nominal at best. Meaning most people not working has decided not to.

[Flower7]

It’s making it harder for people to go to work.

[ChiPaPa]

You literally have people leaving their jobs.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

And you have had people leave their jobs because they were afraid of the pathogen since the pandemic started.

[ChiPaPa]

true

[alleon]

Exasperating.

[alleon]

In Canada anyways