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Here's the thing, girl: Vaccines are necessary. In order to go to school, we all had to get vaccinated for dozens of things... DOZENS... and your children will too if they go to public school... it wasn't some conspiracy then? Have you ever heard of whooping cough... or the grandaddy of them all, the worst chronic disease of the past century, POLIO? We Americans completely irradicated the disease 100% by using a vaccine. The hard truth that people don't wanna admit, is that they have zero. leg to stand on as an excuse to not get the vaccine and the booster shot... people say "it infringes on my rights to have to get one in order to go here or go there...". What rights? Exactly which rights are those? The government has to made anyone get the vaccine against their will, it's establishments that are, and this disease will NOT go away until we all get vaccinated. The government is not conspiring to do anything but save peoples lives. "But they're putting trackers in us bro". Haha who gives a shit? We simply aren't that important in an overpopulated world with 8 billion people on it. They already monitor us,. It's called your cell phone and th NSA.. they hear every word you say when your in it's vicinity, so if they are chipping people, it's to monitor the virus/vaccine and your health, and honestly we need that data! Trust the vaccines, there's a 99.9% chance that it won't kill you, and you may not and even feel a cold symptom , yet in turn, can save dozens of. lives. viruses are complex organisms, you can't bash the companies for not knowing in advance how well the already made boosters would work on a strain that hadn't been materialized yet. Lastly, I can't stress this enough to people, fox news... CNN.. nbc.. all or them. are owned by the state.. that's right.. they are all the same. They tell us very specifically what they want us to hear and nothing more. That and social. media. arenruining the world, quickly. There will be a cataclysm of. global. proportions when our grandkids are all grown up, if not sooner
Ghe difference whch you failed to mention is that all of those other vaccines went through a much longer testing process and, byt hte time most of us got them, they had already been used on millions of people and we knew the potential side effects, efficacy, etc.
Polio vaccines prevent people from getting polio. COVID vaccines don't prevent people from getting COVID. And there were never any vaccine requirements, restrictions, or passports. The vaccines were made available and the choice was yours.
This COVID crap is completely different. The government does not even have the authority to implement these restrictions, but they are doing it anyway, knowing that they can hold up the court cases against them for years, and by then, the damage will have long been done.
The reason the CDC changed their mind is because people realized that barely anyone was dying from the Omicron variant so they had to claim most cases are again the Delta variant so they could use it as an excuse to have more lockdowns and school closures.
NYC is going to have distance learning again after Christmas break. They like abusing kids and ruining their education. Same goes for the corrupt teacher's unions that do what they want and ignore what the majority of teachers actually want.
I don’t trust them. I just tested positive for COVID and 3 of my friends tested positive. My family members are showing symptoms and a couple of others in our community have tested positive as well. Cases have definitely skyrocketed, due to the holidays, and they will surge again after New Years because of all the gatherings.
That’s why you treat estimates for what they are (just estimates) and you wait for real world data.
If the estimate is that inaccurate, why bother to give it at all? It is misleading.
You are saying that I should know to ignore what they say?
Not exactly. Everyone should pay attention and be informed. However, when they use the word “estimate”, you have to have a little healthy skepticism because estimates aren’t always accurate. That’s just the nature of guesswork, even educated guesswork. The possibility of something happening is concerning but you don’t get too invested until it actually happens. That just seems like common sense to me.
22.5% vs. 73.2% is not a little error!
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If you didn't make custom Brittney Spears inspired CDC lyrics, I definitely was going to!
Yeah, I don't really trust the CDC, but I do think they're at least WAAAAAAY less shady than the World Health Organization and Tedros literally sucking Jinping's dick under the desk of their headquarters.
I hear you, brother!
I know that CDC cranking out case numbers is only used for the corporate media fear porn, but quite frankly, this is the variant we want running roughshod through the population. This variant is so mild that even the South African scientist who isolated it was mystified by the various governments of the worlds reaction to it. It's not even a surprise because this is what viruses tend to do, evolve to be more transmissible and less deadly.
But yeah Boris, lockdown again to distract from the fact that you threw over 9000 parties during lockdown last year.
In honor of @Adam_DoesArt, two quotes need repeating:
@007kingifrit - except they are consistently wrong, and always in the direction of defending their institutions. not us
@Slingblade1126 - @007kingifrit exactly. Don't tell people to "shut up and follow science" when they push back, then two days later do a 180 with no explanation. There is absolutely no trust left.
In other words, they are not "following the science" at all - they are pushing a political agenda. And moreover, even with the risks of the Red China Wuhan Flu, at what point do their efforts cause more harm than good, like ruining people's livelihoods, which ALSO ruins their health?
government employees will always air on the side of caution to protect their institutions and thus themselves.
they are not being wrong by accident or out of caution to protect us from covid... they are doing it to make sure they don't get blamed for anything tht MIGHT happen
It's called "cover your ass."
Considering how much weaker Omicron is, I would rather the high estimate have been accurate.
The WHO is a Chinese pawn, and the CDC... while it does good research behind the scenes, they're notorious for making outlier research their "official" stance rather than supporting the most popular consensus, especially when it's politically convenient. Listening to any given news source is unlikely to reveal this fact, so you would normally have to go directly to source (CDC page), and a lot of high profile people had their social medias decimated for quoting CDC studies that contradicted the choswn narrative. So while this is disappointing, it's not really surprising.
The FDA and CDC are controlled by politicians, and politicians are controlled byb the desire for money and power. Never trust anybody who cares more about money or power than people (most politicians). Power-hungry people are the worst and should be euthanized.
its even simpler than that
bureaucrats always seek to defend their institution. given the chance to risk the credibility of their institution or push responsibility elsewhere. they will push it eslewhere.
in this case that means they will always take the path of least risk on covid and say its worse than it is
u Because they have our absolute best interests at heart and have been completely truthful since day one.
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As of May 2020, anyone who was paying attention could easily see that their projections and propaganda were bullshit. If people recall, we were sold this notion that hospitals will be over filled and that we would be stacking bodies on the street as though this was Philadelphia 1919 all over again. Well when that didn't materialize, at that point they became a clown show.
they said vaccines would keep you from getting it, then said it would keep you alive when you got it. Then booster shot. no mask , one mask, then two masks. That if we just shut things down it will disappear. Never right once and then Liberals blame Trump for it all.
I just read a story about a woman that got vaccinated 4 times and still caught the virus. She was stopped from boarding a plane to Dubai after exhibiting some of its symptoms.
We could possibly get you a job writing songs for Britney Spears.
I don't trust the government of my own country. They let a woman fly in here from Panama, sick like a dog with the Omicron virus. So they stopped her in the airport---big deal! Ten more people so far have the Omicron virus! The kicker is that we have enough problems with the Delta virus. And Panama and the people on the plane she came in messed up just as badly. I know a doctor in my country who was fired for a much less monumental gaffe!
And then they turn around and say that your downtime from 10 days it's okay to go to 5 days as long as you wear a mask something is not right there hasn't been something right since the whole thing started
They just did this with health care workers in NY state.
Said if they are asymptomatic they can return to work after 5 days of testing positive. Asymptomatic they define as a cough that is not disruptive to others. However these health care workers can only go home or to work. They can’t even stop and get a cup of coffee…you know…because they might spread the illness. Everyone else has to still quarantine for 10 days.
They fired everyone who refused to get vaccinated. Now they’re just short handed and adjust the rules to suit their agendas.
Its a government agency. WHY are you "trusting" it in the first place? Did you not pay attention in grade school history classes?
I am NOT trusting the CDC.
You should have figured this one out like a year-and-a-half ago on the WHL couldn't figure out what the fuck they needed to do or say or tell people
I haven't believed anything from the government about covid since Saint Fauci gave conflicting advice about 'you don't need to wear a mask' and 'you need to wear a mask.'
I treat government and media reporting with healthy caution, but I distrust social media babble even more.
The CDC also reduced its quarantine guidelines from 10 days (remember when it was 14 days?) to 5 days, and some cities have relaxed their vaccination mandate for health care workers because too many are not showing up for work.
All of this is continuing proof that no one really understands the SARS2 coronavirus and its associated COVID-19 disease.
This is all Mother Nature, and we all know that Mother Nature is a woman, and it's pointless to try to argue with or control a woman.
It's 'cause people know that Omicron is weak, and they're not scared anymore. And the government wants them to be scared again.
Fear is a powerful motivator.
Yep.
I don't trust them, but I take what they say and look at what countries who have a better handle on things say and make my own informed decision about things. Don't get all your info from one source.
Anyone who still even considers trusting any government bureaucrat, much less politicians or pundits, is too naive for this Earth.
Both things might be true as they are not mutually exclusive and occurred at different times.
I find it disappointing that you, of all people, apparently believe that changing public statements in response to changing conditions or new information constitutes lying. This is a rhetorical trick used mostly by white supremacists and anti-vaxxers to justify criticism of health officials. I know that you know that this is illogical and also wrong.
Did you read the news report I cited? They are both estimates for THE SAME time period. And I do understand that estimates are just that - estimates - and I expect SOME error, but. . . if 22.5% vs. 73.2% is an acceptable margin of error, then they should simply admit up front that they have no idea what they are doing.
You sound triggered.
They are having trouble obtaining accurate estimates - that doe NOT mean they are lying.
"Dr. Jerome Adams, the former surgeon general in the Trump administration, explained that the revision was likely partly due to a responder bias caused by a testing quirk with omicron called "S gene dropout," in which one of the three target genes is not detected. When that gene is not detected, it can be an immediate marker for omicron.
"A lot of people were seeing this S dropout on the tests even before they got the follow-up genetic testing, and so those samples were disproportionately more likely to be sent in for sequencing," Adams told Fox News Digital. "
I never said that they were lying about this (although I HAVE called Fauci a liar and I stand by that accuasation.) I am simply noting that the CDC makes factual statements which are presented with confidence and authority and the statement later prove to be false. So, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and I say they will continue to engage in reckless behavior and I will not give them a pass on this. Not liars, just gross recklessness.
Would you provide a psychological evaluation knowing that the date was THAT unreliable? They shouldn't give us "information" that is that awful, as it encourages people to ignore everything that they say.
Institutions with academic experts in this field are far more credible in their predictions than those without that expertise.
They are not omniscient and can be wrong. However, following their advice gives a reasonably expected lower probability of being wrong.
The pandemic is clearly a situation where there is quite little information and more becomes clear with time. That’s an inherent trait of a new virus and variants that need time to be researched. This means it is not necessarily bad to be wrong initially, because people are not omnipotent and are not omniscient
I understand everything that you said very well. The foul is in stating opinions with absolute confidence, as if they are facts, when you have no basis to know whether your opinion and no more than educated guesses, because. . . this example shows how absolutely wrong an educated guess can be.
Sure, I will agree that these institutions do need to express that e. g. the situation is uncertain but will become more clear over time
The probem began with Saint Fauci telling us in very clear and unequivocal terms that we did not need to wear masks and later admitting that the advice was a lie issued only to protect the supply of masks for heath care workers. Every liar has a justification for telling their lies and he is no different. The fact that he is an MD does not convert it from a lie to something less objectionable.
No idea how the old statistic was produced. It's not an exact science. I don't know if they can tell them apart without expensive testing.
Never trusted them to begin with. It's all smoke and mirrors all the time.
Did you reference a Britney Spears song from 2000? Nice!
Yes, I did!
I stopped trusting them almost as soon as I heard they exist!! They, and Fauci and the WHO and the fake-stream media have done BUT lie to us to scare us into submission ever since covid started!!
Last I heard, the O variant has only killed 12 people!! 1 in England and the rest in S. Africa.
It is a real shame that between the government and the fake news that the majority of people don't listen to any of it anymore.
Haven't been listening to their rhetoric for months- many months - - - - -
Yeah I don’t know what to think anymore but I go by what I see and hear at work and different places along my route talking to people and it’s definitely been spreading quite rapidly
We can't- but I don't know who else to trust
I listen to everything they say but approach it with great skepticism.
you can trust me. covid has a 99.6% survival rate. the media, fauci, the government all lied to you and made it seem like a bigger deal than it was and they destroyed our lives for nothing
@007kingifrit so did the Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1919, still killed more than the war. We don't even know the full numbers due to how reporting worked.
You got a gut? Go with it.
@007kingifrit an epidemiologist
@007kingifrit he wrote a hook on it about 30 years before I was born. I am glad you think so. highly of me, but I'm not that good.
@Daniela1982 and there isn't a vaccine for the Spanish flue.
It's true who are we to believe, we never know what we will hear next?
Goes to show even they can't keep their lies straight
get over it it's like a bad FLU and people die from the flu all year too.
Except for the last two years. The last two years everyone died of covid.
I stopped trusting the CDC a while ago. And don't get me started on that troll Dr. Facui.
So the CDC was off by a margin of 51%.
Not bad for government work!!!
We know the new variant is less deadly, also we don't know how free this holiday season was compared to last year's.
So the CDC can't be trusted because of an incorrect estimate, but a cult leader whose told 30,000 lies can be trusted. Lol, unreal.
Oh yes, Trump lies, Trump is so bad. But the poor innocent Democrats, every time they lie to our faces they’re just incorrect. It’s totally innocent!
I don’t give a crap about how many times Trump was wrong. The people who hold the real power in this country are the ones manipulating the narrative and doing the damage that is hurting and killing people. So stow your feigned outrage, nobody believes you anymore. Trump isn’t on the 2022 ticket but 2/3 Independents have had enough of the DNC.
@DarkWinterNights So you're implying the cdc lied presumably to scare people, then said actually never mind, it's not that bad. Lol. How does that even make sense? Why not continue the lie then?
The notion that a projection was made based on available data, then revised upon new data, is just too implausible right? Everything's a conspiracy to you nuts. 🙄
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The rest of your comments are so fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin, so I won't.
the fact that you had to post this anonymously shows the quality of your side. and you know there is something wrong with your assertion.
trump rarely lied about anything important. the CDC is affecting our lives very directly with constantly being wrong
What new data said masks work as apposed to actually increasing your risk of infection? What new data arose that said three feet distancing is fine as apposed to 6 feet? What new data arose that said asymptomatic people spread covid at an alarming rate two days after the WHO said studies have shown there is virtually no spreading among those that are asymptomatic? Why, after 2 fucking years, is there no discussion on natural immunity? You ask Lord Fauci and his answer is "to early to know"? But yet, they know everything about a vaccine they created in 6 months. The list goes on and on and on! Remember when dumb Fuchs like you were disinfecting your groceries?
If you change the word "Covid" with "Climate Change", the insanity from the left becomes a little clearer. If you remember, within one month of the pandemic, the left along with the WHO started rattling on about climate change being responsible for the virus and it will only get worse. These people are fucking insane! There goal is clear.
You can't trust information from anyone anymore. Not just the CDC.
They're erring on the side of caution, moron. Would you prefer they did it the other way?
Pfft, the firemen made me leave my house in the middle of dinner and the fire barely made it out of the kitchen! What a bunch of overreacting jerks! Now my dinner needs to be reheated, how inconvenient for ME.
Who said I trusted the CDC?
I certainly don't!
It's call science, data, analysis always be prepared to change depending on the data
except they are consistently wrong, and always in the direction of defending their institutions. not us
@007kingifrit exactly. Don't tell people to "shut up and follow science" when they push back, then two days later do a 180 with no explanation. There is absolutely no trust left.
@Slingblade1126 Agreed 100%, well said. It's a shame there's no way to like people's replies on this site 😕.
Just tryna provoke fear into people probably got called on their bullshit
Also how would the doctors know do they take blood and send it to a lab or something
I don’t trust any of them. The CDC, Dr Fauci, Bill Gates. They’re all trying to line their pockets.
the sad thing is people keep repeating and quoting fake news and paid scintific professional liars.
UK government was panicking also, just before Christmas. Before realising that few were getting seriously ill with it. Good way to destroy the catering industry though.
How are people still falling for it?
Because they’re completely stupid and completely indoctrinated.
You shouldn't trust anything related to the government
🤣🤣 this was so catchy
The CDC doesn't require vaccines for its own staff
source?
Nobody's perfect.
ESPECIALLY the CDC!
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Yes it will make more infections
Lol 😂
Pretty little liars.
I don't trust them.
We shouldn’t
I do not know
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