Should voter ID be required to vote in Federal elections?

[888theGreat]

It has nothing to do with race because white be have to show ID too

yes , you have to have ID to fly, open bank account, and buy tobacco, alcohol and drive.

no, I like the idea of voter fraud

[Bratsondanielle]

That would stop dead people from voting but it wouldn't change the voting machines democrat function

[Sixgunsound]

Voter ID and hardcopy paper ballot that you have to do while physically present and sign for your ballot in front of at least one witness from each party before you can cast your ballot. We impose these restrictions on Third World regimes which we provide election security for because we know how corrupt they are, but we can’t get that same kind of anti-corruption protection at home? BS!

[Bratsondanielle]

@Sixgunsound the democrats don't want it thou. Then they can ndver "win " . But would be interesting to see the results of a pure paper ballot election with ID. No machine or computer. No dead people voting...

[Bratsondanielle]

Thanks for mho

[StevieNix]

Since the dumbest human on the planet is the president, I'd say that voter ID is a good thing.

[Kenyazummo]

He got more votes than any other president in the history of the world 😆😆😆💖😄💖😄😄🇺🇲🇺🇲

[StevieNix]

There were 25 candidates on the stage, and the tard won.

[Sixgunsound]

@Kenyazummo the people pushing the cheat buttons or scanning the fake ballots multiple times inserted so many fake votes that it is beyond mathematically impossible. So far beyond that it’s obvious they don’t even feel the need to pretend he is legitimate anymore.

[Bratsondanielle]

@Sixgunsound everyone with half a brain can see that. The Biden "rallies" were 5 or 6 people and trump had airports full. To say biden won -- and the most votes of any president ever... is just insane.

[StevieNix]

@Bratsondanielle

If there isn't a red wave in November, America is finished.

[Bratsondanielle]

You got that right.

[loveslongnails]

ID's are fine, so long as they are easy to access under ALL circumstances, for ALL individuals -- which they are not. They're only necessary if no other form of acceptable ID is available. Certain states run by a certain political party make it very difficult for "certain groups" to get ID's, and this is done intentionally. Of course, the poster doesn't believe that occurs, but that doesn't stop it from happening.

The typical comparisons made above are just bullshit strawmen. It "sounds good" to the mob mentality. That's not to say the requirements for each of those need to be debated because they don't make sense, but as an analogy to voting, the comparisons are irrelevant.

Driving is a privilege dependent on age and is subject to financial requirements, but not citizenry. Voting is a RIGHTalso dependent on age and citizenry but NOT subject to financial requirements. That's why even if a "voter's ID" is required, it should be FREE!! You should not have to pay a single fucking penny in order to vote, at any level.

But hey, keep those Fox News talking points flowing!

[ArtemisSilver]

Yes. That's what we do in Canada and nobody is storming parliament over election fraud.

We also send voter registration cards that you register to get when you file taxes, which you can also use.

There's also a vouching option for family or neighbors. You can only vote at your designated poll, and if you votes by mail you're not eligible to be on the local list, thus preventing duplicates.

No computer voting, it's all on paper, and can be overseen for fairness by a scrutineer for each party at each poll.

All in all a much more reliable system, with no regional deviation.

Won't help if all the candidates are run by lobbyists and foreign interest groups though... ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

[WindAtMyBack]

I've been voting for over 40 years. I have voted in several cities in four different states. As far as I remember I have always had to show an ID. It just makes sense. I don't see how this can even be controversial.

Yea, I've heard the arguments against it and they are lame as hell. It's just another excuse for people to whine. If someone can't put in the effort to get an ID and renew it once very four years, then that's on them.

[goaded]

Yes, provided there are mechanisms for poor people to afford it, like making it freely and locally available at times when people aren't at work.

It's not a bad idea in itself, although basically unnecessary, since in-person voter fraud is vanishingly rare. it is, though when it's used as a way to reduce the turnout of people likely to vote against your ruling party.

And, yes, reducing turn out among poor people does more negatively affect non-white people, since poverty among those groups is double the rate among white people.

[Avicenna]

Are you aware of what a person, including a poor person, has to show in the US when hired for a job, opening a bank account, renting an apartment, boarding a plane, , entering a federal building, etc? And do health insurance cards in Germany have a Photo ID?

Also, does everyone with a photo ID vote?

[goaded]

@Avicenna No. Do tell me. Also, do you have to have a bank account to get a job? Do you have to fly? Do you have to enter federal buildings? Are health insurance cards "government issued" (the requirement to vote in many states)?

Do you have the right to fly? Do you have the right to enter federal buildings? Do you have the right to vote?

If you're unemployed in Germany, you can apply for free government ID in your local town.

[Avicenna]

So then why aren't you simply calling for free government IDs? That would solve the problem. But instead you call for allowing people to vote without checking any ID whatsoever although the vast majority of people have one and they're needed in so many parts of daily life.

But it speaks volumes that you are completely uninterested in the lives of these people outside of them voting. What do you want these people to do? Live in the woods eating wild plants? Why do you want to keep them from entering federal buildings?

-Government-issued photo ID is required to get a job
-Government-issued photo ID is required to get married
-Government-issued photo ID is required to open a bank account (if you don't think one is necessary, close all of yours and see how you like life and who's going to issue you a paper paycheck)
-Gopvernment-issued photo ID is required in some places to receive welfare benefits (you don't want people to starve and be homeless, right?)

And freedom of movement is a human right. Then again, lockdown-loving leftists don't want people deciding anything for themselves.

Health insurance cards have a photo on them in Germany to... wait for it... prevent fraud. But you know that already.

Do you think that someone should be able to buy a firearm without showing a government-issued photo ID? Of course you don't.

[goaded]

@Avicenna That's not the question. The question is why aren't Republicans calling for them? They want ID to stop one in a couple-of-million fraud cases, so why aren't they finding ways that can't possibly be called bigoted or attempting to increase their share of the vote?

"But instead you call for allowing people to vote without checking any ID whatsoever"
Wow. Do you always prove yourself a liar so quickly? I said: "It's not a bad idea in itself"

[Avicenna]

As usual, goaded, you're lying about everything.

Even if your claims about the rarity of voter fraud were accurate, the integrity of an election must be maintained by having procedures such as Voter ID to prevent cheating from occurring.

So we have the usual false claims of 'bigotry" since there is no reason not to require Voter ID. Such claims should be ignored as they are fraudulent, but as poll results show, people of all races support Voter ID. So your false claims go up in smoke (as usual). It's also false to claim that Voter ID prevents people from voting- many people do not want to vote even if they're registered to vote.

People need a photo ID to take part in everyday life. Let's get those an ID who truly can't afford one rather than creating loopholes for election fraud.

[goaded]

@Avicenna "Let's get those an ID who truly can't afford one" That's exactly what I said. And it's exactly what the Republicans who introduced these laws didn't want. That was, what, a decade ago? It served its purpose, this cycle the emphasis is back on gerrymandering (with a SCOTUS that won't stop it), and the ability for Republican legislatures to simply declare without evidence that they don't believe counties' results and ignore them (ditto).

[Avicenna]

You keep tossing out nonsense hoping it will stick. No one believes what any European leftist propagandizes about Republicans' intent. And then you keep jumping from one piece of nonsense to another.

State legislatures make the election laws. That was seriously violated by Democrats in 2020. How about at least respecting the process and not pulling stunts like private funding of elections and privatizing election oversight.

Voter ID and gerrymandering (something both parties do) are separate issues. What you willfully fail to acknowledge is that neither party wants to respect the consent of the governed. The reason it's worse on the Democrats' side is that they are the initiators of the bad policies and control the bureaucracy where policy is actually carried out.

[goaded]

@Avicenna Whatever.

[Anonymous]

This is from a show that aired long before a poor looser who wasn't taught the word "no" as a child tried to undermine and then overthrow a legitimate election using the target than diamonds in a trash can excuse.

His BIG LIE is an Insult to the sibs and daughters of the American revolution who have protected and secured our elections for over two hundred years including myself and my family.

With ZERO PROF. The enemies of democracy have spread this obscene and dangerous LIE.



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[Kenyazummo]

Lol 😆

[goaded]

@Kenyazummo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_-Q8L4l788 (It's probably only me that can't see the video, just a link, but here it is.)

[Curmudgeon]

You mean like the Hillary Clinton people did in 2016?

[Opinion Owner]

@Curmudgeon whataboutism is an old propaganda tool typical of Russian (trumps bff Putin)

[goaded]

@Curmudgeon No, not at all like that because she conceded a couple of days after the election.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Yes. People manage to find all their needed information, paperwork, documentation, birth certificate, social security card, and everything else under the sun when it comes to getting student loans, motor vehicles, various insurances, mortgages, residences, filing for bankruptcy, disability, unemployment, food stamps, and all other sorts of government financial aid and assistance. Yet somehow the task becomes impossible when it comes to getting a voter identification card? Yeah right.

[Soteris]

No. There has never been a demonstrated need for them and in contrary it has been demonstrated again and again and again that it gets in the way of democracy as well as racially target people AKA its fundamentally racist.

So no. Its a stupid idea to even consider. If it ain't broke, dont fucking fix it.

[888theGreat]

it would only be racist if black people had to show it and not white people. You are a fool and idiot.

[Soteris]

No. The whole basis of racial profiling is that you can identify certain differences between races. For example the behavior and access to photo ID. If one group has significantly less then you can racially target this group of people through a general application.

For example, I could funnel billions of dollars to black people by simply passing a law that gave poor people billions of dollars. Why? Because black people are more often poor meaning its a fairly easy way to single them out as a group.

You know this however. You just pretend to not understand racial profiling because you are trying to white wash photo ID laws, to make them appear normal and innocent when you know that they target race.

But you know what, let me help you since you got such pure intentions. Change the law so that bank cards are required to follow photo ID requirements and be free of charge. There, you get your precious photo ID and everyone can use it. Happy?

[Avicenna]

Soteris, you are a European leftist ideologue who hates the US and does not understand it. Is there any US court ruling or statutory law that supports your claim of Voter ID being racial profiling, much less unconstitutional? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it’s a useless without a legal basis.

Also, what is the polling breakdown by race on Voter ID laws in the US?

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Maybe its your American Republican brain misfiring again but I never once mentioned the constitutionality of any of this nor approached this from a legal point of view. I could, there are legal cases and supreme court opinions regarding it as well as a fair argument to be made for photo ID laws being similar to tests for elections in which case there is established precedents against it such as literacy tests for the right to vote which is another splendid example of a racist law pretending to be "fair" while in reality targeted African Americans for their lower rate of literacy.

But all that is honestly not very persuasive in my opinion as the legal system in USA which interprets and applies the law is hardly the least biased not to mention corrupt. As such I prefer a more logical approach to this that is not blocked by an institution which has an incredibly unreliable history of "truth".

For example, if we examine the claim that photo ID laws are vital for election security we have two obvious questions. Is election security truly under threat and will this provide a solution?

The fact that elections in USA is very secure and that these laws has no chance of succeeding is plenty enough evidence that this was never actually a case of increasing election security but has ulterior motives. Thus I present the racial issue with these laws as to expose these ulterior motives and quite frankly its not even like they are hiding it at this point.

[Sixgunsound]

If it works for almost the entire rest of the planet, there’s no reason why it couldn’t work here. Only an elitist who hated the people that they overtly and covertly state are too stupid or incompetent to get ID’s to vote with could suggest such a thing. Kipling would be proud to see his legacy carried on via the soft bigotry of low expectations inherent in the Left’s perpetuation of the smug superiority of the ‘White Democrat’s burden’.

[Bratsondanielle]

I have friends from all around the globe, and especially the more civilized countries can't believe how we vote here in the USA. My friend from Denmark 🇩🇰 and I were talking about it at my 4th of July party. In Denmark every citizen gets a card in the mail prior to elections. They are told where to vote. They go down with the card and identification and the employee has a list of the people voting there. He checks the card and I'd and manually with a pen crosses out the name on the list. They get a paper to vote on. They are counted many times by different people and if the results don't match it's all recounted. I know the argument will be "Denmark is a small country " but it doesn't matter. If they can so can we.

[Sixgunsound]

@Bratsondanielle there are plenty of people who would volunteer to count ballots and can pass a background check that they would pay for. It would only cost corrupt politicians their kickbacks and favors and soft money, not the government itself. That’s how you know it would never happen. Almost nobody goes into political power for reasons besides greater ability to steal from others or to protect what they already have.

[Bratsondanielle]

You talking about hunter's position on the Ukraine gas company? 😆😆 but yes you are absolutely right. by the way you never told me if most people get sick constantly when starting to work at a hospital then later on they don't?

[Sixgunsound]

@Bratsondanielle surprisingly at the hospital no, but when I first got to my submarine it was about a month of occasionally exploding out both ends until I adapted. Happens to most people so the Navy expects it.

[Bratsondanielle]

Until your immune system gets up to speed yes !! When east German went to west Germany after the Wall "fell" (it got smashed to bits) nothing happened. When west Germans went to east Germany they got sick as a dog. Romanian and Thai people can go to Sweden and nothing happens. Swedes go there and boom: toilet duty!! Immune systems you see. That's why when I'm sick (very rarely) it makes me so happy because my inner army of warriors are getting trained like the talliban after biden took office

[Sixgunsound]

@Bratsondanielle ha🤣 . I’ve had two posts taken down so far today! Woot! Somebody’s getting a little butt hurt and it’s awesome!!!

[Bratsondanielle]

It's so irritating. I had that happen. Then my account got frozen constantly. Block some of the newest followers... imma check your profile later and see if I see any suspicious. Right now I gotta go an hour

[HighValue]

All elections should be required to be in person, have ID, scan their ID with the barcode on the back, and physically feed their own ballot into the machine themselves. All polling places should also have cameras recording all votes so any in question can be verified and the video is required to be saved unedited for at least two following election cycles.

[Anonymous]

I love how Democrats think black folk are too poor or uneducated to figure out how to get a drivers license or state ID...

... But it’s the Republicans who are the racists.

Makes sense 🤷‍♂️

[mike5150]

You need an ID for almost everything but deciding who the president or who will have say over the country are. There is no harm in asking someone for ID for such an important thing.

[Guy13]

Absolutely but it never will. Our only hope is the minorities like Hispanics surprise the Left.-they vote economy. Asians mostly vote conservative. It is the women and their hate that is the issue...

[Avicenna]

You don’t have reliable election results without Voter ID (among other things).

[Kenyazummo]

But how would the democrats win then? Besides the real voters doesn't matter. There's always more last minute mail ins or they can simply type up a new result in their voting machines

[Avicenna]

@Kenyazummo: That's a good point.

[Anonymous]

What's the point? The US has some of the least instances of voter fraud in the world at 0.00006% nationally and 0.000004% at the state level. That's 5 times less likely than getting struck by lightning in the US. Adding more checks for people to vote only makes it harder to vote when we should be making it as easy as possible for people to vote.

*drops mic*

[Curmudgeon]

Sez you. Using COVID as a pretext, traditional voter fraud safeguards were cast aside. These safeguards included:
1. People mostly voting at polling precinct places where they were registered already.
2. "Absentee" requests to vote by mail had to be made well in advance and were counted *first*, right after the polls closed, so as to prevent fabricating by mail votes after the polls closed.

Now?

1. We have "ballot harvesting" and "drop boxes", so when the news announces ballot results on election night, it is much easier for a candidate to start up a "vote farming" scheme.

2. We have same day registration, which, lacking a photo ID and cross checking among all precincts, makes it so easy to have voters casting votes in 2 or even multiple places.

3. We have ballots mailed out to each last known address, this in a nation where people move all the time.

Pick up your mic...

Voting by mail,

[Opinion Owner]

@Curmudgeon lulxd none of those so-called fraud measures have ever been substantiated in any real capacity. It's not says me it's says statistics. Almost everyone who votes in multiple counties or states gets caught. Please use statistics instead of just parroting what political talking heads spew as an excuse to make it more difficult for some folks to vote.

[douride2]

Absolutely yes voter ID should be required to vote.

[XXblack88]

Yes it should but I don't see that happening as long as democrats are in charge

[Sixgunsound]

Voter ID actually helps minorities that Democrats don’t think are competent or intelligent enough to get an ID. And by making sure that every vote was cashed by a human being that’s proving that historically disenfranchised peoples votes actually matter now, it would provide more motivation for those people to get out and have their voices heard. For evidence of this phenomenon and it’s success in practice I point to Georgia..

[Sixgunsound]

*cast

[joeldalton]

It’s a state decision, but yes. ID should be required.

[888theGreat]

Federal elections are not state

[Avicenna]

States administer federal elections and state legislatures make the election laws for federal elections.

[joeldalton]

@888thegreat do you want Pedo Pete deciding how your state votes? Didn’t think so.

[Avicenna]

Pedo Pere would let the rest of the world vote in US elections

[Kenyazummo]

Come on maaan... don't you want the democrats to have at least a small chance to win

[Pudsmucker]

I think for her ideas most important. Shows proof you are a U. S. citizen.

[Fireguy17]

In all elections, even local ones.

[Cubus]

Why not?