Feminism basically. I dont think social media is contributing as much as you think. The problem is even anti feminists have adopted feminist values. Ie women should go to college and have a career. Thats feminism. And those personal choices one makes shapes their entire life and promotes whatever ideology that it supports.
Because we pushed the idea that in order for women to be strong and independent men needed to be weaker to accomplish this. And then that's what happened.
Hey, let them do their thing because someday, they will have to become leaders, and then they will become real men! They're just doing the Clark Kent/Superman thing!
You don't have to worry. The same man that cried in front of his girl can go to war and be an amazing soldier. People are not one dimensional. You can share you emotions and be perfectly capable of pure violence when the situation requests it.
A guy who feels easy is a guy who loves easy. A guy who doesn't feel easy is a guy who only loves himself. The supposed tough guy to leave me behind in the battlefield and to save his own ass at any moment. The other guy won't exactly because what he feels won't let him. Both can stand side to side at war holding a gun. I trust both for that. But I only trust one to actually be my comrade.
And that's where you're wrong. Part of being tough is standing up for others and not being a dickhead. That can be in school, in the workplace or even in the battlefield. Better believe if you have one tough son of a gun in the team that he WILL have your back.
If I know that he has my back than at some point he proved to me that he would. Otherwise what do I have that tells me that? But like I said people are not one dimensional. The 100% tough guy has a higher chance to be egocentric and the 100% soft guy has a higher chance to be a coward. Neither will help me in war. I want someone in the middle.
Lots of reasons. Missing parents, separated parents, less testosterones because of lees meat chemicals in our environment and food,
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Soy and feminism.. Not kidding they recently did a test at buzz feed, they tested all of the males that work there.. They all tested dangerously low on testosterone. The further left a man leans the lower T he has in his body..
Dude. Drop the insulting tone. I'm not your buddy, nor am I stupid. Next comment if it's not an apology, will be deleted, you will be reported and blocked.
@FýrdracaDócincel Alright there buddy, calm down. You are entitled to your opinion, and so is everyone else. However, I will not allow any further abuse in this thread. You have been warned.
I've been doing this shit here for years and I've yet to have anything happen to me other than little pieces of garbage getting my comments removed because I'm superior to everyone here.
@FýrdracaDócincel Listen here, and you better listen real good. I'm not your friend, and I don't give a damn what kind of stuff you must be on to say all the dumb shit you are saying to everyone else. If you continue with your stupidity, I PROMISE YOU I will make it my mission to make you regret all of it. I'm not blocking you, because that's the easy way out. If you want to go to war, better be prepared.
Be a real man and kill me with your fucking mind. Feel the magick testosterone flowing through you.. feel the "power" it gives you to wage war via INTERNET.
You're a pussy.. you're an emotional, neurotic little piece of bitch shit who's preaching some nonsense "masculinity" so that daddy will finally love your retarded ass.
Listen aNd lIsTeN gOoD BUDDY, if you're gonna talk like this, you could have accomplished the same thing by walking up to the nearest old man and ask if you can secretly suck his dick.
Yet here you are crying to me like a screaming beaten child in a corner.
So take MY advice.. be a good little edgelord and stop talking for the rest of your fucking life
@FýrdracaDócincel Coming from you, that has got to be the funniest shit I have ever read. You are pathetic. You go around trolling people looking for a reaction. You don't have anything better to do other than write stupid bs on the internet. It seems to me like you're the one with a lot to prove, since you ask people to reply to you all the time. You want my attention? You got it. Sounds to me like a pussy that jerks off with one hand while he writes down with the other, in your mom's basement. Since we're on the topic of masculinity, let me ask you a question. In your 24 years of living, have you ever known what a man is? You have the profile picture of a queer, you talk like a ratchet chick that's throwing a tantrum, and your name has "incel" in it. I mean really? Just because you throw some cuss words in there and tell people to shut up doesn't mean a damn thing. Maybe you should take your own advice.
No way in fuck I'm reading all of that but I did catch something I'm addressing right the fuck now.
I don't "troll." I tell people exactly what they need to fucking hear. How I treat you is entirely EVERYTHING to do with your worth as a fucking person and what I expect from you.
If I treat you like shit, it's because your existence is shit and you should be dead.
How I talk to your fuckin ass is 100% your fucking fault.
Now are you gonna man the fuck up and make me regret the consequences of your fucking actions or are you gonna continue to be able to do NOTHING?
Let me make something very clear: I do not support physical assault in any way, shape or form of anyone exercising their right to anything. However, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Does that make sense? You can eat a burger, but you will gain weight. You can skip workouts, but you won't be healthy. If you as the individual aren't masculine and more individuals think like you, on a collective the group will suffer. Like I said, life is unpredictable and unexpected events can take place. We we're really close to world war 3 just 2 years ago, and the pandemic is another example of how easy times can turn into tough times. It's better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardner in a war.
My decision to wear a skirt and lipstick doesn't impact anyone. I can act in a feminine manner if I want to. I don't care if anyone thinks I "shouldn't" do it. I can do whatever the fuck I want, and I don't give a damn what others think. Society won't crumble because I choose to do what I want and be who I am.
Society doesn't crumble if you 1 dude Mr. awkward_author decide to do what you want to do, that's correct. That's why individual freedom exists. However, unfortunately there is an entire movement and an agenda based on demonizing traditional men, and that's where it becomes an issue. If we were to take away all the creators, innovators, hard labor workers and truck drivers ahuge portion of society will collapse. Who is going to replace them? The soft guys who don't like to exercise because it's "fatphobic"? They will have to toughen up if they wanted to take over that role, contradicting themselves in the process.
There are people who don't exercise because it's fatphobic? Also, what even is fatphobia? I feel like people are just letting guys know there's nothing wrong with being feminine. Masculine men are completely fine as well. I wouldn't, necessarily, consider myself effeminite, but I enjoy engaging in feminine stuff sometimes.
Fatphobia was created by woke feminists to try to shame men into dating fat women. Basically, rather than them doing the work to slim down, you have to lower your standards to accept them. If a woke dude applies the same idea of fatphobia, he would be considered the joke of the century. I understand what individual freedoms are, trust me. It's just that when you start to see a decline in testosterone levels, and new social trends that are far from the norm, that's when you see that something is wrong, you know? It's kinda like zooming outside for a second. A lot of dudes today can't even defend themselves in a fight, let alone protect a woman. That's one of the many things that needs to be worked on in my opinion, and if we are to improve then we have to be honest with ourselves.
I get that, though I think it's a positive thing for men to accept the feminine aspects of our personality and/or attributes. At the same time, I also feel like certain traits are associated with femininity when they shouldn't be. For example, a lot of people view empathy as an inherently feminine trait. However, it's also important for an individual to possess if they're going to be part of a society in general. I also think it's possible to be feminine in certain ways without completely disregarding masculinity. With your points, it might be that we're "doing a 180" instead of supporting the freedom to choose in general and acknowledging that gender expression is complex.
Empathy and kindness are NOT feminine qualities. You don't have to be rude to people to be masculine. Masculinity is a way of life, it's in your instincts. I don't believe in the gender fluidity crap, I believe that men should be men and women should be women. When times are tough, who would you look towards to take action and leadership? If you're falling off a cliff, and there's a man and a woman both offering to pull you up, who's hand are you taking? The man will pull you up, the woman will most likely fall with you off the cliff because you're heavier and she's not as strong, and that's why you will pick the dude to save your life. The point in all of this is that strong men are needed in society, without them there is no society. Being motivated and being stoic and rigid aren't bad qualities to have and should be encouraged. The problem is that this issue is becoming a trend, and more and more men are believing this crap, so the future will not be as bright as it is said to be because laying your guard down can be a deadly mistake.
There’s a difference between gender and gender expression. Men don’t have to rough house to be men. In different parts of society, empathy is seen as a feminine trait. That was the case with the community I was brought up in. Expressing empathy and any emotion as a male was seen as weak. Society can exist without strict gender roles. I feel like choice is important. I don’t understand how forcing people to be either hypermasculine or hyperfeminine helps society. Why not let people choose how they want to express themselves?
Like I told you, empathy is NOT FEMININE. Empathy means you give a shit about people. Cool, right? The world would actually be a better place for one because of that. Being masculine doesn't mean you're a mean asshole to people, it means you can stand up when everyone else is sitting down. You set the standard, you control the volume in the room. You have leadership and are capable of uplifting those around you. THAT'S what masculinity is, not going around whooping people. Being stoic, being assertive and competitive are also masculine traits. Being brave and able to take what life throws at you. All of this is needed in today's men. It's not hypermaculine, it's just masculine. That's the standard, and it ain't too high if people actually try.
Women can have those traits as well. It's not just men. Also, having feminine traits doesn't mean you're not masculine in other ways. Men aren't completely abandoning that. We're just embracing the parts of us that are feminine.
Because today it is forbidden to grow up. Those who grow up are no longer a voracious consumer. There are no effeminate men. But there are teenagers who are actually children. Adults, on the other hand, are eternal teenagers.
Good times make men weak. Gen Z and Millennials depending on the region of the world grew up in prosperity and privileged which causes humans to become complacent and weak.
I already knew about soy and garlic, but a lot of the ones listed a re naturally occurring elements like veggies, nuts, alcohol (maybe not naturally occurring) and so on. They don't have estrogen added to them, so an argument can be made that these foods would still have the same amount of estrogen now as they have had back then. However, the change is with processed foods, cereals and breads that were probably unavailable more than a century ago (bread was there since forever, not cereal).
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Feminism basically. I dont think social media is contributing as much as you think. The problem is even anti feminists have adopted feminist values. Ie women should go to college and have a career. Thats feminism. And those personal choices one makes shapes their entire life and promotes whatever ideology that it supports.
Because we pushed the idea that in order for women to be strong and independent men needed to be weaker to accomplish this. And then that's what happened.
Hey, let them do their thing because someday, they will have to become leaders, and then they will become real men! They're just doing the Clark Kent/Superman thing!
No such thing as masculinity/femininity.
But at least there is toxic masculinity 😂
Make it make sense
You don't have to worry. The same man that cried in front of his girl can go to war and be an amazing soldier.
People are not one dimensional. You can share you emotions and be perfectly capable of pure violence when the situation requests it.
Yes, that's a possibility. I'm not concerned with possibility, I'm concerned with PROBABILITY. Who's more likely to? That's the argument.
A guy who feels easy is a guy who loves easy. A guy who doesn't feel easy is a guy who only loves himself.
The supposed tough guy to leave me behind in the battlefield and to save his own ass at any moment. The other guy won't exactly because what he feels won't let him.
Both can stand side to side at war holding a gun. I trust both for that. But I only trust one to actually be my comrade.
And that's where you're wrong. Part of being tough is standing up for others and not being a dickhead. That can be in school, in the workplace or even in the battlefield. Better believe if you have one tough son of a gun in the team that he WILL have your back.
If I know that he has my back than at some point he proved to me that he would. Otherwise what do I have that tells me that?
But like I said people are not one dimensional. The 100% tough guy has a higher chance to be egocentric and the 100% soft guy has a higher chance to be a coward. Neither will help me in war.
I want someone in the middle.
Men are the same as ever. We're just a lot more tolerant of men showing emotion than we used to be. That's a good thing.
Lots of reasons. Missing parents, separated parents, less testosterones because of lees meat chemicals in our environment and food,
Soy and feminism.. Not kidding they recently did a test at buzz feed, they tested all of the males that work there.. They all tested dangerously low on testosterone. The further left a man leans the lower T he has in his body..
Testosterone isn't magic.
@FýrdracaDócincel No but low T is responsible for a vast majority of pussified males.
Dude. Drop the insulting tone. I'm not your buddy, nor am I stupid. Next comment if it's not an apology, will be deleted, you will be reported and blocked.
And just like that your comments are gone worthless piece of shit.
@FýrdracaDócincel Alright there buddy, calm down. You are entitled to your opinion, and so is everyone else. However, I will not allow any further abuse in this thread. You have been warned.
Fuck you m8.
I've been doing this shit here for years and I've yet to have anything happen to me other than little pieces of garbage getting my comments removed because I'm superior to everyone here.
@FýrdracaDócincel "Superior to anyone here". I tried to warn you, but you never listen. You will suffer the consequences.
It was "everyone here" dumbass. Get literate.
@FýrdracaDócincel Listen here, and you better listen real good. I'm not your friend, and I don't give a damn what kind of stuff you must be on to say all the dumb shit you are saying to everyone else. If you continue with your stupidity, I PROMISE YOU I will make it my mission to make you regret all of it. I'm not blocking you, because that's the easy way out. If you want to go to war, better be prepared.
Oh yeah buddy.
Be a real man and kill me with your fucking mind. Feel the magick testosterone flowing through you.. feel the "power" it gives you to wage war via INTERNET.
You're a pussy.. you're an emotional, neurotic little piece of bitch shit who's preaching some nonsense "masculinity" so that daddy will finally love your retarded ass.
Listen aNd lIsTeN gOoD BUDDY, if you're gonna talk like this, you could have accomplished the same thing by walking up to the nearest old man and ask if you can secretly suck his dick.
Yet here you are crying to me like a screaming beaten child in a corner.
So take MY advice.. be a good little edgelord and stop talking for the rest of your fucking life
@FýrdracaDócincel Coming from you, that has got to be the funniest shit I have ever read. You are pathetic. You go around trolling people looking for a reaction. You don't have anything better to do other than write stupid bs on the internet. It seems to me like you're the one with a lot to prove, since you ask people to reply to you all the time. You want my attention? You got it. Sounds to me like a pussy that jerks off with one hand while he writes down with the other, in your mom's basement. Since we're on the topic of masculinity, let me ask you a question. In your 24 years of living, have you ever known what a man is? You have the profile picture of a queer, you talk like a ratchet chick that's throwing a tantrum, and your name has "incel" in it. I mean really? Just because you throw some cuss words in there and tell people to shut up doesn't mean a damn thing. Maybe you should take your own advice.
No way in fuck I'm reading all of that but I did catch something I'm addressing right the fuck now.
I don't "troll." I tell people exactly what they need to fucking hear. How I treat you is entirely EVERYTHING to do with your worth as a fucking person and what I expect from you.
If I treat you like shit, it's because your existence is shit and you should be dead.
How I talk to your fuckin ass is 100% your fucking fault.
Now are you gonna man the fuck up and make me regret the consequences of your fucking actions or are you gonna continue to be able to do NOTHING?
@FýrdracaDócincel Yeah, I ain't reading that essay either fam. Go sleep homie, seems like you need it.
I think they're "so effeminate" because they can behave and/or dress in that manner without feeling extremely unsafe.
Unsafe in what way exactly? Under what context?
They're not (or at least less) afraid of being harassed and beaten up.
Let me make something very clear: I do not support physical assault in any way, shape or form of anyone exercising their right to anything. However, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Does that make sense? You can eat a burger, but you will gain weight. You can skip workouts, but you won't be healthy. If you as the individual aren't masculine and more individuals think like you, on a collective the group will suffer. Like I said, life is unpredictable and unexpected events can take place. We we're really close to world war 3 just 2 years ago, and the pandemic is another example of how easy times can turn into tough times. It's better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardner in a war.
My decision to wear a skirt and lipstick doesn't impact anyone. I can act in a feminine manner if I want to. I don't care if anyone thinks I "shouldn't" do it. I can do whatever the fuck I want, and I don't give a damn what others think. Society won't crumble because I choose to do what I want and be who I am.
Society doesn't crumble if you 1 dude Mr. awkward_author decide to do what you want to do, that's correct. That's why individual freedom exists. However, unfortunately there is an entire movement and an agenda based on demonizing traditional men, and that's where it becomes an issue. If we were to take away all the creators, innovators, hard labor workers and truck drivers ahuge portion of society will collapse. Who is going to replace them? The soft guys who don't like to exercise because it's "fatphobic"? They will have to toughen up if they wanted to take over that role, contradicting themselves in the process.
There are people who don't exercise because it's fatphobic? Also, what even is fatphobia? I feel like people are just letting guys know there's nothing wrong with being feminine. Masculine men are completely fine as well. I wouldn't, necessarily, consider myself effeminite, but I enjoy engaging in feminine stuff sometimes.
Fatphobia was created by woke feminists to try to shame men into dating fat women. Basically, rather than them doing the work to slim down, you have to lower your standards to accept them. If a woke dude applies the same idea of fatphobia, he would be considered the joke of the century. I understand what individual freedoms are, trust me. It's just that when you start to see a decline in testosterone levels, and new social trends that are far from the norm, that's when you see that something is wrong, you know? It's kinda like zooming outside for a second. A lot of dudes today can't even defend themselves in a fight, let alone protect a woman. That's one of the many things that needs to be worked on in my opinion, and if we are to improve then we have to be honest with ourselves.
I get that, though I think it's a positive thing for men to accept the feminine aspects of our personality and/or attributes. At the same time, I also feel like certain traits are associated with femininity when they shouldn't be. For example, a lot of people view empathy as an inherently feminine trait. However, it's also important for an individual to possess if they're going to be part of a society in general. I also think it's possible to be feminine in certain ways without completely disregarding masculinity. With your points, it might be that we're "doing a 180" instead of supporting the freedom to choose in general and acknowledging that gender expression is complex.
Empathy and kindness are NOT feminine qualities. You don't have to be rude to people to be masculine. Masculinity is a way of life, it's in your instincts. I don't believe in the gender fluidity crap, I believe that men should be men and women should be women. When times are tough, who would you look towards to take action and leadership? If you're falling off a cliff, and there's a man and a woman both offering to pull you up, who's hand are you taking? The man will pull you up, the woman will most likely fall with you off the cliff because you're heavier and she's not as strong, and that's why you will pick the dude to save your life. The point in all of this is that strong men are needed in society, without them there is no society. Being motivated and being stoic and rigid aren't bad qualities to have and should be encouraged. The problem is that this issue is becoming a trend, and more and more men are believing this crap, so the future will not be as bright as it is said to be because laying your guard down can be a deadly mistake.
There’s a difference between gender and gender expression. Men don’t have to rough house to be men. In different parts of society, empathy is seen as a feminine trait. That was the case with the community I was brought up in. Expressing empathy and any emotion as a male was seen as weak. Society can exist without strict gender roles. I feel like choice is important. I don’t understand how forcing people to be either hypermasculine or hyperfeminine helps society. Why not let people choose how they want to express themselves?
Like I told you, empathy is NOT FEMININE. Empathy means you give a shit about people. Cool, right? The world would actually be a better place for one because of that. Being masculine doesn't mean you're a mean asshole to people, it means you can stand up when everyone else is sitting down. You set the standard, you control the volume in the room. You have leadership and are capable of uplifting those around you. THAT'S what masculinity is, not going around whooping people. Being stoic, being assertive and competitive are also masculine traits. Being brave and able to take what life throws at you. All of this is needed in today's men. It's not hypermaculine, it's just masculine. That's the standard, and it ain't too high if people actually try.
Women can have those traits as well. It's not just men. Also, having feminine traits doesn't mean you're not masculine in other ways. Men aren't completely abandoning that. We're just embracing the parts of us that are feminine.
Bring back the handymen, Hairy men, Bold men.
Amen to that
If "bold men" did come back, you'd be bitching about them being "obnoxious."
Have you tried shutting up?
Because today it is forbidden to grow up. Those who grow up are no longer a voracious consumer. There are no effeminate men. But there are teenagers who are actually children. Adults, on the other hand, are eternal teenagers.
Good times make men weak. Gen Z and Millennials depending on the region of the world grew up in prosperity and privileged which causes humans to become complacent and weak.
Because masculinity is a bad thing according to feminists.
Food has much higher estrogen in it today.
True that. Didn't know about the food thing, I'm gonna fact-check.
Here a good site to start
mentalhealthdaily.com/.../
I already knew about soy and garlic, but a lot of the ones listed a re naturally occurring elements like veggies, nuts, alcohol (maybe not naturally occurring) and so on. They don't have estrogen added to them, so an argument can be made that these foods would still have the same amount of estrogen now as they have had back then. However, the change is with processed foods, cereals and breads that were probably unavailable more than a century ago (bread was there since forever, not cereal).
Because of single motherhood and female influence over them in a gynocentric society
It's toxic masculinity... until someone needs protecting, providing, or fighting...
I don't think anyone calls any of that toxic.
Because they've been told that being a ma. Is toxic and oppresive and whatnot
I don't know, but if I were to blame something, it would be: decreased testosterone in men and the influence of feminism
LOL! They drank too deeply from the Well of Woke-tard-ary!
I don't know but I hate it. I prefer manly men
What's a generation z man?