It isn't about 'protecting white people' but if you want good quality work you aren't going to get it for less money. And if you want competent employees you aren't going to get that from someone who's never done the job and has no experience.
That has absolutely zero to do with race and EVERYTHING to do with corporations outsourcing and letting otherwise great products go to shit for the sheer sake of cost. It's also why China has tons of sweatshops and a bunch of kids working twelve or more hours a day for literal nickels. So great, let's just keep the sweatshops up and running.
I try really hard to be concise about these kinds of topics since people tend to get touchy, but after a couple years of talking to a lot of people about it I learned how to get the point across without ruffling too many feathers I think.
Which I think is really important if we're going to make any actual progress as a society and stop fighting over made up crap.
Sounds good, so you'll be the first to give up your sinecure to a better/less costly person?
What you're suggesting was the same thinking throughout history behind the importation of slaves. And not only was slave labor used by Communists, Nazis and other very unsavory regimes, but 'better" is a subjective term. Does that mean unable or less willing to assert their rights under the law? Willing to work off the books? The use of slave or cheap labor also discourages improvements in automation and management methods and besides creating instability and structural unemployment, it adds additional huge social costs in an economy. If a person has to constantly worry about being made redundant, are they going to spend anything but the bare minimum?
But of course you aren’t willing to give up your job to someone willing to work for less. And allowing a revolving door based on ever-lower wages isn’t a good business practice.
I think you’re confused. One does not give up the job. They’re replaced by those who know they’re useless. If my clients wish to do so, nothing stopping them.
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With the development of more and more automation there will be fewer jobs for people. Governments must start planning for this now before there is poverty at never seen before levels. I think the tipping point will be when self driving cars are developed.
Very true. We need to stop teaching standardized, and start educating innovators. I think parents and schools are more interested in discipline than education.
In the very long term, this ought to be the goal - a "post-industrial society" or "knowledge economy". All those unpleasant, unskilled, low paid jobs can be outsourced abroad, or better yet, done by robots/computers. Meanwhile, you invest heavily in education (your "human capital"), giving you a highly creative and skilled workforce that generates far more wealth, because it can offer premium services and products that nowhere else in the world can compete with.
The problem is that in the short term, you're taking people out of those low value jobs before you've trained them to do the high value jobs, and before those high value jobs even exist, because there hasn't been sufficient investment in education - least of all in the US, which is bordering on anti-intellectual.
Maybe, but investing in education doesn't really help any current unskilled worker - it just helps future generations to avoid a similar fate. If anything, they might pay more tax. The GOP are also pretty good at getting people to vote against their own self-interests, solely on the basis of a few controversial religious and social issues, like abortion and gun control - overlooking the fact that they're being completely screwed over in every other respect.
@MuddyMole I agree; but how can you honestly expect someone to vote for a candidate who wants to take their guns away? It's not gonna happen. The option you're proposing is an impossible proposal. It's like saying, "I'll give you a thousand dollars, but you have to let me fuck you in the ass."
@Jamie05rhs Like you say, it's pointless trying to argue, as minds are already made up. Personally though, I think giving up guns in exchange for universal healthcare would be a pretty damn good deal.
Innocence absolutely nothing, this is why minimum wage in the United States is hurting the United States because we are not allowed to pay our workers a wage that will suit the free market but are we going to become a collective and share everything worked out well for North Korea China Venezuela etc.
Laissez-faire is unsustainable and necessarily sacrifices the interests of the genetic in-group, for whom the nation-state is founded, in favor of profits for a disloyal cosmopolitan elite class.
Markets are supposed to serve nations, not the other way around.
The shootings will in all likelihood continue until the demographic problems are properly rectified by dismantling the American Empire and partitioning it into a new series of proper nation-states.
So only "white people" can be "expensive" workers? That implies all non-white people are somehow "legally" less expensive to employ, and also supporting that position. That's racist.
The REAL issue is employing illegal immigrants over qualified American citizens. Race is irrelevant.
Well, you can't have a society with a K-12 school system that teaches softness and empathy and tolerance and understanding, and then throw those very same kids into a world of extreme darwinism. To me, that is just socially unethical. You're setting up your own children to fail. If you want them to compete with any and every person in the world as an adult, then you need to raise them in a more savage environment as children. No more coddling.
But the inherent societal problem with the USA is that we have become so economically successful that we have actually transitioned into a relatively cushy lifestyle and standard of living as a nation. So we're automatically at a disadvantage to third-world emigrants who come here with desperation and a very high level of motivation (as well as tenacity and resilience).
@Jamie05rhs no loyalty to unskilled, lazy Americans mooching off the system. Immigrants are 10x more productive which will make my economic life better. Fck the welfare queens.
@Jamie05rhs they aren't taking jobs. There are job going unfilled. On farms. In factories. Because "citizens" got laid off their old job and don't want to learn new skills.
@OddBeMe You're not making any logical sense. If these people are not being replaced, then they're not even a part of this conversation and your whole line of reasoning is irrelevant.
@Jamie05rhs lazy citizens don't have a problem. Our taxes are paying for them. The illegals you guys hate are willing to work and can't get into the country. That's the issue.
@OddBeMe Look back at your original comment in this thread. Your entire argument has evolved into a completely different animal (in a completely different phylum.)
And immigrants also drive up the cost of housing by competing for scarce resources with current residents. Build more housing? Sorry, there's not enough water here to supply the current population.
Research? People need a place to live, Captain Obvious. And low-income immigrants compete for (relatively) low-cost housing with legal residents trying to scrape by.
And the Governor just today spoke about the need to conserve water.
Any workers you hire are eventually going to be sick of your shit and they're going to form a union and you're going to be sorry. Try treating people decently and you won't have trouble with them.
No we just don’t give a shit about labels. Why should we protect lazy, unskilled citizens when there’s potentially successful illegal immigrants literally dying to get it.
yes, it's just a high-class label they use when asked about their political preference because they really think they are not dumb but everyone else is unfortunately I had to work along side with them. Tiniamian square happened two of their student workers sympathized with them and the head honcho he and she had them send back to china and they said nothing to appalachian state university why.
It's interesting to me that the government is now declaring people with traditional American values as extremists and spending tax dollars to train the military with an ideology that most Americans seem to disagree with.
1) I’d say teaching soldiers not to rape would be a good thing. Refer to Tailhook. 2) But nothing is more socialist than needless spending on tanks and extra f35 engines.
I'm pretty sure this isn't about rape, rather it's about training the military to have the ideology of the modern left. Reportedly the morale of the military is at an all time low. I don't have an interest in discussing military funding, as far as I'm concerned it's been a ridiculous budget for decades. However, it's obvious this is the service that America offers to the world. It's not like America is a great manufacturer in the world anymore.
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