Would you consider yourself a feminist? / Do you support feminism?

[AshleyPhillips]

Yes I do

No I don’t

[OpenClose]

I mean I consider my self to be "generally feminist", so I voted yes, but I wouldn't call myself *A* feminist. I don't like aligning myself much with specific movements and then dragging in all their baggage.

Feminism has actually done a surprising amount for men, and it's a vocal minority who monopolize the screen time.

But my main issue with it that it is yet another movement that starts with a conclusion and takes everything in the world and relates it back to that conclusion. You get a lot of misinterpretation of statistics or outright removing statistics because fitting the narrative is more important than accuracy.

Lots of blind spots. "You were drafted and lost your legs in combat because of your privilege." or evacuating the overwhelmingly male homeless population because you needed room to protest the fact that most billionaires are men. Or one we saw a lot of during Egypt's unrest that we see a bit of in Ukraine. "Women are forced to flee their homes!" No. They GOT to flee their homes. In both these cases, the men are ordered to stay and fight. In the case of Egypt, the women and children were escorted out, but if a man was seen trying to sneak off with his family, they were ordered to shoot on sight.

This narrative-generated blindness is why I'm not an MRA, either. I tried getting involved there because there was basically no place to simply discuss men's gender issues without it turning into some version of "Well... it must have been the patriarchy, so you only have yourself to blame" not two seconds after talking about victim blaming. Or guys being "insecure in their masculinity and it's pathetic" not two seconds after talking about how important it is to address women's insecurities. But ultimately, many of the groups I found weren't sort of the "agree with feminism's goals, but disagree with the methods" or simply applying the same critical views of gender to everyone. Feminism has patriarchy it falls back to for everything. This style of MRM did the same with gynocentrism, the idea that the world was created to serve, provide for, and protect women. I can see where it applies, but it's hardly a world narrative.

I think r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates has been much more in line with where I stand. Though they still seem fixated on pinning a lot of feminism. I love me a good critique of feminism as you have read so far... but feminism isn't why your mom used to beat you and your dad would gaslight you about it.

The only thing I advocate for is empathy, and I'm against groups or people that advocate apathy for the sake of narrative. That's pretty much it.

[CaptainOverthink]

Femenism, yes. Extremism, no.

That said, every ideology and political view/side good or bad has nuances on a broad scale. I agree with certain parts of feminism and others not so much.

It's a bit weird to identify as an ideology (itc femenism) in my opinion. If you're someone who agree with ALL opinions of every feminist out there then you're just part of the mob. Mindless.
Ofc we should all be varied in our opinions and do our own fact-checking to make sure we stand for things we ourselves actually can stand behind. But most don't, which is dangerous for society.

I think a majority of people agree with wanting equality as long as it's based in science-proven, peer-reviewed facts and is fair and not based more on intuition and feelings but on statistics, rationality and well-laid-out experiments.
And to be honest there are lots of things in science and psychology that we don't know so it can be expected even in the best of worlds that we get things wrong but then it's more important than ever not to get caught up in emotions.

Right now we are not living in the best of worlds and we're getting so much wrong. And worst of all our emotions are getting in our way of moving forward.
I'm not saying emotions aren't important, I'm saying when it comes to changing society and culture we have to think about all decisions from so many angles that emotions would just be in the way.

Most people I think would want proven facts and experts to play a major role in our decisions..

I'm not talking about majority of gag-users, internet trolls or screenzombies here. But like actual people that live in the real world and don't spend their days arguing on the internet. I think what we hear online are the loudest voices maybe even some of the more irrational ones. Don't lump up all men or all women in these arguments, most are out there living and not wasting breath on the toxicities of men- vs women-topics.

Peace to you all.
Now, put the phone down and do something with your life. I'm going for a run, bye internet!

[Anonymous]

I'm not an "-ist" of any kind and I don't support any
"-isms" 😅
Obviously feminism wanted women out of their homes and into the workplace. That has it's pros and cons.
It's good that women get to be independent. That they can help their family financially. That they can,
in case they need to, take care of themselves and their children without leaning on someone else.
It's not good to overdo it though. It's not good to overdo anything for that matter. Balance is always the best. Just FYI, feminism should also not be about hating guys. Because that's just silly.
Most importantly, just because a woman takes on the role of provider, it shouldn't mean her other roles as mother and home-maker are valueless. Those are far more valuable and unique. Working outside should add to that value, not replace it. That's just unhealthy for the woman.
I really think though that besides a limited few very successful and genius women, most women are not doing well in the workplace. They do not take it seriously, and think they have the right to impose their own personal opinion in a situation instead of keeping it strictlty professional. Or they are biased and think it's okay to bend rules to their own interest. which is not fair to their clients at all.

[Jamie05rhs]

Interesting view. Thanks for sharing.

[pixie215]

from what i see and know from way older female friends i have, its not about empowerment of woman as much as being ridiculous with accusations and there is no shades of grey with most of them, and they are way waaay over the top, like very extreme where is. case in point at the store yesturday, this one gal was at register and a guy said aww smile its a good day, and she flipped out telling him just because you're a man doesn't mean i have to listen to you, you dont own woman. then she tried to bring me into it, i was like ooooh no you dont, i was like im just here for peanutbutter not to hear this sh*t. the male customer was just trying to be polite and cheer her up she looked so miserable but oh well

[MCheetah]

No, and f*ck no! I'm not enough of a bitter, self-loathing, hateful, low intelligence, bigoted person to be a feminist and I actually believe in women having independence and succeeding in society through merit, not victimhood and pity points like the woke-left believes. Feminism is hateful and disgusting ideology and has ben since 1848 and outside of Second Wave feminism, it has literally never done anything good to benefit society in anyway. It's as "toxic" of an ideology and movement as the KKK, ANTIFA, BLM, National Socialism, or Communism.

Feminism ends with you dying angry, bitter, and alone (your cats don't count)

These are the most prolific feminists in history.

Susan B. Anthony and Millicent Fawcett,, the founders of feminism and openly reviled all men.

"bUt iT's jUsT aBoUt EqUaLiTy..."

"nO rEaLLy, jUsT EqUaLiTy..."

[HighlyVolatile]

I don't at least in the forms it manifests in the West except for a few schools of feminist thought, like Camile Paglia's notion of amazon feminism which looks to individual women to become strong and develop street smarts.

I admire the type of woman who overcomes any obstacles she uniquely faces in society on her own merit without looking to others to do it for her.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/DHi5R0-dcVU

In countries where they are impassable obstacles to success for women, I think I could support a form of feminism there seeking to further change such societies and laws.

Yet I think in developed nations where men and women are already free to pursue their goals without impasses imposed by law, it's up to them to overcome their unique obstacles, and I most admire people who do.

[HighlyVolatile]

[...] In countries where [/there] are impassable obstacles to success for women [...]

[HighlyVolatile]

I've seen feminists with gender studies degrees complaining that there aren't enough women in STEM, for example. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? What impassable hurdles are there for a woman who wants a computer science degree? Of course, some degree of discrimination exists in society, but that didn't stop Indians from dominating STEM in the course of a single lifetime for me when it was formerly dominated by white men. So the biggest problem I find with feminism as it manifests these days in the West is that it seems to be so hasty to point fingers and blame society, or the patriarchy, or whatever for unequal outcomes between men and women instead of women looking inward and asking what they might do to pursue their goals and set an example for other women to follow.

[HighlyVolatile]

But in a sense, I am some type of feminist since I do want women to succeed, especially those I love, and those I befriend. I want people to succeed in general: men and women alike. I don't like men either who blame society for their own failings. But where I disagree so strongly with most feminists as they manifest in the West, and especially in sociology departments, is their prescription for it. Whether they intend it or not, they are breaking the very spirit of promising women by making them think society is rigged against them succeeding because of the patriarchy, for example. That's not an encouraging message, and that's not an effective way to prove bigots who discriminate against women that women are competent and valuable.

[numscul]

feminism now is more like the opposite of misogyny but you know... towards men

The term no longer really represents the word and can't 100% be defined in the same way as it use to be due to the fact that women are equal to men and have the ability and support to say so and enforce it as a fact
most feminist i know are Blue haired psychos that are aggressive loud and obnoxious and quick to judge anyone else who disagrees with them and will go to lengths to exact their revenge kind of the same way asshole men do

so nope i support equality not some evolving idealism that no longer means the same things as it use to
that's just the way i see it

[Vesuvius87]

Do I support people getting fair opportunities to work, study, own a property and live their own lives. YES

Do I support the radical feminists that made marriage extremely hard for both genders because of them wanting financial incentives after a divorce; ruining it for the rest of us that actually want to marry for commitment, love and growing old together? NOPE

Do I support the women that pretend to be brave, square up to men and only rely on the man having the patient of a saint (unprepared and having no skills at all as back up in case that plan fails) and then cry afterwards? NOPE

[TheMVPofGaG]

Yes, I'm a woman's woman and as a woman, have had experiences which prove that sexism is real and alive, and though it is a two-way street that both men and women are victims of, let's be real and just admit that women receive the shorter end of the stick when it comes misogyny, societal standards, crimes, etc.
So I guess I identify as an equalitarian, but that's what feminism is - pushing the notion that men and women are equal as it doesn't seem to be perceived that way amongst a majority, and the comments on this question are evidence in themselves.
If anyone has had the misfortune to come across a woman who hates men, please keep in mind that's not a feminist, just a sexist prick.

[Asad1ONE1]

Women face more opposite gender crimes. Men face more sexism and double-standards.

[Asad1ONE1]

One of those came first. And I'm guessing it was the former.

[TheMVPofGaG]

It almost sounds as if you're exonerating gender crimes due to the prevalence of double standards.
I will agree that men face more double standards in certain cases. Traditional gender stereotypes that keep men in the role of breadwinner and systematic discrimination preventing women from equally contributing to their households and participating in the workforce can definitely put stress on men.
The truth, though, if you'd stop trying to victimize yourself and observe the world around you, you'd realize you've probably never been told you aren't qualified to do something because you're a male, women are still on average paid less than men, though that gap is slowly getting smaller, you've probably rarely been frightened to walk alone at night, it is less likely you've been date raped or molested, slut-shamed.
Also, get back to me when more than 6% of CEOs of S&P 500 companies are women.
Anyways, it's common knowledge guys like you are sexist yourselves.

[Asad1ONE1]

I agree. Life is a mind job lol

[TheMVPofGaG]

@Asad1ONE1 Life sucks. All I can say is men and women should be on the same team as they can both contribute so much to the table. Society creates a lot of the double standards, stereotypes, etc. that circulate today. I guess the best thing to do is to say fuck it and live the way you want regardless of what society has "set up" for you to be based off of something as unimportant as gender. There's so much more to humans.

[Asad1ONE1]

Yes bad women and men make the rest look bad.

[Asad1ONE1]

I really believe all the biggest winners in the world are men. All the biggest losers? Also men. It's a man's world lol.

[grega239]

Crime? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Men are the majority of victims of almost any category of crime you can think of.

[Asad1ONE1]

I've made a whole list of how men face far more sexism, double-standards and harmful narratives than women. Many women (even many men lol) may not realize. But it's better not to even think about it. Life is too short to be worrying about things we have little to no control over. Just focus on ourselves.

[TheMVPofGaG]

@grega239 I wouldn't say men are the majority victim of trafficking, rapes, domestic abuse, but if we're talking about normal crimes, yes men are victims of more crime.

[TheMVPofGaG]

@Asad1ONE1 Lol I think I made a list like that too comparing the injustices and misfortunes both genders face. At the end of the day I guess it's just better to group it up as what humans face as a whole. I can't stand guys who slut shame women or women who say "I hate all men" - both are just miserable-looking to me because because I've formed so many amazing connections with both men and women and have men and women I hold to dear to me so it's sad perspectives like this exist, its basically cutting yourself off from half the population

[Asad1ONE1]

It's tough yes. Men and women are different in terms of life experiences.

[Asad1ONE1]

And then there are those things either gender can or has faced depending on the individual.

[Asad1ONE1]

And then there are those that don't care or don't know. Lol

[Dargil]

Call me a "first wave feminist".
The "Women's Liberation" movement, the so called "bra burners" of the 60's and early 70's was totally legitimate. In those days, an attractive, well dressed woman walking down Main Street in the day time alone was often looked at as a prostitute as much by women as men. Change was needed. But like traditional and needed Civil Rights and Environmental/Conservation movements of the same period, these movements have been taken over by political hustlers.

[Heartache0405]

So attractive women went from walking down the street in day time being seen as a prostitute by both men and women and thought the best thing to do would be to make prostitution more acceptable instead of dressing more conservatively and doing their best not to appear as though they were a prostitute? 😂 Gee what a positive change! Don’t change yourself but try to change everybody else! 😂

[Dargil]

@Heartache0405. Not in that phase of their movement.

[WhatTheHeckkkk]

‘Egalitarianism’ would be a better term of what I support. Not so gender specific.

‘The doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities’

[melanieeeB]

Uhh I really like that one! 🙏🏼

[TrueConfection]

I used to think so. I don't see any rights given to men and not to women anymore except for things today's "feminists" are fighting for like Bruce Jenner and Richard Levine being named "Woman of the Year" or allowing men to annihilate women in sports.

Feminism is no longer about giving women equal rights. It's about taking rights away from men (unless they trade in their man card for a woman card).

[cth96190]

No and no.
Feminism is a tool of Communism, to achieve the goal of Marxists to destroy the nuclear family as a necessary prerequisite for the establishment of a Communist society.
To understand the purpose of Feminism, read what Karl Marx said in the Communist Manifesto (1854) about the need to abolish the family to make his “workers’ paradise” possible.

[whosnumber1]

fem·i·nism
/ˈfeməˌnizəm/

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nounthe advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.




By definition I am a feminist.

[maverick2022]

Based on the assumption that women don't have equal rights. Name one right that men have which women don't?

[whosnumber1]

I don't assume anything. I merely looked up the definition of feminism and agree with it. that women and men should have equal rights.

[maverick2022]

It's all just mind trickery. It says it stands for equality when it actually opposes equality. It's all centered around cherry picking which privileges women want to have and which disadvantages they would not like to have. Even more than that it's about hating men. I get it, some men suck but you don't see me running to join a lesbian club.

[menina]

I am a feminist in the sense that I believe that men and women are equal and that we should have the same rights. However, today's feminism sounds like a joke sometimes, so I have a hard time taking it seriously.

[LingyRolls]

No. Most feminist men are the predators I have to be careful of. Most feminist women are severely unhappy most of their lives due to having a belief system that is composed of hating 52% of the population and perpetually finding reasons to feel oppressed.

[TransAm85]

I'm married to a man who believes in the old ways. Women are supposed to be submissive housewives, cook, clean, and service the King of the household! LOL I was raised by 2 women, no father involved. Of course I believe women should be equal. But I don't agree w/the women who take advantage of the system.

[Lionman95]

Depends on the definition of feminism. I support the idea that women and men should have equal rights and should be both equally treated as human beings. There neither men nor women are superior over the other but they are different in their strengths and weakens and both there are to complete each other.
But I don´t support an ideology that argues that men are the root of any problem in the world if we make men more like women the world will be a better place.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Depends on whether or not it actually supports equality, like I'm all for women having the same rights and all, but I'm not sure whether or not they're actually trying to fight for equality or superiority.

I posted a question asking what they're doing about divorce rape and I didn't get a single pink vote on the poll and there's also the issue on more lenient jail sentences for women. 🤔

[maverick2022]

Feminism is cancer of society, there's no way around it. Gender relations have gone to shit since it was introduced to western society. Always hear the question where have all the good guys gone? Butch feminists scared them away. Now birth rates are dropping dramatically and it appears people in first world countries will eventually be replaced by people from third world countries. Like any malignant cancer, it will not die until it kills it's host.

[OpenClose]

I'm mean I'm all for criticizing the movement, but this is a bit much.

Also, I'm not sure why "birth rates dropping" is even a bad thing on its own.

[Guy13]

Do I support a woman trying to emulate a man even though the Feminist despise Men so❓It’s moronic and obviously flawed.

I can’t wait to see what the world looks like when you Girls are in charge… And out of the little make-believe fantasy land where you all reside now. Can’t wait to see you in peace talks with like of Putin or Xi

[ohshee]

I support what it's all about I don't support the people that are doing all the screaming and yelling because they are going about it the wrong way in so many cases they set themselves back twenty years just by the way that they go about things but I do believe in the movement itself

[sadstrawberry]

If you think from a fathers point of view, whom would you prefer your daughter to marry?
https://www. girlsaskguys. com/sexual-behavior/q4770546-if-you-think-from-a-fathers-point-of-view-whom-would-you-prefer-your? utm_source=dynamic&utm_medium=iosapp&utm_campaign=question&utm_content=q4770546

[Kaamraj]

I consider myself a feminist, I am all for choice and consequences. I am fully in support of women in Ukraine joining the territorial defense forces in same number as the men, ofcorse minus pregnant women and women with young children. And if they dont, instead choose to evacuate to safety to Poland, then I support the men claiming extra rights for their sacrifices.