Do you believe that Democrats, Leftists, and Liberals, with their ideology, will be instrumental in the end of the USA as we know it?

[Physics-Man]

Yes

No

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Funny how you gagglefuck of retards, who disagree with the premise of the question, just attack me with lackluster insults instead of attempting to refute anything presented in the video because you well know that you can't! NONE of you refuted ANY of its content!

Any of you simpletons who decide to partake in this disingenuous behavior of zero-substance personal assaults will have their comment deleted.

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Hahaha! SO many cretinous, spiteful keyboard warriors! Keep slinging logically-bankrupt, superficial, zero-substance slander at me to relinquish yourself of your frustration and incompetence! Keep calling the video "propaganda" without deconstructing and refuting it piece by piece! Keep at it! The most you'll get from me is an eye-roll; the least is your comment being deleted!

[zeitgeist057]

Interesting phrasing in the question, but I have to answer "no", honestly. I do think the USA will change, because change is inevitable. There appears to be a connotation of blame and assumption in your question and attached video that the change ("end of the USA as we know it") will be negative.

I think it's difficult to predict the future, but that there is no clear indication that either the left or the right has power to effect any significant change. Whatever happens will probably be influenced by many factors.

As for the comparison with Venezuela, I am not terribly familiar with the subtle dynamics, but watching the video posted, it appears to be making a lot of loose correlative statements without detailing any specific facts, which makes it rather suspect. I think anyone watching this pundit with a discerning eye will be quick to see many of the logical fallacies such as red herring and half-truth claims involved in pushing his narrative.

A quick search gave me this article regarding the "hate law", which appears to be more of a tool to prevent criticism of the government than to prevent hate crimes against minorities:

This Wikipedia entry on Venezuela addresses some of the economic failures of Venezuela, citing the issue to be predominantly a matter of the oil industry failing, not connected to socialism or social policies. This is also mirrored in this article , which cites corruption and failed oil industry, and specifically addresses the stereotypical nature of this question and the attached video: (from the article)

" Right-wing pundits claim incessantly that socialist policies are to blame for the terrible conditions that Venezuelans are now living through.

But this story is fundamentally false.

"It's a cheap rhetorical tactic," says James Galbraith, professor of economics at the University of Texas–Austin.

"No serious person makes this argument," says Richard D. Wolff, professor emeritus in economics at the University of Massachusetts–Amherst. ."

Noam Chomsky, historian, cognitive scientist, linguist, and philosopher, who has an avid dislike of both capitalism and authoritarian socialism, has this to say about the situation in Venezuela:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/sjVHUEI_0-o

I would be interested in what future you predict for "the end of the USA as we know it". Do you believe we are on a path to become the next Venezuela?

[MCheetah]

These people, Progressives and the other Far-Left... They hate their own country, are the most racist and sexist people around while thinking everyone but them are racist and sexist, have no skills or intelligence when it comes to most things, and side with literal Communists who want to kill them.

I get they are mostly Useful Idiots and all, but you know what they say: "The road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions." If these fucking retards are responsible for the fall of America and the rise of China as the world's leading Superpower along with global Communism with it, then they'll deserve no mercy at the end of it all.

Me being an American citizen not currently living in America, I can tell you just how important it is that the US stays on top and that the China problem is dealt with, as soon as possible. But these far-left nitwits and their endless ignorance have no idea what kind of chess game is being played here internationally and how badly they're fucking things up for people across the globe.

So yes, absolutely.

[MCheetah]

Also, GREAT video! Thank you for sharing it.

[Anonymous]

Yes, however...
It's all too easy to present an oversimplified assessment of what is, after all, an incredibly complex situation. Signs of U. S. decline have been around for quite some time now, for decades in fact, and one could convincingly argue that the big event that set the whole train-wreck in motion was the decoupling of the dollar from gold by the Nixon regime way back in 1971, long before most of us were even born. Ever since that time, the U. S. has been living way beyond its means.
Now, admittedly I am neither an economist nor a historian, but I do believe that virtually anyone with an ounce of intelligence will know that whether the Democratic or Republican parties are in control will not make much, or any, difference to anything at all. It's too late to fix the nation, because it's just far too badly damaged, and has been undermined to such an extent that nothing you do now will make any difference. It's just a matter of time before the U. S. implodes the way the USSR did back in 1991. The similarities between the U. S. as it is now, and the USSR during the late 1980's to early 1990's are rather striking (ex. both nations spent billions of dollars/roubles to fight an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, the USSR for eight years, the US for twenty).
The West will collapse within our lifetimes.

[Opinion Owner]

One other thing. I live in a state in Australia (Victoria) that is in many ways like Venezuela as outlined within the clip. A tyrannical socialist government that doesn't tolerate dissent, uses violence to crush demonstrations, promotes obscenities like late-term abortions and "hate speech", and spends money like there's no tomorrow. Do NOT accept socialism! You WILL regret it. Take it from someone who now lives in a socialist hell-hole.
By the way, that was a great video. Perfect, in fact. People need to wake the hell up!

[Anonymous]

I can't be bothered to watch the video, it's probably just right wing conspiracy nonsense. But is it really that bad if a lot of americans don't want the 4th Reich paradise the right dream of?

[Pterodon]

The Reich was far left socialists

[Opinion Owner]

Education isn't your strong point is it.

[Pterodon]

Actually it is. I’d say history isn’t yours

[Opinion Owner]

I love it how you people try and rewrite facts. It's so cuten

[Pterodon]

Geobells own wife poisoned her six children stating she didn’t want her children growing up without socialism. The Soviets found their six children “put to sleep” in Hitler bunker each in their own bunk. This has been verified by Hitler personal secretary

[Pterodon]

His secretary was Traudl Junge

[anylolone]

Woman, the policies of nazi germany were:
Command economy, like venezuela and china, besides every other communist country on earth and no capitalist one.
Wage control, price control, selling quotas, universal healthcare, universal education, everything you want.

[Sabretooth]

https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/ . besides, both Trump and Laura Ingham had father that were nazi sympathizers and so are they with Trump often praising Hitler--as did Candice Owens. David Duke indorsed both Trump and Carlson.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth what does any of that have to do with anything

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon that the republicans embrace Naziism.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth since when?

[Pterodon]

I guess the democrats wanting socialism is ok

[Pterodon]

Since your dad loves Stalin that means you do too? You’re an idiot

[Pterodon]

It’s the democrats that hate the constitution

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth it’s also the far left democrats that are antisemetic just like Hitler. Didn’t Sanders honeymoon in the former USSR?

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon again, doubt you even know what socialism is. again, both Trump and Laura Ingham had father that were nazi sympathizers and so are they with Trump often praising Hitler--as did Candice Owens. David Duke indorsed both Trump and Carlson. and racism has increased in half my family who are Trump-loving republicans. wasn't it the republicans who wanted to over-turn the election? or, made abortions illegal in the dead of night (abortion is an appalling act but went against the constitution)

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon in a case in a long list of cases--Two Boston brothers accused of urinating on and beating a homeless Mexican man and telling police “Donald Trump was right: All these illegals need to be deported,”. kids also used Trump's rhetoric to bully immigrant kids.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth abortion is not protected by the constitution

[Pterodon]

I’ll take Trump anyway over what we have now. It was the democrats that formed the KKK and yes I know what socialism is. I don’t want it. If you do then move to Venezuela

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon an insane, mentally impaired child. and yet, the the republican party has become a home for them with 3 leaders that I know about--they are the ones who honor confederate traitors. as for socialism and Venezuela: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc35x2dCsI8 www.usatoday.com/.../

[anylolone]

@Sabretooth Do you know that the politicians who had a love relationship with the nazis pre WWIII were predominantly from one party?

And that their policies matched very well.
Also, the USSR created a gulag specially for jews in it's far east.

[anylolone]

@Wester1967 What do you want to know? I can copy it to you.

Have you ever blocked someone here, it might be the reason.

[Sabretooth]

@Wester1967 for now. that will likely change. Pterodon is essentially calling the dems Nazi sympathizers and the party of the KKK... regardless of what the actual evidence says... like, The Grand Wizard Roger Kelly--a republican from generations ago. yes, the history of the democratic party was bad but, he's speaking of about what was over 100 years ago... things changed drastically... which is not to say it couldn't happen again.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth no it hasn’t changed at all. The dems are still telling blacks they can’t make it on their own and must have government help and social programs jut like slave owners told their slaves. It’s how they keep them dependent. Nothing has changed

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon and the republicans think that they're animals.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth no. We take a totally different approach. We create jobs to get them independent from the government. I remember Trump increased wages and jobs for all minorities regardless of education more than any in history. I also remember Trump increasing funding to black universities more than any in history. I also remember Trump doing away with Biden’s crime bill and forcing prison reform that greatly benefited blacks. So want to try again?

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon read it: www.brookings.edu/.../ I also remember him turning away blacks from his hotels.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth so. . . Maybe he had a reason and that’s a very questionable source. It’s nothing compared to biden. Need I remind you he stood with segregationists over desegregation of schools?

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon of course. and I can find other sources saying the same things. that's about the only thing you got to point to, isn't it? one thing from years ago... where I can point out that I've seen racism increase... in my own family who were democrats who switched to being members of Trump's cult... racism played a big part of his election. Trump has been endorsed by David Duke and supported by the KKK. what do you think the slogan ''Make America Great Again'' means? www.theatlantic.com/.../

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth a candidate has no control over who endorses them so lay off David duke. Trump has never had anything to do with him. The other thing is a business reserves the right to refuse service to anyone and they don’t have to have a reason. No entity is more racist than the democrats. Increased racism might be your own fault. You scream how you want to be equal yet you refuse to get rid of legal discrimination called affirmative action. So it’s one of two things. You’re so inferior that the only way you can compete is with government social programs or you’re just lazy and want handouts. Frankly we’re sick and fed up with your constant whining and crying

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon okay. blah, blah, blah.

[Pterodon]

@Sabretooth left you speechless

[Sabretooth]

@Pterodon not really. just uninterested in wasting my any more of my time with someone who can only arguing by using parlor tricks.

[anylolone]

@Sabretooth Trump refused services to people who were on government assistance because that drops property value. He owned that to his other black customers.

[Sabretooth]

@anylolone he has a history of not paying people... ask those who ''worked'' for him and his family... ask his lawyers.

[anylolone]

@Sabretooth Actually, people who worked for him are the ones that speak the best of him.

[Sabretooth]

@anylolone none I know of.

[Sabretooth]

@anylolone Giuliani, for one.

[anylolone]

@Sabretooth You know none. There's literally thousand of hours of videos of trump ex workers praising him.

[Sabretooth]

@anylolone yeah? how bout those who can no longer find work? or, those who took the fall for his crimes? didn't he say he'd pay for his bases legal defense? hasn't happened yet. which isn't to say that he doesn't have a large group of sad people fellating his ego.

[anylolone]

@Sabretooth "those who can no longer find work" what do you mean, the ones your guys banned from anything they could, even their bank accounts in some cases?

What you are saying is that you persecuted them and trump failed to protect them, so what?
It's not a cult, you fucker, we manage what we can as a loosely correlated group.
Different from you, we don't have cultish crt and other marxist bullshit.

[Naydyonov]

@Sabretooth Top-down central planning is capitalism? This is an idiotic idea

[Sabretooth]

@anylolone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JI2qMoUBY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeCDJ4xJ4NE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LWFAf0OmCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I9BAUuDRm0&t=2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVx9_9OXtw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMIQ-CXblAI that enough for you for now? or, do you need more?

[anylolone]

@Sabretooth Nope, but you got some very poorly polished shit there.
lol! Seriously, you ask for top down central planning and then say it's capitalist when it's shown how horrible it's.

You guys are finished! Let's Go Brandon, Fuck Joe Biden! Ashley Biden's Diary is Out!

[ThisDudeHere]

Throughout history, I've noticed that it's usually the left that pushes more and more unhinged shit and then it's the more passive right that snaps and decides to not be passive anymore by overreacting.

Look at the final days of the Roman Republic, the French Commune and Weimar Germany.

[Rachelspiks]

Oh, right, we can blame "those damn commies" for the collapse of the Roman Republic. Um... really? Are you from some weird alternative reality or something?

[ThisDudeHere]

@Rachelspiks this is the issue with using the terms ''left'' or ''right'' - you assumed that I meant modern-like leftists brought Rome down. That was not what I meant though. By left and right I would refer to those who tend to push for change all the time vs those who'd either try to retain the status-quo or at least mitigate the changes that would be too drastic. At least that's how I see the left and right.

[Rachelspiks]

That's not what it means though. Why are you trying to deceive people here with your disingenuousness?

[ThisDudeHere]

@Rachelspiks I'm not being deceptive. Why are you being so accusatory?

[BCA6010]

"End of the USA as we know it" is pretty subjective. The country has changed a lot in the span of not much more than a decade, and say for example a new constitution would effectively create a new country. That phrase for some reason seems to always be accompanied by doom and gloom imagery of a giant smoldering crater. I do think that regardless of specifics, a serious attempt to write a new constitution will happen in my lifetime. The USA as it currently exists is one of if not the longest-existing governments still standing, so statistically and historically speaking, its time is coming. That said, yes I do think that the current Democratic party is and will continue to play a major role in decimating the USA. They've pretty openly stated all the way back to 2008 that reducing the US's role and influence on the world stage is a goal of theirs, and some including the current president have celebrated the concept far longer than that. Large chunks of both major parties are pretty deep in China's pocket, as well as others who benefit from a weakened US and Europe, and frankly a lot of the squishy Republicans and isolationist or anti-nationalist libertarians aren't exactly doing anything to put a stop to it, either. So I don't want to give the Democrats too much credit even if they are the largest contributor to that through blatantly self-destructive policies thinly disguised behind ravenously expansive government programs that it not only can't afford, but seems to be completely oblivious to the short and long term negative impacts of those policies.

[BazookaTrouper]

Yes. However, the biggest saving grace for Demoncraps and libtards is, believe it or not, anti-vaxxers controlling the conservative movement and by extension Republican Party with an iron hand.

If you're a Republican and want to fight the left's defense of rioting and looting, moratorium class warfare, feminazism, and attempts to turn the United States into the Soviet Union, BUT you are in favor of vaccine mandates or EVEN just believing getting vaccinated is a good thing, the anti-vaxxer death cultists who have seized control of the GOP will refuse to vote for you, kick you out of their circles, and brand you an "evil pinko Obama-loving Hellbound degenerate" (that was an actual insult I received from a Facebook fruitcake for not opposing vaccine mandates).

I agree with you the Democrat Party and the American Left are bad for the country and culture we care about, but we're going to need to address the anti-vaxxer problem within the right. The main reason Jack Ciattarelli lost the NJ gubernatorial race this month was because of his opposition to vaccine mandates. Republicans who refuse to admit they're taking an unpopular, and more importantly; WRONG position by opposing vaccine mandates (and in the case of Ron DeSantis the legality of vaccines at all) might try another Beer Hall Putsch like the time Agent Orange lost the 2020 election for only catering to the dominionists and COVID-19 deniers.

[Answeriseasy]

I really worry about the direction we are headed. Too much " think as I do or die" in the library party now. There used to be balance from both sides running the show and bringing their strengths to our country. Now thr libs want death to conservatives. Its crazy !
We have ONE major problem in our system of government... are you ready? WE NEED TERM LIMITS on elected officials. Career politicians are lining their own pockets , country be damned. I believe 95% of elected officials come into the game , on both sides, to make things better. Once they are in, they see how powerful the established politicians are and give in or get out. Look at any politician that's been in for more than a couple terms... living in mansions with limos to drive them around. They don't make that much money. They are selling our country out to special interests to line their own pockets. This is not a lib or conservative side... its a lib AND conservative side problem. Problem is, the law makers are who decide if there are term limits, so the push the agenda back so it never sees the light. We don't need socialism, Marxism, communism... we need new senators and house members and a 2 term limit. 4 years and go back to private life. All the rest is BS to keep us fighting so they can keep cashing in... wake up !

[Goforit1010]

Absolutely. Their trajectory since Clinton was in office remains the same - end the USA as most people know it.

People come to this country because their current country is, as Trump put it, a shit hole. And all we hear from the left is how racist America is. How hateful our cops are, how horrible the crime is, and how much the US is causing climate change. There are dozens of "issues" the left focuses on with their media accomplices providing them a platform.

There is not ONE single idea the left has pushed in the past 50 years that's actually HELPED this country. Every single plan they've promoted has chewed away at our morals, our national foundation, our patriotism, the family, religious affiliation, and personal pastimes. In short, the left hates America and always has.

[Oigit]

I think both the left and right can very much be instrumental in the end of the USA as we know it. We have division from the top down and at pretty much every level. As the the division continues and gets worse I can see other countries chomping at the bit. Simply because it means that the US being able to present a united front against a large threat is less likely. To me that is pretty much blood in the water. Also if anything 9/11 showed us anything, it showed us that we are not as touchable as people like to think. If a rag tag group can pull that if, imagine what a couple united countries like Russia and China can do.

[Dragonpurple]

Definitely, the lefts platform is don't work, get UBI, open borders and then complain the government doesn't have enough control to keep inflation under control and make sure we don't have supply line issues.

The left wants absolute control so they can pretend to control the climate. There is a reason that Biden and the left intentionally drove the price of gas up so high right as he took office.

This was not some random thing beyond his control, it was planned. I've heard it for years, the free market doesn't work unless we manipulate it. Then when we manipulate it we can say it works cause it does what we want... so lets stop being energy dependent, have to import oil and then smile when the price of oil and gas goes sky high.

If Biden had kept Trump's energy policies we'd have far cheaper gas and oil, only a fool would think that would not have helped.

[TadCurious]

That is certainly their goal and it's not even something they're trying to hide. If you pay close attention it's not difficult to discern that they really don't like or love America and think its national character is something that should be radically transformed. The critical question is whether they will succeed. I hope and pray that they don't.

[KlinkyCoder]

Even if they end up doing I hope we can give them retaliatory justice.

[MarkRet]

Democrats are kind of naive and dumb, but they’re not criminals trying to destroy the USA. Anyone to the left of traditional Democrats definitely want destruction. On the other hand, most Republicans are liars and criminals, and can never be trusted. We might have to go Libertarian or Constitutional Party to turn this country around.

[Curmudgeon]

It sadly may be. On the other hand, I do remember the horrible "malaise" of the late 1970s, and perhaps this latest bout of Leftist foolishness will lead to another backlash and ultimately our own version of a Cold War victory, just as it did in the 1980s, only this time will will have to be a domestic victory rather than a foreign one.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Yes, They are teaching children critical race theory which defines the system itself as completely broken and it MUST be torn down and a new gentler socialist system put in its place. They WANT to destroy the system. The most successful system in the world for people of All colors. The wealthiest black people in the entire world live here.

Hmmm, Gee, Imagine that

[Exterminatore]

100% accurate.

[TexasRed95]

I put yes but frankly I think it's going to be all sides. Differing opinions are normal. But what more people of many views lack is the ability to understand that people think differently. Not everyone can agree and not everyone can always be happy. The sooner we all understand that the better.

[boxxie2002]

I think America has been slipping out of the top power spot for the past 30 years under both parties.

A lot of in house squabbling has allowed China and other countries to sneak up on the US with powerful trade deals and alliances making them more attractive to work with.

Democrats and Republicans continue to Vito deals and not work together which means they cannot focus on getting things back on track and hold onto the world power slot.

Very interesting question

[lightbulb27]

already have. removing paddling (I assume is left thinking) , discipline in schools, reducing power of parents, and responsibility as a concept.

tearing upart country.
righties caused their problems too with crony capitalism,

[jim009]

No, I think crappy education system, private prisons using people as slave labour, and corporate influence of government will wreck america. I think that true capitalism with government policies that prevent said capitalism from destroying itself through being unsustainable is the way to go, but the direct oposite of what's happening. It doesn't matter anymore if you are a democrat or a republican and that is what will destroy america

[anylolone]

So, socialism?

[jim009]

Hmm, let me put it this way... ever hear of those Easter islands? The ones covered in giant stone heads but no people? Best they can tell the society there thought the heads were good and burnt down all their trees in the process of carving them and moving them around and putting them upright. Their environment collapsed and they got wiped out. Pure capitalism is the best way to make the most heads possible, and good government is the voice of reason pointing out that the system will collapse, a smart village elder perhaps... right now america is just making stone heads tho, there is no elder pointing out that the environment will crash. Now when I say "environment" I'm not talking literal environmernt, i'm talking about the various resources capitalism runs on: money, people, and land. Capitalism aims to use them to the end of making the most stuff the fastest, good government stewards those resources so they are still there for capitalism to use in the future. Hope that helps!

[anylolone]

So, religion is capitalism? Gosh, capitalism is so known by giant statues of stalin and lenin everywhere... Sorry, that wasn't capitalism?

Weird how that didn't even came close to happening to capitalist Europe.

[exitseven]

I think that the backlash from all the destructive policies of the current administration will oust liberals from office for at least a generation. Good thing too because it will take that long for the adults to fix things.

[goaded]

Yeah, because nobody thinks free pre-K, or paid parental leave, or not accepting whatever prices the pharmaceutical companies set are good ideas.

"... for the 20 top-selling drugs worldwide, U. S. sales totaled $101.1 billion, while sales of the same drugs to the rest of the world totaled almost $57 billion in 2020. For 11 of the drugs, revenue in the U. S. was double that of the rest of the world combined. And for 11 of the 13 pharmaceutical companies that sell these drugs, U. S. profits made up most of their revenue."
truthout.org/.../

[anylolone]

@goaded You, with the "eat the rich" bullshit while you give them loop holes.

[goaded]

@anylolone Let me know when a single Republican senator votes to remove one of those loopholes.

[anylolone]

@goaded You mean RINOs with the lincon project?

[goaded]

@anylolone I mean any senator that calls themself a Republican. There are 50 of them. Not one will vote to increase taxes on the rich, or close loopholes that benefit them or corporations, or vote for allowing the government to negotiate drug prices. That a few Democrats are nearly as bad doesn't absolve them of what they're doing.

[anylolone]

@goaded Probably, not gonna search for it.

But I know rand paul will sign for any tax break you put in front of him, but that's internally consistent.

I also know most of them voted for trump's tax cut, which increased tax revenue, objectively increased tax revenue.
So, when republicans vote for tax breaks, even the RINOs, and it was mostly RINOs, it increased tax revenue, when DEMS do it, it decreases. And taxed the poor less, by the way.

[goaded]

Tax revenues were increasing quickly before the tax cut, and slowed afterwards. It did not stimulate the economy enough to make up for itself, because the economy had continued the years of improvement under Obama.

If Democrats cut taxes it's to stimulate a falling economy (usually inherited from a Republican administration), Republicans just keep repeating the same failed (from the people's point of view, not their donors') tax cuts, over and over, then switch back to moaning about the debt as soon as they're out of power again.

[anylolone]

@goaded Sauce? Improving under obama? Are you insane?
Let me see his great accomplishment, his recovery was better than the recession and took ages to kick in. Or better yet, the worst recovery since the great depression.

It's very easy, cut spending. And dems don't do tax cuts, they do tax loopholes.

Oh, and the growth was reduced during obama's years, his unemployment was worst in decades.
Be GDP, per capta or total, unemployment or inflation, obama sucked.

[goaded]

@anylolone If you take the low point of the recession that started under Bush, of course Obama had poor unemployment figures, but they improved immensely, from a high of 9.9 near the beginning to 4.7 when he left office.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NROUST

He was, of course, stuck with McConnell, who blocked more Obama nominees than there had been for all previous presidents combined, filibustered practically everything else, and intentionally made it harder to come out of the recession.

It's a Republican favourite trick to say a Democratic president "couldn't get the opposition on his side", while refusing to negotiate in good faith, negotiating "compromises" in exchange for zero votes, forcing the Democrats to march to the tune of their most right wing member.

[anylolone]

@goaded Yeah, it started under bush , a crisis years in the making by the hands of bush, clinton and the other bush.

Man, his recovery numbers were the worst in history.

[goaded]

@anylolone The end of the Clinton years had the national debt actually going down. Bush could have continued that, but no, tax cuts instead. They all loosened regulations on the banks far too much, but that was well before Obama.

As to Obama's "recovery numbers [being] the worst in history", it's disingenuous to imply that he had a free hand in dealing with it or even a chance to convince people from the other party using reason. I outlined the reasons earlier but can be summed up by one word: McConnell.

[anylolone]

@goaded Clinton had a frozen GDP. Bush, your new ally, really fucked up.
But so did clinton and obama, you know, needless wars do that.

But as you said, literally at the end.

His recovery numbers just sucked all around, it's not disingenuous.
Trump had a hostile house and senate throughout, obama fucked up in the beginning, and kept fucking up, when he deservedly lost the house, he was way behind on recovery, and he lost the house after he lost the natural recovery which was way behind.

[goaded]

@anylolone What "frozen GDP"? It nearly doubled in Clinton's administration and took 18 more years to double again. How is Bush my ally? He's the one who started the bloody needless wars, not Clinton or Obama.

Have you not noticed that every Republican president gets to run up the deficit without a murmur, but god (McConnell) forbid a Democrat gets to help the economy like that?

[anylolone]

@goaded How's bush your ally right now, are you really asking this?

Also, sorry, I got bugged with obama, it did really grow 40% in the years of clinton and his VP.
We have to remember his VP since clinton dashed due to lying under oath.
But what were his policies, once again? Sorry, did he cut welfare? Pushed free trade? And yes, pushed for more taxes to the middle class.

[exitseven]

@goaded Who pays for "free" pre-k? Who pays for "paid parental leave" and what do you think Biden will do about dug prices after big pharma helped pay for his campaign? Your profile says you are 56. I find that hard to believe.

[goaded]

The same people who pay for free K-12 education. Businesses, same as in almost every other country in the world. Hey, shall we count the number of Republican politicians that have even talked about allowing the government to negotiate drug prices? Ready? Steady? Done.

Do you know what the effects of those things would be? More people able to go to work (paying taxes), healthier children, and $50B a year.

[exitseven]

@goaded OK- yes, the taxpayers are on the hook for that. Also, your employer takes the "free" parenta leave out of everyone' pay, even those too old to have kids. In other words lets rob reom Peter to pay Paul.

[exitseven]

*from*

[goaded]

They manage to make it work in 120 other countries ("only half offered mothers a minimum of six months full pay"). Sorry the USA is too poor to support young families.

[anylolone]

@goaded Are you sure they manage to make it work? They can't even manage to make it work on Europe, lol!

[goaded]

@anylolone It works fine. But keep on lying.

[anylolone]

@goaded Actually it doesn't which is something european countries are slowly realizing.
France specially is getting a big reality check right now.

[goaded]

@anylolone As usual, you'll provide nothing to back up your claims. The UK has had maternity benefits since 1911. Germany, since the 19th century.

[anylolone]

@goaded Yeah, worked so well for germany. Such success the weimar socialist republic.

[goaded]

@anylolone 50 years of maternity benefits was definitely the reason for the second world war.

[anylolone]

@goaded One of those, yes.

[genericname85]

the globalist leaders that happen to be left wing extremists will change the world as we know it. that really has not much to do with national politics or presidents. those are just strawmen that really don't play any role.

[Miristheiss]

I think the USA is already over.
The tipping point... the point of no return has already been reached a while back.

[Celtero]

Oh, for sure, and it's already happened as far as I'm concerned.

[DaveJord]

Rome fell because in the end there were not enough willing and able Romans left to defend it.