After abortion is outlawed, should the birth control pill be outlawed as well?

[Anonymous]

The contraceptive pill was the main responsible for female sexual liberation, so it is urgent that we make it illegal again.

[t-8900]

I'm against abortion when it's not to save the woman's life, or if she's raped, or if someone is so severely wrong with the baby that it will only know misery and die. Those things are discussions for a woman and her health care provider. I do think that the rest of the cases for abortion are unethical and that's my opinion and my religious views. However, contraceptives should NOT in any way be removed because many, many people will still have sex regardless and then this WILL encourage more abortions legal or otherwise and also it can ruin the lives of stupid young people who can't think long term due to their hormones blinding them. I

think women should be able to at any time get a free IUD and a birth control regiment AFTER being educated on the risks. For men that never want kids, they should be getting snipped. For men that werent ready but now have a kid we should provide counseling to help him through it, same for the woman. Mental health evaluations and counseling should be universally free because it not only affects the parent but their children, their families, their communities, and thus greater society. I'm not unsympathetic to women on this issue. I just PERSONALLY find abortion highly immoral in the vast majority of cases. But I'm willing to meet in the middle on the issue and have a discussion IF the person is sincere and not vulgar on the issue.

[Exterminatore]

No. I’m 100% against abortion. I’m also 100% in favor of the pill and contraceptives.


Abortion is not a woman’s rights issue. No one is contesting what women do with their bodies. What people are contesting is what they do to the person growing within them.


Let’s stop with the cognitive distortions. Calling abortion a woman’s rights issue is a slick way of manipulating feeble minded people into endorsing abortion. I know that. You know that. So does the person that tried coining that concept. The baby/fetus and the mother are 2 separate people. No you say? Then why can a person be tried for 2 murders in most states when he kills a pregnant woman?


Even our own elected officials can’t seem to agree. Woman wants an abortion? No murder. Woman doesn’t want an abortion and had her fetus beaten out of her - murder. Which is it then? Can’t be both. Either it’s a fetus and just a mass of cells or it’s a person. Can’t be both. Can’t have 2 separate standards. The determining factor isn’t what does the woman say either.


Love the word games with ‘fetus’ too. As in: “oh it’s only 25 weeks old, yeah it can feel pain, but who cares, it’s just a clump of cells…. a fetus if you will.”

[Tornado92]

U only care about ur kind the white babies!
U can care less if it's a black baby that gets aborted!!!

[Esperanto]

@Tornado92 Waw, do you personally know Exterminatore, or you just go through life hating and branding people that don't think as you do? You must live a very lonely and miserable life.

[Exterminatore]

@torando92.

That’s untrue. I don’t want to see any babies of any race aborted.

[Exterminatore]

@Esperanto

Who am I branding? Abortion is murder. Those who commit abortion are murders.

Either murdering a fetus against the mothers wishes is murder or it isn’t, it can’t be just a fetus which is expendable If the mother wants but be homicide when the mother intends to keep it. One standard. Apparently the courts agree in some cases the killing of a fetus is murder. Am I not allowed to disagree?

[Esperanto]

My reply was to @torando92.

[tokyolights]

Birth control regulates hormones (The Pill version at least) so it helps some ladies live life normally during that one week each month. I am on the pill so that my cramps aren't so bad that I can't function properly for 5 days. Some women have extreme blood flow so they need it to make sure that they don't get sick because of blood loss. Birth control is used for many other things then a contraceptive. Men do not have the same hormone cycles as we do so they do not have the same experiences, plain and simple. Sex is NOT the only reason that Women get prescription Birth control.

[Guy__]

Is there no alternative like eating better food and a better lifestyle? Because the frogs are turning gay from all the man/woman made chemicals in our water.

[tokyolights]

For some people things like food and exercise can help, but in most circumstances the symptoms im talking about are genetic and things like that have minimal effect, Also I don't see how exactly frogs and human made chemicals relate to women having a choice to not live in pain and have unwanted children. Our world is overpopulated as it is, there is no need for more children to clog the adoption system then there already is.

[Guy__]

The world is not overpopulated, that's just the propaganda made b6 the rich, and the toxic chemicals can be avoided. The pills while aren't the only cause, they contribute to making the frogs gay.
Doctors are just trained to prescribe shit when it can be avoided with an improved lifestyle. There definitely are people taking pills who don't need them. Many women regret taking them for their side effects. I'm not telling anyone what to do, you decide.

[Random_dude21]

@Guy__ do you genuinely believe that frogs are turning gay? Bruh are you stupid or something?

[Random_dude21]

@Guy__ and doctors prescribe pills that a better lifestyle literally could do nothing for, like adhd, maybe severe depression, bipolar disorders cancer literally anything that is caused by a genetic problem or a chemical imbalance of the brain

[Guy__]

I just won't argue, random dude.

[Asker]

The promiscuity of women must be eliminated.

[Guy__]

Let's do so by improving the quality of men, so that the women are finally satisfied. It's no secret that modern males are feminized.

[tokyolights]

@Guy__ I think the "modern feminized men" thing is kinda a complement, or at least it should be. Being female should not be derogatory in any way lol. And usually the term is thrown around when a guy can express feelings and his emotions like any human should, so I can't see how it's a bad thing.

[Guy__]

I totally respect what you said. I'm talking about average sperm counts dropping 60% during past 5 decades, so did testosterone levels.
Higher androgen levels actually help you not give AF about being made fun of, even when you cry, so you're more in touch with your own feelings... than you would be when you're worried about other people's opinions.

[LindsayR07]

@Guy__ I would LOVE to see your medical degree, you obviously think you know more than those who are obviously better educated, and better than those with LIVED experiences rather than what you heard somewhere.

[Guy__]

Are we worshipping titles here? Might as well obey the criminals like Fauci.
Anyhow do your own thinking. What exactly is it that intrigued you, that humans aren't meant to be sick all the time? That there are excess pills and surgeries doing more harm than good to some people? Or the male fertility statistics?

[dustybiker]

It’s used to control more than pregnancy. Birth control medications that regulate hormones are also used to control a number of common cancers, non-cancerous tumors, and a number of other medical conditions. It will never happen. The medical community wouldn’t allow it.

“Abortion” is so much more than just controlling a tiny% of woman who use it as a form of birth control itself.

So many people need to better educate themselves….

[OlderAndWiser]

Strongly disagree. Birth control prevents a life from being created; abortion ends a life. Life begins at conception, not BEFORE conception.

[Cubus]

Excpet some birth control can prevent an egg from implanting in the wall of the womb, killing it.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Cubus Good point. I do not approve of killing any fertilized egg.

[UCrayCray]

@OlderAndWiser
Women’s bodies do it all the time. Are we all murderers?

[OlderAndWiser]

@UCrayCray Dying as a result of natural causes is not the same thing as being murdered.

[UCrayCray]

You didn’t make the distinction. And you said you don’t approve of something nature does 70% of the time. Even nature doesn’t give a fertilized egg as much importance as you do.

[OlderAndWiser]

@UCrayCray I used the word "killing." Is English a second language for you?

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t know, man. There are way too many humans. If I had my druthers, I’d straight up genocide like 7/8ths of us. The last thing we need are more babies being born, especially to our deplorable species, so I’m pro-anything that drastically cuts the human population currently and in the future. Gotta get a handle on this, you can’t just breed all willy-nilly and then live outside of the bounds of nature, that’s simply not sustainable. Either breed willy-nilly and most of us die before 40, or we can live artificially longer lives but curtail the breeding. You simply cannot have both.

[BCA6010]

You'd have to ask each individual state that question, because overturning Roe v Wade strips that authority from the federal level and sends it down to the states.

Personally, I doubt it. Even the states who will likely ban abortion outright would be hesitant to go that far at least in the immediate future. Most states that put their own limits on abortion will pass "heartbeat bills" and leave it at that. By popular poll, this is by far the most widely accepted benchmark in regards to abortion ethics, so from a politician standpoint, it's the easiest, laziest "victory" that an ostensibly pro-life state administration can pass with approval.

[Moose304]

For the record, IF SCOTUS does overturn Row V Wade it is NOT outlawing abortions. It is leaving those decisions to the states. There will always be abortions in the US. Yes, some women will have to travel. However, I see groups start establishing places for them to stay in the states that will still allow them. Also helping with the travel expenses. I have ZERO opinion on abortion in the US. I am just attempting to clear the air. To the best of my knowledge family planning and birth control have not been illegal in my lifetime. Even in the states that might prohibit abortions, I still see birth control being fully legal.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Sure, right after we make it a crime for a man to get a women pregnant. Lets do that part first, make it a felony. The burden should be on men to not want to have sex or partake in the act. Often men are pushy and pressure women into it anyways.

Plus birth control is for more than just pregnancy preventing, there are doctors who prescribe it for a slew of other things, unrelated to sex.

[coffee_hates_me]

Lol, this question sounds parodistic. Like it's so absurd that it only could unironically come from a fringe absolutist radical/ totalitarian puritan (who is most likely staunchly religious). But of course not. If this is federally outlawed, then protected sex should be criminal and so the impact this will have on the general population's health and wellness will be devastating and not just to people's physical health

[ChrisMaster69]

Obvious trolling, no one is that stupid… oh yeah with religious lot it is the norm.

Fucking stupid idea, proves how fucking stupid some people can be.

Its a level of stupidity only those into religion can achieve.

Look at Ireland and learn from what happened.

[Andres77]

What happened in Ireland?

[ChrisMaster69]

@Andres77 can you imagine contraception banned, abortions banned, poverty, religious care home ran by nuns and priests.

[Andres77]

Contraception is really banned in Ireland?

[ChrisMaster69]

@Andres77 it was until 70’s / 80’s

[Oigit]

Outlawing abortion and birth control will have same result as prohibition and the war on drugs. It will create a illegal market. So instead of completely eliminating both people will create and illegal market for both. A illegal market that will give women access to both and allow a lot of people involved in the illegal market to become very wealthy.

[behnam1999]

Stopping promiscuity is not that simple, especially since it has been part of a culture for a long time. It has already been internalized by the society. You need to start with the media, how can you stop it when TV shows, movies and other programs preach this as a normal thing? How can you stop it when we have websites for pornographic content!! Stopping promiscuity requires large-scale measures and steps and it can't happen overnight!! And it's not just about women, it's about men too!!

[Guy13]

Isn’t birth control something girls take monthly…kind of like pampering❓Is that any different than having tubes tied where one has created an environment where pregnancy 🤰🏻 is impossible ❓ I’m a guy, female systems, besides where and how to tap those O spots is all I know ❓
—A woman that actually knows would be nice ‼️

[BeMuse]

The matter at hand is that the federal government doesn't constitutionally have the jurisdiction to mandate public health decisions. Those decisions have to be made at the state or local level. This holds true for vaccinations, quarantines, abortions, etc. The federal government doesn't have the authority to ban or legalize those issues, because the power to do so is held by the states.

[Wavvygurl]

Are you going to make it illegal for men to leave women and go about their lives if he gets her pregnant? It takes two for a baby to happen, so if you want to make women liable, then make men accountable too.

[Exterminatore]

No, but he’s going to make it illegal for women to let complete losers stick their penis into them and ejaculate when she’s not using contraceptives.

My question for women: Since you knew from the get go he was a complete turd why did you let him shoot a load in your vagina, especially when you knew he’d never stick around if he got you pregnant?

[Exterminatore]

Also, men can’t get pregnant. No woman should ever complain about being pregnant when she didn’t want to be. Storks don’t drop babies off. We all know how they are made and how to prevent it.

[HighValue]

No. contraceptive pills are good for couples to use to likely delay the chance of getting pregnant while their relationship is newer, or when they are making major life changes such as moving locations or changing careers. They can also be used after a woman has a kid so she can take a year to fully recover before risking getting pregnant again.

[jshm2]

WTF, put down the crackpipe, son.

Abortion and contraception are very different things.

It's like trying to compare home security features with stand your ground laws.

In your tiny mind they look the same, but to the more educated, they are not.

[ChooChooHaha]

No.
I take it for medical reasons, so no. Secondly, I'd have to go to some back alley or some shit, or a version of The Silk Road irl, just to get medicine to make me function like a regular human? IDTS!

[Reaper1985]

if Row v Wade gets over turned the topic of abortion then gets handed back to the states to decided for themselves. many deep blue states are likely to have little or no restrictions. many deep red states are likely to have heavy restrictions or block it out right. the rest are likely to have something in between.

[just_a_potato]

Yeah outlaw the thing that would be keeping abortions from happening in the first place. Smart. 🤔

[TonyV]

Hwll no, go fuck yourself.

Good to know you lunatics won't just be satisfied with banning abortion, you idiots want to ban birth control too? Well now it's easy to ignore your asinine requests.

[Cherry234]

Hell fucking no. I don't understand the sickos who want to ban birth control. They seriously need to get their heads examined.

[Asker]

Birth control encourages female promiscuity, which is why it must be eliminated.

[Cherry234]

If women don't use birth control then they're going to end up with unwanted pregnancies. If some women want to have sex and never want children then they can either get tubal ligation or their men can get vasectomies.

[Asker]

You're right, we should also ban tubal ligations then.

[Cherry234]

The fuck? What is wrong with you?

[mobiusforniner]

And female sexual liberation is bad because? Oh you are probably just a virgin who judges women on their sexual experience because you can't get any...

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course.

If a 16 year old girl is raped, you can't have her using contraception. As the maga says. . . she must carry that baby to term, even if it jeopardizes her life.

[Asker]

Yeah. Sure.

[Tornado92]

If the woman is white people , doctors feel sorry for her.
But oh if she's black she gets judged all the time bro.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Tornado92 Well, I don't deny that the most hated person in this society is an unmarried "Black" woman with children. Of course, over the years that has had an effect on African-American Culture.

The thing that is weird is that folks don't seem to know that cultures evolve.

[bamesjond0069]

Yes. Get rid of it. Its unhealthy and changes womens behavior as well.

[Asker]

You do know.

[Lliam]

Outlawing contraceptives is fucking insane.

FUCK any medieval miscreant who supports that. They should be drown in sewage tanks. They have no "right to life".

[mobiusforniner]

Reading these comments on this thread make me think im still in the middle ages. Holy hell have we not improved as a species?

[NorthwestRider]

@mobiusforniner This is why I have a deep hate towards religious people

[SimpleGuy95]

No because that´s something different than abortion because it´s killing a future human being but instead pretend a creation of one especially if it´s not wanted.
Therefore I think that should still be around.

[OldSchool_Metalhead]

Only if condoms can be outlawed too. So we'd all suffer just the same.

Birth control does much more than just prevent pregnancy bro..

[ObscuredBeyond]

Given how often they break, or how many couples just don't bother with them, I find these terms acceptable.

[mobiusforniner]

@ObscuredBeyond and how many times have you. personally experienced a condom break? I use em all the time and haven't broke a single one.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@mobiusforniner : Never used one. My brother has. His second daughter is the result.

[Exterminatore]

@Mobius

I’ve used…. hundreds literally and used them properly every time. Never once had one break or even had a pregnancy scare.

I think the only reason they’re statistically not 100% effective is user error.

[Flower7]

No because birth control pills are prevention of a pregnancy, not termination of a fetus.

[goaded]

Not according to the type of people running the Republican party these days.

partnersofyom.org/.../
"Birth Control Pills

While the main purpose of birth control pills are to keep the sperm from fertilizing the egg, if the pill fails, it can act as an abortifacient. Since the pill thins the lining of the uterus, the fertilized egg (aka the baby) will be expelled from the woman’s body despite its fertilization.

It’s important to be aware of the possibility of abortion when taking a birth control pill."

www.clmagazine.org/.../
"Brett Kavanaugh got into some trouble recently for referring to birth control as an abortifacient. Many were quick to criticize him for his inaccuracies, but was he really that inaccurate? Understanding this issue requires a deeper look at the terminology and science involved."

And don't forget that before Roe came a similar judgement about how it's not the government's business if you use contraception.

[Asker]

My goal is to end female promiscuity, which is why I want to ban the contraceptive pill.

[Flower7]

@Asker Would you want to ban condoms also?

[Esperanto]

@goaded No one is banning contraceptives. Democrats just know that the majority of people don't like abortion after 2 or 3 months so they can't play the abortion card alone, so they make it about other nonsense that people would really oppose, like contraceptives or gay marriage, which will never and should never be banned. Im not for abortion, but I understand women will have a big problem if they don't want a child, so abortion in the first 2 or 3 months, IN MY OPINION, would be acceptable.

[goaded]

@Esperanto The argument against Roe will be the same as that against Griswold v. Connecticut which prohibited the banning of contraceptives in that state. You're probably right that at the moment banning contraceptives doesn't have enough support even among Republicans, but they don't have popular support for overturning Roe, either. The other major decision that is based on the right to privacy is the right to marry someone of the same sex. That's also supported by 70% of the country, and also likely in the crosshairs.

Roe already leaves a lot of leeway for states, but stops them from banning all abortion, particularly in the first "2 or 3 months". That's precisely what many states are going to do.

[Anonymous]

Abortion won't be outlawed and people are against it because they believe life begins at conception. Birth control pills prevent conception, so there is no new life at any point.

[Uannoyme]

Allowing the states to decide on abortion is not outlawing it, so no need to get excited. Do you want birth control outlawed? Why would you want that?

[Anonymous]

If you ban birth control then you can say bye bye to sex without a condom (which most men actually whine about since they never want to use it).

[genericname85]

the point of banning abortions is not to force people to be pregnant. since there's the pill and the condom, there's not really an excuse for being pregnant if you didn't whnat to be pregnant. that's the point.

[Anonymous]

Probably a troll, but sadly there are people who actually believe it should be banned. And it’s silly, without birth control, most of your asses here are never getting laid.

[goaded]

Now that's a protest that might work! On the other hand, maybe the right just wants more violent incels.

[Esperanto]

I hope it gets banned after the 3rd month. The first three months, I would understand due to life changing issues for a women, but why wait 4 or more months, thats just wrong.

[Anonymous]

All men should have their penises cut off. That way there would be no sex and no abortions.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Are you insane?
That thing took more people out of poverty than we know. The fact that couples, not just women, can control when they have kids means they can grind for a stable job and only then have kids.

[Anonymous]

Gee here’s a thought to stopping female promiscuity, how about stopping male promiscuity?

[BillyBalls]

What about women actually taking control of their bodies and not getting pregnant if they don't want a kid?

[Jennajay1719]

@BillyBalls you know how stupid you sound? How about you keep your dick to yourself then

[Opinion Owner]

@Jennajay1719 Exactly, what @billyballs is just echoing what other guys are saying, that women shouldn't have sex if they don't want to get pregnant, well, most women probably wouldn't have sex if their male significant others didn't want it so bad or practically even require it in a relationship. Bascially all these men prove is they don't really care about women, all they want is to get pussy, screw the consequences for that women as long as they get there moment of pleasure.

[Esperanto]

@Opinion Owner... And knowing that, you still open your legs to those kind of men? If you know many men act like predators, why do women have sex wit them? You stated that many women wouldn't have sex if the guy didn't want it so badly, I wonder why strong independent woman give in so easily to as-holes that don't give a damn about them?

[Opinion Owner]

@Esperanto I honestly don't know because I only have sex with guys I'm in a relationship with and I am always on the same page with them about what to in case we get pregnant but plenty of married women and women in relationhips have abortions, it's not just those having hookups. In any case, what irritates me is the men that blame it all on the women. I just really think to solve the problem of unplanned pregnancies the focus can't just be on female promiscutity and irresponsibilty it needs to be on male promiscutity and irresponsibity too.

[Esperanto]

I agree 100% on blaming both parties, however I can't understand why if women have a lot more to loose, they don't take better care of themselves as you do. Maybe telling women all the time that they can get an abortion on demand, is not helping.

[Opinion Owner]

@Esperanto Yeah, I see your point there, and I honestly hope something does change so they don't find themselves in desperate situations if and when the law changes.

[Esperanto]

Being a man, I don't know the answer to this, maybe you can help: Why don't all woman take contraceptives and te abortion issue would be mute?

[Opinion Owner]

@Esperanto Even some of the most effective contraceptives like the pill, the patch, nuvaring etc. are only 99 percent effective, so even when taken perfectly about 1 out of 100 women will get pregnant after a year of use. So while it would reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies it wouldn't eliminate them entirely. I strongly support making contraceptives more afforadable and accessible though particulalry long acting reversibles, like injections, implants and IUDs.

[BillyBalls]

@Jennajay1719 You'll never have the pleasure of getting Dicked by me!!!

Also, please never reproduce. The world already has enough low IQ people.

[Jennajay1719]

@BillyBalls yeah dont worry I wouldn't want you anyways lol you probably have a micro dick. Keep your dick to yourself we don't need slow ass people reproducing as it took you 10 days to reply 😂

[Anonymous]

I am only ok with it when men get legally forced to have a vasectomy, when her wife/partner wants it after giving birth to his kids.

[Opinion Owner]

I know you are not serious. But if someone is serious against contraceptives, they should not complain about single mums

[Asker]

Single mothers are societal castoffs, and of course she was serious.

[Opinion Owner]

She was?

[Opinion Owner]

If you ban contraceptives you have no right to complain about single parents or teenage mums/dads since majority of western people ain't waiting till marriage

[Opinion Owner]

If you ban contraceptives, you will cause more single mums/dads etc. Do you really want this? I also dont understand why you interfere yourself in female sexuality. Would you be ok with chasity cage for men to reduce male promiscuity. I still dont believe you are serious.

[Random_dude21]

Must be pretty stupid to ban contraceptives tbh

[Anonymous]

Scared of independent women are you? Need the government to keep them docile so you tame one for yourself? 🙄

[Asker]

Exactly

[Esperanto]

I love independent women, its the way it should always be. But that has nothing to do with abortion.

[Opinion Owner]

@Esperanto
We are not talking about abortion. We are talking about birth control and the idea that it should be outlawed in an effort to stifle female sexual liberation.
Sounds like someone needs their women docile

[Esperanto]

@OpinionOwner There is no way any State will ban contraception. Its just a stupid topic to foment women to get angry. Don't bite, its like someone trying to the table a topic like not letting women vote, it will never happen. Lets focus on the issues that can really happen, like policing free speech.

[Opinion Owner]

@esperanto
The Mississippi governor side stepped and avoided answering when questioned about a ban on birth control. All he said was it wasn’t their focus. If banning BC wasn’t something that is in the pipeline, he would have laughed it off as ridiculous.
But he didn’t.
People said overturning Roe wasn’t going to happen either.

[Esperanto]

Republicans always said they wanted the SC to overturn R vs W, cause its undemocratic for 9 individuals to rule in such an important issue. Let the millions of voters decide in each state. Be sure Birth control will never be outlawed, its just plane stupid to think otherwise. Voters will never allow it.

[Opinion Owner]

@Esperanto
Uh-huh.
Guess we’ll see

[Philyouup]

the Evangelical whites want to force there morality down everyone’s throats. so anything protected under the 14th amendment that is not “ Christian” is in danger.

[NorthwestRider]

I think we should arrest the Evangelical whites asap

[Philyouup]

lol. all or them

[NorthwestRider]

Everyone who wants to push their backwards religious views on society

[Philyouup]

having religious views and morals shoved up my ass like some jail house cell mate. doesn’t sit well with me

[NorthwestRider]

I do not like religious people, they can't leave people alone

[Chiarac2003]

Abortion will not be “outlawed”… so a mute hypothetical 🎀

[goaded]

It will become illegal in over 20 states covering something like 40% of women as soon as Roe is overturned.

[Chiarac2003]

@goaded negative… maybe the 40% of women want an abortion at like 25weeks. That’s wrong 🎀

[Cherry234]

@Chiarac2003 Why would a woman get an abortion at 25 weeks unless her life is in danger? Most women don't wait that long.

[goaded]

That's also not covered by the existing law which defines viability at 23-24 weeks. (Planned Parenthood v. Casey.) Only a tiny fraction occur after 20 weeks, and those will overwhelmingly be because of major problems.

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[Guy13]

Not in Canada…especially with that Liberal madman you’ve got you believes in depopulating the world…and sees the womb as a Hitlerian Gas Chamber exterminating Life. The emergence of two genetic codes at Conception is Identity. It’s premeditated Murder..

[Chiarac2003]

@Guy13 oh come on now… u shouldn’t hold back ur opinion 😂😂😂😂😂

[Guy13]

I’m serious though. No one self-conceived or self-started, therefore, we were created in the image of God. Our bodies are not our own. And we know Right from Wrong with conscious. And we can freely chose. And at Conception the merging of two genetic codes is Identity…Life. How can it be Right or not Murder to have an abortion. It’s not difficult given AT conception, Identity is formed.

[Esperanto]

@goaded Let the people vote in each State, its called democracy. 9 dudes in a robe shouldn't decide such an important matter. Its out of control when some nut jobs want abortion in the 9th month or partial birth, that was going too far and this is the result of it. Really, what normal person would kill a baby in the 7,8 or 9th month. Put it to a vote and lets see what happens. 2 or 3 months acceptable, more than that is a monstruosity.

[Guy13]

I get that, however, either you are in or you are out. The partial abortion based on circumstance are still pro-abortion.-That’s God’s sovereign plan…image bearer in that Womb. It’s very clear cut to me…especially after talking to Nurses who left the butchery when an aborted baby was still thriving. Can you imagine experimenting on babies like the Nazis…that’s what we are doing with the kill then drug research. Always about 💰 for all parties. Mommas, butchers, and Medical/PHARMA Research…

[Chiarac2003]

@Guy13 I understand… but slightly off topic.. n not sure this was my question… but I’m getting soooo much response to my opinion.

[Guy13]

That’s not your 🧠, by the way. That’s your pic. 🖼. I’ll prove it…post a question like “what color is the sky?” Boys are Boys…

[Guy13]

🧠 emoji did t take

[Guy13]

Brain 🧠

[Guy__]

The esoteric meaning of "man created in god's image" is debatable.

I do see depopulation very clearly, but aborting doesn't have a significant impact.

If anything I'd ban pills before banning abortions because pills end up in men's bodies and chemically castrate them, not only making them sexually impotent and infertile but mentally too.
Women aren't attracted to cry babies, and this way the desire to reproduce isn't even there.
Both testosterone levels and sperm counts on average dropped 50-60% in the past 50 years, that has a bigger impact on depopulation... again, not just from inability to conceive but also how low testosterone makes us weak and ruins relationships.

[goaded]

@Esperanto 2-3 months is what Roe allows for. States are reducing that to zero, some including in cases of rape and incest.

Did you look at the graph I posted? Virtually no-one has late abortions, and the later ones are usually due to the fetus or woman having serious problems (or states making it hard to get one). Banning those abortions has its own problems. Nobody goes through six months of pregnancy and then decides they don't want a baby.

[Esperanto]

@goaded 2008: 17,500 (13,800 to 23,000)
2015: 12,300 (9,600 to 16,400)
2018: 11,500 (9,100 to 15,400)
Thats the number of late term abortion for those years that I found in a website. Since little or no data are available on abortions by gestational age for five states (California, Florida, Massachusetts, Maryland, and New Hampshire) which account for 30% of total U. S. abortions, the overall U. S. figures are uncertain. I don't think those figures are irrelevant.

[goaded]

@Esperanto So, I see the numbers went down by about a third in ten years. How many abortions are there a year? 2018: 619,591. Most of those late term abortions (many of which will still be before viability) are because of health issues for the fetus or the woman. You'd be making those abortions illegal, wouldn't you?

[Esperanto]

@goaded Neither you nor I know why the late term abortions took place, lets not make up facts.

[goaded]

@Esperanto You think women just decide, after months of carrying a fetus, to abort?

[goaded]

"One-third of late terminations of pregnancy could have been avoided by more efficient screening in the second trimester. However, because fetal prognosis is not always clear when a malformation is diagnosed, postponing the decision until fetal development allows more thorough evaluation and may avoid unnecessary termination of pregnancy in the second trimester. This could be the main beneficial aspect of not setting a limit to the gestational age for performing termination of pregnancy."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10426234/

I expect the number could be significantly be reduced by granting, say, $1million to any woman who gives birth to a brain-damaged child.

[Esperanto]

@goaded Well, lets agree that in cases of malformation and proven risk of death to the mother only, 3rd trimester abortion would be acceptable, and we could then agree that in no other case it would be acceptable after the 1st trimester?

[goaded]

@Esperanto How would that differ from the current situation? Roe only stops states from regulating abortions in the first trimester.

In answer to your question, no. There are also valid reasons for second trimester abortions (especially if women have been artificially delayed from obtaining an abortion by laws that only increase suffering). I think it would be better "policed" by a code of conduct among doctors. Unjustifiable abortions should be treated as malpractice.

[caitycat21]

Nah but I do think people like toy should be abolished

[Anonymous]

Don't you guys think it's funny when incels promote ideas that will perpetuate their incelness

[OddBeMe]

Yes. And then take away their right to vote, kick em back into the kitchen.

[Asker]

Exactly.

[OddBeMe]

Wrong

[Anonymous]

1) Abortion is not being outlawed. Educate yourself, stop being a sheep.
2) Supply for contraception would probably INCREASE since people would need to be smarter about sex and not rely on abortion.

[John_Doesnt]

Yes, we will have an entire generation of unwanted pregnancies; poverty and crime will skyrocket. Just how Republicans like it.

[EnglishEuropean]

That would be hard to justify on pro-life grounds because there's no cute fetus being dismembered. On the other hand I'm sure the Pope and his goons would support it.

[007kingifrit]

abortion will never be "outlawed" 80% of americans support some kind of abortion being restricted yes

but 70% of americans support some kind of abortion being legal

[Anonymous]

Why in the world would anyone want to outlaw birth control?

[goaded]

Because they're religious nuts.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Meh, I know lots of religious people and none of them are against birth control. I know there are some people who are but they are a tiny minority.

[goaded]

And yet they've taken over the supreme court because Republicans needed their votes.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Are you saying abortion is birth control?

[goaded]

Hell, no, but the people who put Kavanaugh in place do.

partnersofyom.org/.../
"Birth Control Pills

While the main purpose of birth control pills are to keep the sperm from fertilizing the egg, if the pill fails, it can act as an abortifacient. Since the pill thins the lining of the uterus, the fertilized egg (aka the baby) will be expelled from the woman’s body despite its fertilization.

It’s important to be aware of the possibility of abortion when taking a birth control pill."

www.clmagazine.org/.../

"Brett Kavanaugh got into some trouble recently for referring to birth control as an abortifacient. Many were quick to criticize him for his inaccuracies, but was he really that inaccurate? Understanding this issue requires a deeper look at the terminology and science involved."

And don't forget that before Roe came a similar judgement about how it's not the government's business if you use contraception.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Wow, I didn't know those were the people who put Kavanaugh in place. I didn't think it worked like that. You mean a religious group can appoint a Supreme Court judge?

[goaded]

A political party with no morals can appoint such a Supreme Court judge, if they need the evangelical vote, yes. It may destroy the country, but otherwise they'll not have the power they want. Every one of the "justices" voting to overturn Roe were opposed by more than 40 Senators.

[Esperanto]

@goaded Don't worry, Im catholic and ok with using birth control. Of course there are some religious nuts, but I would bet that not even 1% would vote against contraception.

[Opinion Owner]

@Esperanto The percentage of Americans, even religious ones, who are against birth control is tiny, so I agree there's nothing to worry about.

@goaded It's funny you say they have no morals when that's exactly what they say about people like you.

[goaded]

I'm not the one working against the wishes of 70% of the country.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Source?

Regardless, you can leave "morality" out of it because it's an unsupportable argument on either side of this debate.

[Esperanto]

@goaded Excuse me but 70% of Americans are not in favor of abortions over te 1st trimester, not even close The new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds 61% of Americans say abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances in the first trimester of a pregnancy. However, 65% said abortion should usually be illegal in the second trimester, and 80% said that about the third trimester..

[goaded]

@Esperanto The "other side" of those poll questions include people who think it should be illegal in most (not all) circumstances. Support for making all abortions illegal without exception is limited to 8%.


www.pewresearch.org/.../

[Esperanto]

The supreme court is not outlawing abortion, its just allowing each state to vote on how to handle it.

[goaded]

In the sure and certain knowledge that 20-odd states where it will instantly become illegal.

[goaded]

Sorry, that's "just" a dozen states with specific laws that come into effect in that case, the rest will simply revert to the status quo ante from 1973.

[ArtemisSilver]

Seems a bit extreme. Civil wars have been fought over less.

[Twalli]

You really want women who become pregnant to risk death

[Asker]

Yeah, sure.

[LindsayR07]

That is a disgusting perspective.

[Snakeyes7]

No. Those help in the prevention of pregnancy. It wouldn't make any sense to ban them.

[Smegskull]

I don't think so...
And if they were banned it would have to be for an entirely unrelated reason like the aging population problem or something.

[Anonymous]

What the hell is this Handmaid’s Tale crap? Why would people want people to get pregnant and have less sex?

[LindsayR07]

To punish the women who go against their god and have sex before marriage.

[Esperanto]

What I don't understand is why women risk so much in order to sleep with scum?

[LindsayR07]

@Esperanto because apparently they're better in bed than you are? You obviously have some serious resentment issues going on here... How long has it been?

[Opinion Owner]

It would just promote butt sex and dick sucking. Maybe these guys just fear vaginas

[LindsayR07]

I think that's exactly it... They say that once you experience something it's not as scary... Smells kinda like incel beta in here.

[Esperanto]

@LindsayR07 Happily married for 25 years. I guess you'll never know what being truly loved by one amazing person feels like.

[LindsayR07]

@Esperanto I am, and we are blessed to have found each other... But just because you're married doesn't mean you're not an incel... Sexless marriages are common.

[Esperanto]

@LindsayR07 Jajajaj, I just googled whats an incel. Im from Mexico and not too familiar with those new terms. Lucky for me that I never put too much value on other people lies, but learned over the years that when someone uses those kind of quasi insults, its usually a reflection of what they are going through. I sincerely hope Im wrong in your case, cause the fact that we disagree in an issue, doesn't make me want you to have a bad life.

[Anonymous]

Might as well, under the new world order having relations of a sexual nature will be a privilege of the rich and societally attractive

[BillyBalls]

If people actually used the pill, abortion wouldn't be an issue.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps we should be diplomatic and not outlaw birth control pills. Just make it exclusively aviable to be purchased by men.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Birth control is a disgusting and toxic substance for the body

[SnakeBoop]

congratulations on a troll of the day award

[Drumlin2001]

Absolutely not. And abortion should be legal too

[Dargil]

I doubt it will and it should not be.

[Echosoul]

This question has to be sarcastic right... Right?