
What’s wrong with getting Replaced by better or less costly workers?


- It isn't about 'protecting white people' but if you want good quality work you aren't going to get it for less money. And if you want competent employees you aren't going to get that from someone who's never done the job and has no experience.
That has absolutely zero to do with race and EVERYTHING to do with corporations outsourcing and letting otherwise great products go to shit for the sheer sake of cost. It's also why China has tons of sweatshops and a bunch of kids working twelve or more hours a day for literal nickels. So great, let's just keep the sweatshops up and running.Is this still revelant?You know you just outlined the plan of THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA Joe Biden President
nice work you did a lot of good work to make it understood without having to write a novella about it.
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@DARKCLOUD1945X thank you!
I try really hard to be concise about these kinds of topics since people tend to get touchy, but after a couple years of talking to a lot of people about it I learned how to get the point across without ruffling too many feathers I think.
Which I think is really important if we're going to make any actual progress as a society and stop fighting over made up crap.
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- Sounds good, so you'll be the first to give up your sinecure to a better/less costly person?
What you're suggesting was the same thinking throughout history behind the importation of slaves. And not only was slave labor used by Communists, Nazis and other very unsavory regimes, but 'better" is a subjective term. Does that mean unable or less willing to assert their rights under the law? Willing to work off the books? The use of slave or cheap labor also discourages improvements in automation and management methods and besides creating instability and structural unemployment, it adds additional huge social costs in an economy. If a person has to constantly worry about being made redundant, are they going to spend anything but the bare minimum?Is this still revelant?I already go up against other companies who try their hardest to beat me. Sometimes they do.
I think we Americans expect too much from minimal effort.Some people do, but they are in the minority.
But of course you aren’t willing to give up your job to someone willing to work for less. And allowing a revolving door based on ever-lower wages isn’t a good business practice.I think you’re confused. One does not give up the job. They’re replaced by those who know they’re useless. If my clients wish to do so, nothing stopping them.
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Are you only talking about your company or are you making general statements? Don’t be cryptic. Also remember that we don’t know your business model.
- With the development of more and more automation there will be fewer jobs for people. Governments must start planning for this now before there is poverty at never seen before levels. I think the tipping point will be when self driving cars are developed.Is this still revelant?
Very true. We need to stop teaching standardized, and start educating innovators. I think parents and schools are more interested in discipline than education.
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- Lmao, no one is replacing white workers. They weren't getting the job in the first place.
Also, immigrants also aren't replacing white workers - robots would be. Automation is the next industrial revolution.
No war but class war.Is this still revelant?
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020- It depends on the timeframe you're talking about.
In the very long term, this ought to be the goal - a "post-industrial society" or "knowledge economy". All those unpleasant, unskilled, low paid jobs can be outsourced abroad, or better yet, done by robots/computers. Meanwhile, you invest heavily in education (your "human capital"), giving you a highly creative and skilled workforce that generates far more wealth, because it can offer premium services and products that nowhere else in the world can compete with.
The problem is that in the short term, you're taking people out of those low value jobs before you've trained them to do the high value jobs, and before those high value jobs even exist, because there hasn't been sufficient investment in education - least of all in the US, which is bordering on anti-intellectual.ReactLike
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Maybe, but investing in education doesn't really help any current unskilled worker - it just helps future generations to avoid a similar fate. If anything, they might pay more tax.
The GOP are also pretty good at getting people to vote against their own self-interests, solely on the basis of a few controversial religious and social issues, like abortion and gun control - overlooking the fact that they're being completely screwed over in every other respect.- Show All Show Less
@MuddyMole I agree; but how can you honestly expect someone to vote for a candidate who wants to take their guns away? It's not gonna happen.
The option you're proposing is an impossible proposal. It's like saying, "I'll give you a thousand dollars, but you have to let me fuck you in the ass."@Jamie05rhs Like you say, it's pointless trying to argue, as minds are already made up. Personally though, I think giving up guns in exchange for universal healthcare would be a pretty damn good deal.
@MuddyMole So if a couple of guys with guns come to take you to the hospital to take you organs, how are you going to fight them?
@Jamie05rhs Haha, that's just a risk I'm willing to take. I'll probably be the first to die in the coming zombie apocalypse too.
- Laissez-faire is unsustainable and necessarily sacrifices the interests of the genetic in-group, for whom the nation-state is founded, in favor of profits for a disloyal cosmopolitan elite class.
Markets are supposed to serve nations, not the other way around.
The shootings will in all likelihood continue until the demographic problems are properly rectified by dismantling the American Empire and partitioning it into a new series of proper nation-states.ReactLike
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- Innocence absolutely nothing, this is why minimum wage in the United States is hurting the United States because we are not allowed to pay our workers a wage that will suit the free market but are we going to become a collective and share everything worked out well for North Korea China Venezuela etc.React
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- So only "white people" can be "expensive" workers? That implies all non-white people are somehow "legally" less expensive to employ, and also supporting that position. That's racist.
The REAL issue is employing illegal immigrants over qualified American citizens. Race is irrelevant.ReactLike
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- Well, you can't have a society with a K-12 school system that teaches softness and empathy and tolerance and understanding, and then throw those very same kids into a world of extreme darwinism. To me, that is just socially unethical. You're setting up your own children to fail.
If you want them to compete with any and every person in the world as an adult, then you need to raise them in a more savage environment as children. No more coddling.ReactLike
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But the inherent societal problem with the USA is that we have become so economically successful that we have actually transitioned into a relatively cushy lifestyle and standard of living as a nation. So we're automatically at a disadvantage to third-world emigrants who come here with desperation and a very high level of motivation (as well as tenacity and resilience).
- were all for lower cost cheaper products until it replaces us... and puts us out of work.React
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So we're supposed to slow progress just because some humans refuse to learn new tricks?
- I'm pretty sure that it's obvious why the death of an entire culture and civilization might be considered a bad thing.React
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- there's nothing wrong with it but it hurts the economyReact
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- Any workers you hire are eventually going to be sick of your shit and they're going to form a union and you're going to be sorry. Try treating people decently and you won't have trouble with them.React
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- Anonymous1 moAs long as these less costly workers are legal citizens who aren’t being used to sway elections, sure.React
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- its ok as long as there's no welfare for the able bodied. Otherwise the free market doesn't workReact
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- Nothing, as long as they are a legal citizen. Again you dumb ass liberals fail to understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration.React
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No we just don’t give a shit about labels. Why should we protect lazy, unskilled citizens when there’s potentially successful illegal immigrants literally dying to get it.
Illegal immigrants are detrimental to the economy because they don’t pay in taxes what they cost.
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please send me evidence. Cuz I got evidence.
research.newamericaneconomy.org/.../
en.wikipedia.org/.../Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States
- Um, the white people aren't the only ones who would get replaced by less costly workers. It would affect ALL current residents of a country.React
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Only if you're unskilled. Why should we protest citizens who refuse to learn new skills?
@OddBeMe Because they're your brothers and sisters and friends and neighbors.
Have you no loyalty?@Jamie05rhs no loyalty to unskilled, lazy Americans mooching off the system. Immigrants are 10x more productive which will make my economic life better. Fck the welfare queens.
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@OddBeMe Mooching off the system? I thought we were talking about taking jobs from working people. Let's try to stay focused here, bud.
@Jamie05rhs they aren't taking jobs. There are job going unfilled. On farms. In factories. Because "citizens" got laid off their old job and don't want to learn new skills.
@OddBeMe You're not making any logical sense. If these people are not being replaced, then they're not even a part of this conversation and your whole line of reasoning is irrelevant.
@Jamie05rhs lazy citizens don't have a problem. Our taxes are paying for them. The illegals you guys hate are willing to work and can't get into the country. That's the issue.
@OddBeMe Look back at your original comment in this thread. Your entire argument has evolved into a completely different animal (in a completely different phylum.)
@Jamie05rhs better or less costly workers. That's what we're debating. Sorry you're losing.
Nope. You went from Replacement Theory to Outsourcing and Automation. Completely different issues.
And immigrants also drive up the cost of housing by competing for scarce resources with current residents. Build more housing? Sorry, there's not enough water here to supply the current population.
@Jamie05rhs I'm talking about replacing citizens with illegals, dummy
@zagor and that's a load of crap. You got some research to back up those claims?Research? People need a place to live, Captain Obvious. And low-income immigrants compete for (relatively) low-cost housing with legal residents trying to scrape by.
And the Governor just today spoke about the need to conserve water.@OddBeMe And how do you think they get to be homeless, Einstein?
It's because they don't have enough income to afford the rent.
- As another user said, raising kids to cooperate and then sending them to a cutthroat work environment is not congruent.React
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- Because they usually aren't.React
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- Such a shameless activist race huckster.React
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- ask the chinese peoples liberation partyReact
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yes, it's just a high-class label they use when asked about their political preference because they really think they are not dumb but everyone else is unfortunately I had to work along side with them. Tiniamian square happened two of their student workers sympathized with them and the head honcho he and she had them send back to china and they said nothing to appalachian state university why.
It’s pretty safe that all political names are opposite of what they advertise. Patriot act?
- Anonymous1 moMarxists are behind the great replacement so no.React
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The Marxists! Damn them! Wait, they want everyone to get paid equally despite the uneducated, or unskilled work they do. That sounds like your side…
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Is this about socialist military spending as a whole or just woke shit you don’t agree with?
1) I’d say teaching soldiers not to rape would be a good thing. Refer to Tailhook.
2) But nothing is more socialist than needless spending on tanks and extra f35 engines.- Opinion Owner1 mo
I'm pretty sure this isn't about rape, rather it's about training the military to have the ideology of the modern left. Reportedly the morale of the military is at an all time low. I don't have an interest in discussing military funding, as far as I'm concerned it's been a ridiculous budget for decades. However, it's obvious this is the service that America offers to the world. It's not like America is a great manufacturer in the world anymore.
- If American , sure , not illegalsReact
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- nothing wrong.React
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