Are we 100% certain there's no other side to what's going on between Ukraine and Russia?

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Logically speaking there's been conflict between the two countries for a long time and putin said they deserve it, is he just crazy or can there be more to the story than the media says, I'm totally against what's going on in Ukraine but I feel like he probably would have done this a long time ago if he just wanted the land, i need opinion from a unsensitive perspective because what's going on is definitely not okay but I can't be the only one that feels like there's more to the story than putin just wanting the land, maybe he wasn't ready to invade until now? 🤷🏽

WhiteSteve · Accepted Answer

I certainly wouldn’t go as far as condoning any of Russia’s recent actions, but the side of the story that I think gets ignored is that Russia has every right to look out for its own best interests and to try to establish itself as a world superpower. In America, and just the western world in general, I think we get caught up in this self-centered and erroneous belief that AMERICA absolutely, positively HAS TO BE #1 in everything, and while that’s easy to root for as an American, that’s not necessarily objectively true.

Ever since WW2, I think we perceive ourselves as “the good guys” wearing the white hat, the hero of the story…. but are we REALLY? Hitler is dead and gone. The reset button has been hit, every new skirmish is a new skirmish, nobody is automatically the “good/bad guy”, that’s often pretty relative to personal perspective when you aren’t dealing with something like genocide.

So in this case…. tough to defend Putin’s actual invasion. But if you listen to his speech a few weeks ago, even taking into consideration that this guy is probably trying to spin the narrative both to his own citizens and to the rest of the world, his beef seems basically rooted in America and NATO countries trying to stymie Russia at every turn and prevent them from growing stronger, like we’re still punishing them for being The Soviet Union for all those years, and that’s admittedly pretty ridiculous. You can’t just try to stop the Russias and Chinas of the world from doing stuff just because it’s not necessarily beneficial to America. You want to try to stop them from wrongfully invading sovereign nations? Knock yourself out. But the whole fear of being #2 or #3 to either of those guys is kind of unwarranted to me. China seems to be absolutely crushing it as a modern society, at least as far as technology and advancements are concerned, so maybe we should be taking some pages from their book, in some senses. I think the people making all the money in capitalism REALLY desperately want us all to believe that there’s no other system that can avoid tyranny, lmao. “What if we tried something different that maybe doesn’t leave so many people behind?” “What? The second you do that, a dictator will take over!” Uhhhhh…. what, bro?😂 Not saying it can’t or hasn’t happened, but this whole idea that capitalism is the only way to live relatively freely…. that seems like we’re quitting early on thinking it all through. Not even saying we have to abandon it, I’m just saying that it should be SUPER suspect how quickly we shut down any and all outside-the-box thinking in that arena. “Capitalism = good; anything even one iota away from capitalism = you live in a concentration camp”…. I mean, c’mon, people🤦‍♂️😂

Anyway, to get back on the rails here, I just think it’s crazy how America thinks we’re the only place allowed to be patriotic. We tried to fuck with Cuba back in the day — CUBA — you know that place that makes it’s money selling sugar, cigars, and…. oh wait, they don’t do anything else…. because why? Because it made America uncomfortable that they were communist, had communist allies, and were like 100 miles or less off our coast. It didn’t go well, so we don’t talk much about it, but if they went in there and overthrew Castro, America would’ve celebrated that. Putin wants Ukraine either under his control or OUT of NATO’s control, for the same reason, it’s a potential security threat on a border. He wants Ukraine neutral or pro-Russia, not a place where enemies of Russia can invade from if they wanted to. And the only reason we don’t give a shit is because we aren’t Russian.

So…Putin has kind of showed his true colors, I don’t endorse that, but I think our anti-Russia attitude in the world is what ultimately stirs this pot. Probably should watch our step with China too. America can shine while those other two countries shine at the same time, I don’t get why that’s a problem. I’d be trying to get along rather than make enemies of them, honestly.

Lliam · Accepted Answer

The media gives zero background or perspective. It is just a propaganda machine churning out one unified anti-Russian narrative.

Russia has been negotiating for 8 years to keep Ukraine neutral. It couldn't give up its naval base at Sevastopol and it can't afford to allow Ukraine to become part of NATO. The U. S, would never allow a heavily armed, hostile state on its own border, especially one that was in alliance with other hostile powers.

The U. S. played brinksmanship with Putin. It rebuffed attempts at negotiation for 8 years. In the end, it played Ukraine as a pawn in its strategy to destroy Russia.

I don't believe that Putin ever intended to incorporate Ukraine into Russia. Why would he need to if it simply remained a neutral trading partner. I certainly don't believe that Putin has any ambitions on invading any other countries. Russia couldn't even afford that.

Here's just a tiny taste of the background, and it's important to read the two (short) articles that are embedded in the article:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-was-all-written-rand-corp-plan/5773288?fbclid=IwAR1c1KsfRyLp5jhc5nvCxiS0-NytxSavmMDkgi2UVmgokqDUPvmGhy55Vv4

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

Most Democrats believe anything they see or hear in the mainstream media news cycle so, they lack critical thinking skills. They'd rather be wrong together than think for themselves. Every war has powers and principalities financing it and forming it to suit the purposes of The Elite. The Russia/Ukraine conflict is no different. It's interesting that anti-civil liberty villains, George Soros, Charles Schwab, and Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, are rooting for the Ukraine to remain independent from Russia.

supercutebutt · Accepted Answer

This isn't too complicated. There used to be something called the Soviet Union. Ukraine was part of that until 1991. Putin's dream is to put back together the Soviet Union he remembers when he was young. His penis quite literally gets hard thinking about how great putting the Soviet Union back together would be. So over the past couple decades, he's been trying to do just that. Currently he is focusing on getting Ukraine back. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union

Lionman95 · Answer

No it's not just a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. All the western countries for most the USA have a deeper interest that the Ukraine leaves the Russian influence. All those western countries are also interested economically in this conflict take Hunter Biden, Joe Bidens son who has a major position in a Ukrainian gas company. European countries have a interest because of Ukrainian electricity or agriculture. Ukraine has a biggest corn fields in Europe if the Ukraine would join the EU it would be more depending on western countries and the western countries could get corn and other agricultural goods cheaper.
It's money and influence which is the real reason why the west has an interest in Ukrainian sovereignty.
The western countries had no problems throwing bombs on Jugoslawia, they have no problems selling high tech weapons to Saudi Arabia that uses those weapons in Yemen.
There is no problem for Germany or other NATO that Turkey attacks Syria and the Kurds with NATO weapons no matter if there are civilians attacked or soldiers.

Massageman · Answer

You summed it up quite well, in my opinion.

putin isn't stupid, just an immoral narcissist.

He picked the right time- world in chaos from BS virus, BS president in White House, socialist push already underway for 5 decades- to try the geopolitical war games. The time was simply "ripe". BUT - He underestimated the resolve of the Ukrainian people, and over-estimated the support from everyday Russian population.

"Nice people" seem to underestimate how long the leader of a potential dictatorship will wait to conquer an area with the "never say never" plans that may take generations to implement. When the Reagans and the Trumps- solid pro-America presidents- run the country, those potential conquerers just sit out the administration, refine their plans, and carry on with some covert background activities. When the obamas or bidens- solid socialists (if not communists) screw things up, then the possible conquerers will use these windows of opportunity to their best advantage.

Anonymous · Answer

What’s changed to prompt it is that Trump was firm with Putin, which kept him at bay. The Ukrainian government has only stopped being pro-Russia in 2014, then also there’s Ukraine’s interest in joining NATO. The window with Trump was 2 years after government change and one year since Trump left, quite a narrow window. And even without Trump, that doesn’t necessarily mean the US is weak enough, but a year is enough to get a sense that Biden weak enough to bully around. They also needed to wait until Febubary because thats the months when Russia is in the leading seat in the United Nations. And a month into Biden’s presidency would be difficult to assess how he would react. So it seems that February 2022 was really the only and best choice for an invasion. Furthermore, I think the pandemic set the scene for Russia to sell its bio weapon story. Russia knew about these bio labs in Ukraine, regardless of whether there’s actually weapons or not doesn’t matter. They did the research and have this narrative to push in this given social climate.

It doesn’t all necessarily work out for them though. Aside from Russia’s slow progress, they also seem to fall short when it comes to managing public perception. Sure, they’ve got they’re narratives they’re sticking to, but people aren’t really eating it up outside Russia.

Diodoro · Answer

Let's cut the bullshit and go to brass tax. The decisions of the leader doesn't morally dictate what his citizens deserve nor the world at large should allow to befall an ally.

At the end of the day one side is defending their home, the other is an invading Force seeking to take over. It's very black and white regardless of the justifications of the invading Force.

Additionally, Russian citizens are protesting the war and getting arrested. And Russian soldiers are even regretting the act. Let's relax on trying to give leniency on Putin and his decision.

Seek to understand it for sure to understand him and avoid future problems. But this doesn't change that he needs to be stopped.

TurkishDİxon3419 · Answer

Everyone has their own valid reasons. Putin wants to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO because he thinks Russia is surrounded by NATO. Because it was the aim of reclaiming the old Russian lands, and Ukraine there would be a threat to Russia as well, because NATO would establish a base in Ukraine and this Base would be anti-Russian missile and air defense systems, they could hit Russia more closely. any war but he would not be able to invade Ukraine if he joined NATO, so he is trying to bind Ukraine to himself. Putin thinks he is the Tsar and is trying to revive the Empire.

MrCommodore · Answer

Yes there is another side to the story Russia/Putin don't want NATO members on their border, which is understandable, as the US didn't want the USSR based in Cuba in the 1960's for the same reasons. I can understand Russia not wanting NATO missile bases on its border, because it is a threat, and the EU and NATO could address this and make long-term agreements.

However Ukrainian people democratically wanting to join the EU should not be used as justification for invasion of Ukraine, its wrong.

ibodi · Answer

All possible especially fake news fly around us like USA and Ukraine develop biochemical weapon. I am afraid that still ukraine pay for it in the end. I think it show that democracy is not still best system that can not take it as a faith. There were theory I learn but you know can not get in time for present generation and if that is right we dont need to encourage it.

NamerOfStars · Answer

Not if we're smart, no. The media that filled our heads with lies about Trump and Covid and Iraqi WMDs suddenly deciding to be perfectly honest about a Russian invasion? I don't buy it either. This very much appears to be one man's war for power and prestige, but unless Putin's gone insane, he'll know he can't win this: an occupation of Ukraine would turn into another Afghan war. I'm not saying it's justified- frankly, I don't know how it COULD be- but I don't trust the narrative that this is just one man's madness, with lives and treasure being thrown away by the bucketload because that man happens to be the President of Russsia.

I've no idea what it is, but there's SOMETHING deeper going on here. Reality doesn't give us Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains.

goaded · Answer

I'm 100% certain there are a lot of people "just asking questions" like this who know better.

Until the kleptocrat protester murdering former president was ousted Ukraine was a vassal state. Once the people could choose, it wasn't any more. That seems to be unacceptable to Putin. I don't think it needs any more than that.

There are already four NATO members on Russia's borders, one since the beginning, the rest joined to protect themselves from Russia's habit of invading its neighbours, which is exactly what's happening today in Ukraine.

Anonymous · Answer

There is always many sides to every war. They are kind of going over the top in support of the Ukraine, shutting down the other side which makes you wonder what more is there to it.

I don't like the Russian invasion, I think Russia would be infinitely better off just eliminating the NATO threat by joining NATO instead of being paranoid about it.

There is no natural reason why Russia shouldn't, they need security, they need investment, their not communist, they could make an enormous amount of money selling their high quality less expensive hardware to western markets undercutting Western firms...

ragooo8 · Answer

Well Biden like Obama b4 has instigated conflict in Ukraine with Russia by supplying arms to Ukraine, trying to get them to join NATO, building up US military presence on russia's boarder, attempts to undermine russia's, expanding nato's size, engaging in cyber warfare, attacking russia's allies, attacking Russia in the media, using other countries to gang up on Russia, sanctions, putting nuclear weapons in Europe pointed at Russia, egging the Ukrainians on to start shit with Russia thinking the US has their back while the truth is Biden and Obama b4 him would have fought to the last Ukrainian. Trump did the opposite and deescalated the situation which is why Putin only invaded when Obama and Biden were in office.

TheBigGuy9 · Answer

Dude, you’re missing a plethora of information. First off, Biden is a pussy. Vlad saw how he handled Afghanistan and planned right then. Joe gave China secret intelligence on Ukraine. Where else did Hunter get that big chunk of money from them? All the corrupt dealings in Ukraine Biden and the Democrats did.
It’s mostly because Democrats are pussies. They think money can solve everything. It’s Peace through Strength.
I’d stay away from the media or you can still watch and see what narrative they’re pushing. Listen to talk radio, then do your own research. Come up with your own decision.

jennifer_bloom · Answer

My dad says some of the bombings videos they show online are fake, like there is a video of an apartment being bombed and my dad says he recognizes the video from a house demolition project that happened in China when he was dating my mom 38 years ago. It was a house demolition project and not a homicidal bombing and the people who lost their homes were financially compensated and given new places to live.

MuddyMole · Answer

My best guess is that he's been surrounded by a lot of "yes men" who just told him what they thought he wanted to hear, for such a long time that he no longer has an accurate view of the world, and actually believes his own propaganda - much the same as Trump.

Guy13 · Answer

There is a bigger picture:
1. Israel oil discovery 8/21 that’s 10x the amount of world 🌎 🌍 🌏 average‼️

2. -if you REALLY want to know what going down then go to Ezekiel 38-39. The Magog there is Russia and an eventual consortium of Allies.
Even the BATTLE PLAN… is in there and Revelation.
There’s no need to be surprised WHEN one does not have to be. Sleep is good‼️

RawIronhide · Answer

Yes he's been preparing for this a long time, I believe he's working with China together they're pushing back against democracy and western influence that's contributing to Ukraineian independence. China will invade tiwhan and together they will have more leverage over strategic military locations in the middle east and eastern Europe

Drumlin2001 · Answer

Reports I've seen suggest Putin maybe seriously ill with cancer. If true, this could be his vanity wanting one last big push to achieve a great victory before he passes. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be going to plan, he will be remembered but not the way he wanted

maverick2022 · Answer

I suspect something weird is going on too. Everytime the media leads one of these witch-hunts, there's always more to the story than meets the eye. I even considered that Zelensky and Putin secretly made a deal to purge the country and are pretending to be enemies so nobody suspects them. It makes sense because Zelensky banned all men from leaving the country, making it easier for Putin to come in and wipe them out.

Dargil · Answer

It is largely NATO's (meaning our) fault. After the USSR folded, we invited much of the Soviet Bloc into NATO, almost surrounding Russia with hostile powers. If Ukraine had promised Russia it would not become a NATO member, there might have been no war at all. I'm a MAGA guy but the truth is important.

Anonymous · Answer

In my opinion there is always more to the story than what we are aware of but what I take issues with is war crimes and crimes against humanity, I don't see much justification for that, there better be a darn good the world is going to end or else for that.

Avicenna · Answer

Of course we aren't getting the full truth (and perhaps even nothing truthful since the same parties that lie about everything else are now telling us what it's all about).

Anonymous · Answer

Oh there’s definitely more to it then what we think is the truth. If this was really the truth why would the media need to post fake videos of things that happened years ago claiming this is whats happening in Ukraine? A majority of humans are like mushrooms. Kept in the dark, fed a lot of shit.

Staximus · Answer

Ukraine wanted to join nato. Nato and the US already have missiles in Poland, Turkey, Romania, and somewhere else right next to Russia. Putin gave a speech saying that nato and the US is trying to surround Russia with missiles, and asked why they are doing this. He said it's not right because he's not trying to set up missiles in Canada or Mexico. He's right about that part, but I don't think he needs to invade Ukraine over it. I think there are also other factors at play here, financially.

Crepe_tart · Answer

It's basically a fight between two people that think what their doing is the right thing. Yet both have their wrong things.

Bluemax · Answer

Putin seeks the good ol' days of the Soviet Union. Furthermore, he doesn't like the idea of another NATO member, particularly one so close to home.

jahaims · Answer

He is doing it because Ukraine wants to part of NATO. If Ukraine becomes part of NATO it is possible for nukes to be right on the Russian border which is a security threat. Russia was denied entry into NATO.

michael1469 · Answer

Putin is the Ahole here. Even if Ukraine did join NATO, Ukraine or NATO have not mad any threats to invade Russia.

Jltakk · Answer

There's usually another side to conflicts especially in that region. Things are not always black and white like in the movies. Americans also need to understand that there are conflicts that are just as major right now in the world that they aren't aware of because of a complete ignorance of global politics, especially African and Asian politics, especially relating to China and 8 other countries.

RolandCuthbert · Answer

Well, why don't you try just asking some Ukrainians online? I think it is unrealistic to expect a Russian or a Ukrainian involved in this conflict to not be sensitive.

Tamera952 · Answer

::eyeroll:: Yea cause there’s gotta be a conspiracy in there somewhere right?

XXblack88 · Answer

Definitely think there's more to it than the media is leading on. The fact that Hunter biden was on a Ukrainian gas company board During the time Joe Biden was VP. Is a red flag for me.

OddBeMe · Answer

Or is he a “strongman” reduced economically by sanctions and striking out violently as all strongmen tend to do?

joeldalton · Answer

It should tell you something that the people who were in a frenzy for 2 years to get you to put on a mask, stay at home, and get the covid shots all pivoted on a time to be in frenzy about Ukraine against Russia.

Texas2stepper · Answer

He’s been waiting to invade Ukraine for years now. He finally did now that the USA has a weak leader. Hunter and the Big Guy want to destroy the evidence of their corruption there.

bamesjond0069 · Answer

Ukraine and Nato broke their treaty with Russia. Ukraine and Nato both agreed they would not join. Now they tried to join. Pretty obvious why he attacked. Why does nobody seem to see how simple this is?

Bratsondanielle · Answer

I say take out putin with a drone strike just like President Trump did Al Bagdadi

jshm2 · Answer

There is always more The West fears Russia, but Russia doesn't fear the West

Anonymous · Answer

No America are always the good guys and everything your government and their media tell you is the truth. Anything else is Russian propaganda/a crazy conspiracy theory.

Citizenkirk · Answer

There is the ongoing issues that Eastern European countries have had with each other since, forever.

IncognitoBandito · Answer

No Putin is simply a murderous jackass who doesn't care how many lives he ruins.

SpaceGalaxy · Answer

I just wish one day, all these so-called "caring, anti-war people" in the world show the same care for oppressed people of other war-torn countries!!!

jimmy2 · Answer

Russia troups are low desires to kill Ukraine because they are brothers. It really about Russia losing security

fireforeffect · Answer

Yes. I am certain. Putin wants to restore the Glory of the Former Soviet Union in Russia.

KostasKouvalis · Answer

Don't believe anything Ukraine says

Iron_Man · Answer

Everybody support Ukraine

Kurdistan1991 · Answer

İ don't care this war

MountAverage · Answer

Yes, we are.

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