The same nonsense of ridiculous amount of time with the George Floyd case when it was clearly on video of what those cops did to him unjustly.
The Kyle Rittenhouse case is on video too yet these fools have a hard time deciding a easy judgement case as if its extremely difficult to piece the evidence together. 🙄
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I believe as well there will be a mistrial.
Why are Kyle Rittenhouse jurors taking so long to come with a verdict?
Probably deciding whether to hit him with a lesser charge or not. I feel the jury should have been done the first day, but with this being dragged out, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends with some sort of conviction.
This whole trial was a shit show, especially the prosecution. Building up drama on mainstream media to make sure the whole country is watching and then hope it sparks a reaction on the jury and judge to make a decision based on the responses of people on the events that took place.
Really hoping it ends in acquittal, otherwise pending conviction the like other chances are hung jury or mistrial.
Even MSNBC got caught stalking the jury bus! The fact that his mom is dirt poor, he was almost denied his 5th amendment rights in court, was denied his 8th amendment rights by his bail being set impossibly high, held for 3 months, a celebrity had to pay most of the bail, Facebook and GoFundMe shut down efforts to raise money for his defense...
He's being sacrificed on the altar of a political agenda. And the press isn't even hiding anymore the fact that they've forsaken journalism for activism.
Thing is, they're now acting like having this agenda makes them above the law.
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I think they should take their time. I think they should go over every piece of evidence with a fine tooth comb. This case has become a very polarizing and if they returned quickly, no mater their verdict, the side that disagrees would be screaming about how the result was determined before the trial. It was rigged. It’s wasn’t fair. Take your time, make the right decision. That’s my hope.
I think some are probably scared to vote innocent (as they should), and are scared of the upcoming riots and retaliation against them. They are picking it apart to justify a lesser charge, or delaying it to try to sway the rioters that they "did everything they could to find him guilty but the law wouldn't let them" as a way to appease them.
I think they're taking so long because they are looking for any possible reason to find him guilty, but the reality is that the evidence just isn't there. Those jurors really don't want their town to get destroyed again and they know that if they rule on the evidence, they'll piss off the crazies. You put this in contrast with the Chauvin trial where jurors were also being intimidated with far more complicated evidence, and that was decided in like 30 minutes or some shit. They definitely weren't reviewing the evidence in that ruling. This time they are.
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Honestly, it depends on the jury and if there are holdouts for making a decision. There are people who flat out refuse to convict anyone of any crime at any time, even if they’re guilty, just because they think it’s mean. Given how public this is and that literally BLM is ready to burn down the city again, this could end in a hung jury or mistrial if they don’t reach a verdict by Friday.
If I say come at me bro and have a gun, and you came at me, can I shoot you? Could I prove my life was in danger? Am I negligent for having been in that situation to begin with?
If you have a gun and it's loaded and someone is chasing you and catches up very close to you then you definitely have a legitimate right to fear for your life as that person can easily wrestle the gun from you and kill you or beat the living delights out of you with your gun.
It's up to you to take that chance. A smart and common sense person wouldn't.
Yes, but... you shouldn't be out there trying to police property with an assault weapon. That's the job of the police, not the citizen, to contain civil unrest or property destruction. It is against the law to use deadly force as a means of protecting property. So if you brandish the weapon before anyone actually makes a threat to your life, then you are unlawfully using that weapon.
Because he did kill people. He did illegally possess a gun in Illinois, he did put himself in a position with a high likelihood of danger. At the same time he was in danger or felt in enough danger when he shot people. Posession of the gun was legal in Wisconsin. Even if you're in a position of danger you don't sacrifice the right to protect yourself
Chauvin didn't get a fair trial, jury not sequestered, Maxine Waters bs, etc. He most certainly did not murder anyone, he was not choked to death, he died because he had 3x the lethal limit of fentanyl in his system.
The jury requested 6 pages from the trial. Those 6 pages defined self defense. So the jury are digging down and deep the meaning of self defense to the letter of law i guess.
I'm waist deep in another question here that says otherwise.
My argument is comparing the Florida "stand your ground" shooting from Michael Drejka to rittenhouse. Creating the self defense case before you're killing people should not be be defensible.
maybe they're just taking their time because every day they wait, the prosecution team gets caught either withholding more evidence tampering with evidence, trying to influence the jury, or some other crazy shit. They just wanna see what other laws the prosecution be breaking in order to unlawfully come after Kyle. They know, and the judge knows this will be a self-defense ruling.
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That jury isn't going to come back with a verdict. They've been intimidated, they're scared and there will be a hung jury.
I would be happy with a hung jury. I think- however- that it seems a bit more realistic that the jury come back with a "lesser charge" and slap his wrists with a few years.
You may be right. MSNBC was banned from the trial as someone from MSNBC was caught claiming to be an employee and trailing the jury bus. The judge had also received death threats.
I was more saying that to be insulting. I hope it is crystal clear the left in America is not working from the same concept of right and wrong and justice and injustice the rest of us work from.
It is clear they intend the internal overthrow of this country and a replacement of our values, traditions, and government with new ones.
Yeah. One woman said that she was almost a juror and that the reported actually already took pictures of all of them while they were outside before going into the building, obviously in order to dox them.
That’s crazy. This trial for the left isn’t about self defense. It’s about they don’t like dead commies. It’s about they don’t want people standing up and being on the offensive next time they want to torch cities across America. They want no resistance.
Well they got some resistance in the form of defense. They live in terror of what would happen should people go on the offensive and say: “not in my city” and attempt to restore order when the politicians clearly had police and national guard stand down and some turned down federal aid. They wanted those riots to happen. They don’t want resistance. That’s what this trial is about. I keep seeing it being about 2A. It’s not. It’s about the left trying to punish someone who resisted. Can’t have mobs roaming the streets pillaging and burning and beating at will. They don’t want resistance so they want to punish Kyle and make an example of him So next time no one will dare defend their business or lives.
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I’m sure it’s just like here on gag where people are divided on actual charges. Not knowing details, I’d question a murder sentence, in favor of negligent homicide, manslaughter etc. But we may not know.
He refused to let paramedics through to help Floyd. He did everything in his power to make him suffer and it resulted in death. Floyd was a right piece of garbage but his position as a public servant was abused and he was too dangerous to be allowed to walk. And imho he wasn't a good man either.
@f_ckjoebiden idc the guy is cuffed, he complains about chest pain. its that simple. As someone who was in the medical field you follow certain procedures, period. The officer failed his job miserably in that regard. I'm not lefty, I'm Apolitical.
That is true. Policy move. A big dude like him can act out in a hulk like manner destroying everything in his path once he "awakes" from his drug induced state. Prosecutors had to admit the knee was totally nowhere near his neck.
@WhiteBoyChill what in the hell are you talking about? that has nothing to do with what I just said. I said he broke protocol, which he did. And the testimony of the paramedic on scene proves it. End of discussion, guy was shit at his job.
@WhiteBoyChill it doesn't matter weather you found it moral or not. He was placed in his care and he swore and oath and knew his obligations. If he wanted to be moral he shouldn't have been a leo in the first place as working in gov positions is never moral lol.
@f_ckjoebiden protocol is when a civilian is in your custody and complaining they can't breath or have chest pain you contact paramedics right away AND when they get there you allow them to check the person in custody.
@t-8900 The real f_cking thing here is, did Chauvin commit murder. No. Was it a mess? Yeah. Is it prime for tin foil hatness? Yes. Nothing about it makes any kind of sense.
@f_ckjoebiden it comes into question when you BLOCK paramedics from being able to save his life or attempt to save his life... then it does become murder imho. This isn't a right or left issue with me, or a white or black issue with me. this is a public servant royally f*cking up and getting someone in his care killed and as such should face the full justice of the law.
@f_ckjoebiden "beyond a reasonable doubt". it is what it is. I think that he denied medical aid tbh. girlfriend was a piece of crap, no doubt. But allowing an officer to do what he did presents too many dangers to the citizenry and an example needed to be made AND we can't afford such people in positions of power. We have lots of them but each one we can remove is a small victory.
@WhiteBoyChill meaning what? that the drugs killed him and not the knee? if so that's irrelevant. Once you are in the care of a public servant they are responsible for you. If he had just let the paramedics look none of this would be questioned. Instead he blocked them off and let the man succumb to it. Maybe Floyd died anyways, maybe not. We'll never know now because of the officer's actions. Floyd was a rat bastard, for sure. He got what was coming to him. But because of how it played out and because of the dangers it presents for us all the officer MUST be punished.
@t-8900 The ambulance took half a century to respond to the scene and its their fault those guys were dicking around when they SHOULD’VE realistically been there sooner
I mean in the life and death situations which ambulances have to respond to, how is it justifiable to show up 10 minutes after a call is beyond me. Those guys are the ones at fault
Not really. Variables happen. Preventing them from helping him at all is where the crime took place. Honestly you defend this guy like BLM defends Floyd. You're all being played and you can't see it
Why would I want it to be true? Floyd was a PoS and I wish it were otherwise that he died 💯 differently. And I want to be able to trust public servants. I watched it once when it first released but since it's over now as far as I'm concerned I don't need to bother again. It's like 2 am here so I'm out, peace ✌️
You do realise cases are more complexed than what you see on tv and social media. You're being fed snippets of info unlike the jury who has to go through pages of documents and evidence.
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