Would you consider yourself a feminist? / Do you support feminism?

[AshleyPhillips]

Yes I do

No I don’t

[OpenClose]

I mean I consider my self to be "generally feminist", so I voted yes, but I wouldn't call myself *A* feminist. I don't like aligning myself much with specific movements and then dragging in all their baggage.

Feminism has actually done a surprising amount for men, and it's a vocal minority who monopolize the screen time.

But my main issue with it that it is yet another movement that starts with a conclusion and takes everything in the world and relates it back to that conclusion. You get a lot of misinterpretation of statistics or outright removing statistics because fitting the narrative is more important than accuracy.

Lots of blind spots. "You were drafted and lost your legs in combat because of your privilege." or evacuating the overwhelmingly male homeless population because you needed room to protest the fact that most billionaires are men. Or one we saw a lot of during Egypt's unrest that we see a bit of in Ukraine. "Women are forced to flee their homes!" No. They GOT to flee their homes. In both these cases, the men are ordered to stay and fight. In the case of Egypt, the women and children were escorted out, but if a man was seen trying to sneak off with his family, they were ordered to shoot on sight.

This narrative-generated blindness is why I'm not an MRA, either. I tried getting involved there because there was basically no place to simply discuss men's gender issues without it turning into some version of "Well... it must have been the patriarchy, so you only have yourself to blame" not two seconds after talking about victim blaming. Or guys being "insecure in their masculinity and it's pathetic" not two seconds after talking about how important it is to address women's insecurities. But ultimately, many of the groups I found weren't sort of the "agree with feminism's goals, but disagree with the methods" or simply applying the same critical views of gender to everyone. Feminism has patriarchy it falls back to for everything. This style of MRM did the same with gynocentrism, the idea that the world was created to serve, provide for, and protect women. I can see where it applies, but it's hardly a world narrative.

I think r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates has been much more in line with where I stand. Though they still seem fixated on pinning a lot of feminism. I love me a good critique of feminism as you have read so far... but feminism isn't why your mom used to beat you and your dad would gaslight you about it.

The only thing I advocate for is empathy, and I'm against groups or people that advocate apathy for the sake of narrative. That's pretty much it.

[CaptainOverthink]

Femenism, yes. Extremism, no.

That said, every ideology and political view/side good or bad has nuances on a broad scale. I agree with certain parts of feminism and others not so much.

It's a bit weird to identify as an ideology (itc femenism) in my opinion. If you're someone who agree with ALL opinions of every feminist out there then you're just part of the mob. Mindless.
Ofc we should all be varied in our opinions and do our own fact-checking to make sure we stand for things we ourselves actually can stand behind. But most don't, which is dangerous for society.

I think a majority of people agree with wanting equality as long as it's based in science-proven, peer-reviewed facts and is fair and not based more on intuition and feelings but on statistics, rationality and well-laid-out experiments.
And to be honest there are lots of things in science and psychology that we don't know so it can be expected even in the best of worlds that we get things wrong but then it's more important than ever not to get caught up in emotions.

Right now we are not living in the best of worlds and we're getting so much wrong. And worst of all our emotions are getting in our way of moving forward.
I'm not saying emotions aren't important, I'm saying when it comes to changing society and culture we have to think about all decisions from so many angles that emotions would just be in the way.

Most people I think would want proven facts and experts to play a major role in our decisions..

I'm not talking about majority of gag-users, internet trolls or screenzombies here. But like actual people that live in the real world and don't spend their days arguing on the internet. I think what we hear online are the loudest voices maybe even some of the more irrational ones. Don't lump up all men or all women in these arguments, most are out there living and not wasting breath on the toxicities of men- vs women-topics.

Peace to you all.
Now, put the phone down and do something with your life. I'm going for a run, bye internet!

[Anonymous]

I'm not an "-ist" of any kind and I don't support any
"-isms" 😅
Obviously feminism wanted women out of their homes and into the workplace. That has it's pros and cons.
It's good that women get to be independent. That they can help their family financially. That they can,
in case they need to, take care of themselves and their children without leaning on someone else.
It's not good to overdo it though. It's not good to overdo anything for that matter. Balance is always the best. Just FYI, feminism should also not be about hating guys. Because that's just silly.
Most importantly, just because a woman takes on the role of provider, it shouldn't mean her other roles as mother and home-maker are valueless. Those are far more valuable and unique. Working outside should add to that value, not replace it. That's just unhealthy for the woman.
I really think though that besides a limited few very successful and genius women, most women are not doing well in the workplace. They do not take it seriously, and think they have the right to impose their own personal opinion in a situation instead of keeping it strictlty professional. Or they are biased and think it's okay to bend rules to their own interest. which is not fair to their clients at all.

[Jamie05rhs]

Interesting view. Thanks for sharing.

[pixie215]

from what i see and know from way older female friends i have, its not about empowerment of woman as much as being ridiculous with accusations and there is no shades of grey with most of them, and they are way waaay over the top, like very extreme where is. case in point at the store yesturday, this one gal was at register and a guy said aww smile its a good day, and she flipped out telling him just because you're a man doesn't mean i have to listen to you, you dont own woman. then she tried to bring me into it, i was like ooooh no you dont, i was like im just here for peanutbutter not to hear this sh*t. the male customer was just trying to be polite and cheer her up she looked so miserable but oh well

[MCheetah]

No, and f*ck no! I'm not enough of a bitter, self-loathing, hateful, low intelligence, bigoted person to be a feminist and I actually believe in women having independence and succeeding in society through merit, not victimhood and pity points like the woke-left believes. Feminism is hateful and disgusting ideology and has ben since 1848 and outside of Second Wave feminism, it has literally never done anything good to benefit society in anyway. It's as "toxic" of an ideology and movement as the KKK, ANTIFA, BLM, National Socialism, or Communism.

Feminism ends with you dying angry, bitter, and alone (your cats don't count)

These are the most prolific feminists in history.

Susan B. Anthony and Millicent Fawcett,, the founders of feminism and openly reviled all men.

"bUt iT's jUsT aBoUt EqUaLiTy..."

"nO rEaLLy, jUsT EqUaLiTy..."

[HighlyVolatile]

I don't at least in the forms it manifests in the West except for a few schools of feminist thought, like Camile Paglia's notion of amazon feminism which looks to individual women to become strong and develop street smarts.

I admire the type of woman who overcomes any obstacles she uniquely faces in society on her own merit without looking to others to do it for her.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/DHi5R0-dcVU

In countries where they are impassable obstacles to success for women, I think I could support a form of feminism there seeking to further change such societies and laws.

Yet I think in developed nations where men and women are already free to pursue their goals without impasses imposed by law, it's up to them to overcome their unique obstacles, and I most admire people who do.

[HighlyVolatile]

[...] In countries where [/there] are impassable obstacles to success for women [...]

[HighlyVolatile]

I've seen feminists with gender studies degrees complaining that there aren't enough women in STEM, for example. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? What impassable hurdles are there for a woman who wants a computer science degree? Of course, some degree of discrimination exists in society, but that didn't stop Indians from dominating STEM in the course of a single lifetime for me when it was formerly dominated by white men. So the biggest problem I find with feminism as it manifests these days in the West is that it seems to be so hasty to point fingers and blame society, or the patriarchy, or whatever for unequal outcomes between men and women instead of women looking inward and asking what they might do to pursue their goals and set an example for other women to follow.

[HighlyVolatile]

But in a sense, I am some type of feminist since I do want women to succeed, especially those I love, and those I befriend. I want people to succeed in general: men and women alike. I don't like men either who blame society for their own failings. But where I disagree so strongly with most feminists as they manifest in the West, and especially in sociology departments, is their prescription for it. Whether they intend it or not, they are breaking the very spirit of promising women by making them think society is rigged against them succeeding because of the patriarchy, for example. That's not an encouraging message, and that's not an effective way to prove bigots who discriminate against women that women are competent and valuable.

[numscul]

feminism now is more like the opposite of misogyny but you know... towards men

The term no longer really represents the word and can't 100% be defined in the same way as it use to be due to the fact that women are equal to men and have the ability and support to say so and enforce it as a fact
most feminist i know are Blue haired psychos that are aggressive loud and obnoxious and quick to judge anyone else who disagrees with them and will go to lengths to exact their revenge kind of the same way asshole men do

so nope i support equality not some evolving idealism that no longer means the same things as it use to
that's just the way i see it

[Vesuvius87]

Do I support people getting fair opportunities to work, study, own a property and live their own lives. YES

Do I support the radical feminists that made marriage extremely hard for both genders because of them wanting financial incentives after a divorce; ruining it for the rest of us that actually want to marry for commitment, love and growing old together? NOPE

Do I support the women that pretend to be brave, square up to men and only rely on the man having the patient of a saint (unprepared and having no skills at all as back up in case that plan fails) and then cry afterwards? NOPE

[TheMVPofGaG]

Yes, I'm a woman's woman and as a woman, have had experiences which prove that sexism is real and alive, and though it is a two-way street that both men and women are victims of, let's be real and just admit that women receive the shorter end of the stick when it comes misogyny, societal standards, crimes, etc.
So I guess I identify as an equalitarian, but that's what feminism is - pushing the notion that men and women are equal as it doesn't seem to be perceived that way amongst a majority, and the comments on this question are evidence in themselves.
If anyone has had the misfortune to come across a woman who hates men, please keep in mind that's not a feminist, just a sexist prick.

[Asad1ONE1]

Women face more opposite gender crimes. Men face more sexism and double-standards.

[Asad1ONE1]

One of those came first. And I'm guessing it was the former.

[TheMVPofGaG]

It almost sounds as if you're exonerating gender crimes due to the prevalence of double standards.
I will agree that men face more double standards in certain cases. Traditional gender stereotypes that keep men in the role of breadwinner and systematic discrimination preventing women from equally contributing to their households and participating in the workforce can definitely put stress on men.
The truth, though, if you'd stop trying to victimize yourself and observe the world around you, you'd realize you've probably never been told you aren't qualified to do something because you're a male, women are still on average paid less than men, though that gap is slowly getting smaller, you've probably rarely been frightened to walk alone at night, it is less likely you've been date raped or molested, slut-shamed.
Also, get back to me when more than 6% of CEOs of S&P 500 companies are women.
Anyways, it's common knowledge guys like you are sexist yourselves.

[Asad1ONE1]

I agree. Life is a mind job lol

[TheMVPofGaG]

@Asad1ONE1 Life sucks. All I can say is men and women should be on the same team as they can both contribute so much to the table. Society creates a lot of the double standards, stereotypes, etc. that circulate today. I guess the best thing to do is to say fuck it and live the way you want regardless of what society has "set up" for you to be based off of something as unimportant as gender. There's so much more to humans.

[Asad1ONE1]

Yes bad women and men make the rest look bad.

[Asad1ONE1]

I really believe all the biggest winners in the world are men. All the biggest losers? Also men. It's a man's world lol.

[grega239]

Crime? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Men are the majority of victims of almost any category of crime you can think of.

[Asad1ONE1]

I've made a whole list of how men face far more sexism, double-standards and harmful narratives than women. Many women (even many men lol) may not realize. But it's better not to even think about it. Life is too short to be worrying about things we have little to no control over. Just focus on ourselves.

[TheMVPofGaG]

@grega239 I wouldn't say men are the majority victim of trafficking, rapes, domestic abuse, but if we're talking about normal crimes, yes men are victims of more crime.

[TheMVPofGaG]

@Asad1ONE1 Lol I think I made a list like that too comparing the injustices and misfortunes both genders face. At the end of the day I guess it's just better to group it up as what humans face as a whole. I can't stand guys who slut shame women or women who say "I hate all men" - both are just miserable-looking to me because because I've formed so many amazing connections with both men and women and have men and women I hold to dear to me so it's sad perspectives like this exist, its basically cutting yourself off from half the population

[Asad1ONE1]

It's tough yes. Men and women are different in terms of life experiences.

[Asad1ONE1]

And then there are those things either gender can or has faced depending on the individual.

[Asad1ONE1]

And then there are those that don't care or don't know. Lol

[Dargil]

Call me a "first wave feminist".
The "Women's Liberation" movement, the so called "bra burners" of the 60's and early 70's was totally legitimate. In those days, an attractive, well dressed woman walking down Main Street in the day time alone was often looked at as a prostitute as much by women as men. Change was needed. But like traditional and needed Civil Rights and Environmental/Conservation movements of the same period, these movements have been taken over by political hustlers.

[Heartache0405]

So attractive women went from walking down the street in day time being seen as a prostitute by both men and women and thought the best thing to do would be to make prostitution more acceptable instead of dressing more conservatively and doing their best not to appear as though they were a prostitute? 😂 Gee what a positive change! Don’t change yourself but try to change everybody else! 😂

[Dargil]

@Heartache0405. Not in that phase of their movement.

[WhatTheHeckkkk]

‘Egalitarianism’ would be a better term of what I support. Not so gender specific.

‘The doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities’

[melanieeeB]

Uhh I really like that one! 🙏🏼

[TrueConfection]

I used to think so. I don't see any rights given to men and not to women anymore except for things today's "feminists" are fighting for like Bruce Jenner and Richard Levine being named "Woman of the Year" or allowing men to annihilate women in sports.

Feminism is no longer about giving women equal rights. It's about taking rights away from men (unless they trade in their man card for a woman card).

[cth96190]

No and no.
Feminism is a tool of Communism, to achieve the goal of Marxists to destroy the nuclear family as a necessary prerequisite for the establishment of a Communist society.
To understand the purpose of Feminism, read what Karl Marx said in the Communist Manifesto (1854) about the need to abolish the family to make his “workers’ paradise” possible.

[whosnumber1]

fem·i·nism
/ˈfeməˌnizəm/

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nounthe advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.




By definition I am a feminist.

[maverick2022]

Based on the assumption that women don't have equal rights. Name one right that men have which women don't?

[whosnumber1]

I don't assume anything. I merely looked up the definition of feminism and agree with it. that women and men should have equal rights.

[maverick2022]

It's all just mind trickery. It says it stands for equality when it actually opposes equality. It's all centered around cherry picking which privileges women want to have and which disadvantages they would not like to have. Even more than that it's about hating men. I get it, some men suck but you don't see me running to join a lesbian club.

[menina]

I am a feminist in the sense that I believe that men and women are equal and that we should have the same rights. However, today's feminism sounds like a joke sometimes, so I have a hard time taking it seriously.

[LingyRolls]

No. Most feminist men are the predators I have to be careful of. Most feminist women are severely unhappy most of their lives due to having a belief system that is composed of hating 52% of the population and perpetually finding reasons to feel oppressed.

[TransAm85]

I'm married to a man who believes in the old ways. Women are supposed to be submissive housewives, cook, clean, and service the King of the household! LOL I was raised by 2 women, no father involved. Of course I believe women should be equal. But I don't agree w/the women who take advantage of the system.

[Lionman95]

Depends on the definition of feminism. I support the idea that women and men should have equal rights and should be both equally treated as human beings. There neither men nor women are superior over the other but they are different in their strengths and weakens and both there are to complete each other.
But I don´t support an ideology that argues that men are the root of any problem in the world if we make men more like women the world will be a better place.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Depends on whether or not it actually supports equality, like I'm all for women having the same rights and all, but I'm not sure whether or not they're actually trying to fight for equality or superiority.

I posted a question asking what they're doing about divorce rape and I didn't get a single pink vote on the poll and there's also the issue on more lenient jail sentences for women. 🤔

[maverick2022]

Feminism is cancer of society, there's no way around it. Gender relations have gone to shit since it was introduced to western society. Always hear the question where have all the good guys gone? Butch feminists scared them away. Now birth rates are dropping dramatically and it appears people in first world countries will eventually be replaced by people from third world countries. Like any malignant cancer, it will not die until it kills it's host.

[OpenClose]

I'm mean I'm all for criticizing the movement, but this is a bit much.

Also, I'm not sure why "birth rates dropping" is even a bad thing on its own.

[Guy13]

Do I support a woman trying to emulate a man even though the Feminist despise Men so❓It’s moronic and obviously flawed.

I can’t wait to see what the world looks like when you Girls are in charge… And out of the little make-believe fantasy land where you all reside now. Can’t wait to see you in peace talks with like of Putin or Xi

[ohshee]

I support what it's all about I don't support the people that are doing all the screaming and yelling because they are going about it the wrong way in so many cases they set themselves back twenty years just by the way that they go about things but I do believe in the movement itself

[sadstrawberry]

If you think from a fathers point of view, whom would you prefer your daughter to marry?
https://www. girlsaskguys. com/sexual-behavior/q4770546-if-you-think-from-a-fathers-point-of-view-whom-would-you-prefer-your? utm_source=dynamic&utm_medium=iosapp&utm_campaign=question&utm_content=q4770546

[Kaamraj]

I consider myself a feminist, I am all for choice and consequences. I am fully in support of women in Ukraine joining the territorial defense forces in same number as the men, ofcorse minus pregnant women and women with young children. And if they dont, instead choose to evacuate to safety to Poland, then I support the men claiming extra rights for their sacrifices.

[Drumlin2001]

a lot of the feminists I've heard don't seem to believe in equality, they are out for whatever they can get. When I hear a feminst argue that there should be equality in custody cases and 50/50 should be the assumption then maybe I'll start to believe the movement has merit.
I also haven't heard any feminists questioning the Ukraine conscription, all men between 18-60. Haven't heard a clammering to say women should have been conscripted too.

[maverick2022]

Feminists actually protested women being enlisted in the selective service. It's worse than not actually wanting equality, they OPPOSE equality.

[annabananna]

I used to call myself one but then I saw that so many women in the movement don’t care if there is inequality on mens issues. They also just seem angry and complain about every little thing.

[FunkyMonkee]

To a degree!! I support women being able to do the same stuff men do/can do but I'm, in NO WAY a feminazi!! Nor am I interested in hiring a woman for a job JUST BECAUSE she's a woman!! She better DAMN WELL be able to DO the job!!! You can see what an utter MESS the country is in, now because of that bullshit ethos!! You do NOT hire based on skin colour or what someone has dangling between their legs!!! If you WANT the job, you BETTER be able to DO IT, and DO IT WELL!!

[Shamalien]

No, feminism is just a psy op to destroy the bond between men and women and earn double taxes from twice the working population. Two parents work now, kids are raised like shit by tv and crap public school, and yet nobody can afford a house anymore.

we have been fucked so so hard y'all don’t even realize

[VikingWarLord]

Does that mean you get to pay half on a date?
No more men taking the lead every time?
If you make more than me, I can divorce you and take everything you have, the kids, dog, cars, half your salary? etc..
Are we talkin about THAT type of Feminism?

[marish01]

Well said.

[CountessSarah]

No, I'm not a feminist. Feminist politics are regressive and divisive. As an egalitarian, feminist politics are at odds with my left wing beliefs.

[David_Kek]

Have women become more reasonable in the last 10 years?

This actually matches quite well with the post i made today. 10 years ago it would of been more like 80-90% of the women would have considered themselves a feminist on an internet poll.

[Cherry234]

I don't consider myself a feminist, but I do believe that men and women should have equal rights. It seems like feminists don't pay much attention to men's issues.

[Anonymous]

I believe in and support equal rights and opportunities for both sexes. I believe males and females both deserve to be valued and respected. I believe we should recognize and care about the issues and challenges both sexes face in modern society. Therefore, I could never support modern feminism for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous]

Of course i am Feminist and support it strictly. Because of feminism, women can do men privileges. As a woman, of course i want to live in the same quality as men. Being equal is the need of this world. Being equal does not mean that we are all the same. Being equal means that like you are in a restaurant and the waiter gives you the same menu. So, you can ‘’choose’’ whatever you want. You can not forbid one thing to women and think it is okay to men.

[maverick2022]

Do what? So you're saying women should not receive a lesser sentence for the same crime and should not receive automatic custody of her children? Are you saying that women should be required to sign up for the draft and fight in wars like men? Are you saying that female sexuality should be considered as offensive as men's? Or are you basically just saying "pay me the same for less work"?

[Opinion Owner]

@maverick2022 yes, i want what you say too. Not paying me the same for less work. I do not want women have more priviliges in some areas more than men. As i do not want men have more priviliges in some areas more than women. I am in what you say all above.

[maverick2022]

What do men have more privilege in regard to? I can't think of anything

[Opinion Owner]

@maverick2022 you can think many things but you do not want to think… I will not argue with you about that. For me, women and men should be equal in everything. That’s it. I am not feminazi that thinks women are superior than men. But i am not someone who thinks men are superior than women too. I believe in equality.

[uwu_princess]

Yes, I support. Because I know the meaning of 'feminism' and I know most of (stupid) people think that feminism=hate men 🤦‍♀️

[sirderpsalot123]

I don't support feminism but I don't think feminist hate men. I just don't think they focus enough on men's issues so I don't see how it's about equality when it's about women 100% of the time. I also don't like that they don't call out misandry and female predators/abusers.

[Exterminatore]

@sirderpsalot123

“ I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high heal shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig” - Andrea Dworkin - feminist

“I feel that man hating is an honorable and viable political act. That the oppressed have a right to class hatred against the class that’s oppressing them” - Robin Morgan - feminist

To call a man an animal is to flatter him, he’s a machine, a walking dildo. - Valerie Solanas - Feminist

“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against women” -Cathrine MacKinnon - Feminist

“The more famous and powerful I get the more I have to hurt men” - Sharon Stone - Feminist

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race” - Sally Miller Gearheart - Feminist

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience” - Cathrine Comins - Feminist

I can’t literally quote 100’s more by main line feminists. These aren’t even necessarily the extreme ones.

Feminism is about man hating and promoting the desires and interests of women over men. Period.

[Heartache0405]

Feminism is misandry hidden behind a false definition that everybody believes and supports. Further supporting misandry while they think they’re supporting the definition of feminism when they’re not

[JesseJayNeak]

So, I’m stupid now?

[sirderpsalot123]

I like to believe that the misandrist are in the majority. I believe most feminist don't hate men, they are just too selfish to worry about the other half of the population

[sirderpsalot123]

@Exterminatore

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore by definition, those women who say those things are not feminists. They are insane. They don't hate men because they are feminists. They hate men because they are insane.

[Exterminatore]

@sirder

Selfishness in this case would also be a form of hate. Making society comfortable for women only is hate. Making men more like women is hate. Making men fail so women can succeed is hate.

[Exterminatore]

@this

Sharon Stone is a well known actress. Robin Morgan was the editor of Ms Magazine. Maybe 2 of them are known to be extreme. The rest are all main stream. I know that doesn’t fit into the indoctrinated world view you probably have but it’s true.

[Djaay]

Feminism is "Lesbianism " = (Witchcraft) . That equates to hatred... and who's STUPID?

[Exterminatore]

@DJ

Very often lesbianism is endorsed by feminists or feminist groups. Feminism at least in the beginning (60’s) was closely related to witchcraft

[Djaay]

Exterminatore... Feminism started in the 11th chapter of Genises. Formally know as the mother and baby spirit. Sorcery was the evil spririted way of the wiccan , (witchcraft) pegan power. Feminism is powered by unfulfillment , envy and strife and complainig and spewed towards men through witchcraft using its sorcery agaisnt men because we men are the ones created in GODS image. Also because the Bible is considered guy talk , from father to son.

[Djaay]

Slso the equality spoken of between feminist is the same equality from lucifer to GOD. Lucifer does'nt want supririority because he's well aware he can't , but wants equality to make a wrong diguise its self as a right.

[maverick2022]

Feminists definitely hate men. I visited a feminist forum the other day just to see. It's all centered around a distorted world perception to create a false image that women are treated unfairly, the only cause and result of which is hatred. All the things which feminists promote are things which make men unhappy. For example, if males are attracted to a certain type a female then feminists promote the opposite.

[Exterminatore]

@Dj

That was some good info there. I’ll have to reread Genesis 11.

Same thing in a Christian marriage. The husband is supposed to be the head of the house. But yet women clamor for equality. Why? Cause as soon as they’re considered equal you can’t tell her what to do. So they use the word equality in different ways. They say it as if they mean equal rights but they really mean equal in authority in the home just like Satan.

Same with voting. As soon as they could vote they could hold office and create legislation and render decisions as a judge. Did women use these new rights to better the nation? Vote for who will lead best? No. Hold public office with the greater good in mind, No. They used those rights to better women only at the sake of the nation and men. How selfish. And now look. Our nation is a laughing stock as women lead rather then men in the home, at work often enough, in public office and in every area of life.

[Exterminatore]

@maverick

Fully agree.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore just because they are known celebrities doesn't mean they are not insane. Look at Kanye West for example. Dude is out his mind for the longest time.

Don't confuse misandry for feminism.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@maverick2022 I had a similar experience when I want to a menosphereand red pill forum. You should have seen the amount of anger and bitterness towards women. It was ridiculous delusional and denial of responsibility, one after the other.

But if you tell me, not all are like that. Fair enough. I say the same of feminists.

[MCheetah]

@uwu_princess
The founders of feminism, Millicent Fawcett and Susan B. Anthony, openly and publicly hated men. The Seneca Falls Convention of 1848. Look that shit up. They openly hated men and didn't even consider Negro men, like Fredrick Douglass, as being their "equals" and thought that white women were superior to white men, but especially superior to black men, but still wanted to use black men as pawns because they thought so little of women, that they figured riding off the "anti slavery" wave would be more advantageous for them simply because they were men, than fighting their own battles.

The Suffragettes: Actually HURT women's voting rights by nine years because they were essentially the BLM or ANTIFA of their day and all they did was cause arson and riots to the pint that even other women didn't support them. And let's not forget the White Feather campaign where they tried to call 18 year old men cowards and publicly shame them for signing up to fight in World War I despite them not lifting a finger to do the same thing. Just one of MANY examples of feminist hypocrisy.

Second wave feminism is the only one that had any benefits to society, but that mostly wasn't even feminists' doing. Like I said, feminism has often rode off the coat tails of the black civil rights movement, as they once again did in the 1960s and women only got equal rights in the West during this time was because following World War II, companies were trying to use women as cheap working labor rather than pay more qualified men a fair wage. (The only time there's been an actual Wage Gap in the West, and it mostly hurt men.)

And Third wave feminism is the one that literally despises ALL men as its core tenet, aka "Patriarchy." It is the sole duty to HATE ALL MEN as a third wave feminism. Fourth wave is more of the same, but with "intersectionality," they now just hate white people, straight people, and CIS-gendered people as well.

[MCheetah]

@uwu_princess
Literally what right do men have in the West that women do not? Men don't even have 1% of legal reproductive rights to their unborn children. Men have to sign up for selective service (the draft) in the US to get voting rights and in many other countries, have to do military service, while women are automatically granted them. Women are the only ones legally defined as being victims of rape ("vaginal penetration without consent"), and the only ones given domestic abuse protections by the law. Legally, men can't be rape victims or domestic abuse victims.

So please continue to tell me I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about when I say feminism equals hating men. Nothing annoys me more than arrogant stupidity masquerading as intellectual superiority.

[Exterminatore]

@This

You make a reasonably point. Kanye is on another level. Sharon may well be too, however she is also a feminist. Are all the other feminists also off their rocker whom I quoted? May I suggest that that there is a pattern in their statements and ideology that resonates through all their doctrine. I can easily quote about 50 more feminists who have made statements indicating they hate men. So perhaps it’s not that Sharon is nuts, but that she and the rest of the feminists have developed a world view that is untrue and incorrect and based on that world view and ideology accompanying it, engage in divisive and reckless behavior not to mention blatant man hating.

[Exterminatore]

@Mcheetah

As per usual sir you are spot on. Well said and excellent points.

[Exterminatore]

@McCheetah

And quite factual as well. I hope all those supporting feminism will take the time to research the things you said. If they do I hope they can take that history and those statements they have made and have the intellectual honesty to admit the truth to themselves despite their indoctrination on this subject.

Certainly feminism as been around for a long time. We can look after 1919 once women had the right to vote and hold office and investigate who held office, when, what cases did they judge and what was their verdict, what legislation did they pass, what legislation did they propose, what organizations were they a part of and we can see not just by words but actions that their wanting to vote and hold office had nothing to do with a more noble cause of participating in democracy because they felt they had valuable things to contribute, but rather it was a vehicle that lead to where we are today. Women supporting women and women’s desires for the sake of selfishness at the expense of the nation and men.

Blacks and perhaps Indians arguably would have the greatest reasons to want to be legislators and judges based on their treatment in this country. Neither as a whole engaged in democracy when finally allowed to for the exclusive purpose of the elevation of their race at the expense of others and the nation. Not so of women.

We can go back to before the foundation of this country and see a number of individuals with feminist aspirations Abigail Adams, who was on American soil prior to the revolution would arguably be the most well known. Even so to me feminism really began in the 60’s. Yes, that’s factually untrue as you’ve mentioned 2 historical feminists from the 1800’s. I say this because it was at that point in history where women managed to gain enough power to move their little revolt from theory and and the attempt to gain power to wielding it with brutality against men and the nation. That’s when they finally shook the foundations.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore if you go to social media you will find thousands of women calming to be feminists saying they hate men. Doesn't matter. Those are women who hate men and use feminism as a shield. But by definition, the moment they state they hate men, they are no longer feminists.

[Exterminatore]

@this

If we had thousands of people claiming on media to be white nationalism and claiming to hate blacks it would kind of matter. Why white nationalism is the scourge of this nation according to many leftists. Yet, people make statements about hating men and being linked to feminism and no harm no foul there?

Well then by virtue of your argument then hate filled white nationalists use white nationalism as a shield. Such a concept as white nationalism is no more harmful than feminism. As soon as a white nationalist says they hate blacks they’re no longer just in favor of the promotion of the interests white people but in fact are no longer white nationalists. Right? White nationalism isn’t based on hate, and feminism isn’t based on hate either. Once individuals make such statements they are no longer truly members of that group because they have betrayed its concepts by virtue of their statements. Make sense?

Of course it doesn’t. Both white nationalists and feminists are hate ideology in reality. The truth is you can’t separate the hate for either concept and both concepts masquerade as merely just promoting the interests of whites and women respectively.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore Well since the hate for black people caused so many deaths and atrocities I can understand why people would rightly so be worried. We never had a mass murder of men, not even close.

Not only that, but while feminism, in it's true form, actually brings nothing but good to everyone. White nationalism does not.
So even if bad people are using both things as shields, only one side is using something that actually is good.

Same reason why I can easily separate hate from feminism. The problem is that feminism came to bring down inequality. Many people didn't liked that obviously and used the misandrists to say "See see! They are all lunatics that hate us." And sadly as said by Churchill himself, a lie travels across the world before the truth hasn't even begin the journey. Not exactly quote word for word, but it was something like that.

[Exterminatore]

@ this

I have one word for you sir and several synonyms for it. Indoctrination. See also brain washed, re-educated, propagandized, and conditioned.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore I enjoy having this conversations. Please tell me which part of what I said was wrong.

That white nationalism caused many deaths and atrocities that feminism hasn't and that's why one thing is more dangerous than the other?

That the original definition of feminism is actually very positive?

Maybe the issue is with the last part and let me be clear on my position. I know that many women used the movement as a way to do harm. It's a fact.

What is also a fact are the sensational lies and overgeneralization are all over the place. And that I call " Indoctrination. See also brain washed, re-educated, propagandized, and conditioned".
That make people hate feminism by making them believe it's something else.

[Exterminatore]

@this

I enjoy them as well.

White nationalism could theoretically key word theoretically be not about racism but rather the promotion of an ethnostste of white people. What Is hidden in that concept and actually kind of implied is: “and we want this ethnostate of only white people because we hate other races.”

I will accept your statement that white nationalism has caused many deaths even though it’s kinda of a new term and but really just an old concept. It’s racism that has been cleaned up to appear as not racism. We know the reality though. We saw the Nazis establish a white ethostate…while murdering all others who are not part of that state.

The same with feminism which is the promotion of equality for women as they define it. Again a flowery term that sound innocent and good…until we look at how feminists define their beliefs and themselves and see a glaring difference between the statement and the behavior. Can women vote, hold office, work, do they have legal true equality and effectual true equality. Yeah. Mission accomplished right? Never listen to someone’s words, watch what they do to attain the truth. Implied and hidden in the definition of feminism is: “we want “equality” even though we’re already more than equal because we get rights and privileges men don’t, but what we really want is female superiority and even more rights and privileges men don’t have, we want things to be more than equal so we can tread down and dominate men and society for our advantage at the expense of all others.”

[Exterminatore]

@this

Also are you implying feminism is not dangerous because many have not been murdered in the name of it?

How many more men are we going to watched falsely accused of rape and sexual assault have their lives destroyed. What if the truth is reveled? How many women are f prosecuted for such things AND receive equal punishment under the law? It is well known female rapists and molesters receive a fraction of the jail time their male counterparts receive.

How many more men will suffer economic hardship due to grossly unfair divorce laws that favor women.

How much longer will I personally suffer at my job where women are given equal pay and benefit yet are not required to do equal work and have equal responsibility? As I lift 50 lb bags of fruit and…well…. they’re women so we won’t demand likewise. Nope. That’s not equality. I took a physical and they did to get the job, part of which was lifting 50 pounds. I lift the 50 pound bag…then they lift it. THAT sir is equality not…we get the same pay but don’t do and aren’t mandated to do the same lifting you must. I guess because I’m a man my muscles are less sore than theirs would be. Oh…they’re physically weaker…Idc, equality remember? Equal pay for EQUAL work? What will I do about such discrimination? Sue? Haha. I’ll be lucky to find a lawyer to take the case. What about complain to my boss…yeah right…I’ll be labeled a sexist. Then promptly discharged for daring to speak against women. Most especially if any of them heard it.

I don’t see one feminist demanding to be drafted for war just like men. I sir by the definition of feminism am a feminist too. I want true equality between men and women and by the feminists definition that makes me a feminist. However I’m interested in the equal responsibility part. Men get drafted…good now it needs to be a 1:1 ratio and a 1:1 assignment to combat between men and women. That is equality. Yet where are my fellow feminists at on this issue? Nowhere. Cause it’s notabout equality

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore It could be about that. The issue will always be what was done in the past in it's name. While I agree that some bad things were done in the name of feminism, we can agree it doesn't come close to white nationalism.

I share some of your concerns regarding it. For example, some supposed feminists were responsible for the rape law in English to remain the same. Aka legally a women can't rape a man. Only sexually assault him. This is total bullshit.
The power feminist gave some men hating cunts is a bad side effect. I have to admit that.
But, in everything, I am a "see both sides" kind of guy. Misandry generalizes all men as bad, I don't want to do the same to feminists. Specially considering my wife is one and she is the most tender person you will ever meet.

I will ask you to join me in the middle of the bridge now.
Yes all you say is serious and worth addressing, but it happens to both sides. I am a engineer. I had two bosses over my career who said they refused to hire women. Regardless of competence. Regarding false accusations, in 2019 in my country in three months more than 20 women were killed by their husbands. More than half had already report the case to the police who did nothing.
Please don't take any of this as taking value away from what you said. In my eyes, society is not fair. Bullshit happens to both sides. And I don't believe any proper feminist wants a child away from the father as long as he is indeed a good father. But I know my definition of feminist and yours is very different.

About war. Feminists don't say "let's all get drafted" instead "no one should be drafted". Sounds better doesn't it?

[Djaay]

This _is_ my _opinion 8... You can't eat at both tables. A house won't stand divided against itself.

[maverick2022]

There's no way around it, feminism has already caused irreparable damage to society. Divorce rates have skyrockets, single parent households have skyrocketed, birthrates have dropped dramatically, people choosing to stay single have skyrocketed, hookup culture has skyrocketed, and gender relations in general have gone to shit. Nobody even pretends that the country is in a good state anymore. Also being a white nationalist is not okay because they don't support Jews, whereas many prominent feminists in history were Jews. See the difference?

[Djaay]

maverick2022... there's NO such thing as a prominent female jew who was also a feminist. And feminist dont deserve a lable of prominent. A feminist is a advocate of the devil at his work against those of GODS spirit.

[maverick2022]

[Djaay]

Ok... so whats your point of conclusion?

[maverick2022]

Nothing really. I'll leave everyone to draw their own conclusions.

[Djaay]

God said to never lean on your own understanding. Do you see the irony of that now?

[Djaay]

Im not being critical on a personal note , just reminding you thats all..

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Djaay neither side has all the answers. Society will never improve until we genuinely listen to each other.

[Djaay]

Society will never improve untill this nation becomes under GOD do we trust once again.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Djaay God? A few things... The least religious societies in this earth currently are the most prosperous. By far. More education and less crime. In the US teenage pregnancy and abortions happen more often within the most religious states.
God as described in the bible did the biggest atrocities. From genocide to torture.
Never in history we had such a economic, social and cultural decline then when God was the top authority.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Djaay https://youtu.be/0cHxvLASCDA

[Exterminatore]

@This

Sorry for my late reply. I can appreciate your attitude and desire to meet in the middle on this one.

Here’s where I can meet you. It is evil and wrong to do the following:

1. For police to refuse to investigate crimes involving rape and sexual assault. They not only should investigate these things, but also if they find no such evidence or think the accuser is not credible then they should further investigate if the charges are false. To not so deliberately without good and just cause is evil and such police officers who do so ought to be prosecuted.

All who refuse to hire women on grounds they are women and break the law in doing so, or in any other way engage in illegal activities against women or refuse to do their duties in investigating such crimes, or who are accomplices to such crimes ought to be charged accordingly and tried.

I can agree those things are evil and must be stopped.

I can’t agree though that feminism is good.

In regards to war and the draft: yeaaaaa no war. It’s not realistic sorry. There will be war. If women want equal rights they must accept equal responsibility. Period. We tied this. Outlawing and banning war after WW1. It didn’t work and no nation disbanded its military knowing full well it would not work.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore appreciate the attitude.

I am not saying we shouldn't have an army to defend our country with. But to force, anyone to stay and fight, I am against that. Really regardless of gender. I can assure you the mothers, wives, daughters didn't want ti leave their loved ones behind. They were not happy that they couldn't leave with them. And the men who had to stay, wished they had left as well. We have an army! The army fights. Of course whoever wants to stay and fight is welcome. Who wants to go, let them leave.

I know this is not the only case and women can be very hypocritical.
"He has to clean as much as me in the house. Oh but I am a full time stay at home wife, he must be the bread winner"
This is dumb. Doesn't work like that and I know there are women who only want equality when it fits them.

But overall society is changing. Mentalities are changing. With all the good and bad that it brings.

Something funny. I genuinely believe that if men here stopped listening to social media so much they would see this new society actually is good for us.
I believe in differences between the sexes. No matter how much misandry tells women to paint their hair pink and get a job at a construction site, most women won't.
No matter how much Vouge calls for it, guys will never use dresses.
Let the crazy ones on medias talk. They will never change our nature.

If we stop caring, stop pushing for our ideals and just let people be themselves everything will come into place.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore This goes both ways. Sure you will see more masculine women and feminine men wondering around with no shame. But that is not a bad thing, they are who they are and they are exceptions! They will always be exceptions!

I don't know if you are with me one this.
We don't have to worry about culturally trying to push people into roles. Most of us will wonder to them naturally.

Yes women have a job now. Great! More money coming in. As long as they still treat us with live and respect who cares?

This is my take on it.

[lancecantee]

Yes, and proudly! I'll gladly work out, do construction, and look/dress manly. But also not repurpose "manly" for just "just wants to punch down at women and be an asshole". Movements are almost exclusively built under oppression and feminism is no different. If you truly believe in freedom, let others live their life and reach their own goals.

[Asad1ONE1]

"Feminism" is a word. Everyone has issues. And I support any man or woman that has problems or concerns – either about their own gender or the opposite. It's ok to have have feelings of hate for the opposite gender due this. But always remember that It'll affect our mental health. It's good to discuss and empathize. Not fight.

[Commander_Red]

I support the true idea of feminism in which men and females are equal. We as women should be supporting men's right to custody, protecting them against abuse, etc, the same way we expect society to protect women.

[Desconhecida]

Feminism is no longer about what it's supposed to be. These days, feminists are mostly haters or lesbians.

[Jamie05rhs]

I think I agree with that.

[Desconhecida]

Thank you. It's a sad fact, but sadly, true.

[Heartache0405]

No. I can not follow a movement that demonizes men for being men.

[Anonymous]

Why do nobody talk about antiwoman mgtow/redpill incels on gag? I see a lot of them trashtalking women but when a woman talk about her bad experience with some men she immediately get called feminazi although it was just her experience-wtf it is like getting called feminazi for getting sexually harrassed aka having bad experience with some men

[Opinion Owner]

I dont support the whole female feminism movement but i am ok with some feminist points like raising jailtime for rape -two years ago jail time for rape was 6 month-2 years in A WESTERN COUNTRY. So feminism do good things in western countries too. However analrape is still legal

[Opinion Owner]

In switzerland

[maverick2022]

MeToo movement made men afraid to talk to women anymore. Also the men's movement barely gets any attention by the media, which is probably why nobody talks about it.

[Opinion Owner]

Media dont give a f about any woman/men's rights, otherwise they would not choose a crazy feminazi instead of a proper woman right activist to get attention/clout. They have done much better when they did not give any attention to feminism. But they know that noone want to listen to a regular wise people with knowledge like scientist who dont get much attention, and so they choose the craziest one. Whatever

[Anonymous]

Of course I don't support feminism. I support equality, fairness and caring about everyone, not just half of the population. There needs to be more love and less hate between the sexes. Despite what feminists claim, their movement is against all of that.

No one, male or female, with any sense of fairness and honesty supports feminism today. The people who do either are horrible people or they have a hard time sleeping at night.

[tponderingundead]

i do not consider myself a feminist because i don't believe that 1 gender is superior to the other.

[Sparks32]

We need to go back to old conservative values some how. but the world is so broken now I don't know how it can but feminism is in part what went wrong.

[weysally]

I think I'm an easy going person, and it would be an ideal world if there was equal rights etc, but there isn't
so make the most of things and stop complaining

[jdrt787]

The answer choices are incomplete. There's a humongous difference in the classical meaning of feminism and the current reinterpretation of it. Empowering women once involved things like securing the right to vote and passing more laws to give women better working conditions.

Empowering women now involves sexual promiscuity, normalizing sex work, and singing about a WAP.

[Apulu_3]

I just support logic. I see everyone as an individual not as man or woman.

[janeks]

I am absolute feminist. I am fully supportive. I believe that women should be given some privileged rights.

[maverick2022]

🤮🤮🤮

[maverick2022]

There's a difference between a privilege and a right.

[Djaay]

Everyone has GOD givin rights , but untill you learn and earn your privilages from GOD dont expect free ones to pop up just for u. Man\womankind dont care about your rights or priviliages.

[Hetty4]

Yes I support feminism. I like the idea of egalitarianism but it’s about equality rather than equity.

[TheFlak38]

Level 1 first question. This is the feminist searching for people to screech at them about oppression and sexism. You know what I fuckin hate feminists just like they hate men. Here you have it.

[Agape93]

Yeap and yeap.

Disclosure, feminism is NOT about having more rights than other genders or shitting on them.

[dragoblack]

I'm in support of actual feminism, not that extremist man-hating bullshite. Women should have equal rights in society & buisness, But society needs to stop playing gender favorites too. People need to be seen as people regardless of gender/sex/race

[Djaay]

Your a confused person...

[dragoblack]

Or you may be only focusing only on the small radical man-hating groups that shout the loudists drawing attention to themselves

[Djaay]

Or i just might be reminding you of the living GOD that will judge you as well as everyone else and that you as a woman has been commanded from God NOT to have any authority over any man. Buckle up , truth is this.

[dragoblack]

Lol, wow preaching religious bullshite and blind to the fact I'm obviously a man. Dude reality & physics doesn't give a shite about your beliefs fanfiction book. Humanity needs to pull their heads out of their asses and start to work as 1 species and start seeing it that way, sex and gender don't matter in terms of symbiotic progress.

[Djaay]

We're talking about the question and feminist , not you in person. You obiously take evrrything person even tho that message was to a wider spectrum of femsles.

[dragoblack]

... as you used words that direct what you are saying at a singular person, namely me. =_= namely the word "you".

[TallAnon]

No and no.
The feminism as it was originally intended, to give equal rights, by law, was valid. Now it's a pathetic excuse and argument to say "but I want more".

[crmoore]

By definition, yes, but I'd never actively call myself one, considering how the movement has severely degraded. I'd much prefer saying I'm an egalitarian, as that term hasn't been hijacked by horrible people.

[Lunatic1]

I am a traditional feminist who believes women should be on equal starting ground. But the "mainstream" feminist movement has been overtaken by female supremacists, despite what the word feminism actually means.

[ManOnFire]

I don't support men's rights or feminism. In 2022, how is feminism even useful at this point?

[Tyrael]

No, not in it's present form. I wouldn't support an ideology that actively seeks to harm women.

[ODC2112]

No, I don't consider myself a feminist. Feminism is a doctrine of misandric fascism. Despite pretending to be egalitarian, it is a supremacist movement.

[007kingifrit]

no. men and women are unique from eachother. they are not equal and have different roles determined by their sex

feminism makes women miserable by ripping them from their true purpose

[Razp_Sorbet]

I believe women should have equal rights and opportunities as men

[TheSpaceGnome]

No, I support equal rights, not gender hating movements like feminism or mgtow.

[jshm2]

No and no.

Mainly as it's just a nicer way of saying "misandrist" to many

[skyeee_]

i'd rather see humans as humans than "fight for women's rights"

[Sargentcaptain]

Damn, Tumbler was to feminism what the Boeing 767 was to the World Trade Center.