Is animal testing unethical?

[Cherry234]

[CrazyGirl2]

It depends… Usually, yes! However, a LOT of Rhesus monkey’s died to detect the “Rh factor in blood” and the amount of human lives that have been saved as a result, not just in blood transfusion, but in childbirth and pregnancy in preventing the mother’s body specifically her immune system from seeing the baby inside her as a foreign object/body that needs to be attacked! That is just ONE reason that it would be ethical to use animals to research things that will unequivocally save human lives! Did you get the Covid vaccine? Well THEY were ALL developed because of testing on “Humanized mice” which is a mouse carrying functioning human genes, cells, tissues and/or organs. Humanized mice are used in small animal models in biological and medical research for human vaccines and therapeutics.
When live animal testing is the only way to achieve the necessary medical outcome, I no moral or ethical issue issue with! However, using animals to test things like cosmetics… Blinding rabbits by putting drops of “concentrated perfume” in their eyes, is not only cruel and agonizing to the poor bunny, is absolute unnecessary cruel bullshit!”

[Cherry234]

@CrazyGirl2 I agree. It's wrong on so many levels to test unnecessary products on animals.

[CrazyGirl2]

Yes 👏🏼 Absolutely! Don’t get me wrong, I think using animals to test drugs, and things that save human life is wrong, but I do accept it as a necessary evil, but ONLY if it is to save human life!

[Cherry234]

@CrazyGirl2 I feel the same way. If scientists could find a viable alternative I would support that.

[CrazyGirl2]

Yes 👏🏼 absolutely agree with you on that! Nice to see someone else who cares about animals, but cares about humans more. Cool.

[wankiam]

can i just interject with a thought on this point? hope you dont mind but my veiw is that with all the data collected so far on certain compounds and how they act on the body, surely we are past the stage where computer modelling could be a lot more useful and if ai is as amazing as we are lead to beleive then a lot fewer animals would need to die... ofcourse its always cheaper to inject a dog than invest in such technology... to sum up i agree with your point on testing to preserve human life but im dubious about how much we need to rely on it still

[CrazyGirl2]

@wankiam You are asking the wrong person. I’m not qualified to answer that. I’m sure if there was a way to more efficiently test drugs, without needing to hire an entire staff of veterinarians and vet-techs to care for an monitor the animals, not to mention all of the square footage they need to have an animal testing lab…. I would imagine that if they could get rid of all that and replace it with a computer, they would have by now! Also, look at Covid, this was the very first mRNA “vaccine” ever used on people, so where would they get the data to input into the AI, so it can learn? I do know that a lot of the mRNA testing was done in vitro (using cells in a petri-dish). But being opposed to animal testing (unless there is no other way to save human lives) I would definitely be in favor of an AI that could test drugs though, i mean, yeah obviously.

[wankiam]

its the developement costs that outweigh established lab costs but the tech is there, the data is there, just not the will within the big pharma corporate board rooms but we can hope this might change sooner rather than later

[CrazyGirl2]

@wankiam Yeah, your probably right, I’m sure they much prefer the terrible publicly they get, every time a video gets out showing the terrible conditions in those labs!

[wankiam]

and who gets arrested when that happens? the animal rights crew

[CrazyGirl2]

@wankiam That’s probably because while unethical, cruel, and in many cases unnecessary, animal testing is NOT illegal… Breaking and entering and criminal trespass, on the other hand are illegal. That’s not to mention that these groups often destroy property in order to gain access, which would be criminal mischief, destruction of property, & vandalism. I am pretty sure THAT’s why they are arrested. Its not as if they are arrested and charged with “unauthorized activism”! According to a documentary I watched a few years ago, which followed a group of animal activists around the country for a year, every time they do one of these “Ops”, they all know that they will likely be arrested, and they do it anyway, because they don’t care about being arrested. I’m not sure what your point is? @Cherry234 and I are BOTH on record as being opposed to animal testing.

[purplepoppy]

It's actually very difficult to get a licence to do so, and you need one for each test. There has to be strong scientific justification for what your doing.

Or you can just export the actual testing to China.

[Kaneki05]

Nah to think that then drink milk and other things would just make me a hypocrite it's not to me just the same way I'll happy drink milk knowing what happened to said animal it came from.
And anyone who tries to argue it's unethical I will just say... Okay but do you live in remote area in a cave and just live off nuts?
Because if your not doing that your hurting animals in someway or another. Just living in a house does that. And if by extension they also drink Milk like myself then they should really figure out how that is made before they start saying this is unethical.

Hypocrites bother me.

[Cherry234]

You make good points. in my opinion it's also unethical to eat and drink animal products because of the way animals are treated. Some people think animal testing is the most vile thing but when it comes to farm animals they'll look the other way just because of the food chain.

[Kaneki05]

If you find both unethical then that opinion don't bother me cause it's not hypocritical. Sadly it's a flaw in humans they don't tend to notice the hypocrisy, it's called me overthinking and them underthinking. But not overthinking in the bad sense. If anything the underthinking is a bad thing.
I notice a lot like that, something like a show were vampires feed on people I just laugh when humans tell the vampires it's wrong but then they sit there eating a burger.
The only reason they find it wrong is cause it effects them now.

I very try much to stay away from that hypocrisy to the point, I am just like yeah sure if there was thing that could feed on us because there the top of the food chain I would then just say fair enough and not try to them there wrong, I am just glad there ain't. Of course I would still fight back for my survival but I wouldn't bring up some moral argument.

[Cherry234]

The hypocrisy really is ironic. Humans are okay with using animals for their own benefit but then if other animals use us they don't like it.

[Still-alive]

It might be but in my opinion its way less harm then the amount of lives are saved as a result of the research gained from it. People with Diabetes for instance have lab testing on mice to thank for insulin.

[Still-alive]

You weigh the costs with the benefits on this one

[Cherry234]

@Still-alive True. However, I'm 100% against testing cosmetics on animals.

[Still-alive]

Yes 👍🏻

[Still-alive]

@Cherry234 did you bring this up because of Elon musk testing on monkeys thing?

[Still-alive]

www.yahoo.com/.../...-15-23-monkeys-205653491.html

[Cherry234]

@Still-alive No I didn't. This topic was on my mind so I just wanted to see what people think about it.

[Still-alive]

i see. well its a bit of a coincidence then lol.

check it out in the article. now THIS is wrong no matter what.

[Cherry234]

@Still-alive Wow that is very sad AND very wrong.

[Still-alive]

yes. i hope something is done about it!

[Cherry234]

@Still-alive I hope so too.

[Still-alive]

Got him ;)

[Cherry234]

Thank you 😊

[WhiteSteve]

Terrible. I’m sure we’d all be pretty up in arms if a larger, stronger animal like a gorilla or something just started dragging humans off into the woods and running tests on us with no regard for our well-being. So I don’t know why we think we’re so much more important than other species of animals where we think we have some sort of license to do that. I don’t use products that I know to test on animals, I just switched to a different shampoo and conditioner last year for
that exact reason. I don’t want animal blood or suffering on my hands just so my hair feels smoother.

[NathanDavis]

ethics are subjective... and they also change over time, decades ago, tests were done on humans and that was thought to be not ethical, so they switched to animals... now people think, testing on animals is also cruel (and yes it is) so, some scientists have started to test with genetic sequences... and now THAT, people see it as diabolic

will probably never end so... we still do it anyway, why? because it saves millions of lives

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Well, to certain instances yes it's wrong but what about Diabetes medications, Mental health drugs, Blood pressure medications / Heart medications... The only thing you can do is try them on people who are sick with these illnesses in a Hospital like setting

[Bside]

Somewhat. My job is pharmacuticals. I mean there has to be a way to test them before humans do.

[Bside]

I think like things that are unnessary fot human health like make-up shouldn't be studied on animals.

[Cherry234]

@Bside I agree. It's not like wearing makeup is going to save you from cancer.

[Bside]

Totally they test a lot of nonsense on animals a human clincial trial like shampoo that dose not need to happen. There other things like the intellegence of an animal I agree with. Not cutting them up in school a computer program can do that. A drug discovery can give you cancer, a heart attack, or some other adverse health effect and/or morbitity and mortality. I study trial a lot working on my new degrees. Phase zero is the animal testing. Not very many discoveries make it to phase one or on the market and require if they do on average 10 years of testing and millions of dollars. A lot tested for 10 years don't make it. It's why they need to make that money back when it hits the market to cover what they spent on a lot of diff trials but still are greedy with profits. That's the reason some drug trials are paid for by the goverment. Some illnesses are rare and it's not worth the money to develop them. That was an issue in the 70's with vaccines. That reason was almost all the population takes it and aside from the money made if everyone had bad side effects, morbitity and/or died they spend more in law suits so they get kickbacks for vaccines and a cap on what can be paid to victims. That causes fast and loose studies as they make a bunch before pulled from the market but they do have to provide the fda with all results from clinical testing for fda approvel to move to the next phase. Issue is they turn it what looks good they don't have to turn in every trial they conduct. No one going to proceed if the animal have a ton of issues or die. I get all that but the rest is cruel. blah blah I think people should know some of those facts most don't just in general but sorry for being boring.

[Cherry234]

@Bside It's okay. This is good info. It's unnecessarily cruel to test products on animals that don't need to be tested on them. The waste of money for animal experiments is terrible too. That money can be going somewhere else that would benefit society.

[Bside]

Yes in the long term the benifit of everyone as a whole makes our communities and lives better. People are selfish and in long run is not helpful <3

[dustybiker]

If they want to use it on people there are plenty of people who volunteer for studies they advertise. Animal abuse is completely unnecessary.

[1988fido]

No
You do your best then the rest is not in your hands it’s about survival at the end


By : “do your best “


I mean you do everything you can to keep it minimum pain etc.. and not long suffocating etc..

[DonkeyDan]

To an extent yes, although human studies are even less ethical unless we have established a base to work on. I've never worked in animal testing, and I wouldn't, but I understand the need for medical purposes to have a test analog.

[Drumlin2001]

Sometimes you need to test things. Would you rather use humans? Plenty of medical trials have gone wrong and left humans dead or seriously ill, if an animal testing stage can prevent that then it's justified.

[josephinelcajon]

Musk’s Neuralink interface caused ‘extreme suffering’ in monkeys, doctors say — RT World News

[Cherry234]

It's very awful when animals get tortured. I hope animal testing is usually more humane than that, but I can't count on it.

[RawIronhide]

Hmm, I think so but also it's better than testing on humans, they've developed vaccines and useful drugs that way so I don't know if we shouldn't do it but to me it is clearly unethical.

[AndrésC64]

I don't think so. I wish it weren't necessary, but I think it is. Testing has to be done somehow and they end up saving countless human lives.

[Cherry234]

Well yeah for medications and cures. But not for nonessential products like makeup and hairspray.

[DCooper]

I wonder if in the name of testing, they actually put lipstick on pigs...

[AndrésC64]

Definitely agree.

[Tyrael]

No I don't think so. The benefits outweigh the costs, and the things we do to animals just to feed ourselves is far worse.

[DizzyDesii]

Well its them or us 👀 Unless they use plants or some shit. Im sure its unethical, but its better them than us

[genericname85]

of course it is. it was also very unethical of dr mengele in the 3rd reich to use jews to make inhumane experiments. but then again i bet you wouldn't wish to forego the medical advancements that brought to us today.

[Anonymous]

Isn't. I wish they would experiment on serial killers, rapists, people addicted to violence instead of experimenting on these innocent animals so that society can breathe more clearly and these cute animals have the right to live longer.

[Teresa435435454]

yes; would we want aliens hypothetically coming down and inflicting us to turturous medical experiments in order to further their race? no.

[Anonymous]

Why are humans more important than animals? Give me one good reason

[Cherry234]

I don't support animal testing. Some people defend it by saying animals have shorter lives than humans.

[Cherry234]

People are also in favor of animal testing because it contributes to treatments and cures that save people's lives.

[Still-alive]

Lets hear your alternative then…

[vald9inches]

Humans are more important than animals because you know we are sentient? 🤦🤦🤦

[Opinion Owner]

But at the same time the human species is more capable of causing a lot of harm. Climate change is an example of that.
It's a complicated situation, I know. But sometimes I wonder if we're worth it as a species. If we should continue hurting other life forms and the planet for our benefit.

[Opinion Owner]

And I know animal testing is a necassary evil by the way, I'm not against it..
But I do wonder ablut the collective sometimes

[Opinion Owner]

*necessary

[Tstrbrainer]

Medicines, yes. I can't see why we should test makeup on animals

[Cherry234]

It's unnecessary to test makeup on animals. The only purpose makeup has is to make people look good. Unfortunately testing cosmetics on animals isn't banned everywhere in the world.

[Tstrbrainer]

I wonder why

[Cherry234]

I do too.

[Máiiréad]

Yes, I don’t like it and even looking at that picture makes me sad.

[bowenw]

It would be nice if there was an alternative. Until there is, it's a necessary evil.

[Flower7]

For medications, it’s not unethical. For frivolous things such as makeup, it is unethical.

[SnakeBoop]

yes. animals can't consent or are even aware of potential consequences.

[Brokenheartedx]

Plenty of paedos, rapists and child killers to test on rather than innocent animals

[DaveJord]

I mean given how fast they put out the COVID Vaccine I guess not.

[jshm2]

No.

Better it be animals, than Blacks and Jews as it was in the bad old days.

[SecretGardenBlood65]

unethical as a biologist. they are innocent creatures. instead, it should be done on rapist, perverted and murderer men

[TheAfrikan]

It depends on what they are after. If it is something to cure a big deadly disease or any other sicknesses then it is okay to go ahead with it. @Cherry234

[Dollface1991]

Ugh I'd rather not get in to it.. but It's a hard subject.. it's wrong but sometimes necessary.

[Deathraider]

If it’s necessary and made to cause the least pain.

[Citizenkirk]

Least pain for who, the animals? I saw a documentary where a scientist (I use that word lightly) was taking a blowtorch too the skin of a pig too test burn symptoms for when humans get burned in house fires. The pig was not given a local anesthetic or anything.

[Deathraider]

@Citizenkirk Yeah, that experiment wouldn’t fly. I mean there are even working models of the human body which are nonliving that can be studied.

[Citizenkirk]

Not all animal studies are that ethical

[GlassTop]

No. As long as the testing is for good reason and not torturous.

[Anonymous]

Depends what is being tested. God gave us rule over all beasts. But with power comes responsibility. It is incumbent upon us to be good stewards of God's creatures.

[pizzalovershouse]

A rat or mouse is better than monkeys or dogs or cats

[sirderpsalot123]

I consider it to be a necessary evil. What else would we test on? Humans?

[EnglishEuropean]

A lot of it is, but it somewhat depends on your ethics. Drugs have to be tested on animals before they're tested on humans.

[OddBeMe]

Depends on context. How harsh? What’s the gain? If we could cure cancer by killing 1/4 monkey population…not sure I’d say no.

[AimeeKyle]

No. Would you or a loved one like to be the individual testing experimental drugs?

[crmoore]

I have conflicting feelings, but it certainly seems like it.

[Pohjolan]

Its has been a necessary evil but nowadays it should be replaced with cell testing when possible.

[jasco]

I mean what else are we gonna test on. Humans? Because animals are very quite to us DNA wise.

[Cherry234]

If it's for live-saving cures and medications, then it's a necessary evil. Although I think scientists should research alternatives to animal testing and minimize it as much as possible. For nonessential products like cosmetics I certainly think it's wrong.

[Cherry234]

*life-saving

[jasco]

Welp till they find another way of testing things, they shall keep using animals

[jimmy2]

they have help many helping humans get better in mediciine

[Jingi18]

Call it “human privilege” for lack of a better word.

[Waldoe]

Nope... all the plants and animals on Earth are for Man to use as he wishes...

[Hellraiser1984]

Yes. Use humans instead.

[Cherry234]

That's just as unethical, unless they volunteer to be tested on.

[Hellraiser1984]

Yes volunteers. But we'll paid.

[Cherry234]

Okay I just wanted to confirm that's what you meant.

[FreyaRed]

Yes, but it's necessary evil.

[888theGreat]

monkeys , dogs and cats are

[Cherry234]

Do you mean to say testing on these types of animals is unethical? If that's what you're saying then I agree.

[888theGreat]

yea, any smart animals

[Better_off_here]

it is wrong, and it needs to stop.

[Cherry234]

We need an alternative and unless we find one animal testing is going to continue. I don't like it either.

[Citizenkirk]

Yes👎

[Cherry234]

I think so too.

[Citizenkirk]

It should be stopped

[Cherry234]

@Citizenkirk It's probably necessary for life-saving cures and medications. I don't like it but it's going to continue unless scientists find a viable alternative. I do think testing cosmetics on animals should be banned everywhere in the world.

[Cherry234]

*Not probably. It's a necessary evil for medications and other cures.

[Citizenkirk]

I spend a lot of time working with animals, and it is hard not too empathize with them

[Cherry234]

Unless there's an alternative to animal testing it's going to continue. I dislike it. I do see where other people are coming from too. I can tell that a lot of the people who answered this question don't like it either and make an exception if it's going to save people's lives. I don't think that they don't empathize with animals.

[Citizenkirk]

I agree 👍

[loveslongnails]

Depends what you're testing.

[dray995]

Yes, I would say it is.

[vald9inches]

It beats the alternative 🤷

[Anonymous]

as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the son of man

[Subarugirl]

as opposed to what? Human testing?

[Cherry234]

Not everything has to or should be tested on animals like cosmetics. But for life-saving cures and medications, that's an exception.

[Jamie05rhs]

I don't like it.

[Cherry234]

@Jamie05rhs I'm glad you feel the same way. Unfortunately it may be necessary for cures and life-saving medications, unless scientists find an alternative.

[Cherry234]

*Actually it's a necessary evil for that purpose. People aren't going to trust those treatments unless they're tested on animals first.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Cherry234 I don't really know what to say.

[Cherry234]

@Jamie05rhs It's alright. This is a sensitive topic.

[Mango77]

It is I dont agree with it

[Anonymous]

Depends on the animal.

[jjj101010]

No it’s not, it’s preferable to testing on humans

[LegendaryIcon]

should women wear makeup?

[Cherry234]

Yeah if they want to. Are you implying that makeup shouldn't be tested on animals? Because if you are then I agree.

[LegendaryIcon]

im just sayin'

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then shall we do human testing instead?

[Cherry234]

If people volunteer then I don't see it as unethical. But I understand testing on animals for cures and life-saving medications.

[Cherry234]

I'm not saying it's ethical to test on people against their will though.

[Cherry234]

I certainly think testing cosmetics on animals should be banned.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well that's your opinion. I value human life more than animals. There are times when we lack volunteers and recruiting them as if they're being drafted for the test is no different.

[Razp_Sorbet]

For cosmetics yes

[Neko_Nya]

Should we test on humans?