What is freedom?

[supercutebutt]

What is "freedom"? VOTE below!

Everyday now I see a group of dunderheads trying to crash society in the name of "freedom." But how is that freedom? What if you had to get your child to the hospital but a patriotic "freedom fighter" is blocking the road to that hospital? If people don't like the rules where they work, they are free to leave and either find another job or create a job for themselves. Why does society have to give in to the stubborn and stupid? I once had a job that I disliked. I didn't burn down the building or block the driveway with a giant truck. I quit and found another job.

Freedom means that when you don't like something at your job, you try and destroy society by taking away everybody else's freedom.

Freedom means that if you don't like something at your job, you are free to leave that job and find another one that suits you better.

[purplepoppy]

It's something that people who are unwilling or unable to adapt to societies rules yell when their behavior or views are challenged. Want to marry a goat? Goberment won't let you? Start yelling freedom.
The main reason people have freedoms isn't because of some historical document or even laws of time immorial but because they can't be bothered to police it.

[3o43o4]

You just a sluty conformist. U have nothing to other, except 3 holes, but those men with transparent you food and dildos.

[Dargil]

Freedom is also known as Liberty. Do anything you want within the law and not infringing on others' rights. And I do not have to restrain my Liberty because it COULD infringe on others. I am unvaxed and never will be vaxed. You are free to protect yourself from what could happen. Wear a body condom if you want.
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[msc545]

I guess when you drive drunk it's my responsibility to avoid driving near you?

[Dargil]

@msc545 That's where '"Do anything you want within the law and not infringing on others' rights." comes in. I never do it. It presents an unreasonable risk to other drivers and me as well. Part of Liberty is self restraint. The tiny death and infection rate of COVID indicates that it does not preset an unreasonable risk to people around me unmasked, outside.

[msc545]

Alleging wrong facts does not then give you license to endanger others. There is nothing tiny about the death, infection, or morbidity (you forgot to mention morbidity) rates of Covid, but even if that were true, so what? You cannot justify putting even a single person at risk for any of this for your own convenience.

[Dargil]

@msc545 not alleging anything. The death rate is minute.

[Dargil]

@msc545. Sure I can. I choose Liberty. Look after yourself. I have to look after myself.

[msc545]

"minute" is not zero. You have absolutely NO right to cause even one death.

[Sargentcaptain]

The truckers are just working class people fighting for their rights, and when it comes to people's freedoms being curbed, take that up with Trudeau. And given what the truckers are doing, peacefully protesting, they ain't done a tenth of the damage that the 'summer of love' did with all the 'mostly peaceful' BLM riots.

[supercutebutt]

Shutting down roads isn't peaceful. Wait till we find out how many people died because they couldn't get medical attention because a trucker was patriotically forcing his "freedom" to fuck innocent citizens over. All because he is afraid of a needle.

Do your jobs, you assholes.

[Sargentcaptain]

I agree that shutting down roads is shit, but it is peaceful and it's one of the most common protesting tactics, used by every political group ever. People are also losing their jobs, and they have a right to protest. I do think it would be great if the roads weren't cluttered, guess who could set that up, who could represent the people who possibly elected that Cuban bastard in the first place. It's not the truckers fault that the little spineless dickhead isn't doing jack shit, aside from labeling them all racists, god knows that's a brilliant tactic. And when it comes to the citizens getting fucked over, may I remind you that none of this would have happened if the little shit sitting in his ivory tower in fuck knows where wasn't passing laws that were fucking over the truckers, taking their jobs away just because they don't wanna take unproven medicine, from multibillion dollar corporations that won't even be liable for damages if, or when, the 'medicine' results in illness or death.

[supercutebutt]

Anti-vax truckers can find another job. I had to find another job when the conditions at my workplace no longer suited me. They are whiny babies. Governments and places of employment have rules. Follow them or get lost. :) It's your freedom to leave. It's not your freedom to fuck over the majority because you are an asshat.

[Sargentcaptain]

The definition of antivaxxer today is dogshit. 'Don't wanna take a new experimental drug? Linked to heart failure, all risks on you with governments around the world are forcing you to take it so that they will fucking *allow* you your basic human rights? Your health, spouse, kids be damned, even if we fucked up we ain't paying jack shit? You're an antivaxxer.'

"They are whiny babies."

Their rights are being taken away, they can protest and fight to keep their current jobs. Besides, would you be thrilled if you were happy with your career, made good money, had a job you liked thinking you'll be doing it for the rest of your life, when along comes a little shithead politician whos gonna take that job away from you, together with your current existence and your future, you can get fucked, and then some random internet dickheads are gonna be telling you that you're the bad guy for fighting to keep your career and that you can just go and do something else. And the little shithead politician will also call you racist for, peacefully protesting the government. Ain't it a funny world?

"I had to find another job when the conditions at my workplace no longer suited me."

Was the government barring you from doing it cause you didn't trust your bodily autonomy over to them?

On an unrelated note: Boy, I sure do wonder how people could ever have followed the orders of Mao, Hirohito or Hitler.

"Governments and places of employment have rules. Follow them or get lost."

"It's your freedom to leave."

Apparently it isn't. As it stands they don't have the right to leave, they ought to do it less the government gets real mad and send in the military... against peaceful protesters, what a time to be alive.

[supercutebutt]

The truckers aren't being forced to get vaccinated, by the way. They will need to be tested if they aren't vaxxed and want to cross the border. And if they don't like that, they can get another job or find a trucking job where they aren't required to cross the border. It's all whiny BS. They aren't heroes. They are assholes, pure and simple.

[Sargentcaptain]

"They will need to be tested if they aren't vaxxed and want to cross the border."

Try and doing that every day, see how much you like it.

"And if they don't like that, they can get another job or find a trucking job where they aren't required to cross the border. It's all whiny BS. They aren't heroes. They are assholes, pure and simple."

I didn't realize you're an empath. People fighting for their livelihoods are assholes, people who are taking their livelihoods away are what, heroes?

[supercutebutt]

I am a hero. I got vaxxed and I go to work every fucking day. :)
This whole thing where we make dummies into heroes (fuckhead, lazy truckers, 1/6 insurrectionists, liars about elections) is ruining the world.

[Sargentcaptain]

"I am a hero. I got vaxxed and I go to work every fucking day."

Going to work and getting a vaccine does not make you god damn hero.

"This whole thing where we make dummies into heroes"

Ironic.

"(fuckhead, lazy truckers, 1/6 insurrectionists, liars about elections) is ruining the world."

> people fighting for their livelihoods aren't heroes
> I'm a hero cuz I go to work and do as I'm told

[supercutebutt]

This is my last post to you.

Any trucker who can't follow the rules like the rest of us doesn't have to. They can quit and go up to the Northwest Territories and become an ice fisherman. OK? SWEET FREEDOM!

Case closed.

[Agape93]

Freedom is to live without bonds, or to live on your own terms

[supercutebutt]

And the truckers can do that by quitting their job.

[Agape93]

Huh? Truckers?

[Agape93]

Oh nvm. Agreed

[VikingWarLord]

Freedom is a PIPE-DREAM so long as we have CORRUPT government ruling over us with an Iron Fist.

We've had thousands of years of HISTORY showing us what corrupt bastards Rulers, Kings, Emperors and Governors are, yet people still to this day continue voting for these pieces of shit. History repeats even for those who know their history because they never learn, they're all dummb-asses!

[supercutebutt]

All this because you are a needle-fearing snowflake. LOL!

[VikingWarLord]

A snowflake is one who goes along with an agenda that's clearly being STAGED by mad scientists who OPENLY say the world is OVERPOPULATED. How fuuckin Low IQ you gotta be to think these same mad scientists want to CURE YOU? LOL You idiots will never learn, so please, go take your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, etc.. booster shots and put yourselves outta your misery. You're too stupid to share the same air as us intelligent people.

[supercutebutt]

Intelligent people like u & Meat Loaf?
LOL!!

[3o43o4]

You idiot, you are a puur conformist.
You like to get spanks from the gov right?
please stop thinking, you very low iq.
I didn't get sick for long time and covid is a goddamm flu.
You obese we don't care about you , need to die or stop voting. Especially women.

[supercutebutt]

What is your native language?

[3o43o4]

French

[VanillaSalt]

Neither… freedom is the ability to choose… both… with the opinions of every else as well… one could argue it’s a freedom to murder but we agreed murder bad. Rape and theft too…

[supercutebutt]

Yup. And crushing society is also a sin. These truckers can drop out of society if they don't like what it stands for.

[VanillaSalt]

Or you can drop out of society if you can’t control your people… Trudeau is an infective leader. It’s not just the truckers it’s also the communities and the people and the tow companies that are refusing to back down but I guess when 80% of the country goes against what you the minority wants that’s a sin.

Well I respond with just this… Fuck you.

[supercutebutt]

Nope. Majority rules. 90% of truckers are vaxxed. You can't cave to the stupid few. :) Canada is a democracy and you are an anarchist. Go live in the woods, dude.

[caitycat21]

I personally view Freedom as living a life free from coercive domination and having autonomy over ones existence

[supercutebutt]

I agree. So why would a trucker choose a job that has rules they don't like?

[caitycat21]

I think that’s the wrong question, the question that should be asked is why are these truckers in a position where they have a job that’s underpaying and overworking them?

[supercutebutt]

This is about vaccine mandates.
But if you are being underpaid, ask for a raise. If you still don't get one, find another job. That is freedom. :)

[caitycat21]

Those people are still being coerced by a media that profits off of misinformation and genuine fear of the for profit medical industry which makes millions off of death.

I wouldn’t consider that freedom

[supercutebutt]

So you believe that when people die of COVID, huge profits are being made? Well you are wrong. Profits are only made by keeping people alive.

[caitycat21]

When people die in general huge profits are made by funeral homes and hospitals, etc.

The healthcare industry is largely privatized and the costs of several life saving medicines aren’t regulated at all meaning big pharma absolutely prophets off of overpricing LIFE make good medical care a thing only the rich can enjoy.

As many as 18 million Americans can't afford their prescribed medications. 79 million Americans have problems paying medical bills or struggle with medical debt.

debt collectors hold $140 billion in medical debt, not including credit card balances and unpaid medical bills that haven't hit consumers' credit reports (50% of Americans have medical debt)

The privatized healthcare industry absolutely profits off of human suffering. They put a price tag on health, they put a price tag in well being, they’ve commodified human lives.

[caitycat21]

Also think about the SEVERAL big business form even more monopolies that are thriving during the pandemic making millions while small businesses get out competed.

Bosses are encouraging their workers to ignore their covid symptoms because it’s just how this rigged system works. There will always be stagnation, recessions, and pandemics.

It’s one of the many downfalls of our current global economic system

[supercutebutt]

Dead people can't pay taxes. Dead people can't buy things. Dead people can't live in assisted living facilities. Dead people can't gamble at casinos.

Your argument is seriously flawed.

[caitycat21]

Big businesses profit off of death. I’ve already explained why, you’re straw maning my position? I never said anything about dead people paying taxes or buying things.

You can’t just claim my arguments seriously flawed without even explaining what about the things I’m saying are apparently false?

I can even speak from experience. When my grandma died my family was left paying for medical bills that amounted up to half a million dollars and were still paying that money off. I’m not sure what you aren’t understanding

[supercutebutt]

Your argument is flawed because keeping grandma ALIVE is way more profitable than killing her. You can argue that whatever medicine she took didn't work but that doesn't support your argument that a greater profit was made because she is dead now.

[caitycat21]

I never said a greater profit is made? I said people are making a profit off of it.. and eitherway you do realize that putting expensive price tags on medicine people need to survive is essentially doing the same exact thing. Profiting off of death, they can’t not pay for it since if they don’t they’ll die.

[supercutebutt]

"Those people are still being coerced by a media that profits off of misinformation and genuine fear of the for profit medical industry which makes millions off of death."

"When people die in general huge profits are made by funeral homes and hospitals, etc."

Is someone else typing your opinions? Your argument is that death is profitable. And if people can't afford medicine, that is a different argument. No profit is being made off of people who can't afford to buy something. LESS profit is being made. So I agree that medical costs are too high. But I disagree that causing people to die is a good business model. It is the opposite.

[caitycat21]

It’s not really about what you disagree with. The reality is that we have people on the news telling people to go back to work and risk their lives for the economy. The issue is the disregard for human life, how replaceable humans are when humans are only treated like human beings depending on how much money they have.

Look how we treat homeless people, or how we treat people with mental illness.

[supercutebutt]

People can get vaxxed and go back to work and they will be safe. :)
I did it.

[caitycat21]

I’m not sure what that has to do with what I said

[DCooper]

What? All of a sudden you don't like a lockdown? Why? Because it's brought to them by people who actually work for a living, rather than a politician?

[supercutebutt]

The truckers aren't working. They are sitting on their asses, collecting free money, while I got vaccinated so I can go to work.

The truckers are assholes.

[DCooper]

Honk for freedom :D

[Redstang88]

Funny how people that have been graciously bullied and harassed for 2 years suddenly have a problem with it

[DaveToo]

In the flu pandemic, people that refused to be vaccinated were arrested, put in quarantine with others that refused the vaccine, and allowed to die from the disease. Feel free to want freedom, but don't let your freedom infect us with your disease.

[Meatunnel69]

I dont what whats going on in that bolshevik frozen hell scape called Canada but if truckers are willing to stop rolling without pay away from their families it must be damn important. Sorry you are mildly inconvenienced (not)

[supercutebutt]

They are being funded by right-wing activists. So they aren't sacrificing anything. They are literally getting paid to fuck over society and the supply chain.

[Meatunnel69]

Right wing, lol

[Meatunnel69]

Everything you liberals disagree with gets labeled as right wing and fascist

[supercutebutt]

You said fascist. I said right-wing. And it is. It's an Evangelical Christian group.

[Redstang88]

If I have to explain how wrong the governments actions have been in the past 2 years, it’s pointless to try

[supercutebutt]

You are obviously a doofus so you won't be able to explain it in any meaningful way. So save your energy.

[NewtoTheSouth]

Freedom is to the right what equality is to the left. Sometimes you have to restrict freedom to make the world a better place. Sometimes inequality makes the better places.

Diehards on both sides have difficulty grasping that.

[Jerre]

Freedom is the opportunity to go to the church of your choosing, freedom to protest, freedom to say what is on your mind, freedom to print and read what you want, freedom to what I am doing now

[supercutebutt]

Yup. I agree. Freedom isn't to burn down your city or to destroy the Capitol or to clog up the roads. That is anarchy.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

This is what Oxford says

[supercutebutt]

I want to know what YOU think. Can you think for yourself?

[TwoToTooTutu2]

To me Freedom is the universal right of man outlined by John Locke.

[msc545]

Freedom doesn't mean you are free to endanger others or simply do anything you want.

[jahaims]

Being able to do what you please as long as it isn't at the detriment of others.

[supercutebutt]

Right. So what the truckers are doing is complete bullshit that has nothing to do with "fereedom" and everything to do with being stubborn babies.

[driven159]

freedom is being able to do what you want to say what you want to say what you feel without being in the way of others but not much of that left anywhere

[OddBeMe]

Just like when BLM did it, I wasn’t supportive of it. I’m for peaceful agitation. But you need better tactics. I’d block the driveways of the CEOs vexing the truckers.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Freedom is having the ability to do what you want when you want. The right isn’t fighting for freedom. It’s fight for control.

[Anonymous]

When the government is taking control of something they don't own you fight. Because it's ''We the people'' Not ''We the government''. We pay them not the other way around. If we all stopped paying taxes they'd be unemployed so yeah. We fight for freedom from government opression

[supercutebutt]

If you don't like taxes, drop out of society. Society isn't for you. You can live in the woods or on the frozen tundra, where there are no roads.

[Opinion Owner]

that's not what the point I was making. And you know that.

[supercutebutt]

Your "point" is nonsensical though. To cross over a country's borders, there are rules. If you don't like those rules, you are free to not cross.

[Opinion Owner]

yeah. tell that to all those mexicans for me will ya

[supercutebutt]

Are you angry that unvaxxed Mexicans can come into the USA?

[Opinion Owner]

I'm just telling you to put your money where your mouth is.

[supercutebutt]

Nah. You are just an anonymous troll.

[Cringe]

Those retards in Ottawa don't know what freedom is

[_no_one_]

Freedom is chaos and unorder

[supercutebutt]

For an anarchist perhaps.

[_no_one_]

anarchy is an absolute disorder

[disgustingweebtrash]

Who pays you to post here?

[supercutebutt]

Your mom. She also pays me to wear a disgustingweebtrash mask while I piss my pants. She says it brings back fond memories of the days before she kicked you out of her basement.

[Naughtyboy71]

Joe Biden has destroyed everyone Freedom

[supercutebutt]

That is a lie.
I block liars (my freedom) so be careful with your next response.

[Kelly6]

Freedom is what Loki said in Avengers 1

[gingerwolf08]

option b

[legalboxers]

I chose (B)

[Tstrbrainer]

Second option