Never understood the counter to this. Mental health check would take a bit and like cars, the govt should know who’s packing. Maybe not the public per se, but at least the cops.
Why is it apocalyptic for you Gun Nuts when we ask you to wait a day or go on a government register when you buy a firearm?
Okay so I drive 2 hours EACH way to a gun show, to look around... I find a gun, then you want me to wait a few days, then drive 2 hours each way again... who the fuck is going to pay for my missed time off from work and gas for the second trip? I get having to pay for it the first time but not a second time, that is unfair.
Isn't this what Democrats are whining about, that its too hard to exercise the right to vote, by making people prove who they are and travel to register and vote? its unfair to have to do so to exercise a right.
The same is said here about guns, its a undue burden and expense of not only money but time.
This is life in Rural America, 4 hours round trip just in the car to go to a show. This is a perfectly valid concern here that should not be ignored.
In regards to mental health check, don't care... cause if mental health issue prevent exercising a right, the next thing to come is who decides what mental health things mean removing a right. Some asshole who thinks having anxiety or depression counts. Of course rape victims are going to have PTSD, anxiety and depression, so they'll say they can't own a gun to protect themselves cause they have mental issues... damn right they do.
As for registering, that is just so the government has a list to confiscate when they decide they want to outlaw certain things. No need for a registry, there is no legitimate reason they need to know this guy owns a thousand guns, or this one only one. There is no limit on how many one can legally own... none of their F'ing business.
Plus a registry and list, could be used by Democrats to start requiring insurance on all gun owners, there has been a lot of talk about that. Requiring gun insurance on each piece someone owns, but they'd need a registry to know who owns what.
Technically it's 4 hours round trip, and if I have to go back a second time then its 8 hours. A problem that the government would create... so I'm good for it, if they pay for my travel time to be fair.
That's all I say, government should not put undue burden on a right. Free background checks, if required. Free return trip if waiting period. Make it all free for whatever, and you'll find support for it.
Want gun safes in every home, fine... hand them out free, nobody will reject them.
You get the idea, if you want something required, the moment you make it a extra cost on a right, you'll get 100% hit a wall and not go any further. Remove the extra cost barrier and you'll still get resistance but far less... plus not hurting the poor the most.
I think the same requirements to prove who you are when you buy a gun should apply to voter ID and reverse, same requirements for voter ID should apply to buying a gun. One cannot get away with buying a gun without proving who you are through a federally licensed firearms dealer. Same should happen for voting, prove who you are.
I also am fine with private sales needing background checks but should be tax payer funded, don't put the burden on the buyer or seller. This includes reimbursement for travel. The initial trip should not be reimbursed but additional to pick up after passing should be... as it is the government that would require it.
Sounds good to me, so long as the buyer and seller don't have to pay extra for it. Like a government website, people can fill out free of charge that gives them a response in 5 seconds. Seems good to me, log in... put in buyers info. Gets a print out saying passed or send a email for evidence.
Should not be any longer than a minute or two to complete.
I have no issue with that I have waited a week before I got a gun, It’s a nice one.50 cal Eagle the bitch kicks like a mother fucker.
I have no issue with a federal background check, Now I don’t trust government I want them to know I’m packing so they don’t fuck with me. You gotta understand government was number one cause of death in the 20th century why the hell would I trust them now. I barely trust government. The way I view government is it’s like you dating a girl who’s already cheated on you five times and you’re still with her do you really expect her not to cheat on you at six no. I would break up with all governments unfortunately men aren’t angel so we need these stupid fucks around but we need to treat government like authoritarians would treat the people. The average citizen should have more rights than the people in government I honestly think that we should be planning bombs in every single politician Skal and the minute they lie even about their eyecolor their head explodes only affects them so that we know we’re getting the truth out of government. Unfortunately there would be a lot of dead politicians because politicians can’t do their jobs without line so they shouldn’t have their jobs they should be dead
In the US the government and thus police do know what you are buying via the existing mental health checks at point of sale. It is already illegal to buy or sell without government knowledge and permission. Responsible or at least self interested gun owners understand that it is in their best interest to get a gun registered to the actual owner in case the weapon is recovered at a crime scene. We already have the best humanly possible balance between fairness to lawful buyers and protection of the public interest. Are there cracks which a determined crazy person can get through? Obviously. That does not mean that the rights of the vast majority, especially the urban poor who have the greatest statistical need for firearms but also are the most likely to get caught by and drown in the safety net, get to be trampled because the few crazy people beat the system. If anything, the ease with which People with demonstratable mental health difficulties can beat the system should be evidence of the people currently in charge of it are unfit to administer it or any future systems yet to be devised.
They already have this in California - a 10 day waiting period. Do you know how many people have been stopped due to mental health issues? NONE. They don't even add that information to the background check system in most cases, even though they are supposed to.
But it wouldn't matter anyway, because they don't prosecute gun crimes against criminals here anyway - only middle class guys with no criminal record are prosecuted, so that they can legally take away their right to own a gun.
The Left has no interest in solving or preventing gun crimes - they only want to disarm the general population so that they can do whatever they want without fear of reprisals. They are perfectly happy to let Left-leaning rioters burn down cities and even try to barricade police in police stations and set them on fire in "mostly-peaceful protests" for a year straight with nearly no prosecutions.
This is why gun owners refuse these laws - we know what the Left is doing and why. You need only look at what they DO, and compare that to what they SAY, and the truth is obvious.
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how quickly you've forgotten how you anti-gun nuts were foaming at the mouth, calling anyone who supported Donald Trump "mentally ill". I assume you're also aware that a designation such as that would automatically disqualify any "Trump supporter" from being able to own guns, yes? I know because y'all tried that already.
Creaming for red flag laws so that you could report your conservative neighbors and beat off while you watch the ATF take their guns away for NOTHING other than being conservative and not a raving lunatic such as yourself.
Your anti-gun wet dream law, HR-8 would not have stopped any of these mass shootings: Columbine High School, Columbine, CO – April 20, 1999 Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA – April 16, 2007 Fort Hood, TX – November 5, 2009 Tuscon, AZ – January 8, 2011 Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT – December 14, 2012 Aurora, CO – July 20, 2012 Navy Yard, Washington, DC – September 16, 2013 Emanuel AME Church, Charleston, SC – June 17, 2015 San Bernardino, CA – December 2, 2015 Pulse Nightclub, Orlando, FL – June 12, 2016 Las Vegas, NV – October 1, 2017 First Baptist Church, Sutherland Springs, TX – November 5, 2017 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, FL – February 14, 2018
Nor would it have stopped the recent shooting in Texas. But it would have affected a shit ton of legal and mentally stable gun owners. Actually if you'd like to read the official Republican position on why they don't like HR-8, here it is. www.republicanwhip.gov/news/h-r-8-facts-and-failures/
We gun nuts wait and follow the laws as written. Legal purchases of weapons people wait as asked, the mentally disturbed sicko and a myriad of loose lugnut cannot wait. I am for the doubling the wait time and real background checks finger printing any doubt hold licensing till the question is answers even if it takes years People who cannot wait to be vetted should be on a special watch list and not given a gun permit. We also know that if a person wants a gun bad enough they will find a way to get one laws or no laws
@KrakenAttackin Then how we take care of the problem of wrong and sick people getting guns and killing innocent people. I would like to know how to stop it your way
@DARKCLOUD1945X. The answer is we need to take mental health issues for men seriously. Now we have basically two mental health spaces for men:. Prison or death.
Men who seek mental health help are ostracized and given a permanent record of their "failings". Men are already seen as violent and predatory, which inhibits men who are struggling from seeking needed help. We need more compassion for men, bottom line.
I'm anti gun but the logic is "give an inch they take a mile." Because they don't understand how government, policy, or compromises work on any level. The way American democracy should work is both sides have strong opinions and fight tooth and nail against each other untill we reach a sensible middle ground.
The problem is the Confederate south. They are pushing shit they can't back up and cry about the rules.
i would say someone who flips their shit cause they have to wait for a gun, should not be sold a gun to begin with, cause they demonstrated, that they do not have the mental maturity to operate a firearm. an exception would be that they live in a high crime area and litterally fear for their life not owning a gun... but i guess in that case, they could just go and buy a shotgun at the local walmart right?
If you ask d the founding fathers to put themselves in a registry just for owning what they thought was a basic part of their daily lives than they would have laughed you out of there.
We should be able to own weapons freely, don't let the government monopolize lethal force anymore than it already has.
You forget that the founding fathers wanted citizens to have arms equaling the military. The founding fathers would be in favor of citizens having nuclear weapons.. what? It seems insane right? Well to them, letting the government have a monopoly on that kind of force is inviting tyrants to play with the world.
"By the logic of the 18th century, any society with a professional army could never be truly free. The men in charge of that army could order it to attack the citizens themselves, who, unarmed and unorganized, would be unable to fight back. This was why a well-regulated militia was necessary to the security of a free state: To be secure, a society needed to be able to defend itself; to be free, it could not exist merely at the whim of a standing army and its generals.
The only way to be both free and secure was for citizens to be armed, organized and ready to defend their society. The choice was a stark one: a standing army or a free nation."
Because of potential abuses of either system by the government. Let's take the registry...
Let's say we have a huge registry of guns. One day the government somehow manages to ban all guns. Well, now they have this handy registry that tells us whose house to go to for each gun! This is similar to how gun registries have been used in other Western countries, so saying "Trust me, I promise we won't do that" is not good enough. We want to remove even the possibility of abuse.
(Slaps face) this is the apocalyptic shit im talking about. The “government” includes your representatives dummy. They wouldn't just decide outta the fckin blue to go house to house confiscating weapons.
Same as in other countries. But they figure they are representing the interests of the majority by taking rights away from the few. Stop denying reality. They already do this in the US. Look up Red Flag Laws. People have already died in the US by police going door to door confiscating guns. It happens in places like Maryland and New Jersey, and the media doesn't report on it much, so no one is kicked out of office.
Or maybe his failure guardians should have known not to buy him weapons for his 18th birthday when he was clearly mentally disturbed. Just look at his social media pictures and you can see something is wrong with him. He didn’t work for that money to buy the weapons. He didn’t even graduate school. It’s a failure at home.
All legal weapons by definition are off the black market, the moment you sell them on the black market it becomes an illegal weapon.
Also, why are they more expensive? Couldn't it be that if people are unarmed they become more useful? Could it be that the demand rises? Could it be that they are less traceable? Could it be that the dealing on it comes with risks and costs which the client who had 5K in ammo would be more than willing to pay for, since clearly it wasn't from his minimum wage job?
Why are illegal drugs usually more expensive, and why their criminalization does nothing to very little in their trade?
Not exponentially. I know, I lived before bolsonaro.
Kids, literally kids, would borrow guns for robberies from organized crime. It wasn't that expensive, and it was common place.
Now there's more and more guns everywhere in lawful hands, but crime still dipped like crazy, criminals didn't get more guns, they already had all the guns they needed.
Not long ago here, before bolsonaro, you could get an automatic AK for around $2K in the black market. The pistols in the black market were cheaper than acquiring one legally.
In the US, it's the reverse, and here we will likely see the same trend of illegal guns suddenly turning more expensive and more expensive than legal guns.
One big reason is that the demand for weapons for self protection is there always, so the volume given by the sheer amount of people who bought illegal guns for no other reason than protecting their property was through the roof, making apprehensions less effective. It's the direct effect of economies of scale.
If you have a market that's exclusively for murderers and robbers, it's worth it to flood the borders with illegal guns with low profit margins. Here, you could get a revolver for what you'd consider pocket change.
Not at fucking all. Cocaine has it's expenses due to other factors. Namely it takes more cocaine per unit use of cocaine than it takes per unit use of crack. That's because crack has a stronger quicker effect that lasts for a shorter amount of time.
Gosh, how many times do I need to teach you this lesson, old man?
Legal guns and illegal guns are different markets. If you make legal guns hard to get by lawful citizens, you just give the illegal gun market the benefit of economies of scale, what it means is that the price drops.
Do I have to school you on the economies of scale?
@OddBeMe something tells me (other than the obvious answer that you're a parrot who just regurgitates lefty talking points) that you're clueless about the gun purchasing process.
"In the United States, people convicted of a felony can lose certain civil rights, including the right to vote, the right to hold public office, the right to serve on a jury, and the right to bear arms. Laws prohibiting felons from possessing a firearm are intended to deter repeat offenses and to keep known criminals from committing additional crimes.
Federal law and Nevada law provide that a convicted felon is not permitted to possess any type of firearm."
How is it an teenager can buy what is essentially an assault weapon but not a beer? When even scientists agree that their brains aren't fully developed yet.
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I usually hear that it takes weeks.
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