How can we solve the complexities of transgenders in sports?

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Obviously, it isn’t okay for a biological male to compete with women in sports so I’m not asking that question. We also can’t force them to intake hormones or force them to put anything inside their bodies because that’s immoral. We also can’t create a separate sport for them and have them compete against each other because the same issue would arise which is males competing with females.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

Just one opinion.

I don't see any problem.
Why not separate them?

Current or past male, compete with males.
Ex-male, compete with ex-males.
Ex-female, compete with ex-females.
Current or past female compete with females.

That, or all sports are genderless. Period.

Let a woman or a man that wants to be a woman get out on a football field and take a crushing by a 360lb lineMAN, or a 245lb DB tackle, or taking a check from a 6'4", 235lb defenseMAN.

Ok, back to reality. This comes down to two sports, swimming and wrestling. I say, I can't imagine either a female on male hormones, or a male on female hormones being allowed to compete with natural women.

First, let me say that I think a female wanting to be a male, competing in "male" sports... except in extremely rare instance (s), a natural male would emerge the winner.

Here, with swimming and wrestling, we're talking selective breeding. Taking all of the "manly" attributes and packaging them as a female, or enhancing female bodies to give them male attributes.

It's all somehow wrong... especially in sports, especially for a group seeking recognition. I don't see how there can't be separate, different classifications. Some competitions aren't competitions, they're slaughters. Let's be realistic.

What's next? Recruiting an individual as soon as they become woke to the inkling of gender identity issues?

No one sees problem with allowing this gender fluidity stuff to flourish? I don't get it and I really don't care. I know I'm a man. End of my interest, but it just seems to me, that if all of this is going to cause such a ruckus, that freedom of choice has been left gone a little too far. One doesn't scream fire... freedom only goes so far. This genie is out of the bottle, now what?

We either allow genderlessness and create new groups, or let the king speak and proclaim there are two genders and that's it!

TheMajesticKing777 · Accepted Answer

They should have their own transgender category Male  Female Tmale Tfemale Problem solved

sissyalexa · Accepted Answer

I dunno! 🤔 that is a difficult one!

Personally I would say that you should always compete as your sex, if you were born male, you compete in the male events, if female you're in the female.

Sex is what you are at birth and refers to your genetic make up.

Gender is what you express, feel and want to be seen as.

Look at people like Denis Rodman, he was always known for crossdressing and strange style but he never worried if he should be in the women's leauge instead?

I'm genetically a man but feel and present as a woman, but I'm not ashamed of my sex, and you do have to accept your born as one or the other, but you can live how you like! But in competitive events it only makes sense to mix all sex's or just have it stay simple as genetic male and genetic female.

Why would it matter if one of the men running the 100m looked like a woman? 🤔 as far as I can see it wouldn't!

Rambling reply finished 😋

Also just want to say you can disagree with trans people competing in the opposite sex's events but you don't have to turn it into a chance to spout bigoted remarks about people's choices 😊

StrawberryShake · Accepted Answer

I think there should be a trans Olympic

OlderAndWiser · Answer

How about they just can't fucking compete? Or they can compete as whatever sex is indicated on their birth certificate?

Miristheiss · Answer

No. The obvious solution is one you rejected in your premise.

"We also can't create a separate sport for them"
That is the ONLY solution other than just banning them in full.

A person born a man with a male physique should NEVER be allowed to compete against women in women's only sports.

The only solutions is to have a separate transgender division where only transgender persons compete against others. Just like they have the "Special Olympics"... disabled people compete against other disabled people.

It is a complete injustice to let men decide to go trans and then be given free reign to kick the crap out of all the biological girls in the girl's sports... track and field, swimming, weight lifting... you name it.

I'm astonished rational, common sense people would not prevent this obvious injustice. Someone born a man, balls... dick, muscular frame, bigger, stronger... one day decides to transition to a girl, changes their name, starts wearing make up and girls clothes... starts taking hormones and then is turned loose on the girl's sports divisions and kicking the hell out of them. No girl will ever have a chance to win again. Travesty.

numscul · Answer

It's not complex in any way shape or form
Simply make people understand that if you were born with 2 X chromosomes you must compete with others that also have 2 X chromosomes and if you were born with 1 X and 1 Y you must compete with other that also have 1 X and 1 Y chromosomes due to the scientifically proven fact that people with 1 X and 1 Y chromosomes are born with a physical advantage therefor letting anyone with 1 X and 1 Y compete against people with 2 X chromosomes is unfair to all the people who have 2 X chromosomes
because it will allow something we like to call an unfair advantage and it would be unsportsmanlike to allow any unfair disadvantage go unacknowledged in games that are supposed to be based around an equal playing field when competing against others and no amount of make up or how pretty of a dress a man puts on it will never change the fact that it's still a man in a dress pretending to be something he is not... Female... it's nothing short of manipulation

Lliam · Answer

Simple, let women compete against men but not the other way around. If a woman can beat a man in a sporting competition, good for her. If she can't, you can't say it's unfair or due to discrimination.

There are guys who couldn't measure up in men's competitions, so they claimed to be women so that they could win scholarships, medals, etc.

Former men should NOT be allowed to compete in women's athletics. I don't think that's unfair at all. What IS unfair is destroying the advancements women have made since 1972 through Title IX.

Fake women are not women.

I also strongly oppose allowing men who claim to be women access to women's only facilities. It makes women unsafe and it's creepy.

I don't care if that hurts a man's feelings. Too bad.

Tjw78 · Answer

They shouldn't get any special accomodations and either compete against people of their biological gender or they shouldn't compete. This bullshit is causing physical and mental harm to people that are there because they have a passion for the sport and have worked their asses off playing by the rules their whole lives. They have a mental disorder and are trying to force others to accept the lie they have created and hurting a lot of people out of their own selfishness and lack of morality. We don't let grown men compete against little boys if they say they are little boys. These competitions are done physically so they should compete against people that are similar physically. It makes a lot more sense for everyone to tell the liar the truth than it does to make the whole world like and go along with their delusions.

DaveJord · Answer

Sorry to me its not really all the complex... this is something human civilization has over 100,000 year history as being a none issue. People are just stupid. Your talking about fucking up everything for everyone just so some people with serious self-esteem and insecurities boarding on if not out right mental illness can feel better about themselves by forcing the rest of us to be complicit with or a partied to their lie, and ignoring the truth about their problem.

As a compromise I say you include a new category or class of competition for them in the Special Olympics, because they obviously are way more special then the rest of us, if it is that we should care at all about their personal choices.

MCheetah · Answer

It's very simple: Don't compete. The world doesn't have to change for you just because you're mentally ill and think you're in the wrong gender's body. If you want to live as the opposite gender, then fine, so be it. But that's all you get. You don't get to sh*t all over society, including women's sports, because you're a mentally ill man who's also a giant selfish asshole and POS for a human being.

("You" in the "anyone this applies to" sense, not you, the OP.)

So yeah. Stop kissing these people's asses. It's enough society tolerates transpeople to begin with. Ruining society for transpeople's selfish fantasies for beating women in sports is a bridge too far.

DarkWinterNights · Answer

There aren’t enough to create their own leagues so we unfortunately need to ban them from entry. Otherwise women are essentially going to be pushed out of their own sports.
I wanted to join the army out of high school because I had no direction and felt that I could make a difference there. I was denied because I have asthma. It’s not my fault I was born with it. But it isn’t fair to everyone else I would inevitably put in danger if there was in an intense situation such as a firefight and I had asthma troubles. Sometimes we don’t get everything that we wanted in life, and we need to reach our children that reality.

God_of_Thunder · Answer

You can't win, either way. There is no way to solve the problem.

Right now, people are pissed off that a biological male has undergone a sex change, and is competing against biological women. That gives them the advantage, which is unfair.

Flip it around, and force people to play based on their birth genders, and you'll have people pissed off that a biological female, who changed genders, took a bunch of testosterone, and is still competing against other biological women. That still results in an advantage, and is unfair.

Exclude transgender people completely, because they'll have an unfair advantage, either way? Still unfair.

There is no way to solve the problem. Somebody is getting screwed, no matter what you do. 🤷‍♂️

CheeseMonster · Answer

I think the rule is that they have to have been on HRT for 2 years (after that any advantage is negligible) before they can compete. And Lia did the 2 years. She did not win because of her biology; that's just an absurd claim. She placed 8th in another race. She broke the pool record for the race she did win, but there are cis women who have swam the same race faster in other pools. Everyone in those races swam very fast. Someone had to win every race. One of the winners of one of those races was Lia. I wish people would calm down about it. It's not like most people actually care about women or women's sports; they just don't like trans people. If Lia hadn't been there then you probably wouldn't give a shit about Emma even if she came in 1st.

Anonymous · Answer

There's no complexity, people are making a big deal out of that in my opinion and a huge mistake by allowing this to happen. When someone is biologically male and went through male puberty, it doesn't matter if they're on hrt, not even if they have the same estrogen levels as a woman, they'll always have an advantage when competing with biological women, they're built different. There should be a space for transgenders, or as someone said somewhere I can't remember; a space/subcategory for trans women in male sports where they can compete together fairly, there has to be male winners and trans women winners. It would be different with trans women like Jazz or Kim Petras who transitioned from a very young age, but with Thomas is just ridiculous what they're allowing.

LogicBomber · Answer

All we heard for decades from WOMEN was
“women are equal to men”
”we can do anything men can do”
”trans women are real women”

well now we are giving the whiny children what they wanted, and like whiny children, it still isn’t good enough.

If you can all gather your hive-minded false victim narratives together and figure out what the fuck you want and stop pissing an moaning for the sake of hearing your own voices...

Most men are tired of letting the children run the day care.
You get what you asked for so stfu.

Kaamraj · Answer

A biological male goes through puberty, his bones and muscles are flooded with testosterone, which is an anabolic hormone and promotes bone density and muscle mass. After puberty even if that person undergoes gender reassignment surgery or takes hormone blockers and estrogen, you can't undo the physiological advantages that the person received. The only solution I see is a separate league for trans-athletes; with two sub-catagories, transmen, and transwomen.

ManHater · Answer

Honestly ladies this is your fault. I remember seeing you ladies up there with these LGBTQ and Transsexual and helping them with there rights. Do I care no. You asked for this so suck it up ladies. That's right get beaten by men dressed up as women. I knew this was going to happen. I'm a guy I know what I am capable of, yes I can knock a woman out with one single punch do you think he can't? I'm sure he can but you don't care because as long as everything goes in your liberal mind everything it fine.

MrCommodore · Answer

This is a really good question, which needs to be debated.

The core issue here is the physical advantages a trans woman who was born as a man has over women in terms of body size and strength.

Essentially it creates an unfair advantage and needs to be addressed.

Imcmullan · Answer

How about they can't compete in women or men.. get their own league! They take all types of hormones... it just isn't fair. The end. Im sick of people trying to be so liberated and excepting that we have become stupid as a human race.. and im a lesbian! Things are going too far!

AviatorTom · Answer

I'm not sure there is a solution. A transgendered person will either have an unfair advantage or unfair disadvantage, because of their inherent genetically defined bodies.

Perhaps some kind of handicap system could be used for timed events, but that wouldn't work for other events (like soccer, tennis or baseball).

Berethor · Answer

They should not be allowed to compete in women sports, they not real women.

Allie2468 · Answer

I think they either

1) shouldn’t be allowed to compete with either BIOLOGICAL women or men, or

2) make a trans/other division like other people have said. It isn’t right for biological men to complete against women who don’t have those biological advantages. That doesn’t mean that women aren’t amazing in our own way, but we need to stop biological women’s sports from being overtaken. I find it funny that modern-day feminists aren’t more upset about this...

KrisPW · Answer

Not enough Trans to compete against each other, so Trans should compete with the men.

Female to Male, you think you're a man, you're getting what you want by competing against men.

Male to Female, you already have the hormones and muscle advantages of being a man. Should compete with the men.

ObscuredBeyond · Answer

If you have a Y chromosome, you don't compete in women's sports. If you screech for your nonexistent "right" to do so anyway, you get pumped full of Thorazine on the spot and tossed into a rubber room! Any Karens or judges or politicians who disagree, are sociopaths that should be immediately thrown into a wood chipper. Half of them are probably pedophiles anyway.

Problem solved.

RolandCuthbert · Answer

The only transgenders in sports that anyone cares about is the male to female.

No one posts about female to male.

So for me, it is a women's issue. Women can figure out what whether or not transgenders should be allowed to compete against them.

Why guys are in the conversation is beyond weird.

slatyb · Answer

Since "man" and "woman" no longer have any meaning, let's stop having a Men's division and a Women's division. Instead let's have an X division and a Y division. Athletes with Y chromosomes can only compete in the Y division. Athletes without Y chromosomes can compete in either.

lightbulb27 · Answer

Easy. to compete with women, you had to have been born with female body parts or majority female parts if there's any question. no conversions are accepted.

Everyone else competes against males (the 'catch all' category).

Fair!

SomeGuyCalledTom · Answer

I think the organisers just have to bite the social-media-outrage bullet, and ban M2F trans athletes from competing in women's sports categories. The outrage mob will make a lot of noise, but ultimately the organisers have a duty pf care to the 99.9% of female athletes rather than the 0.1% of trans athletes who wanna take their anatomically male advantage into the female competitive sphere.

lrina · Answer

the gender that they were born with originally are the gender that they will play as.

DWornock · Answer

It is not a big problem because there are very few. However, should their number increase and it become a bigger problem, if and they start winning a substantial number of event, the rules will be changed forcing them to either compete as men or else compete with other transgenders.

anylolone · Answer

We have worst shit to deal with.

I don't care if no transgender person can ever compete.
Or if no woman what so ever can win.

Either no trans-men can win, or no trans women can win, I don't care about either, we have worst shit to deal with.

exitseven · Answer

Go back to the policy that if you have two Y chromosomes you are female and if you have an XY chromosome you are a male. It is not hard to figure this out.

Anonymous · Answer

Do it the simplest way possible, create a categories for transgenders alone one for male to female, one for female to male.
But I have noticed that female to male are not the ones raising any of the fuss, could it be that once they have reaches their goal they are satisfied?

Realbanger87 · Answer

So easy... I've been saying this for a while now, trannies need to have their own Olympics and competitions. Except for rugby, who knows the type of shit they'd get up to inside a scrum

fireforeffect · Answer

The Solution is very simple using a mouth swab, or a blood test. If your DNA says that you are a male, then you play in Men's Sports. If your DNA says that you are a female, then you play in Women's Sports.

If your DNA says that you are a female, but you think that you are a female, then you obviously have a mental health issue, no different than the man that thinks he is Napoleon Bonaparte.

_memyselfandI · Answer

I think that they should have a different category, for instance, a category of transgender men who transitioned after being fully developed as men; and the symmetriccal category for women. Otherwise, their performance will never be comparable to the gender they transitioned to.

Soremain · Answer

No, the last one is the correct one. Make a separate a mixed league for all transgender people. Because they are the ones wanting to mix the normal leagues in the first place.

megabamse · Answer

Born a male, don't compete as a female in sport. There is a difference between male sport and female sport.

Exterminatore · Answer

Let trans girls compete agains trans girls and the same for boys. Or we can just acknowledge this whole thing is perverse and stop allowing it.

kitkills · Answer

Why do people care about this so goddamn much? Tell me what difference a trans person winning against cis people makes in the world for you. It's not your life, quit whining about things that have nothing to do with you.

Surely · Answer

Whenever Biden’s Supreme Court appointee can not give a definition of a woman. Looks like things will not get any better soon!
Personally they need to compete with like minded people.
Women should not have testicular body parts.

mb120101 · Answer

They should have their own league just like disability sports

DCooper · Answer

What complexities? Simply put those with XY chromosomes on one league, and those with XX chromosomes in another.

NorthwestRider · Answer

By stopping talking about it. It is a stupid cultural war talking point to divide people apart  Like who freaking cares, just care about the damn real issues aka Healthcare and the economy

Andres77 · Answer

It's not complex. Like should compete against like. Simple. Trans should compete against trans. Not against secure women or men. Let them have their own league.

Djaay · Answer

What complexity? Just say No men in womens sprts. Not so complex is it.

admles · Answer

Have a category for transgender people.

I fully support and respect transgender people, but a male-to-female transgender has way too large of a physical advantage, in some cases like combat sports it's downright dangerous.

Aerissa_Jade · Answer

Transgender teams seems like the way to go, male and female transgender specific sports.

SmokyOne · Answer

Transgender league or/and an open league.  Problem solved.

joeldalton · Answer

Easy. You play with the gender you were assigned at birth.

Uptowngirl88 · Answer

They shouldn't be allowed to compete. It's not our job to accept these weird demented individuals. They need to be wiped off the earth honestly.

OmegaSTC · Answer

First step is to biologically find out why gender dysphoria happens. These types of studies are being shut down by universities, but need to happen.

Staximus · Answer

The same way it has been solved in the past. Only real women should be allowed to compete against each other.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Give them their own sections. Why is that so hard to figure out?

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

Enough with political correctness and kick them the hell out. That would solve it.

Anonymous · Answer

Not sure how they can solve this one because any guy can claim he is a woman just to win in woman’s sports so it’s never going to be fair unless they either don’t play or compete against other transgenders

Cubus · Answer

Just don't let them compete in such categories, as it's clearly not fair for women.

Anonymous · Answer

Simple. You don’t let them compete at all. Let a tiny fraction of people be salty and no get to compete in sports officially like nearly all the rest of the population.

nawtee_me · Answer

Transgenders shouldn’t do sports unless it is against other transgender only. That way it would be fair to all.

OddBeMe · Answer

Perhaps by trying it out? Seems like we’re such an emotional country that we can’t even wait before bitching about supposed problems.

jahaims · Answer

Male to female and female to male should each have their own leagues. It's pretty simple.

Reijen · Answer

Easy. They can't compete in women sports.  Women sports are for... Women!

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