How is needing an ID to vote racist but needing an ID to leave your house is not?
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Hahahaha! Oh you poor dear! Don't you realize that the definitions of all kinds of words are "fluid?" Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the latest and greatest definition of "racist." I'll be YOU think racist means something like "judging someone by the color of their skin instead of by the content of their character." LOL! You're SO confused! In fact, believing THAT makes YOU a racist!
So what's the new definition of "racist" you ask? Why it's really quite simple. Anything that's opposed to the Democrat party having complete control over government and your life is racist. Because voter ID laws make it harder for Democrats to cheat in elections, they are racist. Note that this ONLY applies to swing states. Places like New York which have stricter voting requirements than swing states like Georgia aren't racist because the Dems will still win them. So no problems there. But if you support ANY quality control in Georgia--THAT my friend is fucking RACIST!
So that brings us to needing ID to leave your house to say, get a Big Mac and some fries and McD's. Racist or not racist? But wait--you say--isn't it the case that blacks and other persons of color are less likely to be vaccinated than whites? And isn't it ALSO the case they they're less likely to have "access" to IDs? So doesn't that mean that this policy will disproportionately impact people of swarthier races? And isn't THAT racist?
Almost, my friend--almost. But no where in there does a black person getting a Big Mac at McD's do ANYTHING to help the Dems control the government and your life. So they don't give a shit. And therefore it' can't be racist.
So you see, if you understand the ACTUAL definition of "racist" in the year 2022 you'll see that it IS indeed totally, completely, unequivocally racist to require IDs to vote but in no way shape or form is it in ANY way racist to require the same people to have the same IDs and more documentation to leave their house.
I wonder which party would oppose the following solution:
Every eligible voter would be provided with a voter photo ID, as is done in almost every other Western country. This would be paid for by the government, so there would be no excuses. Anyone without the ID would be in violation of the law.
Voting would take place on election day. ID would be verified and handing in of one and only one ballot would be documented. If unable to go to the polls, an election official would come to you and record the process on tape. Physical copies of ballots would be stored until after the outcome is known and unchallenged. Ballot harvesting, mail-in ballots, etc., would be illegal.
It’s not too expensive. We burned $2 trillion in Afghanistan to protect it’s opium trade (record crop the last year we occupied the country). If we can afford that, we can afford this. We all know which party would oppose this. That is very telling.
most of this is fine but its 100% not ok to have an election official come to you. this is historically an easy way to make voter turnout higher among some groups than others
using machine learning we can now go to houses that vote how we want and ONLY help them vote and not others. its called ballot harvesting
@007kingifrit The election department would be required provide election services at the location of anyone unable to make it to the polls. This wouldn’t be discretionary for the election department, and as such wouldn’t be ballot harvesting.
Needing ID is not racist, My former political party is spreading negative ideas expecting citizens to be stupid and believe the lies. It's embarassing. The election ballot is sacred and I want MY vote to count so I want to show ID and make a more secure ballot as well as stop non-citizens from voting... Why would anyone think it's a good idea to have anyone be able to vote without ID? What if a country that hates us dropped off millions of people in the weeks leading up to election day to cast unsecure ballots?
So you can vote without id where you live? Whaaat? Then every random person at any age from other countries can vote too. I mean what if many people go to america to vote to influence the politics and go back to their home after voting. So i can vote too? Lol. Nowhere in Europe you can do that. Why is that allowed in a western country like america?
South Dakota passed a voter id law that claimed you could only use an ID that had street addresses on it.
They did that because they wanted to disqualify American Indians from voting. Because everyone knows on a reservation, there are no street names or numbers. So the ids do not reflect that.
That's racist.
In other states, they claim you must have an id to vote. But then restrict the hours for the facilities that are responsible for giving out those ids. Or they limit the number of facilities for certain jurisdictions that do not vote the way they wish.
When you try to limit the ability of people to vote, it is a well-established fact that you simply do not like the way they vote.
It is not just racist. . . it is not even trying to have a representative democracy. Why would you even want to be in a nation, where the minority rules? Even if you agreed with their politics?
Nothing in that post made any sense. American Indians have voted with their tribal ids for decades. South Dakota tried to outlaw their ids knowing they would not be able to find one that gave a street address.
Luckily the legislation was overturned.
Its weird. As batshit crazy as you are, I would never support legislation affecting your ability to vote.
You still do not understand what the fucking Constitution says.
Every citizen is given the rights and freedoms in the Bill of Rights by virtue of being a citizen. To deny someone service based upon something they cannot control. . . which is your assessment of their make-believe race, is to violate their rights.
To refuse to serve a batshit crazy insane anti-vaxxer like you, is not a violation of your civil rights. Because where does it end? If you can't believe in what has been commonly accepted as scientific fact for decades what other batshit nonsense are you likely to believe in? You might disbelieve that smoking causes cancer and blow your second hand smoke in people's faces. You could have a contagious disease and disbelieve the medical advice to stay in your home or seek treatment.
No restaurant can be forced to violate other people's civil rights just because you are batshit crazy.
The funny thing is. . . THE RESTAURANT WILL STILL SERVE YOU. THEY JUST WON'T LET YOU SIT IN THE RESTAURANT WITH OTHER CUSTOMERS.
Again batshit. . . the Constitution protects civil rights. . . it does not violate them. If you want to believe in that crazy batshit nonsense that you post, you are free to do so and free to dine at restaurants that share your beliefs or at least does not mind them.
Again, its hilarious just how insane you are. Because there are restaurants, airbnbs, etc. that ban people who identify as liberals or democrats.
THAT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL IN THE EYES OF THE CONSTITUTION, BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE BELIEFS OF AN INDIVIDUAL AND NOT SOMETHING BEYOND THEIR CONTROL LIKE YOUR BELIEF IN THE MAKE-BELIEVE OF RACE.
But the minute a restaurant bans a crazy batshit anti-vaxxer like you. . . you whine like a bitch.
While South Dakota has done some fucked-up things in regards to Native Americans voting rights, requiring an ID is not one of them. In part because you don't need an ID that shows your address in order to vote, you can just use your social security card. Even if South Dakota were to add in a law to say that you need to use the ID with your place of residence, federal law states that you can simply use your social security card and it would overrule the law South Dakota
All Native Americans have a Social Security number and could go to any public office to get a card if they don't already have it
Politicians doing wrong for the Native American population mostly have to do with districting. But the ACLU won five out of six court cases in regards to this issue
@Diodoro Thank you for adding that. I knew of some re-destricting efforts. I didn't know they had stooped so low as to try that against American Indians. I have several indigenous folks in my group, but we have not talked about this yet. I will bring it up at our next meetup.
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You need to check your head in on straight.
Voter ID and proof of ID are not the same thing.
Voter ID's need to be of certain government issue, and not all people, not only from minorities, have these. By demanding only those with these ID's can vote - deprives many of their right to vote. In more civilised countries it is enough to prove you are a citizen on the electoral register, to vote.
As for "proof of ID" it can be anything from a university student card to a work ID. It only needs to verify your name.
And the reason it is racist is because no one cared about voter ID until a study came out that showed people of color were 39% less likely to have ID. If ID was free and issued at the ballot box, no one would have a problem with it, but when you suggest that to the far right they curl up into a ball and cry until you go away and stop hitting them with reason.
Lol, stop being brainwashed so I don't have to keep beating you over the head with how your heros all think you are a meaningless retard, dumb piece of shit 🤣🤣
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Well you have to be when you run your own business, but I'm sure a leftwing zealot like you wouldn't know anything about having to earn a living. After all bieng able to find success without government handouts is a far rightwing conspiracy
Lol I doubt your dumbass even has a clue just how much work and effort goes into making your toilet flushable. You probably think the magical poop fairy just magics your waste away. But for the record I am an electrician. Remind me what do you do for a living... probably sit around your mailbox waiting for that welfare check to come in.
Sounds like the sort of thing a dumb piece of shit would say about themselves. And yet sponges are useful for removing dumb pieces of shit from places no one wants to smell them.
Repetition is how the far right fake news brainwashed you. I figure if I keep reminding you you are a dumb piece of shit you'll maybe decide to stop being one.
That and we keep hearing how different laws are racist because they disproportionately affect blacks. Well, there you go. These mandates are racist because they disproportionately affect blacks that have much lower vaccination rates.
(Feel free to replace the word "blacks" with whatever word isn't considered racist today as that is not my intent. I just can't keep up with which words are and aren't anymore.)
@Diodoro Even where they are free, they complain that it takes time to go get them.. or they don't have the documents... But never offer to help with either. If these people are truly this disadvantaged, then they are eligible for a lot more help, but they need ID to sign up.
It just proves that these people don't want to actually help people, they just want to block efforts to protect our elections. Hmmm, Wonder why that is...
As usual, you're being misleading about the requirements. It's nothing to do with leaving your house, they're only for going into restaurants, bars, gyms, and such. Not:
Retail outlets, churches, hotels, homeless shelters, markets, health care facilities and pharmacies, law enforcement and government offices like the DMV, etc.
They'll tell you this stuff with a straight face too. I guess all those people out there who are too poor to get IDs will still have the right to vote, they just can't leave their homes to do so.
@WhiteBoyChill they'd have to be able to request a ballot by mail. It's also assumed they don't have access to the internet, or they just don't know how to use it, so they can't request one online...
@WhiteBoyChill Admit it, the only reason you even know anything about mail in voting is because your dictator lost in 2020, when he was sure that the majority could NEVER vote against him, and how he stilled "loved America".
How exactly is someone too poor to get an ID its not hundreds of thousands of dollars it's an ID I just went to get my license a few months ago and this was during covid and I think it was $35 or $55 for my driver's license
@Junior42 if you're living paycheck to paycheck you can't afford to spend $50 on an ID. Not everyone has access to the internet to find info, not everyone has transportation to get to where they need to go. In some rural areas DMVs and other places where you get IDs are only open once a week. Sometimes once a month and only for a couple hours in the middle of the day, when these people are working and can't afford to take the day off. 37 million people live below the poverty line.
Okay I see what you're saying I a paycheck to paycheck I have any transportation I get that only open once a week/month if that really sucks didn't know that but is that a different place than the DMV? Because the DMV is open a lot more open than that maybe not in a rual area ig
@Smashingdoozy <~~~~ what she said !!! It's not that needing an ID is racist, it's intentionally making it more difficult for people of color, the poor, those in deep rural areas, etc, to obtain them. Especially now if a state's legislature is controlled by Republicans, the process of getting ID's or absentee ballots get "inexplicably delayed" somehow. Isn't that interesting.
Ironic how the worm turns. In Georgia's last Gubernatorial election, then Secretary of State Kemp had his office intentionally sit on absentee ballot requests and new voter registration paperwork, failing to return ballots or ID confirmations in time for the election. He also purged voting lists claiming they were all people who had not voted in very many years. Let's call it highly suspicious at best, and criminal abuse of the power of his office at worst.
Then he wins his election narrowly over Abrams, who got the black vote out in Georgia that defeated Trump. Then the treasonous ex-President calls out Kemp for failing to overturn the election, as well as making the infamous call to Raffensberger, also a criminal act. Both men basically tell Trump to go fuck himself because "everything is legit in Georgia". My, how the worm turns.
@Junior42 How exactly? When you're living below the poverty line, as roughly 46 million Americans do - that's FIFTEEN per cent, and there are 4 people of voting age in your family and an ID costs $35-$50, that's HOW !! Why should a voter ID cost anything at all? It shouldn't.
I get what you're saying and I guess you would get an ID when your 18 you know so your family for four people your wife or husband should have had an ID since they were 18 if not sooner so that takes care of half the cost your kids each would be their own cost but I agree it shouldn't cost anything I asked my dad and he said it's to only allow the citizens to vote and not everybody else whos here legally but you're right it shouldn't cost anything
It shouldn't cost you ANYTHING at all. You're born with the right to vote when you reach a certain age. It's not a privilege, it's a right. Your social security card is free, so should your voter I. D. card be free. By arguing the "cost" angle, you are entirely missing the point.
@loveslongnails no... I'm not missing the point. Here, you have other options if you don't have an ID. They will take a utility bill, or bank statement. I am not opposed to making a bisic ID free. You'd think we'd do that before throwing out the idea of ID altogether.
Need mind an ID isn’t racist but the lack of support and resources for getting the ID card is. You’re looking in the wrong direction and using nonsense for gas lighting the victims. I suspect you’re just trolling from asking the question and not asking the question to sincerely know what’s going on and wanting to listen to others to understand and just want to listen to argue.
It's racist in the same way that the Beatles were Communist, i. e., not at all, but that doesn't matter, because the label has been taken by a political group and used as a scarlet letter to tarnish anyone or anything they object to.
Needing an ID to leave your house is simple "Ihre Ausweis, Bitte" population control. One foot on the ice, one foot on the banana peel, and no clue that anything's about to go wrong...
It isn't. That's an idiotic talking point invented by the swamp creatures for reasons that subvert the fact the overwhelming majority of the country left, right and center of every race and creed supports the idea.
The seemingly obvious reason is because there are incumbent politicians who know they'd be screwed without their illegal votes...
It is racist of airlines to ask for my ID , it is racist for them to not let me get a driver's license without an ID , and when I buy a gun how racist of them to ask for ID's. Voting should be fun and anyone should vote whether they are Americans or not. Right?
It's racist if it's difficult for people who don't drive to obtain an ID. Who doesn't have a driver's license? City dwellers, particularly less wealthy city dwellers, who are disproportionately people of color. That's why it's racist. These ID laws always exclude IDs that non-drivers are likely to have, like student IDs.
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It's more about the availability, and cost. If things like drivers licenses or ID cards were free seemless to get (going through the dmv can be extremely difficult in lower income areas) I'd agree.
It's seen as racist based upon the demographics is affects. If the voter Id law had provisions to give all eligible voters said Id, sure. But if they're Rolling out ids, and during an election a bunch of these id's were "misplaced" it seems unfair.
The idea if voter IDs is not racist, the way the GOP wants to implement is suspicious.
They only care about voting is because they want as many people to vote for them for handouts as possible. If they divorced even half the amount of time and money into free government issued ID’s that would help far more people since you basically can’t rent an apartment/housing, get a job, drive a car, fly on a plane, buy alcohol, buy a gun, etc.
Please explain to me how is it extremely difficult in low-income areas to get an idea I don't understand I went to get an ID then years later i went to get my driver's license and it wasn't that hard I just had to make an appointment ( and this is during covid) what is the hard part I don't understand I think it was like $35 for my driver's license or $55 I don't remember but it wasn't that much
I'd also look up the stats on voter fraud, it's EXTREMELY rare.
As for Dems crying about 2016. Anyone saying that "Russia hacked the election" is wrong. The issue was that Russia invested in millions of social media bots and political advertising to encourage and instigate unrest and feed into our already divided angst.
They did not change votes. The 2016 election was valid, the 2020 election was valid. Russia's "meddling" campaign was not direct election fraud
It’s simple honestly. Having a vaccine card is supported by the Left so it is considered good on the news.
Requiring an ID for voting even though an ID is needed for most everything else, is considered Racist by the Left because they don’t support it. Simple really.
needing an id to vote is not racist. it ensures that only actual citizens of the country vote and not some random tourists or illegal immigrants from any country. it's also supposed to prevent that people can vote multiple times by going to different districts.
I read a tweet (so take with a grain of salt) of a guy who went through the 'test' line at a Sac. Kings game, tested positive, then went into the vaxxed line, showed his card, and got in the game.
It isn't but the left will do anything to be in control. However what is racist is requiring an address from natives I believe that as long as the have proof that they're native plus photo id they should be good to vote.
@grega239 If that were happening today people would be prosecuted for crimes against humanity: genocide and dispossession. You might as well say that murdering someone and taking their possessions is fine. There should be no law enforcement, just a free-for-all where warlords take whatever they want. There are places like that. They are extremely impoverished.
@grega239 You didn't answer my question about murdering people and taking whatever they have. Is that fine too? Should I just be able to walk into a house I want, kill the inhabitants, and take over as long as I can defend it from someone else?
@slatyb like i said these type of authoritarian people dont think. they live a life on contradictions but dont deal with the inner monologue because they allow others to think for them.
You know what the "left" won't do? Attempt to prevent the certification of an election or suppress the vote. So it's not the "left" that will do anything to be in control. It's the right. They know that they are in the minority but adopt any means necessary to remain in power, including making it as difficult for their opponents to vote.
@grega239 Proving your identity is not the problem. The problem is that they Republicans carefully write the legislation to cause the maximum possible inconvenience to people that don't already have a driver's license. So they allow IDs that Republican voters are likely to have, like a driver's license or hunting/fishing license. They disallow other IDs like student IDs because students tend to vote democratic. It's a form of poll tax.
There is a form of public transportation in rural areas. It's not like it is in cities. Also there are friends, relatives, neighbors who take people shopping and to medical appointments who will take them for an ID.
@LikeALog Public transportation in rural areas? Really? Like what? In most rural areas there is none. So it's no hardship to beg someone for a ride, travel who knows how far, wait for who knows how long, just to get a particular ID to vote, and that's not voter suppression?
@slatyb I understand what you are saying. There are people who live in rural areas that don't have a car and/or are house confined. How can they get an ID if they can't leave the house? My question to you is this. How are they going to vote if they can't leave the house?
^ that's also kind of the point. It's really hard for these people to vote, even by mail and they have just made it even harder again so a lot of these people are just going to give up
How can you vote without an ID? Every person here is like assigned a number, you show ID and then they cross it off write it on your ballot then you vote.
@slatyb NZ. You give them your ID to confirm you are who you say you are. Can be anything; drivers license, 18+ card, passport, birth certificate. There are ways you can enroll to vote without ID but it takes longer to do. I think now you enroll online, confirm your ID then you get sent a letter in the mail which has a voting card which you take to the voting place.
That's New Zealand, and states in the US that want people to be able to vote. Republican-controlled states, they carefully exclude most forms of ID that are held by non-drivers, because non-drivers tend to vote Democratic. Even student IDs issued by state universities are not accepted. People without driver's licenses are forced to travel to a state office somehow, them wait for who knows how long to obtain the ID that allows them to vote.
it's all true. republicans are largely unpopular with younger and/or non-white voters... and they know it. you only need to here one thing and one thing only: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR4wxlCGIu0 . course... I'm not sure that they need voter suppression... I don't see an energetic vote for the democrats... certainly not for Biden and Harris.
Its not. The Dems are just using something they created and are guilty of themselves (racism) to try to benefit their own political agenda. It won't work. It isn't working because their party is dying.
It's not, that's just the propaganda line democrats in the U. S. are pushing to justify a radical policy change. You can institute any insane political retcon if you just yell "racism!" at the top of your lungs into the twitter echo chamber.
HArris said black pepole do not have the chance to get an ID (which is false) and they could not "Afford one" she is a fucking raciest herself, We should fire her ass and biden too.
I dont get it. In my country you can't cast a vote without presenting your id. Hell, the police can fine you if you're out as a minor after a certain hour without an id.
It doesn't. It's all bullshit used to brainwash people into only thinking everything is racist.
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Because you can restrict the voter ID place, making it so there's only one place that will make acceptable forms of ID, and it's only open one hour a month, and shit like that. Racists are well practiced at this sort of thing.
@zagor They are trying to but the GOP has already passed many voter restriction laws at the state level and blocking fixes at the Federal level in the Senate.
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Now that th government is pushing to require everyone but illegal aliens to have a vaccination ID to go anywhere they really cannot argue against requiring an ID to vote,
I don't think needing an ID to vote is racist. At the same time, I can understand treating COVID seriously, though I fully support exceptions for those who can't get vaccinated.
It's the type of ID. I don't have a driver's liscence. I shouldn't need one to vote. The problem with voting ID laws is that they only allow specific types of ID.
So those that don't have street addresses don't count. Homeless, live on a reservation means you don't have a street address. You can still get a government ID. Still doesn't have a street address because you don't have one.
They still accept the state Id don’t they? And of course it has to have an address, so you are voting in the right district. God you people are stupid.
The law was shot down, but if it was passed those who don't have a street address, because they're homeless or live on Indian reservations couldn't vote.
I gave an example of a type of law that was proposed. Most of the voter suppression laws I hear about are proposed and may be passed, but I don't know if they are until well afterwards. I remember hearing about one in Virginia or North Carolina that may have been passed. Also I would need to check on the Atlanta one, but since it caused MLB fo move the location of the ASG, it probably wasn't good. You can disagree with what they did, but in Atlanta it happened.
No idea why people are against voter ID. Where I live, you have to present your ID to two different voting officers before you can vote and no one complains.
As long as everyone who's eligible to vote has a suitable ID, there's no problem. The problem comes when some people don't. (And, it's also a solution without a problem; the number of cases of in person voter fraud in the whole US are in the double digits, if that.)
Why should we need ID to buy guns (2nd amendment right) if the Dems don’t want it in order to vote?
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Meanwhile, only a couple miles away in MD and VA there’s no vax requirements to buy anything. This is gonna kill businesses in DC, which is fine - they elected Muriel Bowser as Emperor
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Because they're saying that minorities are too stupid and too poor to get IDs, but they don't realize that's actually an insult to minorities
Democrats in the United States are against laws that require a picture ID to vote because they claim it's a racist law and discriminates against minorities. They claim that minorities do not have the resources to obtain government ID, therefore the laws are designed to prevent them from voting.
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