Do think in todays society we put too much effort into embracing or making exception for weakness over strength?

[DaveJord]

It seems to me at times we give people every excuse imaginable to embrace weakness, and condemn those who project confidence and strength. Every one seems to have an excuse for everything these days, and we have all been socially engineered to make exception for them. Level of sensitivity these days for things that defies reason or common sense blows my mind honestly.

But then again it remains me of the saying that; "The meek (weak) will inherit the earth and they shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

This always makes me wonder what exactly they will inherit and for how long will it will last, when the strong are no longer around to defend them. Makes me reference my own personal saying;

"Rome fell because there weren't enough Romans left who still believed it was worth defending in the end. From there the world fell into chaos, were the strong took what they wanted and weak suffered what they must."

Seems like in American today things are reversed at times, were the strong are forced to endure what they must, because everyone else doesn't have to take any responsibility for themselves... there is no excuse or exception for being strong, its just a mentality.

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[noamazia]

yes.
for example, hating people who say they aren't attracted to disabled people (from genetic defect). why should i make a family with someone who is more likely to pass a disease to them.
why say that being too fat or too skinny is ok? its not healthy, and in case of emergency, it is detrimental.
i know that is not what you talked about but its the same mentality: "'whatever you do, and who ever you are, you are ok, and the more handicapped you are, the bettter treatment you deserve from others".
our survival as a society is dependent upon our cumulative individual actions. those who can't contribute as much should be cared for, but shouldn't be told that they are the same as the rest, because then everyone will try and be in that group and no one will try to graduate and become a contributor. and by that we will die through ethical beliefs.

i know that there are a million examples where we can argue wether a person is contributing and in what way, but im talking in general.

[DaveJord]

I am going to say is COVID...99.99% of people survived COVID. Regardless if they got vaxed or not, wore a mask or not... 99.99% of the entire living population survived it. That's a fact, regardless if they had it or not... 99.99% of people survived it and probably would of have survived it regardless of any mandate.

So how many healthy hard working people lost their businesses, or were laid off? Because.001% of the population might get sick or die?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@DaveJord first it doesn't have that big if a survival rate is 96.4% as said by the WHO. That doesn't take into account the ones that will die due to the permanent damage to their lungs and heart. It was enough to kill 6.14 million people worldwide.
Yes the mask and vaccine both reduce the spread. And the vaccine does increases the chances of survival.
Now, if all was done normally, nothing done about it, I wonder how many would have died.

[DaveJord]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Don't get me started on this one. 979,000 died in the United States, out of a total population of 329,500,00. So do the math on that. That's.297% so since you want to be a smarty pants that means 99.703% survival rate silly.

See this is what I am talking about... healthy people "Strong" people do not die of COVID... but lets dramatically change society and ruin healthy and strong peoples live's, because normal people can't do math any more and want to freak out. Seriously there's 329,500,00 people in the United States for it to be 1 whole percent you would 3,295,000 million people to die. And still we are not talking about the top 1% of the society we are talking about mostly elderly or people with pre-existing conditions.

The global population on earth 7,794,798,739... that's 7.8 billion and scientist say the earth can support approximately 10 billion because mass famine break out do to lack of fresh water resources... so again 6 million people dying of COVID is Darwinism to me... so don't cry to me about how I should care about how many people died in India, Africa or somewhere else and that we should all to more.

[noamazia]

okay... wtf, why has my replies become a debate about covid?
viruses are actually the least important factor from what i said since it makes the body evolve its immune system and make it stronger.
my point is that can we us being tougher make people become productive for society or at least not harm the future.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Silly of you to think your math is worth more than the actual knowledge of the World Health Organization. But good try. Very deluded of you, but good try.

They very much do. Everyone from world class athletes and young children already died to it. But let's say it only kills the sick and elderly. Is that a reason to let it run rampant then?
Are their lives something so inconvenient to you? The people who lose their love ones and the people who lose their lives?
So horrible if you do actually care for someone else other than yourself.

You say that society is weaker? You confusing weakness with humanity.
Why should you care? Don't. People like you never will until it hits close to home. I am actually proud of a society that refuses to let their own die. Instead of listening to a few selfish fools.

[DaveJord]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I am clapping for you, you can get on with it..

@noamazia My bad for bringing up the COVID and hijackings you post I should of known some tender heart would jump on it... but yes I agree with your general point. If you give sooo much special attention to people that are mentally or physically unable to contribute in same way to society, aren't your really taking something away from people who are contributing and building up society?

For example we can't do better to help kids these days with college tuition, or universal health care... but dump 100's of millions and eventually billions into welfare, unemployment and god knows what else other then funding schools so morons can learn to do math for themselves and see through the bull shit. Maybe they are victims of lowering of standards themselves and not even know it.

What's the point in being strong and working hard to make sure you never fall into that trap, when can just such of the nipple of society for free, without ever improving yourself or giving back. Which was my over all point, as well.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@DaveJord not at all. There is no amount of attention you can give to mentally if physically hill people that will take away from the rest. Far to much of a minority.
Besides with that help, they can also manage to contribute to the development of the society.

I fully support education. We learn to do math and also to listen to people who actually know what they are talking about. You get a grasp on how the world works and the amount of idiocy that runs around.

You seem to think one can just live out of the kindness of society. Society is not kind with the people you described. Not even close. They have to improve more than anyone.

[EnglishEuropean]

In nature only the strong survive. Or, as Darwin supposedly said, "survival of the fittest". With technology we've put ourselves above nature but that has also made us weak. No doubt nature will find other ways of dealing with us.

[KerryJulia78fd]

I think society subconciously does it yeah. I feel like it was more commnon in the olden days for the US to publicly embrace strength (think of the Reagan years?) but now we focus on weakness and we constantly talk about lack of privledge. Of course those things exist and are a problem; but the media, politicans, and buisnesses obsess over this.

[ms_and_ms]

I think society has too many participation trophies

[jshm2]

Nah, you used a lot of words to say nothing.

What you mean to ask was why people feel the need to celebrate things that don't need to be celebrated.

It's simply because democracies poison themselves over time. Hence why they have always failed since the first one created by the Athenians.

There are only so many rights you can give before you start giving rights to those that abuse others and legally protecting them.

[DaveJord]

You made a very good point based upon my useless words. Its called Social Collapse Theory and/or General System Collapse Theory.

Societal collapse (also known as civilizational collapse) is the fall of a complex human society characterized by the loss of cultural identity and of socioeconomic complexity, the downfall of government, and the rise of violence.

General Systems Collapse Theory - proposes that societal collapse results from an increase in social complexity beyond a sustainable level, leading people to revert to simpler ways of life.

Basically you give so many specials benefits to people that system becomes so complex that most people withdraw from it because the Strong become so marginalized they get no benefit from participating in the process any more.

[hahahmm]

In the bible that 'meek' means humble. You can be strong yet have the self-control not to misuse/abuse your power. Although it's probably more about spiritual stuff than physical. The person who thinks they don't need God isn't meek. That said, sure, western society is devolving fast and part of it is people have put feelings ahead of doing what's right/best.

[BoobMan]

Yup. You should try to practice success--not failure.

[DaveJord]

I intentionally did want to provide examples, because I don't want it to become about politics... but maybe you can see an example for yourself in which you think there is a conflict between catering to a very small community, at an expense greater to than any benefit.

Just think of something that 100 years ago that was relatively simple, that in todays world we have over complicated by catering to a excessively over sensitive group of people that gives them a disproportionate say or influence within society today.

[Annotations]

I believe that strength, beauty, and success should be something people strive for. Striving for the opposite goes against nature.

[007kingifrit]

we do exactly that. it's the 3rd and final phase of civilization; the age of decadence.

in it we prioritize kindness and being nice over protecting our institutions

[moonpie89]

I agree with your view

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Can you give a practical example of this?